Yes, yes: United States Marines need to train for riot control. These days, the Few, the Proud are “peacekeepers” keeping the peace in territories prone to civil unrest. Unrest that’s occasionally sparked by the presence of U.S. Marines. Where was I? Oh right. Obviously this riot control training has nothing to do with peacekeeping on U.S. soil. That’s the job of the National Guard. I mean, the police. Unless it’s a big thing or a federal emergency of some sort. Then it’s down to the DHS. FBI? ATF? I can’t keep track. Someone non-military – in command structure if not weapons and tactics. The incendiary part of this video comes at the tail end, as the vid fades out. Is that standard practice for riot control?
Really? Raging against people that volunteered to serve so you don’t have to? Wow.
And yes, that’s a normal response if people start shooting. Because honestly, that front row with the shields will have a lot of people falling down shot if people start shooting at them. It’s part of the continuum of force.
He’s not raging against the “people” who serve. He’s questioning the legitimacy of the Institution, for engaging in this kind of training.
Shoot at Marines? That might not be their smartest choice because nobody is better at shooting than Marines. They might want to consider another option.
i see the last part as if they get fired on it gets the guys with defense weapons outta the way and lethal force can then be used without harming own guys
I’ve seen better shield walls. They were at least tight, but not braced nearly well enough.
As a former Marine (I do not scribe to once a Marine always a Marine) I can say this exercise is disturbing. Embassies have a small force, usually less than 20 and will never go outside to enforce anything.
I find no reason to conduct this type training..
I received riot control training as part of a standard work up for a MEU. I was issued a moss 500 with a 14 inch barrel and trained for rubber slugs. Its pretty standard when embassies around the world are always going to hell and we even used riot control in Afghanistan to avoid using lethal force
My thoughts as well. Having been there as well in another capacity, for riot control the line of defense behind the shields is typically NOT lethal.
OoRAH! But when the situation goes south, a quick transition can be made from rubber bullets and riot control to real bullets and combat patrol.
Any word or update on this case?
Fascism is alive and well right here in America.
I volunteer to help them out, they just got to get me there!
Interesting that in a previous report, TTAG posters lambast police, and their Nazi tactics, Police kick in the door and shoot an old man in bed, while looking for drugs in one breath.. a mouse click away, the next story brings praise and well wishing to a deputy who gets shot.
I wonder if Deputy lundy has ever gone on a similar raid such as the one the LA county Sheriffs office executed, ever abused his police power. Ever lied to support his claim, ever shot an unarmed person, ever shot a dog? Dresses up in his paramilitary garb kicking in doors and shooting citizens first and asking questions later.
We put a name and face on the citizens that have been abused by police, yet we never bother putting a name to a face of the officers that use excessive force, … Im just wondering if anyone else sees the same double standard??
All shootings are tragic, But in the current Police States of America I cant help but p keep score… Citizens-1 Police- 1…
So you’re trying to say that TTAG has double standards because they are full of praise for the police? You’re new here, aren’t you?
Really? Does the USMC no longer have medium and heavy machine guns?
Not sure what the problem is. I had the same training when I was an Army MP. Not every uniformed employee or agent of the government is automatically the bad guy.
And the Military Police in Guantanamo had to put down several such demonstrations and riots during the Cuban refugee crisis in the early 90s.
We trained for riot control with fixed bayonets, Would we kill , You best believe it…. A real riot is bad news. been there ,done it……..
Killing American citizens. Semper effing Fi.
The riot training we recieved 40 years ago was much harsher than this. Pepper foggers, loaded batons, bean bag rounds out of a 40 mike mike and live ammo with bayonets.
I noted that the shotgun carriers had M16s slung. No doubt the shotguns were loaded with less lethal options.
We have enough real world problems without this site going all Alex Jones on us.
I think the main thing he is critical of is the stupid sh*t they do at the end.
I think he was implying they were about to unleash deadly force at the end.
robert, you are blowing this way out of proportion. Allot of what the US military is doing now is pretty close to policing (with the exception of outside the cities and towns of afghanistan). especially MPs and Marines, heck marines are used as embassy security. its pretty easy to come up with some sort of a scenario where the embassy may be the scene of a riot (current embassies in Egypt or the Ukraine) at times all it could take is some US citizen or military member doing something stupid (example: US personnel rapes someone in Korea or Japan and the locals get pissed and go to the base or embassy)
Take a chill pill they arent sending the Marines for your guns…. hell most Marines i know would be there helping u keep your guns.
The Marines I know would sooner piss on their mothers than turn on their friends and family. And the ones that would show up, to obey some kind of bullshit unlawful order? They’re going to have a lot of extra riot shields.
“Allot of what the US military is doing now is pretty close to policing”
Yes… that’s exactly the problem. The U.S. military has absolutely no business policing the world.
Outside of the residual war if Afghanistan that will come to an end this year the US has abandoned the policing role. As a result chaos is becoming the norm. If you don’t think that will have adverse effect on the United States then you are a fool. By virtue of our size the US has a huge footprint in the world. The only way to prevent foreign entanglements is the complete withdrawal of all US political, military and commercial relations with the world outside of North America. What you might see as the right to trade with other nations, their adversaries sees as supporting their enemies and they will act accordingly.
Question: What was the cause of the War of 1812 and our entry into the Frist World War?
So, when are we bringing our troops home from Germany, Japan, Korea, and Outer Bumfreakistan?
The War of 1812 was started in large part by our desire to take Canada, God knows why we would want it.
The entry into WW1 was due to Wilson’s Anglophilia.
The Phalanx formation (shield wall), in use since the 25th century BCE.
Given that our troops usually arrive immediately before or not long after a foreign government falls, it’s a good idea to have a few troops trained in riot control during the meantime.
I’m thinking of a sitatuon like post-Saddam Iraq where there wasn’t an LE presence after the dictator was removed. If we have to perform surgery on a regime like that in the years to come-and we likely will again someday- the military will have to play cop until an indigenous force can be trained up. Battle tactics for invading a country are far different from law enforcement.
Let’s not forget that the US Government helped Saddam-the-Dictator seize power in the first place.
And why would you not just have second rank shooters fire BETWEEN the shield men? Dropping the cover provided by the shields is stupid. And where are their fire hose men? Molotov cocktails tend to set people on fire.
When the LAPD walked away from the task of controlling the ’92 riots, among the Guard called in were Marines. My personal take is that the LAPD should have been docked the cost of the federal help, and the Koreans should have been reimbursed for their warning-shot ammo.
I’m more concerned about the armed civilian federal SWAT guys and their no-knocks than about riot control. Why a mass rampaging through a neighborhood shouldn’t be stopped in an orderly way is beyond my comprehension. Peaceful demonstrations rarely trigger call-outs of the National Guard. If you want to pick a fight with some aspect of anti-riot measures, pick on the provocateurs, federally trained and otherwise. That isn’t the military’s specialty. Review the Kent State records and the belief of many that the shooting was provoked by a man with a .45 and a gas mask essentially working as a confidential informant for the local PD.
You must understand Marines from boot Camp on are trained to kick butts, KILL everyone , no thinking about what the other side stands for or believes …BEING GONG HO means get them with pleasure …Been in a real riot. It gets wild fast and heads must be CRACKED and fast… as PATON said make the other guys DIE for his country.. This keeps your WIA and KIA down… and the who or where does not count….
Not a big deal, when stationed in the ROK(Republic of Korea) in the early ’80’s, I was part of a QRF/RRF(Quick Reactionary Force/Ready Reactionary Force) unit, and we practiced for civil disobedience all the time…granted, we were in a foreign country, but the premise is still the same…no biggie…
Cute visual pun about Michael Dunn.
eh, i put more people away with 45 and 10mm. Infact, im gonna get me another one if i ever get out of prison.
I’ve read a couple of posts & 1 perspective I would like to throw out there is this. When the SHTF many on these Marines, Army, National Guard & even cops will ALL defect to our side. Why? because when the sh%t will be hyper-inflation & the dollar in the pocket of an LEO, will become just as worthless as a dollar in anyone or any citizen’s pocket.
So all the riot gear, all the militarization of police, all the scenarios of the LEO putting their boots on our necks (though its plausible) may not become real because what reward will the LEO’s have besides a paycheck. Milk will cost them $200 a gallon just as it will non-leo.
My 2 cents.
This is hands down the best comments of the year so far of an article Ive seen!
Is there any way at all to even wield this ridiculous idea without actually pointing your gun somewhere else than at your assailant? I killed the zombie with the gatchet while as the same time ND’d the life out of the guy on my left. Let’s hope he was a Zombie too, or at least a useless member of my zombie apocalypse faction.
And in the name of full disclosure, yea, I had riot control training in Army. We were detailed to Ft Smith to guard Cuban “refugees” from the Marialis Boat Lift and got 5 days training for it, handling rioters, taking people into custody using non-lethal methods, segregating violent from non-violent, all the fun sh*t. Too bad we did not, for the most part, speak their language. Would have made things a bit easier.
To me violence is a universal language: the smart ones “should” learn quickly and back off if they are unwilling to deal with it; the dumb ones…well the dumb ones will learn the hard way 🙂
The Cuban “refugees” we dealt with fell into the dumb ones category. Castro emptied his prisons with the “humanitarian” release to America. Then we had to deal with it, and still are.
I lost interest a few paragraphs in.
TL;DR.
The Marine’s have a very valid reason for practicing riot control, as other posters have stated here.
If they start doing this on US Soil, they need to know which side they have chosen to stand with.
I enjoyed it but I live in MN.
Dear Josh, that certainly doesn’t jive with my opinion. The facts define whether it was a righteous shoot.
However, you can be sure that my opinion, and likely the opinion of the pro-gun community, is that you’re a douche. Please FOAD
I like hunting story’s that have the taste of adventure and danger flavoring them. This was a good one.
…his faithful hunting companion, a Christian pulp savage who he had trusted with his life on numerous occasions.
On the initial skim, I managed to read ‘life’ as ‘wife’.
I usually chime in on the comments of soldiers, marines, etc, turning on their own countrymen and blindly following orders… most of the other officers, NCOs, and soldiers would never do such a thing, officers and NCOs especially, my rational being that you have a little money and some marketable skills or family base to turn to when you say “no thanks” and resign. Anyone who is going to go hungry or be out of a job would be more likely to follow orders and quell and insurrection or rebellion of some kind. In short, most guys I serve with are constitutional purists and would not break their oath to support it.
That being said, I served with one guy who supported weapons registration and assured me “no one is going to come for your guns, dude, its just better if we know where it all is”… I mean, WTF? I asked “to what end do you need to know and information is generally gathered to act upon, why else would you need to know? to feel good?” He had no response…. he was from CT by the way, go figure…
Any reason to not turn the lights on in your house if you heard a noise?
Zimmerman is a permanent resident inside anti-gunners heads. For our side, a guy was getting beat on, defended himself, the jury saw that, and said so. Nothing to see here, move along. I wouldn’t ever give the guy another thought if they didn’t keep bringing him up all the time.
Same applies to Bush and Palin. If leftards would simply stop talking about them NOBODY would be talking about them. They just can’t help it, they just can’t shut their f**king mouths and move on.
Pretty funny spot that gets the point across – don’t be a moron when it comes to firearms safety.
It’s a better effort, that’s for sure. If you want to know what they’re really about, just take a look at their “code”:
“I will keep all my guns unloaded, locked, and properly stored when not in use” – No thanks.
“I believe that while anyone can own a gun, “real” gun owners use their heads” – What does that even mean? Nice divide and conquer attempt.
“I will be answerable for every gun I own at all times” Again, what does this even mean?
The only code I need to know is the 4 rules. That code has everything anyone needs to know about firearms. I wouldn’t be surprised if this outfit was also funded by MAIG somehow.
Waste of time and money. Too much time and effort and money being used to address an issue that statistically is very small – gun accidents. Still acts as vilification of gun owners. Does nothing to “further” a discussion about guns.
Enjoyable story.
Robert, do you honestly believe this training has no place in the mission of the United States Marine Corps? Seriously if this is just a little meat for the comment section that’s fine but I need an honest answer here.
I don’t understand the target audience of this. Are they implying that careless gun owners are leaving guns around and that causes “gun violence”? Or are they trying to target the small number of accidents involving guns? The NRA, Hunter’s Safety, and many other gun training programs all teach safe gun handling. How is this a different viewpoint? Maybe they should focus on the biggest issues related to “gun violence” like gangs and drugs?
Is their next video going to talk about the right to free speech and not the right to be a dumbass?
Save yourself a couple bucks and get one of these….
https://www.nebotools.com/prod_details.php?id=95&cid=29
They may not be top of the line but some of us can’t afford or just plain don’t need a more expensive Surefire. I’ve used one for about a year now on my trail guns(walther p-22 target / Ruger 10-22) and had no problems with them. I also have one on my bedside CZ-40P.
They’re much brighter and have a 2-way switch for “on” or “strobe”.
Anti gun. Just like Maig.
JWM,
Im of the opinion that at this stage of the game, we are beyond the point of ” not all cops are bad”… Iv seen bad guys usher away the women and children to protect them from a fire fight.. But From a good guy perspective, I cannot give concessions to police, because police do not give me concessions..
According to Police We are all bad guys , some bad guys are a little nicer and some are a little “bader” But we are all subject to the same treatment and contempt..
Sorry to hear you get the name calling..
I think they did the best that they could do considering the circumstances.
Instapundit is near the top of my must-read list (usually checked twice per day).
He’s been a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment for as long as I’ve been reading his stuff.
Yes good thing accidental deaths from firearms are so statistically rare we should be worrying about pools more.
Gee whiz. Boy, are they ever “evolved”.
A friend, now deceased, used to say about guns: “Can’t we all just evolve”?
“We already did,” I would counter. Yeah, I know. Not necessarly so…
His father, I gathered, has shot himself. SO? Lacking a gun, he would have used a tailpipe.
Another one: “Can’t we all just get along”? “Apparently not,” I would say. “That’s why we need guns.”
Even better than the last one. The NRA should buy ad time and run this on the networks.
If more good people tooled up in bad neighborhoods, there would be fewer bad neighborhoods. The left just can’t have that. Small businesses could thrive in places where it’s hanging on by a thread, and the left just can’t have that. And more black people would be empowered, and the left absolutely can’t have that.
Whoever’s funding Evolve is playing a long game.
This isn’t about advocating any specific policy measure — they’re too sophisticated for that. It’s about poisoning the well against gun owners and against the second amendment.
If the US Supreme Court favors the recent rulings in the 9th and 7th Circuits (holding that there’s an individual right to bear arms outside of the home,) then constitutionally they won’t be able to attack that core right. (There may still be arguments over banning modern tactical rifles and standard capacity magazines, and while that’s still a fight we must win, that will be an argument over what *kinds* of guns you’ll be able to keep and bear, not over the legitimacy over keeping and bearing arms at all.)
No, once the current battles are resolved one way or another in the Courts, the next fight will be for all the marbles. It will be about amending the Constitution. The only way to win that one is to have the people on your side. You don’t win that kind of fight with a single campaign.
So: I suggest that Evolve’s role is to help with a media campaign to undermine how gun owners are viewed in this country.
I don’t drink soda anyway.
Water is healthier and cheaper.
Remember, no matter how much you shoot or spend on guns, you can’t shoot yourself back to health.
Looks like the reference to Pepsi has already been deleted. The video is posted by the Aspen Institute and the only relationship I could find between them and Pepsi is that a couple of their fellows and advisory board members are either current or former high-level employees of Pepsi Co. That said, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if a large international conglomerate like Pepsi Co supported further firearm restrictions.
Still there on the page. Added a screen cap of the blurb and a link to the page.
Nope, still in the text.
Are they actually married? If so, what’s the deal with continuing to use her maiden name?
I don’t drink Pepsi products anyway.
I’m very excited about this ruling. Most cops in CA are pro-gun, believe it or not.
Although we have a at least one guy who is rabidly anti-gun in out office. I hope to see jwm, Dr Vino, Longbeach, Kimber .45, AlphaGeek, and a host of others with CCW permits.
Unfortunately, it’s still going to take time, but this ruling is still a problem for gun control fanatics.
I almost wish Obama would just say “If you like your gun control, you can keep your gun control.”
You can substitute just about any word for gun and have the same result. Try car, airplane, cellphone, ipad, ect. No, the 2nd Amendment protects us from a government that exceeds it powers as laid out under the Constitution. Simple, not hunting, not target shooting, not even self protection. Read the Dec of Independence to understand what was undertaken.
Dear Lord, Please let this not be true, as I cannot give up my Mountain Dew.
Amen
Ladies, we seem to have a large ant infestation. We have loaded you revolvers with #12 shot shells
As Dr. Evil learned to his chagrin, the Fembot Mk I was not without its flaws.
“…and if the attacker is still moving, put another .38 in him for good measure.”
OR,
“Which one do you want to keep?”
Remember girls, if you kill the crotch, the rest will follow.
Bought it based on this blog post. Read the whole book in one sitting on a 3-hour flight.
How do you shoot like a SEAL? Well… it turns out it’s the same way anyone else (who adheres to the basic principles of marksmanship) shoots. The book is a decent primer that covers the commandments of competent shooters. I enjoyed reading it, despite numerous typos / misspellings. There was really nothing new or earth-shattering.
Hunting the dreaded ad hominem is a dirty business!
Great Idea, wrong approach!
Delightful photos all!
If you really aren’t against freedom of speech, then practice what you preach and don’t hide behind technicalities like “The 1st Amendament is just about the govt not being allowed to censor speech”.
Secondly, it’s vastly more important WHAT it is being said than HOW it is being said. OK, so somebody’s feelings get hurt on the Internet. News at 11! People should learn how to deal with opposing views, even when they’re expressed in colorful language. If they don’t, then they’re not really equipped to handle freedom of speech, and if they’re not equipped to handle freedom of speech, then all is already lost.
Le sigh.
RF, turn down the paranoia knob, My friend. After reading this I called up a buddy of mine who IS a Marine security guard. He reaffirms just about everything Skylar and the other Marines here have stated. Riot control has been around for awhile.
Some of you guys make me wonder if ANYTHING others do isn’t an attack on the 2a or some government conspiracy or training to herd us to the FEMA camps. We have this wonderful thing called OUTSIDE. Also, to sit there and act like you know what military men will do or think, without ever being in The military yourself is pretty damn ignorant. Lol I’m amazed at some of you guys. And you wonder why the left thinks we’re all batshit crazy?
I can dig it. Policy acknowledged.
I have to admit, I flamed out pretty good on that post where the cop shot that dog in cold blood. That was the only time I became uncivil (and used expletives) on this blog. My apologies. This is a pretty open blog that allows for good commentary from all points of view (and I’ve never had a comment deleted that I know of), so I’m not crying ‘censorship’. It’s your show. You make the rules. Blog commentaries/conversations can degrade pretty quickly if left completely unchecked. This group tends to be pretty civil (and extremely knowledgeable) most of the time, so I don’t see any ‘sea change’ with this anyway.
I don’t necessarily agree with the part about Grabbers ‘picking’ comments to use against us though. All they do is lie and fabricate anyway, whether they make their own false Facebook posting and then do a story on it, or reference other lies, or completely fabricate from thin air, they are propaganda spewers regardless of what we post. But again, I’m not running a blog and have the viz that you guys do… so I’ll respect your call on that.
I remember before I was a Manager, it was so easy to cry and complain about how everything should be, and how I could have made every decision better than my Manager. Then I became one. And realized pretty quickly that it was only because I had no responsibility for anyone other than myself – and not the visibility and information available at that level, that I could be so free to criticize and think I could do everything better. I tend to reference that life lesson before I start ‘talking out of school’.
Glad I caught this post, btw. I was a little tied up on Valentines day at 7:00 pm
Only 1200…??? They’re way under supplied…most, if not all, of US, have more than 1200 rounds per gun, and multiple guns at that…if there going to “bring it” they’d better pool their ammunition…
I like the iPhone comparison, as it is my view that the logical progression would eventually be firearms that can be GPS located and turned OFF remotely. NO THANKS.
There is also this thread. While it looks pretty detailed there isn’t much on it after the repairs were made, other than saying it was fixed a shot well. I was going to ask for the “after” photos but it looks like he’s gone through enough.
http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/223193-tacticalrifles-net.html
I wonder where they came up with 98 rounds per 5 years?? Seems pretty arbitrary, but I guess that’s par for the course with a lot of firearms legislation.
OOO – sorta like a game of 2A Where’s Waldo?. Like.