“[Doctors] should not treat firearms and firearms ownership as a direct causative factor of injury or violence. And doctors should definitely not propagandize or badger their patients over their gun ownership. Unfortunately, and predictably, Dr. Wintemute pivots off (the Las Vegas) tragedy to advance his supply-side gun control agenda. This is not only not constructive but it promotes physicians committing boundary violations as a matter of course.” – Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership’s Dr. Arthur Przebinda in ACP to Docs: It’s Time to Talk About Guns [via medpagetoday.com]
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Good new sheeple, rumor has it he is going to be on the Ellen Degenerate show this afternoon, he will make millions and run back to wet back land.
My Doctor has never mentioned guns at all, I wish she would just so I could come back with some of the replies I have seen in the comments of prior TTAG articles on this subject. 🙂
I’ve noticed it’s a question now on the typical pre-visit sheet. Two of them. Something like “are there any firearms in the house?” followed by “are they secured from unauthorized access?” Answered with complete honesty of course. /sarc
The doctor himself has never said anything about guns to me.
Quite honestly I will not see a doctor at all anymore unless I’m bleeding uncontrollably or I’m fairly certain I’m going to die if I don’t get prompt medical attention. Doctor-patient confidentiality is pretty much non-existent anymore and since I have no control over what gets filed in those electronic medical records, I don’t want to lie to a doctor so I just want as little as possible in it.
Dr. : “Do you own guns?”
You: “I don’t think that’s any of your business. Why are you asking?”
Proceed or not based on their answer to that question.
Simple really.
This is an interesting topic. I remember a few years ago the NRA was trying to make it illegal for physicians in Florida to inquire as to whether there were guns in the homes of their patients. I strongly disagree with this policy. At the end of the day you either believe in freedom or you don’t. If a doctor wants to ask, that’s his right. Hell, if he wants to ask you to find a new doctor because he doesn’t like guns that’s also his right. His business, his rules. State and government hospitals can do whatever they want, but government should stay the hell out of private business wherever possible.
I think family docs were asking people with kids in the house if they have guns and if they are locked up. The state anti-gunners were trying to either make this policy or pressuring the state boards to make it policy for docs to ask. I get why you wouldn’t want that, but a doc should be free to ask. You can also decline to answer, lie or find a new physician.
Rights are universal. They don’t exist at the intersections of freedoms…if somebody’s right infringes on somebody else’s right then one of them isn’t a right.
DRGO was involved in the Wollschlaeger case in Florida. The problem is multifold: patients had been badgered and even fired over the issue of gun ownership.
It is wrong to assume the physician has individual rights in this setting. We argued that the Gentile balancing test says that a doctor’s professional speech does not trump or rise to an equal status over the patient’s second amendment rights. The fundamental reason for this is that a number of medical associations have an openly stated agenda of reducing gun ownership. They were (and are) pushing to exploit the clinical setting to advance an anti-2A agenda.
We’ve written about this issue for some time. You can search out site and TTAG for “Wollschlaeger” to learn more.
Arthur Z Przebinda, M.D.
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DRGO
Bersa Thunder 380 in a pocket holster. It’s little heavy, and some would say outdated, but Senor Bersa is a very old and reliable amigo indeed.
So, we’re supposed to take Dana’s verbal ‘fist of truth’ as a physical threat, but Gabby’s literal upraised fist is the fist of compassion and friendliness?
Considering medical care is the 3rd leading cause of death in the US each year, would the good Dr. consider that as ‘physicians committing boundary violations as a matter of course’?
Doctor: “Do you own any firearms?”
Me: “Do you own any battle dongers?”
Doctor: “Wha-what?”
Me: “Exactly” *Nod creepily*
Guaranteed to never ask about your guns again.
Hmmm…I was asked on a form a few years ago. I answered NO. My doctor who was treating me for a non-mental problem also thought it was silly but didn’t push it. He also served in Iraq and sometimes carried a gun there. Are these questions invasive and a form of registration?!? He!! YES😡
I’m sure Mr. Campos told Ellen exactly what the PR flacks and company lawyers told him to say.
“In reality, the bump stock is the new, shiny object politicians are using to deceive voters into believing they are taking action against gun violence,”
Michael Williams telling the truth, and standing by it?
Maybe Mr LaPierre should try that tactic.
Hmmm…appearing with anti-2A Ellen. And anti-Trump and bigazz Hildebeast supporter. This BS narrative gets convoluted and effed up everyday. Anyone know if old pervert Harvey hit on Ellen’s comely “WIFE”?!?😫
Just more lies.
Campos was in the hallway, and Paddock was shooting down the hallway… from behind a closed door?
This engineer heard the sound of gunfire… and thought it was a jackhammer?
Yeah. Right.
“… I saw Jesus, and I started to hear shooting…”
Well, they say he’s coming back angry.
Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.
I’ve converted 8 people to our side with that argument. It’s great.
That “less than 10% of attempted suicides fail” number does not track with statistics released from ERs around the country, who report, on average, that 17% of self inflicted GSW’s to the head survive.
I have had 3 patients attempt to commit suicide with a firearm. One shot himself in the temple with a 9mm pistol, in his driveway in his locked vehicle. He survived for about 2 hours, and it was 40 minutes before any medical care got to him. He died on the operating table. If we had gotten to him sooner, he would have lived. We got called when his daughter came out to go to school and saw the blood on the window. Shitty way to go, shitty thing to do.
Another was a 12g under the chin. He survived long enough to die of the cancer he was attempting to escape. He never left the hospital, and died a longer, more miserable death.
Another was a .243Win rifle to the temple. He survived losing an eye, and most of his nose and jaw. He died the day he was released from the hospital, as he intentionally walked out of the hospital and directly into traffic.
Come on, Jon, what’s the difference? 10%, 17%, who cares about a discrepancy of 60% or so when you’ve got a dishonest agenda to push?
AR15 handguard compatibility is a big deal. I just finished a 308 build and handguards are a real PIA.
ok who dropped their P226 down a flight of stairs?
How does walking down a hallway and getting shot make you a hero?
Okay, I’ll go along with guns on airplanes as long as really, really fat people are not allowed to sit next to me.
I think that’s fair.
I would LOVE to fly with my sidearm! Everyone else is welcome to as well. As for doofuses (doofi?) having AD’s in the heads, just bulletproof those areas, walls, ceilings and floors.
Columbia University (typical), “Professor” (LOL), (((Jeffrey Sachs))), we should thank him for perpetuating a “stereotype”, he’s just another Leftist “sack of $h!t” with a degree.
What the hell is wrong with the Jewish community especially here in the USA (and “the West” in general) that so many members who achieve positions of influence and/or power repudiate the principles and call for the abolishment of rights that allow them to exist, the same principles that would have permitted them to fight back across Europe and possibly have saved their ancestors from the Nazis? Is it something in their diet that creates these diabolical Fabian Socialists/Cultural Marxists and Totalitarians?
Not to sound like a police basher, but why is it always police tied to these types of stories?