Gun Hero of the Day: Kansas Republican Chairman Kelly Arnold

Bingo – one of the former minority owners of a major sports franchise used that saying to indicate that money trumps everything and people will prostitute themselves for it.

Reminds me of a story. Supposedly George Bernard Shaw was at a ritzy dinner party, seated next to an older woman who was volubly condemning the morals of a young woman who she accused of sleeping with various gentlemen to whom she was not married. Shaw, ever the wit, asked her, “Well, Madame, would you sleep with me tonight if I paid you a million pounds?” The woman, somewhat flustered, replied, “Why, yes I would.” Shaw then asked, “Would you sleep with me for one hundred pounds.?” “Of course not!” she exclaimed, “What kind of a woman do you make me out to be?” “We have already established that, madam,” he replied, “We are merely negotiating the price.”

Making substances illegal is unconstitutional? That’s a very interesting argument that I’ve never heard before. Everyone should be able to posses ricin, weaponized anthrax, sarin, for instance?

Please detail some of the founding fathers’ writings where they talked about this subject.

“Please detail some of the founding fathers’ writings where they talked about this subject.”

OK. Here is a list of the things that the states granted the Feds the power to do:

US Constitution Article I Section. 8:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.”

Can you find “throw people into iron cages for smoking dried flowers” on that list?

And as to mind altering substances, I ask again, please detail some of the founding fathers’ writings on this subject, since the constitution is silent in this regard.

“since the constitution is silent in this regard.”

Exactly. If the Constitution doesn’t delegate to them the authority to do something, they don’t have it.

You seem to have fallen for the fallacy that the government is absolute ruler, limited only by ten little rules. The opposite is true. The government has NO (legitimate) powers at all, other than what the Constitution delegates to them. Or, more accurately, what the People delegated to them through the states by the instrument of the Constitution.

I can see you’re a real legal genius. You’re right that the Constitution does delegate power to the people of the states. Among these powers are the police powers and the power to enact legislation.

Nowhere does the constitution outlaw murder. Nor does it outlaw your chose addiction. Those powers are legitimately left to the states.

“u BOTH were referring to the Constitution, then when it got too deep you changed it up to States”

Speaking of reading comprehension, Larry, all I was saying is that when the whole regime turns against the Constitution, then supporting/upholding it falls to the states, who actually wrote it, or to the people respectively..

Very simply put, the fact that the Constitution does not outlaw something does not mean that it cannot be outlawed. It does not outlaw any particular activity that any of us would agree is criminal and that all of us would agree should be outlawed.

Rich is just arguing that he should be able to smoke his pot. On a gun forum.