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Hi-Point C9 9MM Pistol Gun Review

TTAG contacted the Hi-Point Firearms PR people in late January / early February. We were up front about our plan: test their C9 9mm pistol to destruction. To prove (we hoped) that what the Hi-Point C9 lacked in refinement, it made up for in simplicity and reliability.

When asked if the pistol would be in “sellable” condition after the tests, we politely responded in the negative. We were going to break the Hi Point and chronicle the punishment it took along the way. Hi-Point got the point and signed up for our torture test. Then, time went by….

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

The candles at my dinner table burned to the nub with no one showing up to enjoy the cuisine I’d slaved over for hours on end. Eventually, Hi-Point’s rep emailed me. They’d decided against sending us a pistol.

After further consideration, I am going to pass on sending you a c-9 to torture test, we have had many different writers and independent’s [sic} individuals [sic] do this type of thing to several calibers of the Hi-point products, all have attained the same end…Hi-Points are built like a “TANK” they just keep running and are nearly indestructible ( just view the most recient You Tube hi-point attempted destruction test ).

If you want a Hi-Point to try to destroy you will need to run one down for yourself, to be honest we are so busy shipping c-9’s out I really don’t want to break a case of 10-and I don’t think its [sic] fair to send you one to destroy when I have customers wanting them to enjoy.

So imagine my surprise and delight when Manassas Guns and Ammo Warehouse called and told me “Your Hi-Point is here.” Hi-Point’s marketing mavens had decided to send us a C9 after all.

Pistol in hand, it was finally time to get down to business. I was ready for the C9 to exceed my expectations, expecting it to blow me away. At $155, that wouldn’t be hard to accomplish.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

The Hi-Point C9 ships with a rear Ghost-ring sight (as well as an extra rear peep sight, FYI). Too bad that extra bit of plastic wasn’t added to the nearly-impossible-to-operate-from-a-firing-grip safety. Hi-Point calls it the “quick on/off thumb safety.” Operating the switch is about as fast as a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter uphill. In January. Flicking the thumb safety in a firing grip requires a good deal of effort; it must be pressed firmly, like a square peg through a round hole. Worse, it can be left at any degree of on/off while you’re manipulating it.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

Ergonomically, the Hi-Point C9 fits the hand decently enough. The Hi-Point rep told me the gun needs a beefy slide to compensate for both the single-action blowback design and the pistol’s light polymer frame. (The mass of the heavy slide keeps the breech closed until the round has exited the barrel, then the energy imparted by the fired round operates the slide and cycles the pistol.) The C9’s slide borders on behemoth. Somehow, the folks at Colt had figured out how to make their blowback pistol slides not-so gianormous right around 1900 when they introduced the model 1903 and 1908 hammerless pistols. They must have been using technology from the future.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

Here’s a comparison between the ergonomic and aesthetic similarities of the C9’s pot metal slide and a common mason’s brick. Again, I’m not implying that the C9 is uncomfortable to hold. I said it “fits” – and I mean it. The discomfort starts when you fire the pistol. In the above picture, you’ll notice a slight overlap of the skin on my thumb and the bottom edge of the heavy slide, just aft of the safety-off indicator. In the picture below, you’ll see that there’s a significant amount of overlap.

When I fired this pistol for the first time, the action of the ZAMAK slide contacting, rubbing against, and trying to take off the skin on the top of my thumb, was a wee bit uncomfortable.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

Moving right along, let’s shoot the thing and see how it performs. Click here for my previous range report].

I’d set a standard “bulls-eye” target at three yards. It’s a fine distance for putting FMJ rounds on paper and concentrating on the function of the pistol. My sights were perfectly aligned on the bull.

As I took-up the trigger slack I felt a bit of side-to-side “wiggle.” Odd yet manageable. Squeeze … squeeze … squeeeeeeeze … SQUEEEEEEZE. And while we’re waiting fo something to happen, please note that arthritic shooters need not apply; the C9′s nine-pound plus trigger pull will likely break your finger before a bullet comes out the other end.

Eventually, the C9 trigger breaks and round one travels down range. The sights remain on target throughout the entire epic. Lowering the pistol to low-ready, I peer downrange at my work. At three yards, I have failed to put the round anywhere on the paper.

Faced with the prospect of running the target “home” to confirm my suspicions of failure—and showing blank paper to the shooter’s to my left and right—I take aim again and turn my concentration inward. My first thought: the concussion I suffered five days previous has seriously distorted my shooting ability. Fine, let’s finish this magazine and see what happens.

Round two fails to hit paper with a proper sight picture. With round three, I ignored the sights and relied on muscle memory. Finally, a round lands on paper. Barely. Almost. Ok, I lied – all three rounds have disappeared. Things pretty much went that way the entire night: 20 rounds fired, six on paper, only one a “scoring” hit.

Mr. Finn had a similar experience, this gun was shooting no-where near point of aim. I had to confirm I wasn’t crazy and shoot my carry-gun to make sure I was actually able to still put rounds on target, see the target on the right – it’s confirmed, I’m not crazy.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol ReviewI tested the C9’s accuracy again by myself, with much the same results. I broke the pistol out one final time this past weekend out at Quantico Shooting Club. I put it in the hands of Foghorn, and he let ‘er rip. The two of us again found that rounds were way off target.

Once I realized where the pistol was shooting when benched, and adjusted the sights to their limits attempting to compensate (correctly adjusting them, and failing miserably), I had a little fun. At maximum adjust, the sights still do not reliably produce a near point of aim impact. Rounds will land low – but just how low?

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol ReviewNot too shabby eh? Except that this is again at three yards – nine whole feet, and I was aiming for headshots to illustrate my point. At nine feet, I experienced shot placement over 12 inches low of point of aim, consistently.

Another quirk: feed issues. I obtained seven different 10-round magazines for the C9. Out of that group I recorded two different types of feed errors with six of them. The first error was a simple fail to feed. At maximum magazine capacity (eight rounds), the magazine would feed the first round or two into the pistol, but then the follower would hang inside of the magazine and the next round would be tucked down in the magazine too deep to be fed when the slide operated forward.

I solved this problem by dropping the mag, tapping it against my leg to free the bind, then reinserting it. The second failure was a feeding issue due to binding of the bullet within the magazine as it approaches the magazine lip. Below, you can see a correctly oriented round in the top magazine, and a “misfeed” in the magazine beneath. Notice the difference in the angle of orientation of the bullet in each magazine (placed on top of each other).

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol ReviewWhen the C9 attempted to strip that “misfeed” round off the top to bring the pistol into battery, the pistol jammed. After peering closely into the jammed action and using a flashlight and multitool to locate and assess the hangup, I determined that the case lip of the round snags on the front of the magazine itself. Inside the pistol, the misfed round and magazine look similar to the below image (which I staged for illustrative purposes as it would have been impossible to drop the magazine from the pistol with the round in this position).

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol ReviewAnother jamming issue: when the magazine is seated and the slide operated, about 70 percent of the time the slide will contact the round, and stop either halfway to battery, or nearly completely out of battery. After a momentary delay, the slide may decide to “fix itself” and slap forward into battery. If it continues to be uncooperative and non-responsive, you can empty 60 rounds into it in seven seconds . . . I mean “tap” it to correct the issue.

In addition to fail-to-feeds, I experienced two trigger pulls where the sear did not reset. The trigger was pulled, the gun went bang, the next round was chambered, and after being fully-released the trigger was able to pulled all the way to stop without another “bang” happening. Out of over 500 rounds, I was only able to observe this issue twice – both times at the NRA range, where photography is prohibited.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol ReviewI had planned to record each of the previously mentioned failures individually for your viewing pleasure. In the name of efficiency, the C9 decided to demonstrate the majority of them within 12 rounds and in a single one-minute video.

I wanted the made-in-the-USA Hi Point to be great. My preconceived notion was this was a pistol that might have been ugly and ungainly, but was one that worked and was a viable option for inexpensive home defense. I planned to write it up as a great “second” gun – the one you leave locked away on your yacht and don’t fret too much about if it drops overboard into 400ft of seawater.

I started planning all of these angles before the pistol was physically in my hand. Once it was here, things just went downhill – like the fat kid on a toboggan, plummeting towards the pond at the bottom of the sledding hill with nothing to do but scream. And what of the torture test? In the end, it proved unnecessary.

SPECIFICATIONS: Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol

Caliber 9mm (also available in .380 ACP, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP)
Material (slide) ZAMAK Zinc-Aluminum Alloy (similar to AR-15 lowers)
Material (frame) DuPont High-Impact Polymer
Weight 29oz unloaded
Overall length 6.75″
Barrel Length 3.5″
Capacity 8-round magazine standard. 10-round optional
Sights 3-Dot. Fully adjustable rear.

RATINGS (out of five stars):

Style * * *
You don’t buy a Hi-Point for its looks. It performs its job of looking “workhorsish” flawlessly.

Ergonomics (carry) *
For a “small” pistol (3.5″ barrel), the C9 has a profile exceeding full-size handguns. I’m not quite sure why you’d try to carry the C9 given it’s size and relative round capacity.

Ergonomics (firing) *
No. Without consciously avoiding anything approaching a high hand grip, expect to experience at least one “bite” from the C9. With all of the weight in the slide, and nothing in the frame, this 9mm “snaps” more than a typical .45.

Reliability nil
I could not make this gun go bang every time. That is my one gateway requirement to reliability. When I pull the trigger, it must go boom. When it goes boom, it must consistently be ready to go boom again. The fact that misfeeds and jams were the norm and not the fluke leads to my first ever “zero” rating. The good news: every USA-made Hi-Point carries a lifetime warranty. You’ll probably need it.

Customizability * 1/2
Two points for the optional ghost ring sights

Overall Rating * 1/2
Even at $155 MSRP, a pistol that doesn’t go bang every time is not to be considered affordable. Or useful, at least for reliable self defense. In certain scenarios, the Hi-Point could get its owner into deeper trouble than if he or she didn’t have a gun.

Conclusion
I would not buy a Hi-Point C9 on a bet, but I may end up getting stuck with one. Their PR peeps haven’t told me how to return the pistol.

Hi-Point C9 9mm Pistol Review

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  1. 1) Thanks for an honest review warts and all. It is extremely refreshing to read a review that lists a gun’s flaws as well as it’s features.

    2) JMHO but if the review is that bad I would prefer less snark so as to avoid even the appearance of bias. Please note, I am not against snark in reviews but when one is this bad my purely personal preference is more objectivity less snark. As always I could be wrong.

    NukemJim
    PS The snark was funny

    • You may wanna scroll down and read my comments. For something that was supposed to be a “review” I found this beyond unproffessional.

      • I have owned the HP C-9 since day one. I never knew it was so bad. My wife put a man into a six foot hole after he broke into our home. Three shots fired and three hits found the right spot.
        Sorry you had so many problems.

        • Would you post a link to an article where I can read about this killing of a home invader,I love it when criminals get put down.

        • We just got done shooting several guns today and the C( highpoint was one of them. It had a flawless porformance. Very accurate, no misfeeds, jamming, fired everytime the trigger was pulled. It is not a bad handgun at all. Yes, it is on the heavy side but its not bad. A person has to get use to it. I would own one with no second thoughts. The one we shot today is my son’s!!

        • The author couldn’t make a head shot at 9 ft???? He needs to quit writing articles and start going to the gun range……..Brava to your wife!!

          I’m fixing to buy a Hi Point C9 with laserlyte scope, my Beretta 92 FS INOX is my gun of choice but I have heard nothing but good on these little cheap guns and the warranty is the best in the business………..

        • I have a c9 as well, I got it from a pawn shop for next to nothing, I had heard good and bad and it was so cheap(pawn shop you can talk them down even more) I thought I’d get it and see for myself. Yes its chunky, Yes if you run out of bullets use it to inflict blunt force trauma. But I have taken it to the range and shot the cheapest rounds I can buy and so far after a few hundred rounds it’s jammed once on me. I’ve adjusted the sites and for me, I can hit what I’m shooting at, I haven’t tried to see how tight of a group I can get or anything like that but I feel as you pointed out. If someone comes into my home and I have to defend myself and Family and I can only get to the c9 they will be just as dead as if I had shot them with a 9mm Glock, or anything else. And I know none of the HiPoint haters care if it has a warranty but if I keep it and use it every day shooting hundreds of rounds through it just for fun and it brakes, I can send it back and then do it all over again, I’m not sure but I don’t think you can do that with other higher priced guns, and all guns can fail and need repair.. If you need something to defend your home and it’s all you can afford just look into it yourself find someone who isn’t a gun snob maybe has one of their own and try it out. I paid 90 for mine. BTW I’m just directing this at other readers who may be reading. Opinions are like butt holes everyone has one and so do I.. 🙂

      • what I dislike about all these reviews is the reviewers never break the guns in before they start bashing them for reliability very unprofessional.

        • I been shooting guns,ever since I was able hold one up learned to squeeze the trigger control my breathing. I was given ammo by my dad to hunt game, rabbits, squirrels, turkeys and deer. Dad expected me to kill game not just waste ammo so I got be a petty good shot, of corse sometimes I would miss, bad gun, bad ammo ha-ha, As bad as I wanted to blame my miss on everything from a sudden need to sneeze, the sun in my eyes, or a number of other thousand and one things that happen. The point is there are some poorly made guns and ammo, also there a lot people that just don’t know how to shoot.
          With that in mind I have Remington, salvage, weatherby also a sks long guns to mention a few, they all shoot well. I have had snap no bang couple of times and I have missed my target. I also have pistols I have also had a snap and no bang.
          I have hi point is a gun that don’t get the respect it should a gun that is a great gun 9mm 995ts a 45, 9mm. I have had misfire, jam, no more than my glock or the new beretta I traded another rifle.
          We like to blame poor shooting habits on a gun or something else.
          Let’s face it shooting is a skill that takes practice and keeping your gun clean, it a lot of fun, as in everything we have to be responsible for the things we do
          I am thankful for the second amendment and also proud owner of the HI-POINT firearms and other brand. Many people that turn up their noses have not shot the Hi Point these firearms many will say well I heard somebody say, or they never cleaned their guns let’s face it poor habits and dangerous people that heart and kill.

        • Absolutely. Ya gotta break it in.
          I have one. Love it. But admittedly this is not the straight-out-of-the-box shooter you’re gonna see in a $700 gun. You HAVE to tweak the mags, spend range time with it, adjust the sights if necessary and get a couple hundred rounds thru it.
          Once done, you have a very good pistol in your hand and you’re well defended.
          Went to the range a couple of weeks ago and I was confidently putting in killshots out to 30 yards. I pray I’ll never need it, but I’ll be the one walking away if I do.

      • I am a firearms I structor and Concealed Carry Instructor and 30 years in law enforcement dealing with many different guns. I have to say Highpoint is by far the sorriest gun I have ever seen on the range. When I saw this I read things here I have told my teaching partner for years. He kept asking me why I refused to allow anyone to bring a Highpoint to my classes. I got my hands on one and told him to walk me thru the course and about half way he said “ok that’s enough I see your point”. It consistently jammed and missfired…. All these people here that are praising this gun should let the rest of us know how you got hired by Highpoint…

        • You can watch on youtube Demolition Ranch destroy ten Hipont’s But as everybody laughs . I have yet to see one other gun company put theirs to the same text! NOT ONE! That said I have two the 9mm carbine and the 45 handgun. Both are as accurate as anything anybody is shooting at the range. The 9 shoots a group you can put your thumb over at the longest point of the range From what I saw them shoot here at 9 feet! I have never seen a Hipoint perform that bad. or any gun for that matter! I would have to say it had a more to do with the shooter rather than the gun. Seems their are plenty of people that have a problem with everything. When the problem is really them.

    • I have to say that I found your review ridiculous. If you can’t hit target from that range you need to stop shooting no matter what pistol you are shooting. I have a Hi Point 9mm and have found it to be very reliable. It has never failed to fire for me even rapid fire. True, it’s not pretty. It’s bulky and heavy for a small gun but I can hit the bulls eye at short range EVERY TIME. Again, maybe you should take some shooting lessons. By the way, I own a S&W 45, Taurus 45 and a S&W 38 so I do know the difference. For the price, the Hi Point 9mm is well worth the money in my book.

      • I am A senior 70 years and I could not afford a Glock and the High Point 9MM has been a very good pistol for me. Right on Target and although a little shakey I have not failed to hit the target at 30 ft I think this was a very biased review and Made in America caint beat it.

        • I would have to disagree with all of you. I shot my cousins c-9 high point and I did not like it. It jammed on me more than once from the round getting stuck. But other than that I didn’t mind shooting it. Although it is big and bulky it is no different from me caring a 44 magnum revolver. The sight are decent on it but I don’t like ghost sights. Besides that I think it is a nice gun for the range and not to carry.

        • I have had mine for a while it’s not for everyone . I had knuckle ripping problem because the grip is short bought the 10round mag to fix that issue as it allows to hold lower. Went and put 10 rounds through a paper target today just having fun at about 30 ft on a12″x18″ target I hit pretty good center of mass. I have had the feed issue before with a full mag the springs are still and pushes too hard I just tap the magazine before insertion and no problems. My cousin used cheap looked like aluminum ammo and it kept jamming with it but that’s the only time I’ve seen any real issue and most new guns are top heavy as well. It takes time to get used to shooting. I would definitely carry this gun as a lot of people do.

      • I would half to agree with you on this gun. I’m a 61 year old Navy Vietnam Vet. I was using a 1911 in my days of serving in the Navy as a Trouble Shooter and Runner. 45 cal. This C-9 I purchased recently, works flawlessly. The grouping are good at 25 yards and the recoil is not that bad for my old wrist. I found that if you turn the ears out on the mag on the right side just a little and turn the left side ear in just a little it won’t jam in the chamber. This gun is heavy for a reason, the slide is heavier then alot of the aluminum slides out their, but it works well. If you put your thumb down a little and straighten it just a bit your not going to have any issues with the slide pinching you hand. I wear a size 14 ring and have good size hands, and have no problem. It fits well in my hands, with good comfort. The ghost sight I put on and adjusted is easy to dial in, if your not in a big hurry and are patient. You might want to check with your doctor to see if you have a stigma with your eyes. Alot of people do and don’t even know it. I shot several different cartridges thru this gun and found some were better the others. Magtech 124gr. LRN were the worst and Speer LE Gold-Dot 145 grain bonded hollow point were the most accurate. So you might want to try different brands before making such claims, as it’s the guns fault. Enough said about the guy who wanted to discredit the C-9, and make everyone think he’s a pro. I was recieved my Marksman,Sharpshooter, and Expert while in the service so I feel more qualified to test this weapon. Yes it is cheaper then alot of other semi-auto’s out their. Compare Apples to Apples, and the price tags when making those kind of remarks about a manufacter’s product. It is true that some pistols out their are less attractive, but the C-9 Hi-Point is a very good pistol for the price.

        • “You might want to check with your doctor to see if you have a stigma with your eyes.”

          Here in April of ’13, I decided to see what TTAG had to say about the marvel. I was not let down. In fact, I’m still laughing. The review may have made me crazy enough that I want one. Nah.

          But “a stigma with your eyes” – THAT was worth it all. Maybe, actually, it is a STIGMATA with your eyes. And your eyes bled all over the Hi-Point, and I bet that’s why they won’t take it back.

          I mean, it’s UGLY enough to make one’s eyes bleed.

          • Mr. Burke: I old enough to know stupid when I hear it. You don’t understand what people who have double vision go through. It’s called a stigma of the eye. To correct this you will need to have your eyes checked by a eye doctor. They will then let you know if this condition exist. Then you will get to own a set of glasses with prizms it the lens to correct the double vision or lazy eye. I use my dominate eye when shooting, and close the other eye if I forget to wear my glasses. I know you really didn’t mean the comment you said in the earlier statement, and if you did so be it. That would be your problem not mine.

        • It seems the big problem with this gun is the same as I had with a high standard, you have to have the right clip, I had the same problem till I got a different clip and you can’t discount the quality of the ammo. from what I have read from others it seems to be a gun that is just right for someone on a budget.thank you

        • Dale, there are a few statements you made in your comment supporting the C9 that actually discredit the firearm.
          1) “I found that if you turn the ears out on the mag on the right side just a little and turn the left side ear in just a little it won’t jam in the chamber.”
          ***** REALLY???? This is acceptable to you? You should be able to fire the weapon right out of the box as a MINIMAL standard. That is what it’s made for after all!

          2) “If you put your thumb down a little and straighten it just a bit your not going to have any issues with the slide pinching your hand.”
          ***** Firearms are supposed to be ergonomic. there’s a comfort level that needs to be a NATURAL position for the shooter. ESPECIALLY when using in self defense. If you are being robbed, you do not have time to stop and worry about proper thumb placement and straightness in order to avoid slide bite. I shoot a 1911 and I love that when I remove draw it, I place my hand on it the same time, every time. That is what’s supposed to happen. The natural hand position is supposed to be the correct hand position.

          3) “The ghost sight I put on and adjusted is easy to dial in, if your not in a big hurry and are patient.”
          ***** First issue: The ghost sight you put on wasn’t the way the firearm came out of the box. I bought my wife a S&W BG380 that, right out of the box, is an extremely accurate and reliable firearm, as was my 1911 .45 ACP.
          ***** Second issue: If you’re not in a big hurry and are patient, you’re dead. Plain and simple. You should know that, being a prior serviceman. I am as well.

          4) “Compare apples to apples, and the price tags when making those kind of remarks about a manufacturer’s product.”
          ***** You can’t really do this because no one else makes a handgun like this nor do they make one in the price range. That being said, you have to base your review off of their competitors.

          Note: I’m not a HiPoint basher. I really like the carbines they manufacture!

          • I am having trouble with all the negative posts about the Hi Point C9.
            The only problem I have is finding time to get it out and shoot it.
            It works flawlessly and is the most accurate hand gun in my arsenal and the most dependable.
            The only other problem is when I am able to get it out is it has enough recoil it bothers my wrist. Other then that it is the perfect gun.

        • Hi-Point put out new magazines at the end of 2011. The previous issue of the ears being in to much is gone. The writer of this article only wrote it to bash Hi-Point, nothing else. He obviously does not know anything about pistols and to even say publicly he couldn’t hit the target from 9 feet away should embarrass him. At 9 feet, nobody would even have to use the sights. The C9 I purchased last year is the one I use the most at the range. I own CZs, S&Ws, couple Dan Wesson revolvers, and each caliber of Hi-Point. I bought the Hi-Points because of the price and the fact they may very well be the toughest pistols out there. I love the weight. It is soooo balanced when I fire. They are pretty plain looking but who in the hell just buys pistols that look great but shoot like crap?

          • Brother…I agree with you 100%…I too have other handguns such as colt, walther, s&w, and Remington! This moron is on a product bashing mission and it aint working! If his bs is true, then he received the only lemon in a million, manufacturered by HP! Got my wife and son the c9 for Christmas and they’re depleting my fun account! This moron makes me ill…

        • Dale, it’s “astigmatism.” Not “a stigma.” And that’s not enough to move a headshot grouping into the middle-to-lower section of the chest.

      • Same brand, but different guns. He didn’t review the 9mm. The C9 is supposed to be a concealed carry pistol and it sounds like High Point failed on this particular gun. If anyone else has $155 dollars they could try it out for themselves and let us know if they have a better experience

        • I own a Hi-Point 9mm. I have had problems with rounds hanging up while trying to chamber them. It isn’t extremely accurate. On the upside(I guess) it’s affordable for someone buying a starter pistol.

          • Went out Sunday afternoon and shot off a few rounds of 115gr. Remington UMC jacketed hollow in my C9. I can honestly say everyone of the cartridges fired perfect. I was setup at about 15 to 17 yards off the target, and hit the bullseye once,and within the circles on the rest. For the money I spent on the gun and ammo, I’m pleased with the results. Hope you will to, check your sights and align the rear sight up or down right or left to see if that improves your shot.

        • I just bought one $200.00 had some trouble with jamming but was told to load fast and not slow. Yes it has a good kick and made my thumb bleed, have gotten use to that. I live in the woods and can discharge anytime just was told that it is new needs to be broke in. any help with your knowledge about this gun. Love the size and weight of this weapon.
          Alex

        • It’s a b.s review. Do the math on the claim of a 12″ point of impact error. The rear sight would have to be an inch too high to cause the gun to shoot 12″ low at 9 feet. This very obvious b.s. makes the rest of the review highly suspect.

        • I believe Benny’s long gone.

          BTW Doug, if you’d bought a Glock, Sig or whatever and it was faulty what would you do?
          Have them fix it for you, (which Hi-Point happily does for free), or go on a bitchy, whiny rant like you did here?
          Call them, Hi-Point will take care of you.
          I’ve loved my Hi-Point C9 for 5 years now and she shoots like a dream.

          Here’s a real review by someone with integrity. .
          http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/11/daniel-zimmerman/counterpoint-kevin-smith-reviews-the-hi-point-c-9/

        • I’ve had a c9 9mm for about 4 years now and it’s the most accurate pistol I have seeing how I shot the trophy bobcat in my county from 70 yards away, not only that it’s never jammed not once, it’s never felled to fire or faulted me at all…… great gun if I was gonna buy another pistol I would buy another c9 before I bought anything else….

      • Other reviews I’ve seen for Hi-point pistols have said that the magazine is the weakest component of the firearm.
        One guy said that after a few boxes of ammo that the magazine seemed to break in and work much better.
        If the magazine is junk, it doesn’t matter how well the weapon was made. It’s going to jam.
        I’ll be looking for after market magazines that may be more robust. We’ll see.
        Picking up mine tonight…

    • i HAVE THE 40CAL PISTOL HAD IT FOR 10 YEARS NOW NEVER HAD A JAM NEVER MISSED A BULLS EYE OVER 1000 ROUNDS SHOT IN IT AND IT STILL WORKS GREAT. YOU MUST NOT BE SETTING IT RIGHT OR MAYBE YOU JUST WANT TO GIVE THE WEAPON A BAD NAME FFOR HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR IT I HAVE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH MY 40 AND I WILL STAND IT UP WITH ANY OTHER PISTOL THATS OUT THERE!!!!!!!

      • I had a Hi-Point 40 cal, and it was horrible. I couldn’t get the gun to go through an entire clip without it jamming at least once. One of the rounds actually spun completely around backwards in the time it took the slide to go back and come back forward. To try and resolve this I contacted Hi-Point who told me to adjust the clip, which I did multiple times, to no avail. They then recommended I buy a new clip for the gun, to which my reply was if I have no proof it will fix the problem then why waste the money.

        • We own (6) HighPoint pistols and (4) carbines….we have never had one problem with our HP’s..,.frankly We dont believe you…wanna know why…..because HP wouldn’t have told you to purchase another mag! They would have sent you another mag without charging you a cent! Looks like you like to bash because you have nothing better to do with yourself….get a life!

        • To MICHAELLYONIS,
          If you hate it so much sell it. I will buy it from you just let me know how much and we can work out the payment?
          Michael Allen
          Green Cove Springs Fl

        • I don’t believe this…I know for fact if you would of called or reached out to Hi Point they would of sent you another Mag…I had a stiff safty a d they paid both ways to look at it with no Hesitation it was not stiff it was just the way it is….I have 3 Hi Points 2 pistols one Carbine and I stand by them….Company would of worked with you I Call B.S.!!

    • I disagree entirely with this review i hsve had my c9 for bout 5 months now n have had one issue the sights r off i will give it that ive had to shave down the bottom of my rear sight bcuz it aimed way to high so i had to fix that but ive never had a jam with a ten round mag fired back to back consistently my hands r not that big but regaurdless if u dont know how to hold a gun then ya it doesnt surprise me that u got bit the safty is no prob i can flip it with the side of my thumb n the trigger my 4 year old can pull he has his own 22 n 25 n i decided the other day to let him try my nine n he had a blast so again ur review sucks learn how to shoot n type fo that matter thanks have a great day.

      • Your 4 year old son has no business having his hands on empty firearms let alone a loaded one. He is much too young to fathom the danger involved. I would hope that you would rethink puting a deadly weapon in the hands of someone so young. There is no range that would let him on property let alone handle a wearon. I will pray that your stupidity is removed and a little common sense some how sneaks into your brain.

        • All my kids including my 4 year old shoots. My 4 yr old has shot my C9 as well (no jamming, issues at all)Of course they are supervised and taught. You go ahead and raise your kids but don’t tell someone else how to raise theirs. Welcome to the land of the free. Key words…Taught, Supervised, Land of the FREE. (I feel all family members need to be involved). P.S. I have 9 kids 4rs – 30yrs old – all respect firearms as they have been taught. Have a good day

      • hi point best handgun ever made made in the usa and usa got it right this time and when its comes to guns the uglier the better I love my hi point like my child that only i could love and it works just great could not ask for a better stronger friend and partner

    • I was watching Utube and it looks like Hi Point is almost indestructible, so I went out and picked up a C9 with a box of bullets and went to the range. At 30 feet I was smacking the bulls eye, I couldn’t believe the accuracy I was getting from this inexpensive gun, no problems at all, my hi point 9mm is a keeper, now I am thinking of getting the 45 caliber for fun.

      • I too am a believer in “you get what you pay for”!
        I was curious so I purchased the 45 cal. JHP. Damn, I was impressed bause we really beat the shit out of this so called piece of shit!
        TTAG, you are wrong, very wrong! It makes us wonder why you are posting such erroneous information about this weapon…..it makes us believe that your overstated negatives were funded by outside sources because of there exaggerated flaws. We purchase the 40 and 9 mm and they too are very reliable and we all agreed that the only flaw was that they are heavy….nooooo problem!
        We bet it sucks to be caught being a bold faces liar huh!

    • Your C9 must have been damaged in transit, to shoot that low. 6.34* to be exact! I have several HPs (and lots more hi-$ guns!) and all my HPs have been flawless right out of the box. Sights did need adjusted, but no FTE or FTF. You Obviously are a Moron 😛

      • I shoot fine with mine. It’s my stash gun and I have not had a jam yet with mine. I shoot Winchester white box and it eats it just fine. 4″ groups at 20 yards is plenty accurate for self defence.. It isn’t up to the quality level of my Colt, but my copy sure isn’t described in this review… My C9 doesn’t shoot low! I feel it was a bargain, I plan to get another one!

        • I have had my c9 for a little over 4 years now. I ask myself what did I buy when I first took it to the range. Since it has broken in and I tweeked the mags I think its great. No fails to feed or miss fires. I find the weight makes it very accurate at least for me it does. I did buy a Smith&Wesson 2 years ago it is smaller and lighte had the same problems with it cept for the mag till it broke in. I’m a little more accurate with the cp then the s&w but like them both

    • My friend had acquired one of these as part of a trade. He had disassembled it and couldn’t get it back together. After calling me, I agreed to take a look at it – after all, I’d never handled or tried to repair a Hi-Point. When he brought me the completely broken down pistol in a plastic bag, my first impression before even OPENING the bag was “is this a real gun”? After actually opening it and inspecting it I was horrified at all of the fail that made up this gun. The frame appeared to be ABS plastic and is apparently made by (sonically?) welding two frame halves together. In his particular sample, the frame halves were obviously misaligned to my naked eye. Huge nasty flash/weld marks covered every inch of molded plastic. The trigger appeared to be made of the same plastic and felt like the same kind of plastic Transformers were made from in the 80s. I reluctantly re-assembled the gun, then function tested it. The trigger wobble and break were so awful that it made me wonder if I had done something wrong during re-assembly. I stripped it back down and put it back together, taking my time to make sure that I did everything right.

      Good lord this gun is a piece of junk. I can’t believe that these are allowed to be sold to US citizens without a wrongful death waiver being signed. I’ve seen and worked on some horrible guns, but this one definitely takes the cake. It feels like a cheap airgun copy (not even a good one) – you know, one of those $15 springer jobbies that you can pick up from the flea market.

      The fit and finish were absolutely atrocious and the trigger pull seemed completely random – landing anywhere between 10-15 lbs by my estimation.

      Against my better judgement, I drove to the range with him. I steadfastly refused to shoot it and warned him against doing it himself. He managed three consecutive shots of quality US made 115gr FMJ ammo before the safety inexplicably broke and started jiggling in the gun. He actually tried to fire one more round off but instead of a bang, we were greeted with silence.

      Sometimes you overpay and sometimes you get a great deal. It is my firm belief that no matter what the price on these guns are, you are overpaying. Buy a used Eastern-Bloc beater for around the same price. I guarantee that it will be a better made weapon in every way. This handgun is dangerous and poor people who are trying to justify their poor purchasing decisions are the only ones who will defend it. Please do not trust your life or the lives of others by considering this an actual firearm. I am appalled that they are even allowed to sell these. I like quirky guns and not everything has to be a custom 1911, but I wouldn’t even qualify this as a real firearm. It’s best use would be as a training aid to show people what to AVOID when buying a handgun. Disgusting.

      • Sounds to me like you and your friend have zero business owning firearms. He disassembled a firearm with no knowledge of how to strip it and you attempted to reassemble it with that same lack of knowledge. Shockingly enough it failed to function afterwards. Clearly it was poorly made and the problems have nothing to do with you’re disassembly and reassembly. Makes perfect sense.

      • Clint, t’s a little scary that you and your friend are allowed around dangerous objects. Your trolling might mean something to the totally clueless but it won’t make a difference to those that know better or have an ounce of common sense.

        • Clint is one of the few people on here that know anything about guns , it’s obvious they are junk guns, anyone that says different is either to broke to buy quality , or a fool..

          • Jason, I didn’t expect a fool to reply, but you did. I shot mine for years and it was as reliable and as accurate as my Smith & Wesson. I am a better shot with my Taurus 38 Special but I don’t count it as it is from the 70s. The drawback of the C9 is that it is ugly and heavy.

    • I have one of these on my hip right now. Was contemplating buying it from a friend (he got it through a trade and hadn’t even shot it yet.) He loaned it to me to test out and see if I wanted to buy it. So I toss a magazine of hollow points in, chamber a round (eventually… it did not want to feed…), ejected the round and it jams, failing to feed the 2nd round in the magazine. I get it chambered, eject the round, and it fails to feed the 3rd round… and the fourth… so I get online to see if this is a common issue or if it just needs to be stripped down and cleaned. This review is the answer… The magazine is complete shit, though I have seen fixes for adjusting the spring for the magazine to get it to properly orient the round. Looks like I will be returning this to my friend and purchasing something a little (read: ANY) more reliable.

      • If you’re not willing to tinker with a pistol slightly to adjust for preferred ammo and possibly adjust for an abused magazine (sounds like the feed lips are slightly bent) I recommend you get a revolver. Problems with feeding some hollow point profiles is hardly an issue unique to Hi Points though.

    • Well I just spent An hour (I was bored today) read over most of the 680 reviews. Some to the point, some just STUPID.
      I was at the range (THUNDER GUN RANGE) in Porter, Texas. About two months ago I saw a young man with one of the new Hi point c9’s just plain Ugly. I began talking with him and two of his buddy’s during a no firing 3 minute break. Come to find out all three had Hi points. On the 5 point scoring each was consistently shooting 240/249 out of 50 rounds. that was great seeing I was on average of 220/230 best. I asked David Gomez (the oldest) If I could fire his down range after the break. I was aloud to and at 10 yards 10 rounds, 5 yards 10 rounds push out to 15 yards 10 rounds back in to 3 yard 10 rounds and last back out to 10 yards 10 rounds score 249. BEST DAY AT THE RANGE EVER. had one round catch the lower left line of the body mass dead center.
      I put my S/W 9MM in it’s case went home and ordered 2 Hi points from Sportsman’s Guide. When they arrived I took both to the range. loaded the 8 round clips (NO BREAK-IN) started shooting first was shooting dead on left right. but shooting 2″high at 10 yards.second shoots 1″ low Both where just minor adjustments the weight of the Hi point is like 29oz. / 16oz heavier than my S/W 9 at 13 oz loaded but I didn’t seam to have the drift from over compensating from the recoil of the lighter S/w. Just me but I realy like the New Hi Point C9. Find a friend with one and see for yourself.. I would have never bought a 145.00 weapon over my 450.00 S/W if I hadn’t shot one first and neither should you.

    • Your review is crap. I’ve owned three Hi Points. The one I have now will tear the center of a bullseye to shreds. I was told at my usual shooting range that I was no longer allowed to hustle guys on the range anymore. I would wait until someone said something about my “POS Hi Point” and then challenge them to put their money where their mouth was. Ten shots at 15 yards, for $50. Made a lot of money. Little babies would go up front and whine.

      I worked at a state prison that has a shooting range behind the admin building so officers could practice (no, I didn’t say it was inside the prison, so don’t pounce – it was well outside the prison walls). About 40% of the CO’s would bring a HP to practice with on the range and the best shooter of the bunch shot a HP regularly.

  2. Their PR peeps haven’t told me how to return the pistol.

    So, not even Hi Point wants their Hi Point pistols? That’s pretty awful.

    Very nice review. I completely agree, the similarities between this thing and a brick are astounding. The brick might be more accurate, though.

    • He gets a big “BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ” on that comment. Directions for sending in a firearm for service are in the owners manual THAT COMES WITH THE PISTOL.

      • Sorry for the confusion, Kevin. By “return the pistol” I’m referring not to returning it for service, but returning it to the marketing rep since it’s on “loan” for testing.

        Had I wanted the pistol serviced, you’re correct – I could contact Hi Point directly. One thing Hi Point definitely does right is offer an almost unconditional service warranty. It doesn’t matter if your the first or the tenth owner, if you have problems, they’ll take care of you. However, this pistol was on loan from their marketing folks (not owned by me), and not from Hi Point itself.

        I’ll make sure I’m clearer about that sort of thing in the future. Thanks for your comment.

        • But when you told the rep you were doing a torture test till destruction I can only imagine there was not a return ideal. I mean if your intention was to run it into the ground to the point of destruction, they cut it as a loss. If you really wanted to send it back you could have emailed the rep or contacted them some how instead of bashing the gun.

        • Shooting head shots and hitting belly from 9 damn feet. Are you that bad of a shot? Can you not see and adjust your aim? Do not, I say again, Do not want you with me in a serious situation where you may need to pick up an unfamiliar weapon that you cannot adapt to. Amazing, absolutely unamazing!!

        • I do technology product reviews as part of my job, and if I discover during the course of my testing that something is clearly not performing properly, I don’t just continue to bash it and complete my review. I give the vendor a chance to make it right, otherwise my review doesn’t accurately reflect the typical expected experience.

          If you want to be fair, I think you should send the pistol in for service and do your review again. I won’t be holding my breath though. Based on the way you handled the out-of-spec performance and the tone of your review, it seems as if your goal was more about being clever and less about being fair.

        • It is almost funny to see so much B.S. in one place! You tell the rep that you want to run tests on this gun until total destruction……and then you expect to get instructions on how to return the (destroyed?) gun?
          I get it, you just miss-stated? You just wanted to destroy the gun’s reputation, right?
          ell, you failed miserably on that one too.
          I shot so many rounds through my Hi Point 9mm, and I never had a single jam as long as I used quality new ammunition like “American Eagle”. However, I got to experience a few jams while using re-loads!
          By the way, my Glock 19 jammed more often than this High Point! I paid a heck of a lot more money for the Glock!
          As far as accuracy is concerned, you might have to learn how to aim! I shoot this High Point gun just as accurate as my Glock 19. It’s not the gun, stupid! It’s you!

        • Oddly enough after Ben sent me this pistol for me to review (where I had none of his issues) Hi Point contacted me themselves about returning it and even provided a label for shipping.

    • Hey nick mike and especially ttag……you weenies must have your heads where TT he sun Dont shine! I’m very particular of the weapons I purchase ie; Colt, Walter, Baby Eagle (s&w) and Browning. While at the range after returning from Iraq, I met a guy there whom had a 9mm, 40 and 45 cal. Having never seeing a hi point weapon of any cal, I was curious and inquired as to how much these hg cost. He offered to let me examine and fire all 3. Whoa…I was impressed…no miss fires , quick smooth and accurate! For the bucks, they are a steal! I now own all 3 and use them often than my others! Tag, you need to get your head examined as well as your eyes. It is quite obvious you had bad pre-conceived notions about your unprofessional examination of the HP 9. If you can’t hit a target 9 feet in front of you with your eyes closed then……..you are either full of crap or you really did have your head where it doesnt belong. I have never had a problem sending my guns back to hi point nor have I ever heard of anyone else ever having a problem dealing with HP! You really made a fool of your self on this one as well as your 2 cheerleaders , nick and mike!

  3. I agree Nick. You definitely would have had a better chance hitting point of aim by throwing a brick at the 3 yd target instead of shooting at it.

    • Might have had better luck by learning how to shoot before trying something as complicated as a review of a firearm too. Just sayin….
      I can hit a notebook size piece of paper at seven yards and not even use the sights and I’m a pistol newbie. Granted I’ve shot plenty of revolvers and many rifles but this C9 is my first semi-auto pistol. No need for sights if you know how to point your finger at something.

      • I have to add my two cents here…

        I recently purchased a High-Point JCP .40 S & W and I have exactly the same problems as described in this review. Before taking it to the range, being a used firearm, I made it a point of disassembling it for a thorough cleaning… which it desperately needed. My trigger was loose and floppy as described in the article so upon dis-assembly, I drilled out the mounting “pin” hole in the trigger itself and inserted a brass sleeve that I manufactured in my own shop. The trigger operates beautifully now.

        At close range ( 20′ to 30′ I’m not too anal about measuring off my distance ) my first 4 rounds hit dead home obliterating the bullseye on my homemade target, a 1″ dia red circle. However, the gun has not shot a round “on target” since. I own two AR’s and a Glock and am quite familiar, and skilled, with putting my rounds on the target, but this High-Point will just not cooperate.

        After expelling a shot, the rail “Pauses” momentarily whenever… causing me to wait for it to “ready” itself for the next shot. This could be a deadly inconvenience in a self-defense situation and thus makes the unit useful only for plinking purposes.

        Every issue explained in this review is dead on accurate with the pistol that I now own. I am sending it back to High-Point for inspection and repair.
        I intend to keep it, but I will not rely on it like I do my Glock unless, upon it’s return, it proves to be a reliable and accurate instrument.

        • You may have violated the warranty by working on it yourself. I own Hi-Points in 9mm, .40 S&W and 45 ACP and have never had a problem with any of them. Seems like I remember Hi-Point recommending against taking the guns apart to clean them. I have also had no problems with the carbines in the same calibers.

    • Not to get to technical, but a drop of 18″ (which looks about right) over only 9 feet being caused by a defect in the gun would imply that the barrel is canted in the slide by 9-10 degrees. A defect that great would be both visible to the naked eye AND cause the slide to lock against the barrel. Is it at all possible we might at least consider user error as a more likely cause than a mechaniclly impossible defect?

      • More like someone who is a glock fanboi with an axe to grind because the $129 C9 outruns his fancy glocks at the range!

        1600 rounds and counting in my C9, only cleaning has been run a patch down the barrel. I shoot at 20 yards with 8 inch steel flip down plates as the target and rarely miss. So you need to tweak mag lips a bit, takes 2 seconds and can be eyeballed.

    • this review was done by an idiot, you should not even be aloud review a cap gun, I could hit a 3yrd target with a spit-wad, you shouldn’t even be aloud to own much yet handle a gun of any kind, sounds like anyone with in 100 yrds should be afraid when you are shooting !!!

      • !! Welcome to the world of “Free Speech!” The meaing of your comments is uderstood but you need to re-lurn how ta speel… I mean spell! This thread has almost lost its meaning…maybe it is time to cut it lose!!

        • Eddie you are the very definition of IRONY.

          I’m no spelling police and honestly, it gets on my nerves when people pretend to be. But c’mon if you’re going to be “that guy” and not contribute anything meaningful to the conversation besides your spell check abilities… at very least don’t jack up your own spelling. LOSE means to not win. LOOSE as in cut loose is spelled with TWO Ls.

          …maybe it is time to cut it loOse!!

          Thank you and have a wonderful day officer spell check.

          • What has a word spelled incorrectly got to do with anything? I don’t get the connection. If that’s all you got to comment on then you’re on the wrong site… you need to go to “Writing for Dummies” I went there and obviously it didn’t help… I’m an old man so Frankly I really don’t give a flying crap how a word is spelled… I get close and if my spell check doesn’t pop up saying it’s the wrong word, well tough titty.Also, do you ever read some of the news articles on the net? Those people are way worse then me so obviously it really doesn’t matter… and they are paid to be idiots….

  4. Not that this is related to the trigger reset, but did you disassemble and buff up the mags at all?

    • I did not disassemble anything beyond what is recommended / instructed in the included manual. One of the things that failures have been attributed to in the past by other reviews, smiths, and the like has been people taking apart their Hi Points to clean them (a practice not recommended until 1500-2000 have been fired; prior to that, all that is required is a barrel brush and chamber swipe) and misplacing / incorrectly replacing the small plastic bits inside.

      On the feeding issue – Guns and Ammo Magazine ran a recent test “Trying to Break a Hi Point” and it seems to show the same slide operation issues. On the very first rack, they experienced the very same failure as I did. http://www.gunsandammo.com/video/handguns/reviews/torture-tests/trying-break-hi-point

      A point was made with regard to the mags, those I received were labelled as “Magazine for C9 / CF-380” – feeding issues may be related to the fact that the same magazines are used in both the C9 and the CF-380, but I cannot confirm this. No, I did not disassemble the magazines to buff them.

      • Since the pistol come swith one mag, could you share where the other SIX came from? Used, new, ordered direct from factory?

        • The pistol came from Hi Point’s marketing folks – and came to my door with 7 factory new, sealed magazines. TTAG requested the abundance of factory mags for the failure testing we had planned on doing. That testing never happened, it wasn’t needed.

      • I’ve had my C9 apart a few times and I found no ‘small plastic bits inside’. Much less misplaced any of them. There are a couple of levers and a few springs. It’s all really simple as a matter of fact. And this is the first pistol I’ve ever taken apart. Blow it out, run a brass brush up the spring channel, add a drop of lube here and there and the gun will not only function flawlessly it’ll be quiet also. They are fairly raspy right out of the box. And though it’s not as easy to take down as others are from what I hear, it’s still not difficult at all.

      • I just bough my hi point c9 the other day and when i was in the gun store i considered the cf-380. I looked closely at both of these guns and both of them in the box had different mags in them! IDK why your mags said “Magazine for C9 / CF-380″ maybe they are interchangeable but i also bought an extra mag for my c9 and all it said was “Magazine for c9” the pics in your blog look like a c9 mag as the mag i seen in the cf-380 had a weight on the bottom of it and the one for the c9 had the little curve for your pinkie finger. So i don’t know quite what to make of it. Also is it possible that since they knew you were going to destroy the gun that maybe they sent you a gun they knew had a slight defect? This could explain why the gun was so off target. And i don’t even know what to say about your issues with the safety.. What are you a 10 yo girl???? The safety on my gun is VERY easy to use and i can switch it quickly with my thumb…. I have taken my c9 out and put 100 rounds through it on the first day with zero jams and one ftf that i think was caused by the extra mag i purchased. I noticed that loading the new mag was quite a bit harder than loading the mag that came with the gun and i almost expected to have problems with it. Still after that one ftf on the first time i loaded it i had no more problems. I also found the gun was able to hit the bottom of a steal barrel that i had laid on its side 20 yards away very easily and consistently……. I was with a friend who was shooting his 9mm Ruger and we were both impressed with its performance (not saying that it out performed the ruger.. just saying it performed well for a 150 dollar gun) … I find your review to be COMPLETELY unfair… And since you never tried to destroy the gun i feel that you have a history of being dishonest since that is what you said you were going to do with this weapon.

        • Yes, the “review” was a complete joke. The 380’s, from the factory came with 2 mags. The one w/ the “weight”, is the extended, 10 rnd mag. The 380 & 9 mags, might be interchangeable, I’m not 100% positive. Haven’t checked them. After all, the 380 is a 9mm. If you continue to have trouble w/ a mag, send it back w/ a note and they will replace it.

    • My thoughts exactly, I can’t figure out why anyone would want one after holding one, very much like a brick, a good k-frame anyday, would obviously be the best choice

  5. J&G also has CZ-82s for $209.95. They’re 9×18 rather than 9×19, but it’ll work, both ballistically and mechanically. Pretty decent trigger, and can even be carried cocked & locked, with a safety that’s solid-feeling and ambidextrous. If that was what I could get, I’d carry it. It’s not even obsolete. CZ’s still making them in .380 as the CZ-83.

  6. Maybe it failed because you weren’t holding it sideways, “gangsta” style?

    • …with Brass Monkey in one hand and The Beastie Boys assailing your ears!

    • Or maybe it failed because he just doesn’t know enough about guns to adjust sights? Seriously go read his “range report”. The whole thing. Make sure you aren’t drinking anything when you get to the end….

  7. The C9′s slide borders on behemoth. Somehow, the folks at Colt had figured out how to make their blowback pistol slides not-so gianormous right around 1900 when they introduced the model 1903 and 1908 hammerless pistols. They must have been using technology from the future.

    To be fair, the Colts were made in .32 and .380, which are much less powerful calibers. In most guns made since the beginning of the 20th century, anything that was .380 and below was normally a straight blowback design, whereas anything that was 9mm or higher had to be a locked-breech recoil (or in some cases gas) operated design, for the very reasons you explain.

    The only straight-blowback 9mm’s I’m aware of (other than this hideous thing) are the carbines and Submachine guns that are heavy enough to carry the mass of a big, heavy bolt. Even the Volkspistole of the late 3rd Reich used a gas-delayed blowback rather than a straight blowback.

    • Also the C9 is +P rated (and, before any smart remarks are made, many a person has fired +P in them without getting killed, their hand blown off, or the pistol disintegrating).

      • Kevin, you’re correct. The pistol is rated and approved safe to fire +P ammunition. I neither got killed, had my hand blown off, nor experienced the pistol disintegrating in my hand. What I did experience was a firearm that didn’t “fire.” It shot Winchester White Box, Federal, some Hornady +P I had leftover, and Remington – and had equal issues with each.

        • Justin I suggest you spend some time reading gun reviews. details like this need to be IN the review, not the coments when someone gets on you (repeatedly) about not having done so. I suspect many of the people who have read the review have not read the comments and won’t ever read them. Experienced shooters will read this review and never read anything from TTAG again. At this point you can hope they are, but reallly more often than not they won’t.

        • If you had talked with the rep in any detail about the C9 they would have told you as they told me that the C9 does not like Winchester white box, Wolf, or any steel cased shell. I have put about 5000 rounds through mine with not one failure or jam. They only real problem that I have seen was with a friends magazines, we loaded them threw em them corner to loosen the tight springs and never had another problem. As accuracy I shoot mine with no problem at 50 and 100 yards and do just fine at hitting center mass.

  8. The H&K VP70Z. Less bulky, definitely reliable, not really made for target shooting, the first polymer frame pistol and now impossible to find spare magazines for, so it is a good thing I have 3. 9mm, 18 shot magazines, horrible sights and was only successful in its original form, the VP70. The VP70 had a detachable stock and fired in three round bursts. Blow back design, it’s like taking apart a Walther PPK. Definitely not a concealed carry piece, except maybe in a universal fit shoulder rig. It’s in that class that the Colt 2000 and eventually the Rhino will be in-curious fun shooters.

    • Wasn’t the VP70 a delayed-blowback, though? Either roller-locked like the HK rifles or gas-retarded like the Volkspistole?

      Straight-blowback means the only thing holding the chamber closed is the mass of the bolt and the force of the spring. For reference, most .22 semi autos are straight blowback and work fine because of the low power of the .22 cartridge.

      • I think you are right-delayed or retarded blow back. Still, maybe Hi Point should have found better materials and tried to copy a lesser boat anchor like the VP70Z!

        • The materials in the C9 itself are primarily one of three things – American 4140 Steel, DuPont Polymer, or ZAMAK (the same material of AR-15 lowers). I don’t think it’s a materials issue, they definitely picked great stuff to work with.

          • Another note about Hi Point before we descend too far into bashing – It’s an American company. Started by a man of “lesser” means. His intent was to create a pistol that didn’t break the bank but provided the shooter with a reliable firearm. Mine, obviously, didn’t meet that standard.

            They use 100% American parts and 100% American labor. They employ about 40 people, and from what I can tell do a dang fine job of being an American small business.

            I’ve got no beef with Hi Point as a company; it was the PR company that I had a negative experience with. Product wise, you can see in my review that I had plenty of issues with the C9 firearm that was sent my way to test.

        • Cujo-

          The VP70 was not delayed blowback or anything like that-it simply used a massive slide and fairly heavy spring to keep the slide in place until the pressure dropped to extract the round.

          Really, it’s the only thing out there that compares to the hi-point. Xbox huge slide, miserable sights, 20lbs two stage trigger…it didn’t even have a last round hold open. It’s the one HK that their fanboys don’t really like to talk about-trust me, I’m one of them.

          The P9s did use a roller-delayed system, much like the mp5. The p7 was blowback as well, but it used a very trick gas-delayed system, and is one of the best out there.

          • I still love her though. The VP70Z is a good tackle box or stow away in the bug out bag piece. I would only want to use it for close range defense. Interesting that it cocks the striker on trigger pull-repeated strikes without operating the slide. About the only common and brand name holster to fit it is Blackhawk’s SpecOps holster. As for sights, I had to get artistic and have red, blaze orange and red for the front sight.

  9. i have a hi point carbine and i can second the total lack of reliability, its pretty much the worst gun i own but i’m stuck with it because of the awful price i’d be quoted if i tried to sell it.

    • Trade for a C9 with seven magazines? I need to review the carbine for a larger piece I’m working and am pretty sure I’m no longer on the “let’s send this guy one” list.

      • He has a gun he says has function problems. He’s keeping it instead of sending it to a company with a LIFETIME guarantee to fix any such problems. And your response is “send it to me so I can do a review on it”? REALLY????

        • Well that’s why he can do a “quality” review and also be sure there isn’t any way for the gun to succeed. Sorta like “planned obsolescence”.

        • Again, sorry for the confusion on this issue – I am not keeping the firearm willingly. Please see my comment to Kevin in response to Foghorn’s initial post. I do not “own” the firearm so it is not mine to have serviced. That would be like borrowing a car from a friend and taking it in to have the windows tinted and the oil changed – not exactly kosher.

          By “return” I mean to return it to the marketing company, not Hi Point. Again, you’re also correct about Hi Point’s warranty program – something rare that they’re definitely doing right in the firearms business.

          • didn’t you specificlly tell them not to expect it back? And you haven’t yet addressed the uter and total unprofessonalism of asking someone to send you a gun you KNOW needs to be serviced so you can do a review on it….

      • You wrote, “I do not ‘own’ the firearm so it is not mine to have serviced” to justify not sending it in for calibration and updating your review, but you also solicited an offer to trade the same firearm you claim you do not own.

        If it’s not yours to have serviced, how is it yours to trade? Kind of seems like you’re just full of excuses.

      • Well what do you expect you moron! Are you sure you didn’t first toss it out of an airplane? Your evaluation is so biased and inaccurate that even a non seasoned gun owner can detect you motives! Show a little class and quit hidding behind your so called credentials (if you had any at all)! I am so grateful for owning three HP’s that give me 100% and better for the past 8 years! Are you sure you tested the HP instead of some other overpriced POS?

    • I bought a 995 carbine in 9×19. I’ve never had a FTF/FTE using all sorts of ammo. The thing is dead accurate at 25 meters. Yes the ergonomics suck, it is ugly as sin, and looks like it was designed by 8 year old boy. For 150 bucks, I think it’s worth looking at . Spray the chamber with CLP, run the bolt back and forth a couple times, and have fun. By comparison I also own a HK USC in .45 ACP and they are both a blast to shoot.

  10. As a side note, whenever I’ve had an issue just getting a round on paper to see how far off I am, I try a 4 point test. Aim 1 foot above target (not the center, but above the paper completely), then 1 foot left, 1 foot right, 1 foot low. One of the 4 rounds should at least nick the paper, telling you which direction to start fixing.

    However, in a defensive handgun, I’d be more than a little worried that you could not point-shoot at 3 yards and hit paper.

    • I’ve never read or seen anywhere that’s indicated that this gun is being sold for anything more than a recreational firearm. It’s only the fact that it’s a gun that has everybody thinking it should be able to function as something it’s not. It’s a gun, not a sidearm in the proper sense of the word. Would you even consider using one of those milsurp WWI pistols as a concealed carry weapon? Why not ? Because it’s a brick? Sorry …but DUH!!!

    • I have a Hi point C9 9mm and have shot it lots and can hit a six by six target at five yards. Yes it shoots a little low but if you can’t hit it at all I would say you need to do some Serious practice! I would recommend this gun to any one! yes it has it quirks but every gun does! I like it

  11. Oweee. Harsh! But truth hurts sometimes. Mr. S., you performed a valuable community service for many potential Hi-Point owners.

    I was actually going to buy one of these specifically as a gun I could use outside the home and not have to worry about. Now I can worry about it even less since I won’t be owning one.

    I about spit my lunch out when I scrolled down and saw the brick/brick comparison photo. If Robert ever decides to hold a TTAG “Best Of” photo contest, that one’s a winner.

  12. Hi-Point manufactures to a price point (maybe the company should change its name), so quality suffers. I have no doubt that if Ruger tried to produce a $155 pistol made with modern materials, the results would be similar. When the “system” is working as it should, we really do get what we pay for.

  13. I had just returned from FrontSight training when I took my Dad (and his Hi-Point) out to demonstrate what I had learned. Darned if I didn’t line him up at the 3,5,7 and 10 meter marks and watch him shoot 78 out of 80 with that big ugly thing (not timed, with two rounds at each distance). It is accurate, but he still had a number of failure to feed issues with it. I think I’ll have to convince him to get rid of it.

  14. Interesting how I keep hearing from Hi-Point owners how absolutely reliable their cheapo pistols are, and here I see a slightly different story.

    I tell them “you get what you pay for, just save up a little more and get a surplus ComBloc gun or a police trade in, you’ll be a million times happier!”.

    For that offense, I and other people who question the greatness of Hi-Point get labelled snobs… Sigh…

    • I keep hearing that the Hi-Point’s bad name is manufactured by Glock owners that can’t stand the cheap Hi-Point being more accurate than their own top dollar guns……

      • Honestly, we were all rooting for the Hi-Point, we really wanted it to destroy it’s previous rep. But when I shot this C9 I couldn’t hit paper at 3 yards and it jammed 2x in 4 shots.

        As a Glock fan boy, I can tell you that is why I didn’t like the Hi-Point. Not because it shoots better than my G19, because it doesn’t.

        • And are you the same “friend” at the range that failed to notice he had crnaked the rear sights clear to the bottom? Which wold be the caues of the pistol shooting low? Something literally anyone with ANY gun experience would notice? Really guys, stop defending this. You did a quick, terrible review on a pistol you were so sure was junk you actually worked hard to prove it. We all noticed, why don’t you just take it down and wait for somebody with real experience with a gun to report on it so we’ll all have an accurate picture? the longer you leave this up the wrse it gets.

        • I have seen hi-points in action….and I cringe when one is on the range. A Hi-Point fills the spot of its better than nothing and thats really what it aims for. People on a budget, people who don’t want to spend a lot on a gun, or people who want something to leave in the drawer just in case. A hi-point is not going to stand up to a Springfield, SIG, Glock, or a S&W (I am assuming I don’t have to mention something like a Kimber). That being said with the S&W SHIELD being so inexpensive at it is you have to ask yourself…..is your life really not worth $350 bucks? Honestly I could never in good faith let my mother defend herself with these pistols.

    • How many of you folks buy anything on just one half-baked review? Have you ever personally owned a Hi-point? I have a C9 because; 1) I couldn’t afford anything else. 2) They are cheap to shoot 3) They will shoot about anything I’ve put in the mag. Of course I didn’t know that firsthand before I bought one either. I know now because I tried it. I didn’t sit around pattin my Bud’s on the back and snortin about how them butt ugly things ain’t worth crap! I was shootin mine the other day along with my milsurp rifle at the 100yd range and hitting the paper (small bore 100 yd target)- yeah, at 100yds. Everytime. It’s also true I had it benched. I’ve got just over 350 rds through it and have had 1 handload problem, and a few failures to hold the slide back after the last round. I shoot WWB and Blazer alum. for the most part because they are cheap rounds. I wouldn’t expect any gun to be absolutely perfect right from the factory (and I’ve read about plenty of expensive guns being sent back). And despite what the factory say’s about the Hi-points and the initial cleaning it still needs to be done.

    • So, OK, you read ONE review and base your whole opinion on it? Lame. But you’ve heard from MANY people about how accurate and reliable they are and you disregard them. Your village called, they want you to come home.

  15. Well,.. I’m not sure this a totally accurate review. I mean the gun didn’t explode in your hand, so you didn’t get the total high point experience.

  16. Just sell it to a dope boy. They love those things. The Detroit Police evidence rooms are filled with those pieces of shit.

    • Yup they are and they sit right along side the tons of Glocks that they have confiscated, so what’s your point?

    • Sound like your affiliated with the Detroit Police Dept. As a law enforcement officer I would understand you wanting the best. But for the protection of your home, I would think the C-9 would work if it’s all you have at the time. You know as well as anyone, you need to become used to the gun your counting on for protection. You can ask 100 law enforcement officers nation wide on their views of the C-9 and get 10 different views. I would hope that if this is the ownly weapon in your arsenal you would take the time to find the best ammo and practice a lot to make this cheap weapon a gun you could count.

      • DALE You are an opinionated asshole…YOU are the center stage seeker…I know I know said I wouldnt but if you read above your sarcastic bs comment started this and I dont or wont back down from you. hope you get an AD with your HP LOL fool

        • At least my opinion doesn’t bash a gun maker in the United States of America. They have a great warranty program and stand behind it. Not all of us believe the the center of attention is as important as you do. Practical application,and practice of any weapon requires your complete attention to detail. As a former Navy enlisted service person during the Vietnam error, I was taught to be critical of my surroundings at all times. It was important to have the best ammo available, no matter what weapon was available. If a part wasn’t available aboard our ship, we made it. The C-9 is something that uses all American parts. So If I have this attitude toward your bashing American products that stress you out. Maybe you should go to your doctor and have a stress test. It sounds like the center of attention is on you bandwagon, not mind.

        • Sounds like Steve/S needs a timeout and a nap.

          BTW, there is no such thing as an AD.
          An ND(Negligent Discharge) I’ll buy, but why would you wish that on anyone?

  17. Great review, glad we at Guns and Ammo Warehouse could help (shameless plug). Of course you see why we rarely carry Hi-Points.

    • That’s funny, Hi-point can’t keep up with the demand and you are willing to miss out because you are ignorant? Yep, funny.

      Or did you purposely send him a faulty gun just so you were sure it would fail?

      • JRW – Manassas Guns and Ammo does not send me any guns. They’re my FFL, and handle my transfers. Thanks.

        • Doesn’t mean they don’t know how to screw with a gun. They admitted to disliking them. I’ll assume they’ve never given them a fair shake. Sort of like your review. Most shops that openly discount the effectiveness of them will admit that they haven’t actually SHOT one. They rely on hearsay and the reviews of incompetent writers for their information. Sad. Or they sell one to some imbecile that uses it as a hammer and brings it back and complains that the grips fell off. Just the fact that they would add this comment gives me pause. Shameless plug? Their whole concept was shameful.

  18. Interesting.

    I have the 995TS carbine and it runs like a champ, and hits where I aim it (out of the box it was shooting way right)

    The magzine it came with sucked (until I bent the feed lips), but the replacement and the other two I bought work fine. As do the 15 round aftermarket mags.

    But then again, when I looked at reviews, everything I saw said the pistols suck, but the carbines are ok.

  19. It’s time to test out the Hi-Point’s lifetime warranty and then continue with the destruction testing. Let’s see if Hi-Point can fix the problems with the pistol.

    I would be interested in their turn around time and service quality. The lifetime no questions asked warranty service is often touted by the Hi-Point fans.

  20. I apprehensively decided to get a hi-point a couple weeks ago and it shoots perfect every time, I manage to hit the target every time shooting at 5 and 10 yards. I’ve put 150 rounds threw it so far and it only had 1 miss feed on the last round of the second magazine. I’m glad I got it now, especially seeing some of the problems other people have been have with there higher priced pistols.

    • Glad you’ve had a good experience. Mine obviously wasn’t so grand. Enjoy it and keep practicing!

  21. This article takes part in too much petty elitism and condescending insults, which takes away from the credibility of the testing (which is a shame because the actual testing methods appear good). I’ve owned Hi Points for a decade, as well as my friends, and never once seen the malfunctions mentioned here. When I’ve shot Hi Points, they have gone bang when I wanted them to go bang, and not produced a malfunction. They make good truck guns. The grips are comfortable for first time shooters. The price is good for first time shooters. Let’s drop the elitism or we’ll wake up having lost our gun rights in 20 years because tens of thousands of would-be first time shooters decided to NOT buy an entry level gun such as a Hi Point (and then become active defenders of the 2nd amendment), and weren’t yet to the point of dropping four bills on a firearm, let alone $800 on a 1911 as some of us old timers will do. Drop the elitism. By the way, the notion that only blacks, or “gangstas” buy Hi Points is total crap.

    • T4 – Thanks for the note. Several have commented about the alleged overdose of humor and snark. I’ll take your comments into consideration. Stay tuned for further reviews coming down the pipe. There are some interesting things in my safe on T&E loan at the moment!

    • T-4 : I agree with you, The first time gun buyer’s have a difficult task when it comes to buying that first handgun. They could start with the heavier C-9 and get used to it’s weight and shooting style. Have the clip or magazine adjusted to keep it from jamming by a good gunsmith with a positive fill for the C-9 and become total happy with their purchase. The future of the 2nd Amendment is only going to stand the test of time if the numbers are there to support it.

  22. I had a Highpoint (repeat HAD) and I kept it for several years for 2 purposes 1. it was a good gun to practice misfire/malfunction drills with, because it always did, 2. What a better way to let people decide if they should buy one than let them try it out for themselves.

    When I got rid of it I got the value of the ammo and brass that I included in the trade for it, or more correctly I through it in with some ammo and brass when I got out of that caliber.

    • That’s a FANTASTIC idea. Since my Kimbers and Glocks never misfeed/misfire we usually put a dummy bullet in the mags (loaded by a friend) this leads to loading several magazines for your friends and mixing them up. I will be putting an ad in the paper, “wanted, used high point c-9 that jams every few rounds for tap-rack-bang practice”. That would save me so much range time what with those pesky reliable pistols…

    • So, when friends want to borrow your car, do you loan them your broken down Honda Civic? The one that’s still under warranty, but you won’t get it fixed because you just want to irritate your friends? Your story makes no sense.

  23. I worked at a public range in the mid-90’s for 2 years. When we got flagged down by customers on the range who needed help due to a problem with their pistol, the one pistol that was by far the most common was the Hi-Point. It was always feeding problems, so we’d look at it then ask them when they cleaned it last. The usual response we got was that it was brand new at which point we’d refer them to a gunsmith. My co-workers noticed the same thing so the Hi-Point handguns became the but of our jokes.
    Having been used to handling other steel framed pitstols, I also noticed that whatever kind of metal they were using at the time just felt different compared to the other pistols by brand name manufacturers.

  24. Hey Lee I have to agree with you about the higher price pistols. I have a hi point 9mm carbine, 40 cal pistol hi point, and now the c9. I have had great luck with these guns I guess. I will so impressed with the 995ts when I shot it that I decided to try the pistols. The pistol shoot on target for me. Yesterday I shot the c9 at 25 yards and I got all my shots in the black and two right on the bullseye. I did make it jam purposely by limp wristing it. The hi point is just like the desert eagle, keltec 380, in ragards that you must hold them tight. If you dont then it wont feed correctly.

    I am happy that hi point is usa made and I hope they do well. I would not decide to not get a hi point because of this article. There are plenty of positive articles out there. Plus, when I’m out at the range I get a lot of people asking me what I’m shooting. I let them fire a few rounds and they are impressed. Infact, most of them now owns a hi point. Take care and God bless the USA.

  25. Sorry dude, you lost me pretty fast on this review. I don’t own a C-9 and have never even fired one, but I do own a 40 JCP and it has never jammed, failed to fire, and after I adjusted the sights on the first mag I’ve never had accuracy issues. But here’s the issues I have with the review:
    – you talk about the slide rubbing your hand, but in the top pic shown in profile it is obviously not. It also isn’t in yor video.
    -the camparision to a brick was silly and immature, by the time you get to the accuracy issue I’m not taking you serious.
    -the pistol is grouping well, but shooting low consistently. You say you adjusted the rear sight, how much of the front sight are you getting in the sight picture? If it’s just the very top that would cover the explanation for your issue. can’t say that what happening, you were to busy being snarky.
    -no mention of the ammo brand, bullet weight, or whether it is low powered, standard velocity or +P. Low velcodity ammo is less likely to cycle in a a blowback design.
    -2 of your three errors on feed occur when your racking the first round. Your style of doing this looked odd, barely drawing back and pushing down. Then it lets go with a light tap (I’m glad you got it on video too). Since it looked nothing like how I’d ever racked the slide on my 40 JCP I went and tried it. 3/5 times doing it your way (the way I’d never seen anyone else do) mine failed to release the last round hold open. In yor close-up the round doesn’t look jammed in any of them you did, it looks like the slide isn’t going forward.
    – no mention of the source of you seven mags, whether their new/used, stock, or after market.
    Though you claim you wanted your review to come out opposite, that you really wanted to say it was a relieable gun, the impression I got was just the opposite. given the diversion from other reviewers methods and results, I’d have to say your review is of little worth to anyone wanting serious, non-bised advice on a Hi-Point.

    • And that safety you say is hard to operate and reach from a firing grip is right under your thumb knuckle in the pic where you compare your firing grip on a brick to your firng grip on the C-9. IT’s right where the easily operated safety is on my 40 JCP.

      • Kevin,

        I’ll let Ben defend himself on most of your points, but I will say that I shot this pistol with him prior to the video he posted for the review. We were shooting 115gr Independence 9mm FMJs and both of us had trouble hitting paper @ 3 yds no matter which way we adjusted the rear sight. This was not the case when we shot our carry pistols. FWIW the magazines were all OEM Hi-Point mags shipped to us from the manufacturer.

        • Sorry dude, you can say all you want now. Not gonna convince me this isn’t just a hatchet job. Maybe if he’d taken the review more seriously to begin with he’d have some credibility. Tell ya what, have him box it up and send it to me. If I get the same results (which at this point I sincerely doubt) I’ll gladly post detailed videos of the failures. and I’ll take it seriously. At this point I don’t think I could take any review posted on this site seriously.

          • I’m sorry you feel that way Kevin. Some guns work well, some don’t. It doesn’t matter who the manufacturer is, if it doesn’t function well we tell the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.

          • Ryan, I will be reviewing this same exact pistol. I will see if the aspects of this review that I dispute hold true, but I have noted several inconsistencies that concern me. At the least any review of a pistol shold specify the brand, weight, and style of round used. It shold probably also use multiple brands and styles. I certainly won’t test it any other way.

        • You might try Speer Gold-Dot ammo in your C-9, I fined it is the best of 5 different brands I’ve tried. Speer 147gr. and 124gr. JHP seem to really work nice, with great groupings.

        • You guys want a real review? Send me the gun, I’ve looking for a gun to play with. Im getting my foid soon which means im a noob. Ill be with a friend who is a collector of many guns and ill give an honest opinion of all the good and the bad. Email me at [email protected]. lets gets this straight.

          • I’ve been shooting Hi Points for a long time. NRA Instructor with all pistol certs and a armed securit/LE instructor in Illinois. VERY fond of the 9mm and 380. Same gun, different calibur. As A matter of fact, as part of my instruction program, I prove you can shoot 380’s in a 9mm. August 23/24/25, 2013 took my CF380 to a a 500 round tactical shoot. The range was sand based, so mags were getting extremely dirty and grimy. All kinds of guns there, all kinds of dirt related stoppages. My 380 shot and shot with just 1 failure to feed. Got home, tore the gun down and it was so full of dirt and crap, it shouldn’t have shot. On top of that, the fireing pin was bent Straightened it out and shot it, NO PROBLEMS. Called HI Point, they had me a new firing pin and spring set in 3 days. I have approx 3000 rounds through my 380. Would I trust my life with it YES! There is an honest review.

  26. Go back to your Colts and Kimbers and leave the Hi Points to those of us that know how to make them work and shoot them with great success. A smart assed review does not an unbiassed review make.

    • I agree with getting to know how to shoot this C-9 pistol. Once you’ve become familiar with any weapon, it makes a lot of difference in the guns performance.

  27. I read this review, shaking my head in dismay pretty much from the start. So let me get this straight. An “aspiring” gun-writer contacts a firearm manufacturer and asks for a free gun to keep. By some stroke of luck, or maybe a misread inter-office memo, you end up with one. Then you take this free pistol, straight out of the box, and come up with a wide and varied bunch of complaints about it that, to those of us with lots of experience, look like no more than an unskilled marksman’s first attempts at shooting a semi-auto. First off, proper grip is imperative, any experience shooter knows and lives that. Your grip with the web of your hand up on the slide is, dare I say it, yes I do… purposely done for this review. I am 6’4″, 225 lbs with hands that I can’t fit into extra large gloves, and I regularly shoot my C9 Comp model with the 8 round magazine. I even manage to easily use the safety with my 51 year old hands that have mild arthritis. I have two Hi Points, among many other firearms (03FFL holder and CCW permit) and while I won’t concealed carry them, I do shoot them at the range quite regularly, where they perform perfectly. Now, granted, I have done work on them. Get real, they are 150-160 dollar pistols, made with machine stamped parts. They need a fluff-n-buff to perform at their peak. A bit of time with a scotchbrite pad on the inside edge of the sear and trigger levers alone will ease that trigger pull nicely. The mags ARE the weak point of these guns, whether it be the pistol or the carbine. Sharp edges on the ears and random width settings really mess with performance, but nothing a $10 pair of Harbor Freight calipers and fine grit sandpaper won’t fix quickly.
    The biggest problem with these firearms are that they are so inexpensive. People who, truthfully, can’t operate a can-opener buy them, don’t know diddly about maintenance or HOW to shoot, then complain loudly when the pistol mis-feeds, usually because they rode the slide forward instead of pulling it back and letting it fly!
    Both my C9 Comp and my .40 JCP are dead nuts accurate, more than any of my locking breech pistols. I can easily put ten rounds into a 6 inch circle, rapid firing at 7 yards, and I am admittedly not an expert marksman, usually scoring a couple point below expert on my military qualifications.
    Now, the biggest problem with this “review” is that it is just a bunch of horse manure, really. Google any semi-auto, from Glock (kabooms) to Rugers to S&W’s and you will find people with problems, some minor, some very dangerous. If a “reviewer” isn’t experienced enough to know that proper break-in of a weapon isn’t a paramount issue, then they really don’t need to be doing so-called reviews, period… your statement that the C9 has a profile exceeding full size handguns is a tad misleading. Laid on top of one of my S&W Sigma’s, it’s pretty much the same size, although thicker. Also, an experienced shooter would know that the 9mm is a “snappier” round than the .45, but some think bigger they are the harder they shoot, which is not always true.
    One final point I’d like to make as well. Experienced shooters will NEVER judge the performance of a handgun based on one brand or type of ammo. Pretty much all the semi-autos I own, of various manufacturers, prefers certain brands and bullet weights over others. One of my “high dollar” semi’s will malfunction every shot with a 155gr bullet weight, but perform perfectly with 180gr in any brand.

    • Bruce I hardly EVER REPLY TO THESE OR ANY FORUMS. But YOU sir….could be the most articulate ,fair and independent firearms reviewer on the planet …you told it like it was ..no BS crap or KRAP… “JUST THE FACTS” I commend you sir for your truthfulness regarding the C-9 I just traded an old 20 ga bolt shotgun for a c-9 and I WILL let you know the true results using several if not 6-7 brands of ammo and different weights .BRAVO to you!

    • Finally someone who is honest,and knows it takes breaking a gun in and cleaning it properly. Ammo is so important if your counting on it to save your life, really doesn’t matter what gun you fire. I’m 61 and served my country, with Marksman,Sharpshooter,and Expert during the Vietnam Error. Thankyou for your honest review, I too have large hands and don’t have any problems with my thumb getting in the way. It would be easy enough for those who bend their thumb.

  28. I own a C9. I picked it up on 2008. Until I had gotten about a hundred rounds through it, I had some stovepipes. But after breaking it in, it’s a champ.

    I qualified with it and other guns here in Nevada for CCW. I qualified at 10 yards and out shot two former cops who were shooting Glock & Smith & Wessons.

    My groups were tight and deadly with the C9.

    Also used to own a 995. And scoped, that thing shot the head off a pin from just about any distance under 100 yards.

    I hear conflicting reports from other owners. Some guys have GREAT results and swear by their HP’s. Others seemingly have horrible results. At this point, my thoughts are that each HP must have it’s own personality and nuances. That must account for the difference in experience.

  29. Well said Bruce! I would someday like to become diplomatic like that. But for now I just say it like I see it and I see a scam perpetrated by a ‘Weapons warehouse’ on a unsuspecting aspiring writer who fell for it. For what reason’s I can’t say. But if one review of ONE gun is enough to turn the minds off of any semblance of open mindedness of any one of these fellows then they weren’t open minded in the first place. It appears as though none of them have ever owned a Hi-point much less seen one in person or fired one so they make childish claims based on the few calamities that they’ve seen on youtube (or where ever) that these guns are unreliable. Maybe they aren’t as reliable as a $1000 dollar gun, But you know, I could crucify all the Kimbers out there too because a friends Kimber jammed three out of five shots when I went to the range the last time with him. So I guess ALL Kimbers are junk. Hmmm….Nobody would believe that because that gun cost a grand. So I guess ya’ll can live in your little shangrila and believe what you want. I paid $136 dollars for my gun and am completely satisfied with it. Besides, if ya’ll want to have a one bullet shootout I’ll step out with ya.

  30. I adjusted the lips on all 6 of my mag’s and polished the feed ramp, after that I have had no problems with my C-9. I also qualified for my CCW with it at 7 yards. When parts wear out, I call Hi Point and they send me the parts I need, free of charge. I did send it back after I had it over a year and they replaced the barrel and all the inter parts, sent it back to me with a free Mag as is there practice, all at no charge. Is it heavy? Yes it is, it’s also $150. As for the slide rubbing against, and trying to take off the skin on the top of your thumb, I have never had that problem. Also, for me,, I feel like the safety is in a good place, It’s easy to engage and disengage with my thumb, but then I am right handed.
    As for your statement “this gun was shooting no-where near point of aim”,, A little practice might help fix that problem.

    • Can you be any more vague? Seriously though, what are your specific complaints about this review? OTHER than the alleged bias, which I can only assure you was not in play here. Is there anything factually inaccurate in what Mr. Shotzberger wrote?

      • You mean other than the statements regarding slide bite, (you can’t get your hand into that position unless you just pick up the thing by the rear of the slide… I know, I pulled my C9 out and tried it, that picture is a blatant misrepresentation of any grip that any shooter would ever use!) difficult safety, profile, his horrible testing procedure (one ammo only?) and the non-factual statements that had nothing to do with the actual testing of the product? Well, other than all that stuff it was… well, it was what it was.

  31. Yes Bob, theres lots of factual inaccuracies in this supposed review. Lots of asinine remarks and opinions is what this “review” is comprised of. I’ve owned a c9 and it functioned very well. I was shooting fist sized groups at 7yrds. The only reason I sold it off was to fund another gun purchase. I had slide bite once when I first got it,(used a high hold, caught the webbing between my thumb and index finger) but a change in my grip and all was well. Shooters adapt to firearms, not the other way around. All things mass produed are bound to have a problem here or there. I had a brand new Springfield XD9 that had problems the first range session. I sent it back to Springfield and they fixed it for me. Should I slander them because a brand new gun was unreliable? Every gun has a break in period, you can’t shoot 100rds and judge how a gun will perform, any experienced shooter knows this. If the gun wasn’t operating properly, it should have been sent back and remedied instead of being immediately bashed. Theres tons of information from sites dedicated to this brand about issues that may arise, as there are for every other gun manufacturer out there. Perhaps if the author had taken the time to research more about potential problems beforehand, he would’ve known how to remedy it or would’ve sent it back and then conducted his test when it returned. If anyone wishes to be non biased and wants to see the other side of the coin, theres a muti vid torture test on youtube. Here is the link to video 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg As you will see in the video, the results are the exact opposite of the authors.

  32. Firstly, you have to smarter than the gun. If it shooting too much to the left, adjust the sights. I don’t care how expensive a gun is, there’s always going to be someone bashing it.
    Don’t think you’re the first to bash the HiPoint, many have beat you to it. Put one of those hot loads in your Glock and then count all your fingers.

    Mech

  33. I’ve got to admit that I’m sort of astonished to see such a lack of objectivity in the musings of a self proclaimed aspiring journalist. I’ve owned a Hi Point C9 pistol and 995 carbine for almost eleven years now and have been nothing but satisfied with them. Last year I added yet another C9 to the gun cabinet.

  34. I really can’t find words to express my dismay with this “review” of the HP C9. I don’t mean I’m dismayed by the HP’s performance…I am dismayed… no, I think disgusted is a better word…yes, I am disgusted that any man who thinks he is a gun writer cannot hit paper at 3 yards with ANY gun, nor adjust his grip or sights properly to operate the gun effectively.

    Not to mention comparing small caliber blow back pocket guns to a 9mm blowback, and then thinking that the disparity in weight of a .32 Colt slide vs. the HP justifies him acting like a self righteous prig when discussing the large slide necessary for the 9mm’s far higher pressures.

    Check out ANY of the HP user websites; they all talk about the need to tweak the magazines, and they all talk about break-in. Apparently, you were so busy planning your hatchet job, that you didn’t bother doing any research beyond finding some slurs you could use to negatively describe the gun?

    I’m sorry…you need to aspire to be something other than a gun writer; or you need to do some serious work on your knowledge of guns.

  35. The statements in this review that did not make sense made me re-read it several times. I now have a couple of questions for the writer.
    1. Did you install the Ghost-ring sight before going to the range, or just adjust the dot rear sights in? Because, in the pic where you compare it to a brick, the sights appear to be adjusted ALL THE WAY DOWN. this will produce patterns that are too far DOWN.
    2. What grip are you using? the pic of your hand being bit does not match any grip i have seen, as the top rear of the frame is completely covered by your hand. this will cause slide bite from ANY automatic, from 1911, to Glock, to Beretta, and yes to Hi Point. Blaming this pistol for this is like blaming your coffee table when you stump your toe on it. This weird grip may also explain why you cannot work the safety.
    3. How is the firearm remotely related to a brick? the average brick weighs 2.7 kilograms. that is slightly over 95 ounces. Loaded, the Hi Point pistol weighs 32 ounces, almost a third less, but as you state, unloaded it weighs 29. By, comparison, the Glock 19 weighs 29 ounces Loaded and the Ruger P89 weighs 28, again loaded. 2-3 ounces are not that much of a difference.
    4. the trigger pull, did you measure it? usually, my .45 and .380 break clean at 4 and 5 pounds, respectively. the 9mm and the .380 are the SAME, except the barrel is chambered differently. Glocks normally range between 7 and 8. You claim this 9mm to be 9. That is still pretty light.
    5. You stated “If it continues to be uncooperative and non-responsive, you can empty 60 rounds into it in seven seconds . . . I mean “tap” it to correct the issue.” What does this even mean? It is a complete contradiction of itself!
    You really need to keep that 9mm and practice using a Semi-automatic handgun. this will show you the correct grip, stance and functions that only come with actual firearms experience. That way, the next time you do a review, you can do it correctly.