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Americans use guns to protect their lives and families at home every day. Plenty more use guns to defend innocent life in the workplace as well. Facing multiple intruders, a Galesburg, Illinios gun shop owner fired shots to protect himself during a forced entry last night.

Illinois gun shops have faced a persistent problem with gun thieves forcing entry, sometimes using stolen automobiles. They smash their way in, grab guns and then disappear into the night. This time, when it happened at Galesburg Guns, Gear and Ammo in Carl Sandburg’s hometown, the store owner was present.

At least one of the group of intruders received some ballistic dissuasion when they entered the store. Thanks to the shop’s camera system, store management and cops have nice quality video of the incident, along with an image of the license plate of the getaway ride.

The car’s driver dropped his bleeding buddy at the local hospital’s ER entrance before speeding back to Peoria. The guy they’d left at the hospital is now in the morgue.

Meanwhile, cops found the driver/car owner not long after. It wasn’t exactly tough detective work since the (alleged) perp used his own car. Perhaps he was unaware that the Illinois Gun Dealer Licensing Act now requires gun shops to keep their parking lots under video surveillance along with the interior of the stores.

 

Jakobe Brown courtesy Galesburg, IL PD 

Jakobe D. Brown, 18, now faces felony murder charges for the death of his un-named 17-year-old co-conspirator. There were others involved and cops no doubt would like to chat with them as well.

The Peoria Journal-Star has the story.

A 17-year-old of Galesburg died Wednesday following a gunshot wound, according to Galesburg police.

A Peoria man, 18, is now in custody, arrested on burglary and felony murder charges connected to the case, though he was not arrested as the triggerman.

Police responded to Galesburg Guns and Ammo on South Henderson Street Wednesday in reference to a disturbance there involving gunshots. When officers arrived, they determined that several suspects had broken into the business.

According to police, the owner of the business was inside it during the break in, and a preliminary investigation indicated that the business’ owner fired four to five shots at the suspects after they entered the gun shop.

Police say that shortly after that a vehicle pulled up to the emergency room of Cottage Hospital. A 17-year-old male was dropped off at the front door with a gunshot wound, and the others in the vehicle immediately drove away. Hospital staff provided medical aid to the teen, who later died from his injuries.

Hopefully news of this failed attempt at a smash and grab gun shop heist will help deter other underachievers from a similar fate. At the same time, it may also nudge some gun shop owners into bringing a cot to work for an occasional overnight stay.

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183 COMMENTS

  1. Do we dare go back to talking about why gun store owners do not lock up their inventory after close of the business day? If the guns are not on shelves, seems less likely people would drive vehicles through the doors/windows to get at the guns.

    • Unless you’re installing a bank vault to keep them in, they’re no safer locked in a safe than being locked in a secure building.

      • The point is they are safer in an locked metal box than on the shelf or in the glass cases. A lot harder to smash and grab.

        If you don’t agree explain why.

        • Forklifts are pretty sweet for lifting safes, all the guns are in a neat little box too. Fork lift it right into the back of an attenuated moving truck, no GPS, no cellular signals, just a box full of guns.

          If you want a legitimate BANK vault, the door alone is many tons and effectively impossible to install into an already built building without being cost prohibitive, requiring construction permits, etc. A vault on it’s own is cost prohibitive.

          This is also the United States of America and the law respecting should not be financially punished due to the lawless.

        • Still better to box them than leave on display. Forklifts aren’t really practical for 30 second smash and grab.

          I would have two safes full of bricks and scrap metal as decoys just for shots and goggles.

        • GS650G,

          I would have two safes full of bricks and scrap metal as decoys just for shots and goggles.

          Thank you for the hearty belly laugh! I needed that after recent political events!

        • GS650G says:
          I would have two safes full of bricks and scrap metal as decoys just for shots and goggles.

          You seem to presume unlimited space, and unlimited funds, with which to install your wishlist. Sure, if you own 5 acres, and you’re a multimillionaire, you can probably do this. On the other hand, if you’re opening a gunshop in an existing building that occupies a downtown lot, or even a double lot, you’ll learn quickly that things don’t all go your way.

          Besides which, you’re looking a huge labor costs, setting up your store every day for business, then carting all that expensive inventory back into you bank vault at the end of business.

          • “You seem to presume unlimited space, and unlimited funds, with which to install your wishlist.”

            Think you missed the joke.

        • Because of the post later of the reasoning that people “don’t grab women off the street and use them in a robbery” (you will have to read others posts below to see it) I send you these answers: 1 – “I” should not have to spend “excessive” revenue to have “unreasonable” security measures to entice YOU to follow the law! And 2. Why don’t we “chain” vehicles when not being used, to “slow” their ability to be acquired and used for crime!? See the true issue now?

          • “See the true issue now?”

            Nope.
            1) Not talking about individual storage (a whole ‘nuther discussion).
            2) Do gun store owners not have a significant responsibility to prevent theft of firearms, the purpose of the theft to be proliferating crime with firearms?
            3) Vehicles are not tied down because vehicle homicides are not really a thing.
            4) Arguing that gun store owners shouldn’t have to spend extraordinary amounts to make me follow the law begs the question: “How much is a reasonable expense?”

            Note: I do not have a per-conceived notion of how much theft prevention security a gun store owner owes the public, or the insurance company, or whomever. Simply asked a question to elicit information and observation. Cheers.

        • There is literally no way to lock up a gun that can’t be defeated with just a little time and the proper tools. Even the most expensive gun safe can be opened in seconds with one of those gas powered circular saws. Here’s a video of doing it just with an electric circular saw.

          At the end of the day gun safes are just security theater.

        • Because my gun store is in a strip mall and I can either have space for product to sell or I can have a safe in the back room to keep them in, but not both. I’ve got bars on the windows and reinforced doors and locking display cases (with reinforced-but-still glass). Now I’ve got a dozen cameras and every other thing mandated that I have. If the government said I had to move all the product back and forth every day to a secure location, then I’d be taking the guns out of the secured store, into a van or truck, and driving them around to unload them somewhere else. That seem like a safer option? Seems like a recipe me for my employees getting ambushed.

          Easier to close up shop and get a job managing a McDonalds, and a lot less hassle from people telling me how to do my business. You want it your way, go to BK.

          • “If the government said I had to move all the product back and forth every day…”

            Whoa, ho there. No government involvement. None. Not. Nada. If government gets more involved, no one would be able to sell anything because there would be unending shortages.

      • “Unless you’re installing a bank vault to keep them in, they’re no safer locked in a safe than being locked in a secure building.”

        Thinking glass doors and storefronts with bent steel bars do not qualify as “secure”. Also thinking it tough to haul large safes out the access doors in “the back room.” Not remembering too many jewelry stores leaving the goodies on display when the shop closes.

      • My safe weighs just under 900 lbs empty. It’s bolted to the floor and wall. Not all safes are built like storage lockers (yes, you, Stack-On.) Make the investment.

        • Your safe is for people who can afford one. My Stack On can be bolted to a floor or a wall. My choice.
          Having civil rights should never cost, $$$, a citizen anything. The 2A is not for just rich people.

        • My Stack On is quite effective at keeping the firearms away from the children. Why, it’s almost like it does the exact job I intended it to do!

          • “There are plenty of videos of trucks ripping a safe right out buildings.”

            Not sure those count as smash and grab. More like somebody knew something, and planned the heist?

          • @Larry

            I’ve offered the vacant space in my safe to my favorite LGS…for some odd legal reasons they haven’t taken me up on the offer…I even offered to only store their “used” or “trade in” firearms (with the idea that I could periodically function test them for safety).

        • Jim Shockey of the Outdoor Network had his gun safe take out of his home. The empty safe was found three weeks latter. He is still hoping the guns that were inside will be found.
          Your guns are only safe with a 24/7 armed guard around them. So do what you can afford to do. To keep your property secured.

      • Locked in a vault?

        My grandfather was a partner in a bank in our village back around 1930.

        The bank, a very small village financial institution, had cash on hand. The partners prudently maintained a vault in their bank to make a reasonable effort to protect the depositors’ money from burglary. OK, it wasn’t the best vault money could buy; not the great quality vault that a big-city bank could afford. It was just a decent vault. Something a gun shop might consider stretching to buy to protect its inventory.

        Did the vault work? Nope. One night burglars broke into the bank and dynamited the vault door. Blew the door off its hinges. Same thing could happen if a gun shop invested in a reasonable vault for its inventory.

        (Did the burglars get away with any cash? Nope. As a back-up, the bank maintained a glass jug of mustard oil behind the vault door. When the door blew the jug broke and the mustard oil vaporized to mustard gas. The burglars fled without a dime. Gun shop owners could consider this approach. Oh, but that would jeopardize the health of burglars; a consequence that wouldn’t be PC. Never mind.)

        • At the last store I managed the majority of firearms were kept in safes in back- all the time. There were several hundred firearms stored this way.

          In the showroom there were approximately 100 handguns on display in glass cases, and approximately 50 long guns displayed on hooks on the wall behind the counter.

          At night all safes were locked (with the cash drawer inside), but all display guns were left out- the glass cases didn’t even have the capability of being locked.

          The showroom was, however, ringed with razor wire at closing each night.

          There was only one break-in event in the four years I was there. I lived closest, so I responded first to the burglar alarm. I discovered two glass cases with their tops smashed out, five handguns missing, and a whole lot of blood (it looked like the dancefloor after Jack The Ripper had left the disco).

          All five handguns were recovered when the perpetrator was arrested- he was identified from the bloody fingerprints found on the smashed (unlocked) glass cases. He had disfiguring hand and leg wounds from the razor wire.

          It was an unfortunate event for the business- yet somewhat satisfying considering the outcome.

          • “The showroom was, however, ringed with razor wire at closing each night.”

            Now, thas whut I’m talkin’ ’bout.

    • A lot of them do.

      …as do a lot of women wear high-cut, collared shirts and long, loose-fitting pants; so that bad men are less likely to get all rapey when they see them.

      Let me know when the women in your life all dress like the betrothed property of a misogynist Saudi kiddie-diddler, and I’ll go have a talk with the gun dealers in my life and see if I can’t get them to come around to the superiority of your wisdom.

      • Your analogy is fatally flawed. No one grabs a woman off the streets (no matter how she is dressed), and hauls her down the street to use her as a weapon to rob a gas station.

        Tactical note: You see firearms sitting behind flimsy glass, you know if you break in you can get a gun. Grab a woman off the street, and you takes your chances.

    • “Do we dare go back to talking about why gun store owners do not lock up their inventory after close of the business day?”

      Allow me to give the Pawn and Gun shop answer –

      Repeated handling of the guns dings them up and lowers their value.

      1 year in a display case is over 300 times the gun is taken out of the safe, placed in the display case, removed at the end of the day, and put back in the safe.

      That dings them up. The same goes, but even worse, for the long guns in display racks.

      Only one of the shops I worked for in years past left their guns out, and they eventually got hit.

      That’s *why* it’s done. Locking them up reduces their value over time. I have seen a pawn shop use custom stackable trays for their guns, but they were the exception. They also had to factor the not-small costs of a secure safe, bolted down with grade-8 bolts, and a glass re-locker mechanism…

      • I understand your observations, yet…

        Moving high value pieces of jewelry each night doesn’t result in dings and scratches?

        • I don’t think the jewelry store moves all of it’s merchandise into and out of a safe every day. Probably ONLY the high value stuff.

          More, I doubt they move one piece at a time. Trays and display cases probably hold a couple dozen or more items, so just pick up the tray or case, and move it. Costume jewelry will stay parked on whatever display racks.

          Again, it’s a lot of work to move a gun store’s inventory in and out of secure storage.

          • “Again, it’s a lot of work to move a gun store’s inventory in and out of secure storage.”

            Am certain that is true.

        • At Jewry store markups, the product is not what they are selling. Jewry stores insure for 25% of list price, a burglary makes them money with their insurance company on a payout. There are enough underwriters for retail the scam has gone on for 50+ years.

          The markup is on the order of 85% over wholesale for the entire inventory, and 95% for everything under 500 bucks. The typical jewry store puts 95% of thier inventory in a filing cabinet with a bar. 5% are items so expensive the insurance company is going to want to see POs.

          • Good info on the jewelry business. Have known for a long time that diamonds are as plentiful as Port Costa parking lot rocks. Also interesting that diamond producers can get around restraint-of-trade laws.

        • “Not to mention paying employees to pack and unpack the inventory every day.”

          Employees gotta do something when on the clock. The “what” really doesn’t matter, right?

    • Before running my current company, I worked in two different gun shops. The main reasons you don’t lock every gun up are time, and secure storage space. It could take HOURS, every morning and every evening, to move your firearms from the safe(s) to shelves, and vice versa. Also, how many safes do you need to store 300, 500… 800 firearms? A LOT of them. Where do you put them? Also – cost. It’s much easier, and more cost effective, to “harden” the building itself, and install a robust security and surveillance system. And… it works.

      • “It’s much easier, and more cost effective, to “harden” the building itself, and install a robust security and surveillance system.”

        Not being “in the industry”, am not schooled in the tribal practices. However, glass fronts, and lighweight bars and frames do not seem to rise to the level of hardening. Also not understanding that if a gun store has too many firearms to secure in interior spaces (i.e. take the guns out of sight at night), isn’t that an indication the inventory is too valuable to be left sitting in plain view when the store is closed? It may just be that I am so naive as to believe gun store owners want to do everything they can to prevent their inventory being stolen and used in subsequent crimes. Maybe follow-on crime and damage is just not a consideration, or the losses are considered simply a cost of doing business.

        If “hardening” the store is a satisfactory solution, how are smash and grab robberies successful? I don’t live in a megaplex, so the few gun stores here are storefronts (except the gun store at the firing range). The inventory at the range must be less robust than I perceive, because the firearms are stored out of sight at night. Did read of one shooting range/gunstore where the facility is encased behind roll down steel screens on the outside. Not impenetrable, but requires more tools, and more time to get to the doors and windows, and through the doors and windows, and then into the secure interior spaces. The intent was to stop “smash and grab”, and require thieves to spend a significant amount of time overcoming the defenses even before obtaining entry to the sales floor.

        ‘Preciate your insight and experience.

      • “Yeah, it’s the.victim’s fault.”

        Not discussing “fault”. Prudence is the issue.

        But, when does a theft become the victim’s fault? Leaving doors open without regard to the possibility of theft? Locking the doors, but only using something from Walmart? Where does the victim lose responsible for securing themselves and their property, and become “just unlucky”.

        • Behind a locked door on private property? There ya go.

          The rest is just extra safety. What you are asking is for more requirements to justify an insurance claim, which is ridiculous. When you vehicle is broken into, did you lock the door? Okay then. Doesn’t matter if they took a penny, or the entire interior of the vehicle for parts. It’s not their property.

          • “What you are asking is for more requirements to justify an insurance claim…”

            Not actually. If my gun store were sufficiently secure to seriously reduce the risk of break-in and theft (say 95% assured?), I wouldn’t need insurance, or not much anyway.

        • No, you are blaming the victim, just indirectly.

          So in an ideal world the gun store – or any store – wouldn’t need locks on the door because people wouldn’t steal. Some people are bad, here in the real world, so the store owner needs to make a judgment call of how much security, of what types, to put into place. Cost in money, time, labor, etc. all need to fold in to that decision.

          It’s the store owner’s call, not yours, not mine.

          If the store is breached and inventory is stolen, then it’s always really easy to say the store owner should have done more. You can always say that this measure or that could have prevented it. Always. Hindsight is wonderful, isn’t it? And at the same time you could also point out any measures the store owner took that didn’t matter. What a wasteful owner, spending money on things that – in this particular case – didn’t help.

          But let’s start the who’s-at-fault discussion with the thrives who shouldn’t have been out stealing in the first place. Those are what we call “the bad guys.”

          • “No, you are blaming the victim, just indirectly. ”

            Not so. I don’t personally care about blame; you make choices and you alone are responsible for the outcome. No one has a human, civil and/or natural right to walk through the world undisturbed. I am simply asking about the mitigation of risk; what is enough?

            Now, I have one inch thick decorative bars on every window in the house. Even have bars on the front and back doors. We have security company signs (eng and span) at every external corner, front and back doors (all of which punished our savings severely). But, among other deficiencies, we do not have heavy concrete bollards positioned around the exterior to prevent someone driving a truck through the walls. We accept that the HOA mafia will not allow a mini-Maginot Line to be built on the property.

            If our defenses are breached, we accept responsibility for not being better prepared. However, we do not expect any sympathy from anyone, should our measures fail. Our estimate of the level of risk is that the security measures are sufficient for the vast majority of types of attack we could face. If we fail, you are free to blame the victim; doesn’t matter, doesn’t change anything.

        • Sam, are you planning to open your gun store at any time, for instance to conduct business? Because if so you’d better have insurance, all the doodads you think would be swell won’t even slow down the guys who come through the open door during business hours, shoot all your employees and steal your inventory. You can’t just ignore insurance when your entire net worth is inside the store. Flip answers about not needing insurance add little to the conversation.

          • “…all the doodads you think would be swell won’t even slow down the guys who come through the open door during business hours, shoot all your employees and steal your inventory. ”

            IIRC, the issue is after hours security, not the risks of operating a store during business hours. Theoretically, if I have perfect security (whatever that is), I wouldn’t need to have insurance at all.

            The matter at hand is just what is prudent and sufficient security to deter after hours robbery and theft? I have no position on any of it. However, there have been some useful comments about levels of security.

            Now, about “blaming the victim”…what is the appropriate level of responsibility, beyond which a person/business owner has only themselves to blame for outcomes? We all agree that the world is not benign. In a troubled world when does a person wittingly acquire blame for actions? EX: a person intentionally walks into a known gang neighborhood, at night, wearing expensive clothes and jewelry, unarmed. If that person is attacked and injured, who is to blame? Keep in mind that no one has a civil, human and natural right to walk freely wherever, whenever.

        • So, would you have all gun stores and store owners follow your guidelines? Would you prefer they were mandatory, so they had no choice in the matter?
          Small gun shops with limited inventory and small profit margins can’t afford this type of security. You’d rather see them out of business?

          • “So, would you have all gun stores and store owners follow your guidelines?”

            Nope. No encouraging anything, simply asking the questions. Don’t over-read things.

            I have no opinion about what is a proper amount of theft prevention. The interest is in learning from others. Will the learning be useful? Not to me, but knowledge is never wasted.

    • Sure. If we want to place the blame on the victims.

      We could also say “don’t have nice shit and people won’t rob you”.

      Yeah……we can do that. Or just make it illegal to break into places and rob them. That’ll fix it.

      • “Or just make it illegal to break into places and rob them. That’ll fix it.”

        Seems to have worked well, so far.

          • “Can’t slip anything past you.”

            That’s easy: just make sense, I can’t deal with sensible.

        • Sam I understand what you mean about gun safes and security. Most FFL/gun stores are small business owners, with limited capital. They do lock up what they can. They do install steel posts and concrete deadman to stop vehicles. They have camera and alarms. They have insurance on their inventory. But there is only so much you can do to protect yourself. Most criminals are lazy, and that’s the ones you stop. The professional thieves are gonna get into some guns if they want. It’s easier to buy guns than steal them. If the kids in the above story got 50 guns, they would of got caught eventually from selling them to other criminals who rolled over on them to get off on their crime I’m thinking. These kids didnt think their crime out very good. Otherwise they wouldn’t of tried the heist when the owner was still there. Locks and safes are to stop thieves of convenience robberies.

          • “But there is only so much you can do to protect yourself. Most criminals are lazy, and that’s the ones you stop. ”

            Agree, there are limits. But what lies between irresponsibility/negligence, and reasonable? Or can such a determination actually be made? Case-by-case even?

    • As a regular patron of this store, he has spent a small fortune hardening the building and installing security mesaures. Most long guns are locked to the walls and some locked to display carosels, most pistols are not in those cheapy glass cases, windows barred, ect. I personally don’t know if he does or doesn’t lock them up at night, and the article didn’t say so this thread responses tend to remind me of what they say about what happens when you ass u me something. Thieves are thieves, if they want in they’ll get in. Im glad Preston was there and is safe. This kind of thing will only increase in the days to come. Peoria is really bad these days, we call it little Shitcago around here. Its been months since I left my job in the burg, maybe I’ll go help him legally elevate some of his inventory burden and just say hi! Everyone stay safe out there, tough times ahead.

    • You say ‘vehicle homicides aren’t really a thing’?!
      Man, you hit the wrong of the nail with that swing. They certainly ARE a thing. And to answer your original question: No. A citizen business owner is not required to take ridiculous steps to prevent criminals from doing what criminals do. Locking the door to the place is fine.
      I do however, believe it should he legal to booby trap the place.

      • “You say ‘vehicle homicides aren’t really a thing’?!…They certainly ARE a thing. ”

        Compare the number of stolen guns used in homicides to the number of stolen vehicles used to commit homicide. Something isn’t “a thing” just because they do happen; volume of events makes something “a thing”.

        I agree about surprised you mention.

      • “Do we dare to stop blaming victims and not the criminals?”

        Under your thinking, no one should be required to take any measure of security because there shouldn’t be criminals.

        Seriously, asking about sufficiency of security measures is more about property protection (and avoiding downstream consequences) than “blaming” anyone. If a person, or business owner wants to leave their possessions and inventory in Condition White, fine; just don’t complain when you are disadvantaged. Simply fill out the police report, and clean up the mess.

        Discussing security measures is nothing more than identifying the threat, and taking measures to eliminate or mitigate.

    • Does it matter in the long run? A thief is a thief. Perhaps the owner (still being there) was in the process or before the process of putting away the weapons. But really who cares? Attempted robbery is still attempted robbery. Or grand larceny or whatever the actual legal term is. The thieves are still thieves…

      • “The thieves are still thieves…”

        Good to know, but heartbreaking to learn that because “thieves are thieves”, none of my security concerns are valid. Can’t understand why anyone needs too carry a gun; stuff just happens anyway. And you might not succeed in defense, and you might hurt yourself, and you might anger the attacker more, and…….well, golly gee.

    • > Do we dare go back to talking about why gun store owners do not lock up their inventory after close of the business day? If the guns are not on shelves, seems less likely people would drive vehicles through the doors/windows to get at the guns.

      Ah yes… the old “If she didn’t want to be raped she should not have worn that revealing dress” defense.

      • “Ah yes… the old “If she didn’t want to be raped she should not have worn that revealing dress” defense.”

        While that is true….

        Simple, but irrelevant analogy. Asking about security measures for gun stores is not blaming anyone. But is it queer that we love blaming gun owners who suffer self-induced gunshot wounds (after all, guns should be so safe no one can harm themselves), but asking what constitutes reasonable, prudent, responsible security measures for gun stores suddenly becomes “blaming the victim”.

        If you walk out your front door, and get killed, by any means, yes, you are at fault for leaving your residence. No one forced you out the door, that was a personal decision. You cudda stayed indoors, yes? Howz that for blaming?

    • Guess we should all have to lock up our TV’s , jewelry, wallet, etc., etc., etc. every night or it’s our fault some thieving no account rips you off ? It may be a prudent thing, but the only person reponsible for theft is the thief !!

      • “…but the only person reponsible for theft is the thief !!”

        The person making it easy gets a pass?

    • I worked at the gun counter at a Sports Authority in the mid 90’s. At the end of the aisle behind the gun counter was a walk-in security closet with a heavy-duty steel door. Reserve stock was kept there, and all the handguns in the glass display cabinets went into padded cases and were loaded into a shopping cart at the end of the day. The cart was wheeled into the locked room. In the morning we got it out and put the handguns back in the glass cases. It took two of us less than 10 minutes to do.

      The long guns were kept in the wall rack behind the counter overnight and had cheap locks on them, so several got stolen when a backdoor smash-and-grab happened at that store a few years after I left. The thieves didn’t get any handguns though, as they failed to gain entry to the secure gun room.

      • “The thieves didn’t get any handguns though, as they failed to gain entry to the secure gun room.”

        Thanks for the insight.

      • “Thanks for proving you are a 100% complete frigging moron.”

        Someone asks a question. Someone else gives the response above. Who’s the moron?

    • I am willing to bet that his inventory was locked up. You evidently know nothing about a gun store. Or the cost of weapons. Also I am thinking you’ve never fired or even held a weapon in your hands. Lastly why are you defending criminals who were out to commit theft of another persons property?

      • “Lastly why are you defending criminals…. ?”

        Why can you not read? Inquiry is a defense of nothing, no one.

        Your educators owe you a refund.

  2. And this will be added to be one of the tragic gun deaths in America that Biden plans to stop by outlawing assault weapons. China Joe, there were no assault weapons used, as in most murders.

    • Correction: it wasn’t a murder on behalf of the citizen. THAT was self defense. Also known as NOT MURDER. His accomplices however, are all guilty of murder if they were knowingly participating in a burglary.

      • Jeff didn’t say “murder,” he said “tragic gun deaths,” using sarcasm.
        Those gun death numbers don’t discriminate between murder, homicide, accidental, and suicide.

  3. felony murder? that charge won’t go anywhere. no accomplice of the accused committed murder in the commission of the crime. that da is really brain dead.

    • They were all three committing the felony burglary. Owner defended himself and property which resulted in the death of a participant. Because they all committed the burglary they are on the hook for the consequences. Texas has similar laws. Not every state does. Lucky for them the left got rid of the death penalty in illinois.

      The DA would never charge it if he didn’t have the authority. Let’s give him a littlencredit for knowing what he can charge.

      • The “left” did NOT get rid of the death penalty in ILL. Gov.George Ryan from my hometown of Kankakee did. A Republitard RINO. Then he went to prison…little difference in ILLinoyed between D & R. So it’s up to ordinary citizens to “execute” judgement!

        • At least they send your corrupt Politian’s to prison. In California they normally are allowed to walk around until they die of natural causes.

        • I always thought he did that so the criminals in prison would be nice to him for the favor he did for them.

    • “no accomplice of the accused committed murder in the commission of the crime. that da is really brain dead.”

      You might want to reconsider that statement. IIRC, if one is involved in a felony, to any degree, and someone dies, even if one did not directly contribute to that death, the charge of “felony murder” can apply. So, a perp is killed robbing someone, the getaway driver is considered a direct participant in the death of the perp; felony murder.

      • “if one is involved in a felony, to any degree, and someone dies, even if one did not directly contribute to that death, the charge of “felony murder” can apply.“

        It will be rather interesting to see the charges accumulate for the violent insurrectionists who attacked our nations capital.

        Federal law provides for the death penalty for those involved in the murder of a police officer as well.

        Will the Trump supporters cry when they push the needle in… Who knows, but we’ll all be watching.

        • Yup, just after all the violent left-wing insurrectionests that have burned, looted and murdered all through 2020 in many cities and locales have been charged for their crimes…

        • Oh, I must’ve missed where BLM protesters attacked the seat of our government during a joint session of Congress, as they deliberated our presidential election.

          It is interesting that you don’t understand the difference between a simple protest where pissed off people burn a few stores, break windows and otherwise expressed their discontent as opposed to an intentional violent insurrection, planned and executed with the stated goal of disrupting our constitutionally directed election deliberations by the sitting United States Congress.

          Even Donald Trump has disowned his supporters who attacked our government, of course it was he who whipped them into a frenzy moments before their attack.

          You have sown the wind, you will reap the whirlwind. Enjoy!

          • “…seed of our government…” bad mental image considering how many Democrats have been arrested or lost their elected positions through sex crimes. Possibly you meant *seat* of our government?

            You really should check the definition of “Insurrection”. What your AntiFa agitators conducted over the last year(s) is the very essence of the definition.

            The difference you mention is present in your mind only…I look at the facts of the crime(s) and go from there.

        • Just out of curiosity, Miner, what makes you think it was NOT BLM that invaded the Capitol? I would bet money that BLM and/or antifa were on the front lines wearing MAGA hats and carrying Trump flags, those people acted exactly NOTHING like the Trump supporters we’ve seen for years, and EXACTLY like the rioters and looters constantly in the news throughout 2020. We can easily determine which is the case, as if they are BLM/Antifa the FBI will mysteriously be unable to identify them.

    • GS is correct. The felony murder rule allows ANY participant in the commission of a felony to be charged with first degree murder in the event ANYONE, victim, bystander, or perpetrator, dies during the commission of the felonious act. The case they used in law school when I was there many years ago was the case of the getaway driver who never entered the corner store but waited in the car. One of the gunmen was shot and killed by the store owner. The remaining gunman plead out prior to trail and got 20 years. The driver took his chances at trial and ended up with a murder conviction and a life sentence. The California Supreme Court affirmed the conviction of murder and the sentence. Really sucked for him.

      A similar fate awaits these delinquents in Peoria. If they are really lucky (unlikely) they will be tried as juveniles.

        • As it turns out, I really didn’t need to go to Washington DC to experience the joy and thrill of thugs attempting a violent overthrow of our electoral process.

          It seems the revolution was televised, by the perpetrators themselves, as it turns out, much to their dismay.

          Book ‘em, Dano!

        • 50,000+ Trump supporters, peaceful as usual, and 1,000 anarchists, and you think you have it all worked out, huh? How to spin it to make yourself appear something besides a doofus?

    • You might want to check up on the laws in pretty much all 50 states. Because that’s exactly how it works.

    • It’s known as the felony murder rule. If there is a felony being committed and someone dies during the commission of the felony all of the perpetrators may be charged with murder. It was in the English common law and was adopted into the law of most of the states

  4. Is that Obama’s son? Kamala’s son? Oprah’s?
    He’s somebody’s son…and they are probably not very proud at this point. Or…maybe they are…who knows?

    • They are looking for a way to sue the gun shop owner right now. When these shitheels get popped they always try to cash in.

      • “He was a good boy an he dn even have no gun. He wa’nt gonna hurt no body, and that gun store owner had no right to shoot him. Shoulda shot him in the laig or sumpin, not kilt him!

        Sorry, I watch too many news/crime shows. The script is always the same.)

        • Mark, it seems you were correct!

          Many of the insurrectionists in Washington DC are already issuing statements attempting to escape responsibility for their upcoming sedition and felony murder charges:

          “I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement, nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred. I was simply there as an independent member of the media to film history.”

          Of course, they were kind of working against themselves with all the videos and live streaming but violent thugs crave attention.

        • AnTifa has never attacked the capital of the United States of America, while both houses of Congress were in joint session considering the electoral college votes, with the express purpose of disrupting our governmental process.

          The proud boys, the 3% or’s, the Boogaloo’s, all are fascist invaders who attempted a coup by disrupting the constitutional electoral process.

          I predict President Biden’s justice department will be unrelenting in rooting out these violent insurrectionists and bringing them before the bar of justice.

    • “Round up the usual suspects”
      – Captain Renault

      “I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!”
      – IBID

      • @Sam I Am

        …as he collects his winnings..

        One of my favorite movies of all time! Great actors, great lines and great cinematography.

        • “One of my favorite movies of all time! Great actors, great lines and great cinematography.”

          Have often read that the movie was actually shot in sequence, with the actors having only enough script for the next day’s shooting, just so the actors would not know outcomes, and add uncertainty to their future, just as the characters would not know.

          Also, several of the extras were actual refugees from Nazis, including the girl with the guitar.

          My favorite anecdote is that, reportedly, years later, people shopped the script under the title, “Everyone Comes to Rick’s” and were turned down time and again.

        • You missed the part that’s the most fun, the film was made and released before the war ended, when the outcome was still in doubt. Watching the key scenes with that in mind gives an entirely new and distinctly frightening glow to the film.

      • Out of the doorway the bullets rip
        Repeating to the sound of the beat
        Another one bites the dust
        Another one bites the dust
        And another one gone and another one gone
        Another one bites the dust yeah