Kinda no-brainer, but it always bears repeating, I suppose.
Keep your EDC gun bone stock OEM, or if you must have a component upgrade (RMR, sights, trigger), pay the extra money to have a licensed gunsmith do it, even if you have the ability to do it yourself. That will help to stave off arguments from a zealous D.A. that you fired a gun that wasn’t carried as designed by the manufacturer, which might shift some of the blame from even the most obvious “justifiable defense” case onto your shoulders. This is exactly how car insurance attorneys haggle over increments of “percentage of fault” to save money on payouts.
In other words, don’t install a “Come At Me Bro” engraving on your slide and a 3-lb match trigger.
Sounds like a “well…duh” kind of thing, but I’ve seen people carrying guns with that sort of stuff.
And those that think “It won’t happen where I live” should keep in mind you may not always be there if you need to use it.
I would be fine with junk like that where I live (Polk county, with Sheriff Grady “Because they ran out of bullets” Judd) , but I travel about the state. Orlando and Miami are Leftist Scum-controlled areas, with corresponding Leftist Scum elected DAs.
As for the Come At Me Bro I purchased a sealed Anderson lower receiver and it had “Don’t Tread On Me” on the side of the mag well. Too late and too much of a hassle to undo paperwork so I used a brush and Brownells Aluminum Black to scrub the White off or perhaps it turned the white black. Looks mucho better, impression of the words and snake remain visible without the bling.
Haz, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. I’d never engrave “Bro” on a firearm but I have had a conversation with this very subject with Ayoob. For decades he’s preached “Don’t alter your defensive firearms.” Yeah, whatever. Men have customized their weapons since the dawn of time. I think I’ll continue to do the same. Oh, the lawyers. I’ve delt with them for decades also. They don’t scare me. Haven’t for a very long time. Besides, most of them I spoke with weren’t really all that smart. Here’s the answer to everything they ask you that they can’t do shit with. “I don’t remember.”
Maybe not so good there…although if I was given to ornamentation, that would be a cool touch of bling. Not unlike those “I shoot first and ask later” types of signs people put out front.
Besides, that stupid shit doesn’t even look good. You want your handgun to really look good? Try tasteful engraving. Ivory grips. I see a skull on a man’s handgun I dismiss him out of hand. Even my 25 year old son knows better than to put that Punisher crap on his pistols. If he did he’d find himself, and his firearms, sleeping in the yard. It’s supposed to be 32 tonight.
have these on 75c. https://www.marschalgrips.com/
have to say tho, i’m good with the hard rubber cz grips; the plastic ones gotta go. the vzg10 stuff is fine, but i don’t really get the alum stuff. seems weird.
Let’s be real.. Even an American flag logo could be grounds for a commie prosecutor to charge you with defending your life. Stop sounding like a bunch of slaves and live life the way you want. If you’re worried about being alive and behind bars for lawful self defense then don’t carry your gun. Marxists are gonna marxist no matter how far between the lines you color. Complying with them isn’t going to make it take longer to get to the cattle car stage.
And… I don’t actually have any aesthetic upgrades to my guns besides maybe some fairly tasteful paint and/or authentic or useful slings. My pistols sport holster marks alone because stickers are for race cars.
Tho, I suppose the argument could be turned around on the prosecutor…
LEFTIST SCUM PROSECUTOR: “So, Mr. Haz,” (holds up bagged and tagged Exhibit A for the jury to view) “we see here that you had an American Flag custom engraved on the slide of the gun you used in the incident…”
ME: “Yes, sir, I engraved the flag representing the same Country and Constitution you swore an oath to uphold in Court…”
Tell me though…
Where were the Spartan helmets and punisher skulls on Rittenhouse’s rifle?
They don’t need a themed gun to take you down. Save that stuff for your collections, show pieces, and range guns. I think it’s ridiculous but then I wouldn’t be waving a Gadsden flag infront of my home either.
I got a better question! The AR the dumbass persecutor was waving around in court had no sights. Tell me Kyle did not make such a giant noise for the cause of self defense without sights on the gun!
Haz, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. I’d never engrave “Bro” on a firearm but I have had a conversation with this very subject with Ayoob. For decades he’s preached “Don’t alter your defensive firearms.” Yeah, whatever. Men have customized their weapons since the dawn of time. I think I’ll continue to do the same. Oh, the lawyers. I’ve delt with them for decades also. They don’t scare me. Haven’t for a very long time. Besides, most of them I spoke with weren’t really all that smart. Here’s the answer to everything they ask you that they can’t do shit with. “I don’t remember.”
I can’t speak for Haz or even Ayoob but I don’t see any reason not to alter a carry gun. But I also see no reason to take something of this kind of serious and dress it up with cartoon characters to tell the world that the owner of this gun is a man child stuck in his youth and can’t grow up. Taking a hunting rifle and cutting an elaborate picture of a deer in the woods into the stock is reasonable. Telling the judge you did not mean to shoot someone with a gun covered in skulls is just plain stupid. Engrave your gun with gold inlay and give it stag grips from an Elk that you took with it and make it special and valuable. Change a spring to lighten the trigger. Get some Hogue grips for better control. But let’s keep it real.
I can certainly see making a firearm resemble a Nintendo Zapper but using it as a defensive weapon is not going to make you look good to anyone.
I haven’t had to shoot anyone in the past 60 years since I was 15, don’t plan to in the future. Still, I guess I could find better things to spend money on.
A lot of the junk people put on guns is stupid and pointless, as well as possibly problematic. Upgraded sights or a red dot not so much. Gotta admit I am curious about why they pulled the red dot off the Rittenhouse AR before it showed up in court, also noticed the sling came up in court but not the red dot.
And so, instead of altering the evidence box to accommodate the most popular rifle ever sold, they just altered the actual *evidence*? That should have been a mistrial all by itself! I guess it’s a good thing the box was long enough, or they may have simply installed a pistol barrel on the gun, making Kyle *guilty* of one of the original charges.
I’ve carried the same 1911 for decades. Only non standard parts are the nice wood grip slabs. Much nicer than the black Bakelite that was on it when I bought it.
Never cared for much embellishment on my guns. Although I do have a very nicely engraved Winchester1873.
Unfortunately there are some evidences that you cannot hide from the prosecutor in the event of a defensive firearms use, the most powerful being: “Your ancestor came from Europe”.
Having said this, unless one is a professional defense operator, a defensive EDC firearm is a rather blunt tool to be used in an emergency and, sadly, to be taken away from your hands afterwards. It will most likely be seized by the authority investigating the incident, kept as a piece of evidence for G_d knows how long. Possibly there will be a good chance that, in a way or another, you won’t see your iron anymore.
Thuys I’d leave any (likely expensive) customisation however (dis)tasteful to the BBQ, sporting, hunting or collectible firearm.
Nah, conflict requiring combat is extremely unlikely for most of us, I want my best equipment if it ever happens, and if that means I lose it after the fact, my expenditure was justified. I went to war twice, Vietnam and Gulf I, and both times let myself be intimidated into leaving my Python behind, as personal weapons were not allowed. Both times I found out afterward that nobody really cared what I took with me, but likely I wouldn’t be able to bring it home. Especially in Vietnam, I would have happily given up that Python to have had it in my shoulder holster every day instead of that beat-up S&W Combat Masterpiece.
If you think Chingachgook’s rifle was dolled up, you shoulda seen his ‘hawk. To him (and all those Mingo “warriors” he brained), the frillies were big medicine and an insult to the fella receiving the ball or blow, as the case may be. Never set much store by such things myself, letting Killdeer do the talking in plain lingo, but that’s their nature.
My wife and I attended a class done by a local attorney who recommended against alterations and bling. Something about how engraving “Do you feel lucky, punk?” on your slide, cutting slits in your bullets and notches in your grip, and installing a 2 lb. trigger, can point to intent. Makes his job more difficult (i.e., expensive).
“these sorts of things have been used against defendants’ claims of self-defense in court”
not to mention internet posts.
But..but…it came that way!
https://www.sigsauer.com/p938-spartan-ii-micro-compact.html
Anything that can be used as a smoke screen WILL be! I put flowers and bunnys on mine!
use a pink gun.
That might work out if you’re going for the insanity defense.
Kinda no-brainer, but it always bears repeating, I suppose.
Keep your EDC gun bone stock OEM, or if you must have a component upgrade (RMR, sights, trigger), pay the extra money to have a licensed gunsmith do it, even if you have the ability to do it yourself. That will help to stave off arguments from a zealous D.A. that you fired a gun that wasn’t carried as designed by the manufacturer, which might shift some of the blame from even the most obvious “justifiable defense” case onto your shoulders. This is exactly how car insurance attorneys haggle over increments of “percentage of fault” to save money on payouts.
In other words, don’t install a “Come At Me Bro” engraving on your slide and a 3-lb match trigger.
Sounds like a “well…duh” kind of thing, but I’ve seen people carrying guns with that sort of stuff.
And those that think “It won’t happen where I live” should keep in mind you may not always be there if you need to use it.
I would be fine with junk like that where I live (Polk county, with Sheriff Grady “Because they ran out of bullets” Judd) , but I travel about the state. Orlando and Miami are Leftist Scum-controlled areas, with corresponding Leftist Scum elected DAs.
So, bone-stock shall my carry be…
As for the Come At Me Bro I purchased a sealed Anderson lower receiver and it had “Don’t Tread On Me” on the side of the mag well. Too late and too much of a hassle to undo paperwork so I used a brush and Brownells Aluminum Black to scrub the White off or perhaps it turned the white black. Looks mucho better, impression of the words and snake remain visible without the bling.
Haz, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. I’d never engrave “Bro” on a firearm but I have had a conversation with this very subject with Ayoob. For decades he’s preached “Don’t alter your defensive firearms.” Yeah, whatever. Men have customized their weapons since the dawn of time. I think I’ll continue to do the same. Oh, the lawyers. I’ve delt with them for decades also. They don’t scare me. Haven’t for a very long time. Besides, most of them I spoke with weren’t really all that smart. Here’s the answer to everything they ask you that they can’t do shit with. “I don’t remember.”
I guess the Lone Wolf barrels with “Smile. Wait for flash.” engraved on the muzzle are out?
Maybe not so good there…although if I was given to ornamentation, that would be a cool touch of bling. Not unlike those “I shoot first and ask later” types of signs people put out front.
My favorite (extremely stupid) yard sign remains “Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.” Cracks me up even as I type it!
I agree, don’t put stupid things on your EDC. Heck, don’t put iffy logos/bumper stickers on your car either, it’s dorky.
Remember the dumbazz child cop out of AZ?
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2017/09/08/profane-etching-ex-mesa-officer-phillip-mitch-brailsford-gun-inadmissible-daniel-shaver-murder-trial/648709001/
Lucky for him the judge tossed it…
Besides, that stupid shit doesn’t even look good. You want your handgun to really look good? Try tasteful engraving. Ivory grips. I see a skull on a man’s handgun I dismiss him out of hand. Even my 25 year old son knows better than to put that Punisher crap on his pistols. If he did he’d find himself, and his firearms, sleeping in the yard. It’s supposed to be 32 tonight.
“You want your handgun to really look good? Try tasteful engraving. Ivory grips.”
Checkered hardwood grips for the CZ 2075 RAMI :
http://grips4u.net/product/cz-2075-rami-grips-checkered/
Nicer than the slippery black rubber grips it came with…
have these on 75c.
https://www.marschalgrips.com/
have to say tho, i’m good with the hard rubber cz grips; the plastic ones gotta go. the vzg10 stuff is fine, but i don’t really get the alum stuff. seems weird.
I think actual ivory grips can get you jail time. Bone would be good. Personally, I’d like gold inlay if there were any artisans left.
Let’s be real.. Even an American flag logo could be grounds for a commie prosecutor to charge you with defending your life. Stop sounding like a bunch of slaves and live life the way you want. If you’re worried about being alive and behind bars for lawful self defense then don’t carry your gun. Marxists are gonna marxist no matter how far between the lines you color. Complying with them isn’t going to make it take longer to get to the cattle car stage.
And… I don’t actually have any aesthetic upgrades to my guns besides maybe some fairly tasteful paint and/or authentic or useful slings. My pistols sport holster marks alone because stickers are for race cars.
“Let’s be real.. Even an American flag logo could be grounds for a commie prosecutor to charge you with defending your life.”
Preach it. A Leftist Scum prosecutor can claim your American flag tags you as racist…
Tho, I suppose the argument could be turned around on the prosecutor…
LEFTIST SCUM PROSECUTOR: “So, Mr. Haz,” (holds up bagged and tagged Exhibit A for the jury to view) “we see here that you had an American Flag custom engraved on the slide of the gun you used in the incident…”
ME: “Yes, sir, I engraved the flag representing the same Country and Constitution you swore an oath to uphold in Court…”
(mic drop)
Don’t forget about the Leftist Scum Judge:
. “Trying to be funny Mr. Haz? That’ll cost you $250. Clerk, strike that comment from the record.”
They’re trying to get us coming and going, the snakes.
Although, the jury may recall it notwithstanding the judge’s order. I think I might pay the fine after all.
now in get it. bargain town is now toys r us. you have a lifesize plushy giraffe face down on the coffee table in front of your couch.
Gray man. Black gats. No warning signs. No warning shots. No dumb racking yer shotty to scare the bad guy. No chit!
I get the idea and ultimately agree.
Tell me though…
Where were the Spartan helmets and punisher skulls on Rittenhouse’s rifle?
They don’t need a themed gun to take you down. Save that stuff for your collections, show pieces, and range guns. I think it’s ridiculous but then I wouldn’t be waving a Gadsden flag infront of my home either.
So… the rebel flag paintjob on my lever gun is a no-no?
Lol
I got a better question! The AR the dumbass persecutor was waving around in court had no sights. Tell me Kyle did not make such a giant noise for the cause of self defense without sights on the gun!
Haz, fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke. I’d never engrave “Bro” on a firearm but I have had a conversation with this very subject with Ayoob. For decades he’s preached “Don’t alter your defensive firearms.” Yeah, whatever. Men have customized their weapons since the dawn of time. I think I’ll continue to do the same. Oh, the lawyers. I’ve delt with them for decades also. They don’t scare me. Haven’t for a very long time. Besides, most of them I spoke with weren’t really all that smart. Here’s the answer to everything they ask you that they can’t do shit with. “I don’t remember.”
I’ll try to remember that. :>)
I can’t speak for Haz or even Ayoob but I don’t see any reason not to alter a carry gun. But I also see no reason to take something of this kind of serious and dress it up with cartoon characters to tell the world that the owner of this gun is a man child stuck in his youth and can’t grow up. Taking a hunting rifle and cutting an elaborate picture of a deer in the woods into the stock is reasonable. Telling the judge you did not mean to shoot someone with a gun covered in skulls is just plain stupid. Engrave your gun with gold inlay and give it stag grips from an Elk that you took with it and make it special and valuable. Change a spring to lighten the trigger. Get some Hogue grips for better control. But let’s keep it real.
I can certainly see making a firearm resemble a Nintendo Zapper but using it as a defensive weapon is not going to make you look good to anyone.
You seen very comfortable about others taking stupid and totally unnecessary risks, and even encourage them to do so.
That’s makes you the last person I’d ever take advice from
Engraved * I’D RATHER BE FISHING*
I can still have the “Smile and wait for flash” on the end of my barrel, though, right?
Live your life. Do what you like. Don’t fear doing stuff because some a-hole might some day try to use it against you. Eff ’em.
I haven’t had to shoot anyone in the past 60 years since I was 15, don’t plan to in the future. Still, I guess I could find better things to spend money on.
I’m not much for gun bling…..and I don’t put bumper or window stickers on my vehicle.
My J frames have polished actions and Tyler T-grips.
My Glock 43 and 48 have ghost connectors and the 43 has a Taran +1 base plate.
I will worry about it if it becomes an issue. And I like Gadsden Flags response……”I don’t remember”.
I learned in depositions to answer the question, but don’t try to educate them.
A lot of the junk people put on guns is stupid and pointless, as well as possibly problematic. Upgraded sights or a red dot not so much. Gotta admit I am curious about why they pulled the red dot off the Rittenhouse AR before it showed up in court, also noticed the sling came up in court but not the red dot.
The sling was relevant to the taking possession of the firegunm struggle.
No idea about the red dot unless the riffle was mishandled and it broke off.
Claim was that KR’s rifle wouldn’t fit in their evidence box with the red dot attached, so they removed it.
According to multiple lawyer-type sources…
And ended up on an officer’s gun.
And so, instead of altering the evidence box to accommodate the most popular rifle ever sold, they just altered the actual *evidence*? That should have been a mistrial all by itself! I guess it’s a good thing the box was long enough, or they may have simply installed a pistol barrel on the gun, making Kyle *guilty* of one of the original charges.
I’ve carried the same 1911 for decades. Only non standard parts are the nice wood grip slabs. Much nicer than the black Bakelite that was on it when I bought it.
Never cared for much embellishment on my guns. Although I do have a very nicely engraved Winchester1873.
Unfortunately there are some evidences that you cannot hide from the prosecutor in the event of a defensive firearms use, the most powerful being: “Your ancestor came from Europe”.
Having said this, unless one is a professional defense operator, a defensive EDC firearm is a rather blunt tool to be used in an emergency and, sadly, to be taken away from your hands afterwards. It will most likely be seized by the authority investigating the incident, kept as a piece of evidence for G_d knows how long. Possibly there will be a good chance that, in a way or another, you won’t see your iron anymore.
Thuys I’d leave any (likely expensive) customisation however (dis)tasteful to the BBQ, sporting, hunting or collectible firearm.
Just my two cents.
Nah, conflict requiring combat is extremely unlikely for most of us, I want my best equipment if it ever happens, and if that means I lose it after the fact, my expenditure was justified. I went to war twice, Vietnam and Gulf I, and both times let myself be intimidated into leaving my Python behind, as personal weapons were not allowed. Both times I found out afterward that nobody really cared what I took with me, but likely I wouldn’t be able to bring it home. Especially in Vietnam, I would have happily given up that Python to have had it in my shoulder holster every day instead of that beat-up S&W Combat Masterpiece.
Some Humans emblish their weapons with symbols of power.
Check out some of the gunms the Native Americans had.
If you think Chingachgook’s rifle was dolled up, you shoulda seen his ‘hawk. To him (and all those Mingo “warriors” he brained), the frillies were big medicine and an insult to the fella receiving the ball or blow, as the case may be. Never set much store by such things myself, letting Killdeer do the talking in plain lingo, but that’s their nature.
So you’re saying don’t pull a Philip Brailsford and carve you’re fuk’d in your AR dust cover. It can only lead to a pension of $31,000 a year.
The subject may have been brought up in court, but I bet you can’t name a single instance where it was a contributing factor used to convict anyone.
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My wife and I attended a class done by a local attorney who recommended against alterations and bling. Something about how engraving “Do you feel lucky, punk?” on your slide, cutting slits in your bullets and notches in your grip, and installing a 2 lb. trigger, can point to intent. Makes his job more difficult (i.e., expensive).