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And Gun Control Advocates Say WE’RE Nuts . . .

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Charleston, WV Mayor Danny Jones must be a fan of the Talking Heads. Specifically, the song Crosseyed and Painlesswherein the singer complains that “facts don’t do what I want them to.” In this soon-to-be-famous clip, Jones finds himself teetering on edge of the anti-gun rhetorical abyss. He flails about like a cartoon character trying to prevent the inevitable plunge off the proverbial cliff. While I’m no fan of any bill that restricts Americans’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, the Mountain State’s new gun law is almost worth it – just to see Jones come a cropper in this lopsided “debate.” Almost. But not quite.

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Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.

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  1. Just bought the PPX Saturday to add to my light collection ( XDM 3.8 40cal, Public Defender, Glock 26 3rd Gen, Ruger LC9 with Lasermax ). I normally don’t comment about much, but after a range day with the PPX, I was very impressed. PPX was a dream to shoot. Right out of the box in was dead on accurate with a feathery trigger. I was set on buying the PPQ after doing my research, but saw a PPX locally for $375 out the door with a box of 9mm rounds. Took a night to research it and bit the bait. Saved at least $150 vs the PPQ. My XDM is my favorite concealed carry piece, but I’ll have to seriously consider replacing it with my new PPX. You can not go wrong investing in the PPX. The trigger is soooo smooth, I was shocked with the first round down range, love it. Highly recommended!

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  2. John Unger (D) Berkeley
    There is a D behind this mans name yet, he seems to be the R in this debate. I mean that I hear, is some common sense coming out of his mouth. He may warp my whole preconceived notion of what a democrat is! Is he not a member of the partei?

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  3. I sympathize with Mayor Jones. Clearly the law is too complex for him to understand. It needs to be simpler so criminals can understand and abide by it.

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  4. The cops don’t have to confiscate door to door. It is now illegal. They are not coming for them but when for some reason they have a need to be in your house or your car and they find them you will be prosecuted and then lose all your rights to any firearm. If you use your gun for protection you will be arrested because you have an illegal magazine or rifle. You can’t take the rifle or magazine to the range without risking getting caught. They have made that rifle or magazine obsolete due to the fact you can’t use it even if there is a good cause. The gov’t will win by contrition. They do nothing and they win.

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  5. Well the polymer ones are not very good to start out with, anyone who has not done this before and think its “real easy” to cut out the pocket is sadly mistaken, one bad move and its junk.

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  6. Just came back from the range with my brand new PF9. What a disappointment it was. I was having failure to extract and jams every two to three rounds. Tried contacting Kel-Tec and just received a recording (another disappointment). Now Im not sure if I can return for warranty because I have no receipt with my name on it. (more disappointment) Kel-Tec what a let down.

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  7. I’ve got a 1927 that is in beautiful shape and shoots great that I wouldn’t dream of doing this to. If I had another laying around, game on

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  8. I cant even put in to words the disgust that I feel for people like this guy and the Malloy video from the other day. How is a young guy like myself supposed to keep the faith in our politicians when they all are idiots and push their bogus agendas on us while having no idea about that which they are speaking?

    I vote but fear it is all in vain, because any politician that seems decent gets pushed out by their own party or never really had a shot, or in some cases (eg. Robert Sarvis ) appears to be a shill to steal votes from the republicans.

    My words continue to fail me but the anger I feel about the people running the show continues to build like bad heartburn. It’s almost like in these cases ignorance would be bliss…until it no longer is, because at least if I didn’t know the people running this country were such ignorant jack a**es I wouldn’t be so angry about it.

    Most people either don’t care about freedom or think you are a tinfoil hat wearing weirdo if you do care. Like in the VA gov. race, almost everyone I know was completely disgusted by Cuccinellie because of some sex law and abortion law nonsense trumped up by the media.

    So instead we get stuck with Clinton JR. Is it too much to as for people to not speak about things in which they are completely ignorant? Is it too much to ask for a politician that seeks to support the Constitution, and stay out of the way of everything else?

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  9. Both police officers and prosecutors have the position of “ministerial officers” before the law. In other words, they have discretion as to what crimes they will and will not prosecute. This why the traffic cop can “let you off with a warning.”, or a prosecutor can arrange a plea bargain. Just because a law says so, a law enforcement official does not have to enforce it.

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  10. Of course Murthy doesn’t have broad backing. Aside from the fact that his only accomplishments have been creating advocacy groups against the 2nd amendment, he has very little experience. His main credential is political, not medical. If his interest was medical, he’d be working on substance abuse prevention and psychiatric services for poor overcrowded neighborhoods.

    It becomes ever clearer that a professional on the make for political office and name-recognition cannot do better than to become an anti-gun-whatever, and ask the Joyce Foundation and Bloomberg for some money. “No one has heard of my medical career. Maybe I should become an anti-gun-doctor?” Sure. Go ahead. Even if you fail in your professed mission, you’ll build a loyal following among the urban left. That could carry you all the way to retirement.

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    • Let’s take this one step further. I will consider him “Qualified” when Mikey Bloomberg and Shannon Watts (including her whole freaking family) makes him their personal doctor for their yearly check ups, pap smears, colon-rectal exams, etc. and then accepts whatever results he spits out.

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    • Kinda like a certain constitutional-lawyer whose only previous job was community agitation… before being elected leader of the free world.

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  11. the guy is so UNQUALIFIED it is not funny. He has not run an ice cream stand let alone a department in a hospital. How the hell is he qualified to be the Surgeon General?? C’mon Barry – at least give us the courtesy of a nominee who, while we may disagree with about guns and the 2nd Amendment, at least garners the respect of his/her peers. This guy has been a policitical operative for you for the last 6 yrs. . . .

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  12. The attack is not “off-kilter” if the Surgeon General declares “gun violence” to be a national public health care crisis, and then uses his office to try to “do something” about it. Maybe warning stickers? More likely, funding to the CDC to do research whose sole goal is to demonstrate how dangerous more guns are, to mandate health care providers request and require information about gun ownership as a way of reducing the “epidemic” of suicide and accidental deaths of children–who could POSSSIBLY be against that?
    Dr. Murthy’s anti-gun stance and his support of Obama are precisely the reason he was selected for the nomination to this post–one for which he is otherwise unqualified because of his lack of relevant experience and expertise. From what I can gather, he is just another ivory tower intellectual with no real world experience beyond his medical training, and most definitively no administrative training or experience. He is most clearly a purely political choice.

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  13. Lets be honest… it should read:

    Non-Incendiary Image of the Day: New Yorkers Against “Scary Guns” Supports Dr. Vivek Murthy for Surgeon General Edition

    After all they are not concerned about violence. They aren’t concerned about crime. They are concerned about the scary gun! OMG! Afraid of the gun and not the criminal. Typical.

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  14. I’m fine with open carrying wherever it’s legal. Heck, I would open carry if it were legal for me.

    But toting a long gun for education? Sorry, that’s just stupid. Even the cops don’t haul out the big guns unless something dangerous is already happening, which is part of why the hoplophobes wet their britches when they see it.

    This is not education. This just makes the gun-grabbers more likely to call their State Reps and Senators to “do something about this.”

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  15. According to the NRA, Murthy isn’t qualified because of his stance on guns.

    According to NYAGV, the only thing that qualifies Murthy is that he’s anti-gun,

    I suggest that Murthy isn’t qualified because he’s merely a political operative who has no background in public health. Murthy would make a really good community organizer, but I don’t think that’s an actual job.

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  16. If I want to open carry, I should not ‘have’ to notify the local Barney ahead of time. The 911 dispatcher should already know the law and educate the caller accordingly.

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  17. Sadly, the residents of the former Constitution state voted the Office of Sheriff out of existence in 2000.No constitutional officers’ to act as a buffer to tyranny.

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  18. I agree with the chief in the video, this kind of thing just puts up walls for people. It is like those ladies who walk around NYC with their breasts out, because they can. People going about their daily business don’t necessarily understand what they are seeing, just that there is something profoundly unusual.

    If he hadn’t carried that shotgun on his back, there would have been no calls at all. Slinging a long gun when you are not intending to use it is provocative and his excuse for doing so is poorly reasoned.

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  19. You know, I used to think OC of long guns was a bad idea and was against it. But then its most vile, power-worshiping opponents here, as well as the illegal actions of Texas cops, convinced me that I was on the wrong side.

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  20. OK. I really try not to cuss. I’ve got a granddaughter at home who likes new words…
    Writing cuss words just looks crass.
    But,
    HOLY PHUK!
    I’m not sure I just saw what I saw.

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  21. “His skepticism of civilian gun ownership is based on firsthand experience in hospital emergency rooms, where he has mopped up after bloody firearm violence.”

    This is an asinine statement. Murthy is a hospitalist, boarded in Internal Medicine, apparently with some special interest in HIV.

    For you non-medical folks, that means he works the floor of the hospital treating medical diseases in adults. He treats pneumonia, diabetes, kidney failure etc, not trauma in the ER. He would have had some exposure to the ER as a medical student, but his total “firsthand experience” is less than your average EMT and the only thing he would have been trusted to “mop up” as a modern medical student was the floors.

    Full disclosure, I am a former EMT, now anesthesiologist in a small Montana hospital. I trained at a major, regional trauma center. I work with a great team of ER docs, surgeons, and nurses to resuscitate and repair people who suffer traumatic injuries of all sorts. Love the medicine docs, but they tend to stay as far away as possible from trauma.

    -bsd

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  22. Well, in the meantime, we are systematically downsizing our military, removing and/or restricting religion, and homosexuals and trannies are given a wide berth as the entry standards are lowered. As for senior brass that don’t tow the line? Well,…..Early retirement, being relieved, or made an offer they can’t refuse to just get out.

    Should work out well. I’m sure ol’ Vlad is laughing, as well as the Chinese, North Koreans, Iranians, and more than a few of Muslim persuasion. At least some ND’s keep one light on your feet and fast. Expect the unexpected. One stays rather nimble that way.

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  23. I wouldn’t so much claim insane as incredibly, incredibly ignorant about guns and gun rights. However also, if you are like them and view gun ownership as a privilege and not a right, well that as well changes around their thinking (like waiting periods, mandatory testing, etc…).

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  24. Whatever, I’m PROUD to be a hardworking American. It’s why we built and invented many of the world’s firsts. Let the wankers have their “holidays” and their drunken half days. We work hard in the old USA. Gdamn Right.

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  25. I see a lot of comments here regarding liberal professors.

    I’m a registered Republican, lifelong Alaskan, gun owner, and recent UAF graduate.

    During my entire tenure as a student, I was only given a poor mark by a professor on one occasion because of my political views, because I had the audacity to disagree with them. The professor was even more far right than I was (the professor started every class talking about how great Bill O’Reilly was, and largely modeled the class topics around what had been said on Bill O’Reilly’s show that morning. I’m not even joking).

    I’m not saying that there aren’t liberal professors that don’t do the same thing, but I never seemed to have had any (I never had Cole). The diehard conservative professor was the only one, in my experience, that clearly let their political views influence their grading system. I still think the whole situation was BS, but I simply wanted to pass the class and graduate, and I didn’t want to lose scholarships, so I never said anything.

    In terms of the gun debate on college campuses; I suspect the reason that there aren’t reasonable gun laws is because both sides are too extreme one way or the other. The rabid gun nuts feel they should have the right to clean their AK-47 in the campus cafeteria, while the rabid anti-gun nuts act like guns don’t deter crimes whatsoever. I think that concealed carry for those over 21, and have taken a class, is the most viable solution. If a girl has a deringer in her purse for when she walks to her car at night, or if a guy has a .45 hidden under his shirt, I don’t really care. Guns are a tool though whose only purpose is to kill things, and I don’t think anyone needs to be walking down the sidewalk with their AR-15 and bandoliers. The recent legislation put forward in Alaska probably would have succeeded if it had initially been framed in terms of concealed carry for those over 21. Instead they framed the legislation in such a way that it let the anti-gun lobby resort to rhetoric that puts a terrifying image in people’s minds (18 year old freshman with .50 cal’s in their room).

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  26. HOAs are a microcosm of government. They issue a spurious claim over a certain geographical area and then demand that anyone within that area abide by their rule… or else.

    “Well, you can just move” It’s MY freaking property!

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  27. “Putin says U.S. guided by ‘the rule of the gun’ in foreign policy”

    Yeah, that sounds about right.

    In my limited understanding of things I don’t approve of that policy. Who knows, maybe I would advocate for the exact same approach if I had all the facts.

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  28. There is an additional problem with ATF option #1. Their redefinition of what constitutes a firearm would go forward but could not go backward. The lower receivers sold in the past would legal and would not constitute probable cause for a crime so their seizure would still be illegal.

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