What is the total weight of those puppies? They look down right vicious.
They look to be all copper. They would weigh less than a more conventional 12 bore slug. Probably motoring at a higher velocity.
I bet that’s brass, not copper.
Copper has more of a red-ish color to it, while brass is kinda golden in appearance…
Given that they are brass, hollow, and the same diameter as a good ole fashioned lead slug – I’m gonna guess that they weigh quite a bit less.
…that is probably desirable, my understanding is that the higher the velocity is, the more likely hollowpoints are to expand.
Or fragment…………..yeah not seeing a problem with that much mass involved just check your backstop.
Pretty simple, actually – f = mv2.
“Mass” is multiplicative; “velocity” is squared. An increase in velocity, even in exchange for lower mass, is almost always a net ‘win’ for terminal ballistics. The problem for real world use is that, at a certain point, velocity prevents transfer of 100% of the energy of the projectile at the target – i.e., ‘overpenetration’. Otherwise, a 5,000 foot per second .22 would be the ultimate ‘defense gun’. (Not sure I’d want to shoot one, though.)
Ever checkout Taofledermaus? (spelling). Lot’s & lot’s of wacky slugs on their YouTube channel🙄
One of the best channels, IMHO. Officer Greg’s channel is pretty good too.
I have learned a great from them over the years. Must viewing for those whose primary weapon is a shotgun. Nobody does shotgun ammo studies like they do.
RIP Danny
I think that in using one of those, a shooter might get a really hard action from a prosecutor, even if a DGU was a righteous shooting.
It really depends on the jurisdiction. If it’s a slave state where George Soros financed the local DA’s election campaign, it could be problematic.
Where I live, Polk county, Fla, you have quite a bit more leeway if the fundamentals of the DGU are solid…
To quote a scum sucking whore of an attorney named Geoffrey Silverman, “twelve gauge shotgun! That’s small caliber isn’t it?”. This is the same attorney who argues in court briefs that his DUII convicted, alcoholic, possibly drug addicted, marijuana bootlegging client isn’t a threat because he only loads his shotgun with buckshot when he shoots at my family.
It would appear that these particular slugs are about 375 grain with a muzzle velocity considerable in excess of 1,500 feet per second. Although the drag coefficient obviously sucks, they are still potentially lethal out to about a mile.
Well I’m glad you bitched about. Let me tell you a story that happened just the other day. Nov 11 a partial friends dad died, the friends okay but a little weird. Dopers came over because that guy likes his dope. They get him fcked up then would robb him. One to many times and a friend of a friend musta made a phone call. Dont know who made the px call but anyway girlfiend said over 8 bikers wearing colors pulled up and then a guy went sailing through a window and another was thrown in the street with the words ” We catch you around here, you’ll die, tell your friends.”
Elmer Fudd, dontcha got any friends,?
Pray for lighting buddy and keep the place insured. *wink, wink*
You have some interesting friends, Marsupial One… 🙂
Around here we call that a ‘biker-gram’.
Marsupiul,
No can do. When I discovered the grow, I resisted the temptation to just shoot, no shovel, shut up and allow the police to presume that it was just another drug deal gone bad. I made the mistake of going to the police to report it. I also made the mistake of reporting it to the corrupt bureaucrats at the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program. Their response was to tell me to “go fuck myself.”. They then issued the perps an expost facto, address specific grow site permit for a location in another county as legal camoflauge. When the bootlegger shot at my son in retaliation for efforts to evict, he made the mistake of withdrawing and calling 911 rather than shooting, not shoveling and shutting up.
What we didnt understand is that the State of Oregon didnt just decriminalize marijuana. They created a corrupt bureaucracy that entered into a criminal conspiracy with the Oregon Marijuana Mafia to expropriate the private property of innocent victims for the purposes of committing Federal felonies.
If they die violently now or have a fire, we are the prime suspects.
Yup, prime suspects.
303 grains @ 1430 fps…. not really all that impressive considering they cost $10-12 a pop.
When I saw the title, I thought this meme was going to be about my brother-in-law.
This reminds me: I have a Remington 870 that I have never fired. Purchased it 5 years ago.
Slacker. 🙂
Have had my 870 for 25 years. The SG is still in mighty fine condition, but not so much my right shoulder. A special hurt is reserved for slugs.
WtF lifesaver. Yah gotta know if and how it shootz.
You now have your mission, sending test rounds downrange… 🙂
Hey LifeSavor,
sounds like you need a light for your gunsafe. I hate when stuff disappears into the far back corners. The bottom shelf below my long guns turned into a large junk space… one that was holding two 1000 pc. boxes of forgotten primers down there in the dark.
sporting clays red label, 32yrs. too busy with the ithacas.
Gonna have to get me some of those to try out. Edit: Actually maybe not, they’re over *10 bucks* each
$12-$19 per pop on Ammoseek. Maybe one for zero and let the rest grow old in the tube.
Unusual and aggressive spiral fluting on those. Do they screw their way thru?
they look like some kind of lug nuts for some “fancy” wheels
They’re rifled slugs, so the fluting is supposed to impart spin in a smooth barrel for better accuracy. The other kind of slugs you’ll find are smooth or sabot, which should be fired from a rifled barrel.
Colion Noir > “Why Would I Be Happy With People Being Able To Carry A Gun With No Background Check Or Training?”.
“Now I know what some of you are thinking, why would I be happy about people being able to carry a gun with no background check or training?
Don’t you think that’s crazy?
First, let me make this clear.
I think every gun owner should get some training.
I am not a fan of government-mandated training before you can own or carry a gun, and here’s why.
I don’t trust the Government not to try to make the cost and training requirements to carry a gun so high and long they might as well ban the ability to carry a gun for everyone except the elite.
Like voting, the second amendment is a constitutionally protected right.
This is why a poll tax and a literacy exam prerequisite to voting are unconstitutional.
Owning and carrying a gun is no different.
What’s the difference between a poll tax and a required fee to get a concealed carry license?
What’s the difference between a concealed carry training test and a literacy exam?
Nothing!
It’s not like we haven’t seen governments try to do this before.
Besides, criminals have been carrying guns without permits since the dawn of time.
As far as I see it, constitutional carry simply gives the same rights to the law-abiding citizen that criminals have been enjoying for decades.”
(note: “since the dawn of time” – I get all your points Colion, but this more ‘dawn of time’ thing correctly written its “since firearms have been available” or similar since firearms have not been around since the dawn of time.)
“What’s the difference between a concealed carry training test and a literacy exam?“
A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.
Voting does not entail an immediate direct threat to your fellow citizens.
I’m surprised that you don’t really grasp the difference between these two alternatives.
Both are violations of human and civil rights. You do grasp the meaning.
You Fascists loves you some tyranny.
Yes, both are violations of human and civil rights. However, there is no sense in explaining that to him as he doesn’t have the slightest respect for human and civil rights nor does he understand what they are.
Basic rule: “Be polite, be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”
@Miner49er
“A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.”
100% false
No it doesn’t – not in the slightest bit. Becoming a danger in some way is something that can not be predicted by any test directly or indirectly. All the test does is decide if you pass the class or not and if you pass you get a permit, its got nothing to do with if you will or will not become a danger. Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules so you can pass the class and get the permit.
If it were true that a test could predict such there would not be over 2,000,000 million (combined) killed AND injured in traffic accidents – after all, people take a drivers test to get a license that allows them to operate a 2,000’ish lb chuck of metal and plastic on the public roads at high speed in cases where the smallest error can make them a danger to others.
I’m not surprised that you don’t really have a grasp on anything to do with this subject.
correction: Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules so you can pass the class and get the permit.
Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules and how to pull the trigger and shoot at a target, so you can pass the class and get the permit. It does nothing to determine if one will or will not be a danger.
There are millions of law abiding citizens walking around armed every day with no permit that don’t pose a danger to anyone. But in the time it took me to type this around 1,000 car accidents happened across the country where someone was endangered by the licensed driver, that passed a test to get their license.
A CCW test does nothing to determine if one will be a danger to others or not, there is no way to predict the future or continued integrity in the future unless you have come up with a time machine that violates the laws of physics. It is 100% false that “A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.”
MinorLiar,
“A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.
Voting does not entail an immediate direct threat to your fellow citizens.”
As little regard as I have for your alleged ‘intellect’, MinorLiar, that is a statement so stupid I can’t believe even you are making it unironically. After all, it’s you idiots who (allegedly) elected the senile, stupid, child-groper-in-chief. How much more “damage” do we need?
No, there IS no difference between the two – both are unacceptable infringements on INHERENT rights . . . I once thought you were smart enough to recognize that. Now I’m not sure you’re smart enough to recognize your reflection in the mirror. You know, the mirror you are incapable of looking in? Self-awareness not your thing, is it, MinorLiar???
I have one of those salt guns. Pretty good on flies and moths. Slugs too I bet. One thing I learned after a few months, if you let it sit idle with salt in the cup, for too long in humid conditions, the salt cakes up and you have to wash it out with water, let it dry, and then reload. And then use it more often.
When it rains it pours Morton Salt
I prefer c salt over a salt – the pellets are larger and don’t leave iodine behind in the barrel.
My 9mm lung removers are jealous!
Get bigger magazclips
What is the total weight of those puppies? They look down right vicious.
They look to be all copper. They would weigh less than a more conventional 12 bore slug. Probably motoring at a higher velocity.
I bet that’s brass, not copper.
Copper has more of a red-ish color to it, while brass is kinda golden in appearance…
Given that they are brass, hollow, and the same diameter as a good ole fashioned lead slug – I’m gonna guess that they weigh quite a bit less.
…that is probably desirable, my understanding is that the higher the velocity is, the more likely hollowpoints are to expand.
Or fragment…………..yeah not seeing a problem with that much mass involved just check your backstop.
Pretty simple, actually – f = mv2.
“Mass” is multiplicative; “velocity” is squared. An increase in velocity, even in exchange for lower mass, is almost always a net ‘win’ for terminal ballistics. The problem for real world use is that, at a certain point, velocity prevents transfer of 100% of the energy of the projectile at the target – i.e., ‘overpenetration’. Otherwise, a 5,000 foot per second .22 would be the ultimate ‘defense gun’. (Not sure I’d want to shoot one, though.)
Ever checkout Taofledermaus? (spelling). Lot’s & lot’s of wacky slugs on their YouTube channel🙄
One of the best channels, IMHO. Officer Greg’s channel is pretty good too.
I have learned a great from them over the years. Must viewing for those whose primary weapon is a shotgun. Nobody does shotgun ammo studies like they do.
RIP Danny
I think that in using one of those, a shooter might get a really hard action from a prosecutor, even if a DGU was a righteous shooting.
It really depends on the jurisdiction. If it’s a slave state where George Soros financed the local DA’s election campaign, it could be problematic.
Where I live, Polk county, Fla, you have quite a bit more leeway if the fundamentals of the DGU are solid…
To quote a scum sucking whore of an attorney named Geoffrey Silverman, “twelve gauge shotgun! That’s small caliber isn’t it?”. This is the same attorney who argues in court briefs that his DUII convicted, alcoholic, possibly drug addicted, marijuana bootlegging client isn’t a threat because he only loads his shotgun with buckshot when he shoots at my family.
It would appear that these particular slugs are about 375 grain with a muzzle velocity considerable in excess of 1,500 feet per second. Although the drag coefficient obviously sucks, they are still potentially lethal out to about a mile.
Well I’m glad you bitched about. Let me tell you a story that happened just the other day. Nov 11 a partial friends dad died, the friends okay but a little weird. Dopers came over because that guy likes his dope. They get him fcked up then would robb him. One to many times and a friend of a friend musta made a phone call. Dont know who made the px call but anyway girlfiend said over 8 bikers wearing colors pulled up and then a guy went sailing through a window and another was thrown in the street with the words ” We catch you around here, you’ll die, tell your friends.”
Elmer Fudd, dontcha got any friends,?
Pray for lighting buddy and keep the place insured. *wink, wink*
You have some interesting friends, Marsupial One… 🙂
Around here we call that a ‘biker-gram’.
Marsupiul,
No can do. When I discovered the grow, I resisted the temptation to just shoot, no shovel, shut up and allow the police to presume that it was just another drug deal gone bad. I made the mistake of going to the police to report it. I also made the mistake of reporting it to the corrupt bureaucrats at the Oregon Medical Marijuana Program. Their response was to tell me to “go fuck myself.”. They then issued the perps an expost facto, address specific grow site permit for a location in another county as legal camoflauge. When the bootlegger shot at my son in retaliation for efforts to evict, he made the mistake of withdrawing and calling 911 rather than shooting, not shoveling and shutting up.
What we didnt understand is that the State of Oregon didnt just decriminalize marijuana. They created a corrupt bureaucracy that entered into a criminal conspiracy with the Oregon Marijuana Mafia to expropriate the private property of innocent victims for the purposes of committing Federal felonies.
If they die violently now or have a fire, we are the prime suspects.
Yup, prime suspects.
303 grains @ 1430 fps…. not really all that impressive considering they cost $10-12 a pop.
When I saw the title, I thought this meme was going to be about my brother-in-law.
This reminds me: I have a Remington 870 that I have never fired. Purchased it 5 years ago.
Slacker. 🙂
Have had my 870 for 25 years. The SG is still in mighty fine condition, but not so much my right shoulder. A special hurt is reserved for slugs.
WtF lifesaver. Yah gotta know if and how it shootz.
You now have your mission, sending test rounds downrange… 🙂
Hey LifeSavor,
sounds like you need a light for your gunsafe. I hate when stuff disappears into the far back corners. The bottom shelf below my long guns turned into a large junk space… one that was holding two 1000 pc. boxes of forgotten primers down there in the dark.
sporting clays red label, 32yrs. too busy with the ithacas.
In case anybody else was curious, those are R.I.P. shotgun slugs: https://g2rammo.com/r-i-p-shotgun/
Gonna have to get me some of those to try out. Edit: Actually maybe not, they’re over *10 bucks* each
$12-$19 per pop on Ammoseek. Maybe one for zero and let the rest grow old in the tube.
Unusual and aggressive spiral fluting on those. Do they screw their way thru?
they look like some kind of lug nuts for some “fancy” wheels
They’re rifled slugs, so the fluting is supposed to impart spin in a smooth barrel for better accuracy. The other kind of slugs you’ll find are smooth or sabot, which should be fired from a rifled barrel.
Colion Noir > “Why Would I Be Happy With People Being Able To Carry A Gun With No Background Check Or Training?”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dQWxPBeAk
On the video link page, the brief…
“Now I know what some of you are thinking, why would I be happy about people being able to carry a gun with no background check or training?
Don’t you think that’s crazy?
First, let me make this clear.
I think every gun owner should get some training.
I am not a fan of government-mandated training before you can own or carry a gun, and here’s why.
I don’t trust the Government not to try to make the cost and training requirements to carry a gun so high and long they might as well ban the ability to carry a gun for everyone except the elite.
Like voting, the second amendment is a constitutionally protected right.
This is why a poll tax and a literacy exam prerequisite to voting are unconstitutional.
Owning and carrying a gun is no different.
What’s the difference between a poll tax and a required fee to get a concealed carry license?
What’s the difference between a concealed carry training test and a literacy exam?
Nothing!
It’s not like we haven’t seen governments try to do this before.
Besides, criminals have been carrying guns without permits since the dawn of time.
As far as I see it, constitutional carry simply gives the same rights to the law-abiding citizen that criminals have been enjoying for decades.”
(note: “since the dawn of time” – I get all your points Colion, but this more ‘dawn of time’ thing correctly written its “since firearms have been available” or similar since firearms have not been around since the dawn of time.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_dQWxPBeAk
“What’s the difference between a concealed carry training test and a literacy exam?“
A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.
Voting does not entail an immediate direct threat to your fellow citizens.
I’m surprised that you don’t really grasp the difference between these two alternatives.
Both are violations of human and civil rights. You do grasp the meaning.
You Fascists loves you some tyranny.
Yes, both are violations of human and civil rights. However, there is no sense in explaining that to him as he doesn’t have the slightest respect for human and civil rights nor does he understand what they are.
Basic rule: “Be polite, be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”
@Miner49er
“A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.”
100% false
No it doesn’t – not in the slightest bit. Becoming a danger in some way is something that can not be predicted by any test directly or indirectly. All the test does is decide if you pass the class or not and if you pass you get a permit, its got nothing to do with if you will or will not become a danger. Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules so you can pass the class and get the permit.
If it were true that a test could predict such there would not be over 2,000,000 million (combined) killed AND injured in traffic accidents – after all, people take a drivers test to get a license that allows them to operate a 2,000’ish lb chuck of metal and plastic on the public roads at high speed in cases where the smallest error can make them a danger to others.
I’m not surprised that you don’t really have a grasp on anything to do with this subject.
correction: Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules so you can pass the class and get the permit.
Its a state mandated ‘check the squares’ thing that’s basically a literacy test to see if you can understand the law and rules and how to pull the trigger and shoot at a target, so you can pass the class and get the permit. It does nothing to determine if one will or will not be a danger.
There are millions of law abiding citizens walking around armed every day with no permit that don’t pose a danger to anyone. But in the time it took me to type this around 1,000 car accidents happened across the country where someone was endangered by the licensed driver, that passed a test to get their license.
A CCW test does nothing to determine if one will be a danger to others or not, there is no way to predict the future or continued integrity in the future unless you have come up with a time machine that violates the laws of physics. It is 100% false that “A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.”
MinorLiar,
“A CCW test relates directly to your ability not to be a direct danger to your fellow citizens.
Voting does not entail an immediate direct threat to your fellow citizens.”
As little regard as I have for your alleged ‘intellect’, MinorLiar, that is a statement so stupid I can’t believe even you are making it unironically. After all, it’s you idiots who (allegedly) elected the senile, stupid, child-groper-in-chief. How much more “damage” do we need?
No, there IS no difference between the two – both are unacceptable infringements on INHERENT rights . . . I once thought you were smart enough to recognize that. Now I’m not sure you’re smart enough to recognize your reflection in the mirror. You know, the mirror you are incapable of looking in? Self-awareness not your thing, is it, MinorLiar???
Slugs are the reason I have an a salt rifle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch4S1QBgBfg
wtf
I have one of those salt guns. Pretty good on flies and moths. Slugs too I bet. One thing I learned after a few months, if you let it sit idle with salt in the cup, for too long in humid conditions, the salt cakes up and you have to wash it out with water, let it dry, and then reload. And then use it more often.
When it rains it pours Morton Salt
I prefer c salt over a salt – the pellets are larger and don’t leave iodine behind in the barrel.
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