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Complacency and an expectation someone else will handle the heavy lifting have brought us to this point. For all the claims of Second Amendment support in the gun community, far too few actually take active steps to maintain those rights, let alone further them.

Last week I-1639 passed in Washington State. Soon it might be the passage of H.R. 7115 in the US House, the so-called 3D Firearms Prohibition Act.

What is H.R. 7115, really? I’m glad you asked. The opening text is as follows, but you can find the full text here:

To prohibit the sale, acquisition, distribution in commerce, or import into the United States of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machinegun parts kits and the marketing or advertising of such castings or blanks and kits on any medium of electronic communications, to require homemade firearms to have serial numbers, and for other purposes.

And check out Section 3:

SEC. 3. Prohibition of advertising do-it-yourself assault weapons.

(a) In general.—It shall be unlawful to market or advertise, on any medium of electronic communications, including over the Internet, for the sale of any of the following:

(1) A firearm receiver casting or firearm receiver blank or unfinished handgun frame that—

(A) at the point of sale does not meet the definition of a firearm in section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code; and

(B) after purchase by a consumer, can be completed by the consumer to the point at which such casting or blank functions as a firearm frame or receiver for a semiautomatic assault weapon or machinegun or the frame of a handgun.

(2) An assault weapon parts kit.

(3) A machinegun parts kit.

H.R. 7115 was introduced on November 2, 2018 and sponsored by Rep. Frank Pallone, Jr., a Democrat from New Jersey for “himself, Mr. Sires, Ms. Norton, Mr. Cárdenas, Mr. Khanna, Mr. Pascrell, Ms. Schakowsky, Mr. Hastings, Ms. Clarke of New York, Mr. Carbajal, Mr. Soto, Mr. McGovern, Ms. Kelly of Illinois, and Mr. Rush).” It has been referred to the Committee on Energy and Commerce and the Committee on the Judiciary.

Unsure how a bill passes? Click here. And remember, the Dems took back the House this election.

Think this doesn’t concern you because you don’t build guns? It does. In Washington State an untold number of guns are about to be redefined as “assault weapons” thanks to the vague, blatantly anti-gun wording of the 1639. H.R. 7115 will concern you because if it passes (yes, the GOP still has the Senate and presidency) because it’s nationwide. Goodbye AR builds, goodbye Polymer80 handgun builds, goodbye enormous chunk of gun rights.

The language of this bill should worry you. You should take it upon yourself to call your representative. If you can, you should donate to the firearms advocacy group of your choice (and here I will mirror what a respected member of the industry said over the summer: if you’re not part of the NRA you’re part of the problem. I may not love everything they do — I may even loathe some of it — but they remain our best chance of coming out of this fight at least somewhat intact, so suck it up, buttercup.).

There should be an outcry, not this deafening silence. Yes, I’m angry. I’m tired of seeing gun rights eaten away in tiny, unassuming bites and deeper, gouging chunks with only the most ardent among us actively fighting against it.

The far left is picking a fight with an industry that counts its participants by the tens of millions – strike that, by the hundreds of millions. If close to half of Americans own guns (they do) and more than that shoot or hunt now and then, why aren’t we winning these smackdowns casually and without much effort? Oh yeah, complacency.

Get it together, people. The fight for our rights isn’t in 2020 or 2024, it’s here. Right. Now.

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  1. Good luck passing that.

    Better luck enforcing it.

    Best of luck dealing with the unintended consequences.

    Not one more inch. And banning bump stocks used up about 3/4 of that inch.

      • “I guess gun shops will have to advertise aluminum stock, rather than 80% lowers.”

        Wouldn’t take much of a prosecutor to argue that the block of aluminum, along with the CNC machine in your shed/garage/basement amount to “constructive possession” of a prohibited item.

        • I agree. Any scrap metal while in possesion of a file and a drill could be constructive possession any time they wish to go that way. Just like when some folks get arrested for owning “bomb making materials” like nail polish remover, some hydrogen peroxide and an old bottle of lemon juice in the refrigerator. Intent is not a requirement of this proposed legislation.

        • The average person also has the chemicals necessary to make a deadly poisonous gas in their cleaning supply closet. Are they going to argue “constructive possession” of those chemicals too? They’re going to have to start regulating everything if they go down this road. The law is going to become so all encompassing that it is pointless.

          • “The average person also has the chemicals necessary to make a deadly poisonous gas in their cleaning supply closet. Are they going to argue “constructive possession” of those chemicals too? ”

            When the government finds that useful.

        • The more laws they pass, the more criminals they create from whole cloth, the more they simply prove what the right wing, once fringe right wing has always said.

          They are merely totalitarian despots with democrat trappings.

          • “The more laws they pass, the more criminals they create from whole cloth, the more they simply prove what the right wing, once fringe right wing has always said.”

            The more laws they pass, the more criminals they create from whole cloth, the more they simply prove what Ayn Rand has always said.

            Fixed it for ya.

        • Yes Ken, I am sure “people” get arrested quite often for owning nail polish, lemon juice, etc. Maybe you forgot to read the part mentioning the meth lab in the garage.

          • “So since I own a hacksaw, does that mean constructive possession of SBR making materials.?”

            Having all the materials available on your property to create a silencer is considered “constructive possession”, so the hacksaw with the right materials present could be construed. Depends on how bad the government wants to make you an example.

      • the following shall be considered banned hazardous products under section 8 of such Act (15 U.S.C. 2057):

        (1) A firearm receiver casting or firearm receiver blank or unfinished handgun frame that—

        LOL!

        The joke has become reality!!!:

        https://www.80percentarms.com/products/0-billet-ar-15-lower-receiver

        Years ago..in like 2014, TTAG had an article where we laughed at democrats trying to ban blocks of metal that could be used for anything. Here we are.

      • You people should really read the wording in that bill there not just attacking AR’s they arebattacking any box fed firearm. That includes shotguns with magizine and all pistols that are Magizine fed semi automatics….

    • “Good luck passing that”

      You do remember that the House just flipped democrat? If this goes before the House it’s going to pass easily. When it goes before the Senate? I’m not so sure one way or the other.

      • Why do you think they are trying to steal elections in Florida and already stole one in Arizona?

        Last ditch would be a VETO but I got a feeling trump will bargin for something… the only paletable deal would be complete and full funding for not just a wall but a massive, 40′ tall, big beautiful wall.

        But probably won’t happen, just another nail in the 2A coffin.

        • a time for a united defense of freedom has come we must fight against the commies who want to take away freedom WAR is upon us

        • Mhmm, it started years ago. Its only just now getting hot with the riot and hate groups. Party warfare. etc. hopefully we can push back and keep the republic at the ballot box. Sometimes battles are lost in politics, sometimes they are won. We have been winning quite a bit since the 2000s, even if it goes the other way, its not the end yet.

      • The bill was introduced in THIS Congress, the 115th.

        The 115th Congress ends January 3, 2019; the newly elected members of Congress take office that same day.

        There is no possibility – none – that 7115 can pass the House, and the Senate, and get to the President, by next January 3.

        So, we can wait for a similar bill to be introduced in January.

        • Along with dozens of other by emboldened Democrats. They will get more and more outrageous with less and less generally threatening titles. Who cares if they don’t pass in the Senate or are vetoed. It’s the PR that counts. Create a crisis, scare the suburban moms, rile up the inner city base, suck in the illegals who are oppressed by gangs. Do it until you achieve critical mass. Tyranny does not rest until power is taken and threats eliminated.

      • The Democrats rammed Affordable (cough! cough!) Health Care(less) up everyone’s butts, didn’t they? This kid David Hogg has Feinstein and others spitting blood at legitimate firearm owners. Say it can’t get worse? Bump stocks. Yes, used in a heinous massacre by a total looney loser – and Democratic Party supporter – but nowhere else before orvsince. But they’re now “machune gun” parts.

        And even the NRA rolled over on giving them up like spineless wimps. Shame on President Thump for giving in so readily, too ….

        Tellin’ ya true, folks: Give the anti-gun crowd anything else – ANYTHING! – after bump stocks and they’ll demand EVERYTHING! They’ll want your kids’ cap pistols!

    • Yep, just a Democrat circle-jerk to assuage their radical base. They know this won’t go anywhere in the senate or past Trump’s veto. Same like all their upcoming subpoenas and impeachment. In the end, Trump will be able to campaign against the do-nothing congress in 2020.

      • You have more faith in Trump than I do or have seen evidence to support. He ignored and violated the Constitutional separation of powers, the 2nd amendment, the 5th amendment due process, the takings clause, and more with his unConstitutional ban on bump-fire stocks and has more than once called for suspending due process so govt can “take the guns first and worry about due process later”. He also supported no-fly no-buy lists which are blatantly UnConstitutional.

        Sorry but after 20 years of gun control support I see no reason to believe this leopard has changed it’s spots.

          • When he ordered his DOJ and ATF to redefine a machine gun and ban bump-fire stocks it violated the separation of powers. The ban his administration is implementing violates the takings clause by requiring them to be turned in without any reimbursement. It also violates due process as well as the 2nd amendment.

            • Once an item is declared illegal, it becomes contraband – illegal. Confiscation is legal, is not a “taking” under the constitution. A “taking” involves something currently legal, and that remains legal after confiscation. The cute part is government can make anything illegal, and contraband. How about civilian asset forfeiture? Perfectly legal. Not a “taking”, and the SC declared it constitutional because government has a compelling interest in public safety.

              • Civil asset forfeiture is not Constitutional and the fact that a state court found it to be doesn’t make it so. There is at least one case in front of SCOTUS right now that involves civil asset seizures and so far the justices are showing a lot of skepticism about it’s merits. It is highly likely to be thrown out in it’s entirety as it directly violates more than one Constitutionally protected right.

                Have you read the Constitution?

              • “Have you read the Constitution?”

                You dodge the question. Why is confiscating contraband (illegal items/property) a violation of the Constitution? My purpose for citing asset forfeiture was to demonstrate that the Supreme Court leaves standing a more egregious example of misuse of power than rightly seizing illegal property (contraband).

                But since you sidestepped from discussing “takings”, let’s look at the constitution. Read it all you like. Doesn’t mean the constitution says what you want. It says what the courts determine it says.

                The US Supreme Court (SC) does not intend to eliminate asset forfeiture laws. The most recent case at hand is not about asset forfeiture itself, but whether limits exist on the amount of assets government can seize; excessive fines. To make it more simple…

                To date, governments have seized whatever type and amount of assets it sees fit under the conditions existing, up to and including all assets of an individual. This is based on an assumption that law does not require any charges be brought, but that the profits from supposed, possible, potential, imagined criminal activities may be removed without any due process, other than simply taking the assets, based on suspicion.

                The question potentially facing the SC is not whether simple seizure of assets on suspicion is allowed (https://freedomoutpost.com/u-s-supreme-court-upholds-abusive-civil-forfeiture-law-allows-police-to-keep-201000-in-cash-from-legal-home-sale-with-no-proof-of-criminal-activity/), but whether the amount seized is reasonable under the 8th Amendment. That is, can governments seize assets of greater value than any criminal fine that may be imposed by application of a specific law. If a person suspected of financial gain from a crime could be sentenced to time in jail and/or a fine, can seized assets represent greater value than the possible fine?

                One must not presume that narrow considerations of laws, or portions of laws, can or will lead to overturning the entire law itself. Just as one should not conclude that a court ruling agreeing with the application of a single provision of an unpopular law demonstrates that the courts (or individual justices) “side” with the beneficiary of a court ruling aligned with the unpopular law.

                Courts do not dispense justice; courts dispense rulings on law(s).

              • You do realize that Trump, the DOJ, and the BATFE have no legal or Constitutional authority to declare bump-fire stocks illegal much less to do it in an ex-post facto method making possession of existing bump-fire stocks illegal right?

                Sorry, that is not how it works. Separation of powers is one of the most important limits the Constitution places on the federal government. The minute we let that separation of powers become irrelevant we go from a republic to a dictatorship as congress becomes irrelevant if POTUS can just order laws to be changed to meet his desires at the time. Don’t think for a single minute that future candidates are not watching this and thinking about how they can misuse it for their needs.

              • You have two dissimilar observations here; one half-wrong, the other simply wrong.

                To the present, government agencies have been granted (by the SC), great latitude in determining what their own rules and regulations mean. Plenty of room for mischief, but allowable in almost all instances (perhaps soon challenged by the SC). The SC has not weighed-in on whether it is constitutional for one branch of government to delegate its authority to another (a test case on that may soon be coming). Thus, Congress writes laws to one degree of detail or another, then delegates authority for establishing the operating details of the law.

                The BATFAEE was delegated authority to “control” firearms through rules and regulations designed to implement laws of the legislature. BATFAEE has not been corralled by congress regarding BATFAEE rulings regarding whether this or that is permissible under the law. It is an easy step to order BATFAEE to change its interpretation of its own agency rules to restrict bump stocks as operationally equivalent to the description of machine guns in the NFA. Until overturned by courts, designating bump stocks as machine guns IS constitutional. To extend that meaning, if you are convicted of a crime that is later ruled unconstitutional by the SC, you are convicted, and serve your sentence until you appeal your conviction and successfully have your sentence overturned. Meanwhile, you sit in jail. You do not get a release based on a court ruling addressing another case (of course, the appeals courts could declare that anyone convicted under the now unconstitutional law is to be released forthwith). Being kept in jail until you can individually appeal is quite constitutional.

                In the second case of wrong presumption, you misunderstand the meaning of “ex post facto”. The phrase does not prohibit a law making illegal today what was perfectly legal yesterday; happens all the time. “Ex post facto” prohibits making you guilty of committing a crime before it was a crime. So, yesterday it was legal to have all the booze you wanted. Then today it is illegal to possess any booze at all. If you are not found with booze on hand today, or any day in the future, you are not guilty of a crime. Yet, possession of booze is now illegal, and it can be seized and destroyed as part of your arrest and/or conviction (this is not a “taking”). What “ex post facto” does for you is make you immune to arrest and trial for having been in possession of booze at any time prior to the new law. We are so far from the times of the founding of the nation tht we cannot even imagine why a government would conjure a theory that if something is made illegal today, government can wholesale arrest and try everyone/anyone who in the past violated a law that did not exist in the past. But the practice was real, and relatively common as a means to exert power.

    • There’s an uprising on the horizon and dumb Kommunist Democrats are going to be the catalysts and the ignition source. MOLON LABE

      • We are already in a cold civil war. All it’s going to take is a trigger (pun intended) to make it a hot civil war. Same thing in Europe. Look at Brexit. The yellow vests etc… Even Sorryass oops Soros doesn’t feel the EU will survive the may elections.

    • How many of these homemade guns have been used in real crimes like murder, robbery, etc.? You know if they were it would be at the top of the news story.
      Seems like a poor use of their legislative time and effort.

      • they are more concerned with guns in the hands of the typically law abiding than they are genuine criminals. The reason why they are is because it is from the ranks of the typically law abiding that those who would fight for liberty come. They want absolute power, so given what i have just said why do you think these laws matter to them?

    • WHEN will people wake up to the FACT that if they have to fight for it, IT’S NOT A RIGHT!
      Rights can NOT be taken away. It’s PRIVILEGES that can be removed.
      U.S. citizens do NOT have God given unalienable rights. If you accept the 14th Amendment citizenship, you have federally granted privileges. Period.
      As for the NRA, THEY are responsible for every single piece of gun legislation on the books today.

      • sorry Darryl but rights also need to be fought for to keep them. Sad fact is that there are evil men and women in the world who dont care a lick for your natural, inalienable rights that are part and parcel of being a sentient being. i say sentient being rather than just human because for animals for example also have the right to self defence etc. Try taking that away from some in particular, eg beat a dog badly

    • Unfortunately, they will have no problem passing it in 2019. The House being majority RAT will pass every anti gun bill presented. Will the Senate go along? All the whining and lies to be broadcast in favor of it will cause the spineless to buckle. Trump already screwed us on bump stocks, so don’t be too surprised if this garbage passes. The communists in the media will be bleeding “Common Sense” gun laws 24/7.

      • “Unintended Consequences”

        You underestimate your enemy. I submit that when it comes to government regulation of the populace, very little consequence is unintended. Kinda like “loopholes” are features when the government can exploit them, crimes when the public exploits them.

    • Might get through the Congress, BUT unlikely to make it through the Senate. And IF by some dumb chance it does I know certain NY Senators that will be looking for a new line of work. But I truly do not see this passing…

    • For those of you who are missing the point of some of these comments, please allow me to re-word the intent: Vaguely written laws and regulations allow wiggle room for law enforcement. That wiggle room can be used as justification to detain and/or pursue charges against an individual for whatever reason the government has. Al Capone was wanted for murder, extortion, bribery, etc. but what they convicted him of was tax fraud.

  2. This bill has 16 cosponsors. Perhaps lets keep an eye on it but actually focus on things that matter. Of course contact your congressman (mine is a Communist btw) but by all means if you lose sleep over this one you aren’t very astute.

    • You forgot to put “quotation marks” on that statement, and the “Warsaw Jew, 1939” attribution at the end.

  3. And if you haven’t already stockpiled a lifetime supply of rifles and pistols by now then you are a moron.

      • I’ve got a lifetime (mine), of .22.
        Other calibers? I’ve gotta ways to go.
        I need moar 9mm, .45, .300 blackout, and .300 wsm.

        • You need way more than any of that.
          Not sure what you guys think youre protecting with a .22, 9mm , the 300wm ok. .
          But when the shit hits the fan and if you think about what you may be up against, what are you penetrating with a .22 ?
          If we or when we should be fighting a 2nd revolution, you aren’t going up against a military on a fair field like it was in 1775, you’ll be up against weapons like m134a that you most likely won’t have cover from, so you better be buying rifles with the capability to go thru armor . .
          My friends used to say “”what the hell are you going to hunt with that””, I said “”a govt that’s gone tyrannical and coming for us””, not much your ar is getting thru, but I know I can get thru ar500 steel at 1″ thick and three 12″ diameter trees with these , not much you can hide behind from them and that’s all I care about. .
          .

      • Michael , totally right. Keep them well oiled ,and ready. And most important , get as much ammo as you possibly can , while we still can. I would bet that we will soon see empty ammo shelves at our local places of purchase. Stock up now !!

      • Assuming you own a 9mm and a 5.56, a couple hundred rounds is all you need for TEOTWAWKI, you can always just pick it up off the ground, but for normal uses you might want to anticipate a drought.

    • +1
      I’d add to Michael’s reply ref having a stockpile of ammo to consider learning to reload and stocking up on ammo components over the next few years. Ammo shortage? What ammo shortage.

      I would also suggest a minimum of two rifles, two handguns, and two shotguns. Toss in enough parts to keep what you have in good repair.

      The bunch that are soon to takeover the House don’t seem that smart and have forgotten the new makeup of SCOTUS, the Senate, or who is in the Whitehouse. Guess they have to throw a burger to their base to keep them happy even if the burger is all bread and no meat.

      • Jeff the idea of taking up reloading to avoid a future ammo shortage sounds like a sound plan unless you remember that during the last ammo drought reloading supplies were hard to come by as well. I learned my lesson. I try to keep the calibers I own to the most popular which usually means the cheapest. 22lr, 9mm, .223, .308, and 12 Guage shotgun. Then I try to buy a box of one them on payday. If I find a great sale like when I found Winchester M-22 ammo for half off at wally world I get as much as I can. Find a friend to split a large online order with you works well too.

        • Buy components while you can and police your brass when you’re at the range. You will rapidly find that you have the ability to make more ammo than you have patience to sit down and actually make.

        • you have to adjust your goals a little. If you want to keep shooting your pet load that gets you 1/349034 MOA, then you have to be picky. I you just want something that goes bang and is accurate enough, you can get by with some of the less popular powders that are more likely to stay on the shelves longer. I know I ran into that the last time around. .223 has a ton of suitable powders.The issue I had was getting primers. Well, getting primers that weren’t 2x the regular price.

          also keep an eye out for deals on bullets. Midway often has “blemished” .224 bullets cheap per 500. I can’t see a blemish, so I assume they are unbalanced or something. For general shooting, you can get a bunch cheap and stock up

      • +1 Learn to reload. Brass is easy to find at the range. One pound of powder ($30) will load about 1200 pistol rounds. Just be sure to have enough primers and lead.

      • My personal philosophy on this has always been to have one firearm in each of the “common” calibers and enough ammunition for each to “get through” initial situations. Forage for what you can after that from the dead.

        If the world descends into chaos, there will likely be plenty of ammo lying around and enough to get you through a few engagements will put you into a position to gather more.

        If the world gets tossed back to the stone age, make sure you have a couple of flintlock firearms, powder, bullet molds and instructions on making more powder.

        If you are looking to be “wealthy” after an apocalypse or civil unrest, then stockpile things that have tangible value in a collapsed society (Venezuela). the AFT is a good model, Alcohol, tobacco and firearms/ammo. Build a storage bunker and stockpile with things you can barter with. Seeds are also a good stockpile (and inexpensive) item.

    • Or you have a family and other financial obligations, and you don’t have a big income. I am not going to feed my kids mac and cheese everyday to stock pile gun parts and ammo.

      • If you don’t have, in your home, an AR (with mags/acccess and ammo) for each kid then you area WRONG. When it stars are going to hand them a baseball bat or a yard rake. Think that college savings plan will matter?

        • far better than college is to instill in them a love of learning and teaching themselves along with thinking for themselves. Mass education these days is simply and indoctrination program for those who would see us all slaves

    • In addition to a boatload of AR’s I already owned, I bought 2 lowers a month for the year before the 2016 election. I’m also good on pistols. I reckon I have a larger stockpile of firearms and ammo than my metropolitan police force.

      • Should have bought upper barrel assemblies and triggers, those parts are significantly harder to make than a lower.

    • If your state passes a red flag law, the police can search your property and seize any firearm they can find if someone with a relationship to you or a law enforcement official or judge make a statement; you then have to court to get them back.

      However if they find something “illegal”…

        • Hrm no. Oh they’ll gladly put a bullet in each of our heads, but it won’t be with surgical precision.

        • Had the Russians stood up to the bolsheviks it would have been game over. They didn’t, and it cost them 20-30,000,000 lives.

        • over the life of the soviet union it may well be that the figure may be closer to 120,000,000. This is from people such as Alexander Solzhenitzyn

      • That’s great to say but when troops show up on your doorstep with actual automatic weapons are you going to commit suicide by soldier?

        Decide now.

        Remember one elected official already threatened to nuke people who didn’t disarm.

  4. I don’t build guns; this proposed law doesn’t affect me. If I did build guns, it would be a shotgun or a sporting rifle, not an assault weapon, so this law wouldn’t affect me. I only have a .22 target pistol; low caliber guns don’t cause crimes, so this law wouldn’t affect me. Only people with dangerous guns should be concerned.

    Everyone knows that every gun must have a registered serial number so police can track down the killers and robbers. It is settled science that serial numbers on guns result in identifying the killer or shooter in just about 99% of the cases. Guns without numbers cannot be traced, guns with numbers result in arrests in quick time.

    The Second Amendment protects the right to have some guns, it does not protect the right for individuals to make their own; only certified manufacturers should be able to make guns. There have been 307 mass shootings (meaning bunches and bunches of people killed), and untraceable guns make the problem for cops worse. Serialized and registered guns save lives because cops can stop the killer quickly, before more people are shot. People aren’t the problem. People with guns are the problem. Stop blaming gun deaths on people who don’t have guns, and people who shouldn’t have guns !

    Beware the trap.

    • There aren’t enough hours in the day to comment on this hot mess…..Unless of course this is some really good sarcasm…

      • “There aren’t enough hours in the day to comment and point out all that is just either ignorant or outright wrong on this hot mess..”

        It is actually more simple than you think. Have another go at it.

        Just for laughs.

      • “You turned the sarcasm nob all the way up to 11.”

        Glad you enjoyed it. Hope you got a coupla laughs.

      • “Yeah I heard there was 87 mass shootings today alone.”

        I think you misunderstood what you heard – the number was clearly 97.

          • “I heard there were 6 Gorillion mass shootings today.”

            Now you’re just makin’ stuff up; no Creedmoor ammunition was involved.

        • Oh you are correct. Just like how over 2 million Americans are killed per day by gun violence overall.

          • “Oh you are correct. Just like how over 2 million Americans are killed per day by gun violence overall.”

            Indisputable fact; saw it on the internet.

        • That was in Chicago alone, the rest of the USA was out hunting and no mass shootings and there was about million guns involved…

          • “That was in Chicago alone, the rest of the USA was out hunting and no mass shootings and there was about million guns involved…”

            Are you sure? Some of those hunters use weapons of war. Easily take out an entire herd of elk at once.

        • Who was it announced that we were having 97 million killed every day? Was that Obama? I barely survived the laughing fit.

          • “97” was a correction to alleged reports of 87 mass shootings on the day the comment was lodged (meaning the same number happen every day). Not sure how “million” got in there. the Virginia governor did claim 93 million are killed every day, but not 93 million mass shootings every day.

          • “Apparently 1 million people are killed in each mass shooting. That’s the real definition of “mass” shooting…”

            Actually….no.

            Former DNC chairman and former Virginia governor Terry McCauliff declared that 93 million are killed by guns every day !

    • I admit you had me perplexed and even a bit fooled the first time I saw one of your posts here. Now I’m a fan. Well done.

    • Tell that to the folks in Washington State 10/22s are now a assault rifle there and so are semi auto shotguns .

    • There has NEVER been a mass murder committed with a firearm that started as an 80% receiver.

      I have a couple of guns that I bought legally in high school that were never serialized as there was not a legal requirement to do so.

      • “There has NEVER been a mass murder committed with a firearm that started as an 80% receiver.”

        But it could happen. Somebody might snap. Having secret guns encourages ne’er do wells to be more edgy than the average person. Secret guns make it impossible to trace the weapon to the criminal (and would reduce the number of bad people arrested for gun crime). Besides, it is no more difficult to get a gun than buying a package of pumpkin seed. Plenty of guns available at stores, only someone wanting to hide from law enforcement would want a gun that can’t be traced to them. People like that harbor anger and hate and bad feelings and stuff. If a person is not considering a crime, what difference does it make whether the gun has a serial number? If you aren’t doing anything wrong, what is the problem letting people know you are building a gun, and acting like a responsible gun builder? Taking your guns away might not be the way to go, but following common sense gun laws preventing secret guns is just rational, reasonable, caring and safer for everyone.

    • All good sarcasm has the seeds of “you have been trolled.” Including “settled science” was artful.

      • “All good sarcasm has the seeds of “you have been trolled.” Including “settled science” was artful.”

        The keys for those reading beyond the surface were: “settled science”; “bunches and bunches”; “Beware the trap”.

        I try to make comments sound plausible as a liberal mush-brain might write, but say things even the most muddled-brained anti-gunner would never say.

    • Let me see, I don’t build guns so this law does not effect me, however, I do own a drill press and I do have scrap metals laying around. Mostly brass fittings from plumbing jobs, some aluminum and steal, as well. Does this mean I could be arrested, because I have the means although not the ability, aka the talent or knowledge to fabricate a billet.

      I own very few guns, a 9mm Pc carbine riffle, a 9 mm pistol, and a 22lr. I had some ammo on hand, which then my family from California came to visit over thanksgiving holiday and we shot it up and now I am ammo poor with the exception of one magazine for the pistol until next sale or visit.

      Now since I bought my guns at a big box store and all guns are registered, and if this law passes do they have the right to come to my home without a warrant to check to make sure I’m compliant.

      So how would they know who is making them, and if I go to the gun range does that mean they (the law) have a right to harass me now without a warrant and check my guns to make sure they have a serial number because they have probable cause to suspect that all weapons may be a ghost anytime they see one, giving them (the law) just cause to harass without a warrant because suspicion is enough.

      I can see how this law might infringe on the second amendment but what about the 4th, the 5th, and the 14th. I can see how it might infringe on those as well which would mean these people (aka law makers) are going to war with the constitution and is that not treason.

      If that is the case then those people (the ones warring against the constitution) looses their position in the government, at least that is how the law is written. So why don’t we use that against them? It states anyone under the color of law that wars against the constitution commits treason loose their immunity and can be sued or arrested as an individual for violating peoples constitutional rights.

  5. If passed by the House it dies in the Senate.

    And by “dies” I do mean “dies” something like this won’t hang around for potential passage later. A Senate committee or sub-committee will flat out kill it dead if for no other reason that to spite the Democrats in the House.

      • You made my point for me. Additionally this is a sop to the anti-gun left, since it automatically gets trashed as soon as the next Congress gets sworn in come January.

        The real danger is a Red Flag bill since stupid Republican Senators could easily fall for it. There are still too many go along to get along Republican Senators in D.C.

        • I think the article makes a good point, and I don’t think we should count on our Senate to save our rights for us. People already sound complacent “ha, this will automatically die in the Senate or Trump will veto. Let’s just go to sleep politically, we are safe.”

          Apparently then we have given up on anything pro gun being done unless it comes from the Supreme Court, and if we just go to sleep for the next two years we have no guarantee for the next elections either. This is a good example of trying to chip away at gun rights piece by piece. Sure they will offer some AWB bills, but also see what is the minimum amount of gun control they can get. Do people not understand or support 3D printed guns? They will go for that. Or maybe a small gun violence tax on ammo? Tweak an import law, raise the NFA tax by $50, they just need a good shooting scare, some dead kids, and need to do something… Florida Republicans were willing to pass a vague ban on possession of bump stocks and maybe binary triggers or cranks or belts, raise purchase age to 21, tried really hard to accept a two year moratoriums on AR sales by voice vote, and red flag, and however things end up we will be getting a new gun control senator from Florida.

          I don’t think that an overt ban all rifles or confiscate AR bill would, but I could see some more incremental losses if we aren’t vigilant.

          I still want to be able to buy parts kits and import stuff, I am not content with “well, I got my cnc machine and block of metal so I can make what I want.” I want to be able to purchase what I want and possess what I want without having to make it on the sly. That doesn’t sound like freedom to me.

        • The point Rusty was making is simply this: unless the bill passes out of the House and is voted on by the Senate prior to midnight, January 2, 2019, it dies and a new bill will have to be introduced by the new House members after they are sworn in on January 3. Basically, this particular bill is on life support; it is only a problem when it rises from the dead next session with a new number.

        • Rusty:

          A good point on the red flag bill. That one is common sensical enough that the morons might go for it.

          Unspoken:

          I’m sure as hell not suggesting that anyone “go to sleep”. I’m just pointing out that this bill doesn’t have a chance in hell of passing.

          The Dems in the House are playing games. And if you think about it so are the Republicans in the Senate. They’ll probably pass this bill in the House, it will go to the Senate and it will die there. Then the Democrats will say to their base “Well we tried to get some common sense gun laws on the books but those damn Republicans stopped us!”. Meanwhile the Republicans will run to their base and say “Those bastard Democrats in the House tried to restrict your gun rights but we stopped ’em cold!”.

          Both sides will put this in mailers, emails and any other communications that they can with the attached message being “We did/tried to do right by you. Please give us money and votes!”

        • “I still want to be able to buy parts kits and import stuff, I am not content with “well, I got my cnc machine and block of metal so I can make what I want.” I want to be able to purchase what I want and possess what I want without having to make it on the sly. That doesn’t sound like freedom to me.”

          Im with unspoken on this

          Im a builder and not being able to buy parts kits or build anything would suck big time

    • I hope the Senate kills the UN Arms Trade Treaty while they can. Come to think of it, with crap like UN General Assembly Report A/73/305, maybe the Senate should try to kill the UN.

  6. “Complacency and an expectation someone else will handle the heavy lifting have brought us to this point. For all the claims of Second Amendment support in the gun community, far too few actually take active steps to maintain those rights, let alone further them.”

    “Someone else?” You mean the NRA who millions of gun owners have donated time & money to for decades, so they can help fight this battle? Because they were told by sources like this website the whole time no one could fight the anti’s but the trusty 800lb gorilla? Because they eagerly suck all the oxygen out of the room for an *actual* national-scale civil rights activist organization to develop?

    For all the claims of Second Amendment support in the NRA, they’ve done Jack squat in the last couple decades to do anything but *sometimes* help focus resistance against the passage of more gun control at the state or federal level. State level victories are almost unanimously the work of local state groups, with at best some small measure of legal or financial NRA backing. They’ve had decades to badger reps to vote on bills that take our vulnerable issues off the table permanently, they’ve had decades to primary out worthless turds that can’t be bothered to do anything but soak up fundraising dollars at their convention while spitting pretty words about freedom and civil rights. And now we find ourselves, once again, with the NRA back on its heels, after both failing to lobby successfully on our behalf against gun control, as well as dividing their own membership by failing to clearly reject pointless gun control measures like banning bump stocks and red flag laws. And that assessment is being VERY charitable. We all know they actually endorsed these measures briefly before reaping a huge backlash from outraged members and reversing course, further ruining whatever lobbying impact they were attempting to make.

    No need to restate the whole train of abuses and failures; we’re all very aware of them at this point, whether we still have faith in the NRA or not. We need to boot the leadership next spring; there is really no alternative left at this point. By the time the NRA collapses under its own incompetent management or is completely converged by the GOP into a political fundraising organ, we’ll have no rights left. The NRA will never get out of the way and let a serious group come onto its stage and start making meaningful progress; it is too invested in the status quo of patchwork gun control and creeping incrementalism. It must be reformed from within, by the members, in person, at the convention; there is no other better option remaining that will get the attention of the plutocratic and ineffective management.

    • Amen. I’m a strong NRA supporter. Patriot Life Benefactor (whatever that is) member, who has contributed a ton of $$$. Particularly when the call to arms came out in Washington on I-1639, I stepped up my contributions. They had a few “grassroots” organizing meetings, but I saw not one, not a single one commercial or even lawn sign (except my own) against this initiative. SAF and CCRKBA were also invisible in the campaign for this. I’m royally pissed off that my contributions went for naught – unless SAF is playing sixteen dimensional chess to get it thrown out in the courts (good luck with that, in our leftist leaning state supreme court.

      I’m not really too worried about this latest anti-gun atrocity seeing the light of the House floor. But I’m really concerned that if it did, will onlinemetals.com be banned from advertising 7075 bar stock? Because that’s all I need to machine all the AR-15 lowers I want in my garage. This proposed law drips of prior restraint in so many ways, even if it passed, it would be struck down quickly. Filing this bill was the Democrat’s version of National Reciprocity and the Hearing Protection Act. “Hey lookee! Doing something for our constituents!” and then not a peep after that.

    • “Complacency and an expectation someone else will handle the heavy lifting have brought us to this point. For all the claims of Second Amendment support in the gun community, far too few actually take active steps to maintain those rights, let alone further them.”
      Soros or Bloomberg paying for you now? We regular everyday Americans have been donating and calling for the past year and the NRA and other groups that we have generously donated to and joined sit on their hands or gives another inch.
      Have been asleep the last year? the NRA boosted record membership and donations! I know many local groups that had a growth explosion. Yet you blame us, the everyday gun owner who has done all you mentioned and more? WTF you should put the blame where it belongs, these huge gun groups that take and take and take but never seem to spend other than a small case here and there. and you blame us? shame on you!
      In case you were wondering, Yes! this article insulted me!!

      • “Yes! this article insulted me!!”

        Once a person is insulted, it is difficult to carry on a conversation…but let me try.

        The thrust of the article is that too many (not every) pro-2A people donate cash to some group in hopes that group will “fight the fight”. The assertion is true. The rub is in the low energy gun owners display on the national scene.

        I watched a number of videos and news reports about the thousands and thousands who filled stadiums and convention centers, just to hear President Trump. The crowds were simply enormous. But the contrast is the most recent pro-gun rally in Tallahassee – 500 people, on a Saturday. We accept that there are at least 100,000,000 gun owners. Why do we not see Trump-like rallies for protecting and preserving the Second Amendment? If gun owners could routinely fill events with the numbers who attend Trump rallies, we could not be ignored by media, and we would thoroughly swamp any squishy politicians. It is called a grass roots movement. The Tea Party did not grow out of any organization; look what was accomplished. Why do we not have such a movement to represent gun owners?

        We need people to donate to organizations to fight in the courts. We need people to donate to organizations who can effectively lobby legislatures. But we need to find a way to energize a crowd of millions who make themselves visible and heard. Look at Trump rallies. Do you suspect there are people in the crowd who are gun owners? Most? Some? A few? What keeps large numbers of gun owners from leveraging their numbers? How do we overcome that?

        This is not a matter of you being accused personally, it is a matter of energizing the base (POTG), and becoming a force that can’t be ignored.

        • Can not be ignored & will not be ignored !! There is no room for passive aggressive in this fight , we stand up for our right’s , we do not allow the anti’s to steal what our founding fathers granted us. That is how it must be. The true criminals , are the ones that want to take what is rightfully ours. As someone said ” banning bumpstock’s they used 3/4 of their inch ” that is all they get.

          • Not sure of the object here, but the matter of the moment isn’t whether to take action, or take no action, but which actions. And by whom. The organizations? The gun owners? Both? How?

    • Gun Owners of America is the worthy gun rights group that COULD replace the NRA, if at a minimum, gun owners would stop being so damn wedded to the NRA for nothing in return. The original article has a point… with over 100 million gun owners in the USA, and the NRA having a paltry 6 million members, there should be at least 5-10 times as many gun owners joining an effective gun rights group and being active in the fight to protect our rights at all levels of government.

      Everyone needs to stop ASSUMING. Stop assuming that someone else will do anything, stop assuming that antigun measures will be defeated, stop assuming that lawsuits or a criminal case or a black swan event will magically make everything alright once again.

      “A constitution of government, once changed from freedom, can NEVER be restored. Liberty, once lost is LOST FOREVER.” – John Adams (emphasis mine)

      All of you had better start preparing as though America is about to go full Communist, complete with secret police, secret courts, gulags, millions executed by murder squads, EVERYTHING. Because it will be a FACT next time the Demorats get full control of the government, and they WILL, it is just a matter of time. They are getting desperate and they’re willing to commit wholesale election rigging, GOP be damned, and the GOP will do shit about it.

      When it happens, you’d better have tens of thousands of rounds laid up, cached in strategic hides, along with the B’s: beans bandages bibles etc. You had better already invested lots of time training tactically with a group of people you know and trust as a citizens militia should. You had better developed tactics, techniques and procedures to deal with as many contingencies as your imagination can dream of. You had better develop a resistance support network to allow you to fight an insurgency, and the communications to go with it!

      Look; you’re barking up the wrong tree if you think that ANY part of the government will be nice to us, let alone ‘save us’. No lawyers will take us back to 1776. No courts will do that either. Everything since 1933 has been a holding action and thanks to the feckless surrender monkeys of the NRA, we have been losing major ground since 1968 – that was 50 years ago. Lost liberty is NEVER restored.

      If you truly TRULY want your kids, your grandkids and posterity to be free, you’d better Ranger Up and prepare to fight while you’re young enough to do it… Because telling yourself that you’ll wait till the time is right, or that you’ll fight when they knock on your door, or when the decree goes out, that means you are planning on waiting till it’s too late. And it will be time to shit or get off the pot when the decree goes out, not after.

      OK, I’m done venting my spleen. Rise to the occasion, gentlemen! Don’t be all talk but no action, like so many backwoods militia groups over the last 25 years. Dare to be as great as the founding generation, so that this nation may have a rebirth of freedom and not perish from this earth!

  7. So, what are they gonna do about that CNC machine in my shop? Also, that chunk of aluminum? (That’s aluminium for you folks across the pond.)

    • “So, what are they gonna do about that CNC machine in my shop? Also, that chunk of aluminum? (That’s aluminium for you folks across the pond.)”

      Should a law like this actually be passed and signed, one should expect the term “constructive possession” to become a “norm”. The mischief potential is high for prohibiting imports of raw steel/aluminum, possessing certain machinery that is capable of making “secret parts” if the right materials are purchasable (or on-hand).

    • As I read it, your CNC seems safe, until the next bill to come, but as long as you are not planning sale, acquisition, distribution in commerce, advertising of such, or import of your firearm receiver blank chunk of aluminum, you probably won’t need to have serial numbers on your chunk of aluminum, for now. However, I would be ordering that etching kit and start coming up with a number to etch on it soon.
      I wonder what would happen if everyone etched the same number on their receivers.