Holy Roman Empire Batman! Guns = Decadence?


Utah Architect and dog lover Ron Molen has his proverbial knickers in a twist about gun violence. Mr M.’s written a letter to sltrib.com—which somehow fails to mention that the “homicide” stats cited include suicides. He also throws the word “terrorist” around like a FBI Budget Director lobbying for another suck on the taxpayer tit. I republish the letter here because it’s important to know that gun grabbers are alive and well, even in the heart of gun country.

Recent mass shootings demonstrate a frightening level of gun violence in America, yet hardly mentioned were the more than 32 gun homicides that occur every day.

Billions are spent on anti-terrorist airport security when homegrown terrorists account for a much higher death toll than 9/11 (30,000 gun deaths annually). China is a much safer place to raise children.

The National Rifle Association insists politicians should not overreact, meaning Democrats, since Republicans are already its puppets . . .

Government’s most important function is to provide security for its citizens, and America sets the worst possible example, thanks to a morally blind NRA and GOP. A nation that allows an armed cabal to make public safety policy would have to be labeled a failed state.

In Utah, even the dominant faith indulges a rabid gun culture.

Why respect a nation that fails to provide security for its citizens, or a religion that abhors smoking yet tolerates gun addiction?

If the United States is in decline, as the Roman Empire was, then institutions failing their responsibility must be held accountable for its decadence. Clearly, a morally compromised NRA member like Mitt Romney should never become president.

Ron Molen

Salt Lake City


  1. avatar Tim says:

    Wow Ron, you used a lot of really big words. Nice job.

  2. avatar theBush says:

    “China is a much safer place to raise children”
    (As long as they are male)

    1. avatar Derek says:

      And work the mines. And never question authority. And don’t mind the whole, ya know, being a slave thing.

      1. avatar Wade says:

        And getting into the occasional knife fight, because knives are way safer than guns.

        1. avatar Will says:

          AND were authorized by the State to even be conceived and born…

    2. avatar Dyspeptic Gunsmith says:

      And as long as we’re not talking about the years of The Great Leap Forward… where people facing famine swapped children.

      1. avatar jwm says:

        and let’s not forget tianemin square. or was i just imagining armor crushing chinese “children” because they paraded a statue of liberty model around.

    3. avatar Andy T says:

      And as long as you don’t have more than 2…

    4. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Wow … so very true!!!!!!

    5. avatar Silver says:

      In order for gun-grabbers to maintain their ideology, they must inherently hate the idea of personal liberty and responsibility, since they advocate nanny state restriction and utter control over others’ lives. People like this scumbag would probably love China, so long as they were a member of the Party doing the oppressing.

  3. avatar DerryM says:

    Government’s most important function is to provide security for its citizens, and America sets the worst possible example

    May have graduated from Architect School, but failed Government and Constitution Classes….

    1. avatar Levi B says:

      That’s what I was thinking. Where in any of the wonderful documents produced by the greatest thinkers of the late 18th century did they say the government was to provide safety to citizens?

    2. avatar Sanchanim says:

      This is generally considered a Liberal or Democratic core value.
      Not saying good or bad, but it is a modern value that the government should care for it’s people. The way I have seen it written it is care, not protect or provide protection. Many see this as essentially the socialistic values inherent in the modern democratic party.
      So Ron couldn’t get the idea right with out making a serious stretch.
      What he refuses to see is the fact that violent crime is at an all time low. this is all happening as places like Utah have turned pro gun. Well imagine that…
      Blue dog dems are an endangered species. Many who are middle leaning Democrats are having issues with the current administrations track on things. They continue to vote in line, but are quietly complaining on the side.
      What he doesn’t realize is that we as a community need to work together to ensure our safety. This is for our kids, our elders, and ourselves. If he wants to hand his life and well being over to the all mighty government, that is his choice, but he does not need to make that choice for others.

  4. avatar PANTERA VAZQUEZ says:

    Why respect a nation that fails to provide security for its citizens, or a religion that abhors smoking yet tolerates gun addiction?



    1. avatar Pascal says:

      Please, stop using caps! It does not help anyone and makes people not want to read what you have said

    2. avatar Accur81 says:

      Just capitalize the first letter of each sentence and proper nouns, please.

      1. avatar Mark N. says:

        Are you saying that Mormons are hypocrits because they believe that smoking cigarettes is evil but smoking guns are good?

    3. avatar Brandon says:

      This has nothing to do with what the Later-day Saint religion embraces. Even a cursory study of the Bible and Book of Mormon shows that God has always ordained the use of force in the defense of one’s nation, family, and person.

  5. avatar I_Like_Pie says:

    The China statement is a huge blow to the credibility of this article.

  6. avatar Andrew Snyder says:

    He also forgets to mention that the majority of gun homicides come from gun free metropolises like Chicago. Clearly hefty gun control has done wonders for chicagos murder rate. Or not.

    1. avatar Billy Wardlaw says:

      …and that the majority are drug related gang vs. gang violence.

  7. avatar Derek says:

    “Government’s most important function is to provide security for its citizens…”

    Big difference between keeping the Russians and Chinese from invading and being every ones nanny.

  8. avatar Bill F says:

    “Why respect a nation that fails to provide security for its citizens, or a religion that abhors smoking yet tolerates gun addiction?”

    The solution is obvious, Molen: Pack your stuff and move to China. You’d be so much happier there. And among like-minded people.

  9. avatar Andy T says:

    Government’s most important function is protecting the inalienable rights of its citizens.

  10. avatar Oddux says:

    Thankfully almost no one in this state would agree with this guy. He can keep ranting and whining. Utah will stay gun friendly and keeps getting more so all the time.

  11. avatar speedracer5050 says:

    I would imagine he could find a nice quiet no gun place to live somewhere north of Siberia where no one would bother him at all!!!
    Hope he has a nice trip!!!
    Sorry mo was supposed to be no!!

    1. avatar jwm says:

      yes, move north of the arctic circle without a gun. you can reason with the polar bears. use your big words to defend against them. when that doesn’t work, call the chinese for help.

  12. “China is a much safer place to raise children.” Couldnt quiet read past that line, my head just exploded. Can we start a fund to send him there forever ever ?

  13. avatar Gw says:

    “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a
    permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until
    the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from
    the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for
    the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,
    with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose
    fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.”
    “The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning
    of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these
    nations always progressed through the following sequence:
    1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
    2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
    3. From courage to liberty;
    4. From liberty to abundance;
    5. From abundance to complacency;
    6. From complacency to apathy;
    7. From apathy to dependence;
    8. From dependence back into bondage ”

    Lord Woodhouselee

  14. avatar Ralph says:

    I thought that people were supposed to grow wiser with age, but maybe not. I think that our boy Ron can look forward to assisted living in the near future, and nobody will come to visit.

  15. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    “A nation that allows an armed cabal to make public safety policy would have to be labeled a failed state.”

    I agree 1000% with his conclusion. What he fails to grasp is that our government is that “armed cabal [which] make[s] public safety policy”.

  16. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    And then we have this gem, “Government’s most important function is to provide security for its citizens …”

    Wrong. Government’s most important function is to secure liberty for its citizens. Securing liberty is NOT providing individual security to citizens; that is up to the individual.

  17. avatar Milsurp Collector says:

    Oh yeah sure China’s such a safe country. You gotta love it when you’re living in a place where this happens on a regular basis (NSFW).


    their wretched political uterus gave birth to North Korea as well, which as we all know is one giant human rights violation of a country.

  18. avatar Silver says:

    This person is an idiot, to be sure, but I don’t think he’s simply ignorant of the true oppressive nature of China. I think he loves it. Remember, morally bankrupt people are not adverse to oppression, only oppression of themselves. People like him would gladly see people imprisoned, executed, controlled, and enslaved so long as it didn’t touch upon his life and his values. If it were up to people like him, anyone he disagrees with would be arrested and executed. Such is the way of most every gun-grabber and hard-line leftist.

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