By DrVino
You may have heard that just after the ninth circuit’s Peruta ruling, the Orange County sheriff revised her policy on concealed carry license issuance, effectively making the O.C. a shall issue jurisdiction (background check and 16 hours of training notwithstanding). There is some anecdotal reporting that the Ventura County cheriff has made a similar move, but a quick Google search of headlines did not return any confirmation of this. In any case, not long after the change in Orange County, the San Diego sheriff announced that he won’t appeal the decision . . .
While a number of pro-Second Amendment groups have postulated the numbers of potential CCW permits that will be added in coming years as a result of the ruling, various editorial boards, both large and small, have huddled together and, with trembling hands, pecked out lengthy op-eds full of FUD. Somehow, though, most Californians are undaunted by the potential for the torrents of hemoglobin flowing in the streets. Never mind the apparent lack of codification of the decision, the potential for an appeal by the Best Looking Attorney General (who’s also running for reelection), or any other tectonic shifts relating to the change in the law.
A good, trustworthy friend (who lives in da O.C.) just called to let me know he has an interview date for his CCW: September 23rd. Six months. He made his application today. This friend is an avid shooter who got me into Front Sight and has completed that school’s training, making him eligible for CCW in something like 31 states. To his understanding, he’ll still be required to complete one of the Cali-based 16-hour CCW classes (at additional expense) as part of his CCW permitting process.
I know there are many Front Sight members in California and many who have taken multiple two- and four-day pistol classes there. The curriculum at Front Sight is good enough for more than 30 states. I hope we can get the relevant California authorities to see it fit not not require additional training and costs of CA CCW applicants.
My friend said there is much chatter on the Calguns.net forum with some San Diego residents reporting interview dates being scheduled as far out as 2015. Others are reporting repeated calls to their respective issuing offices going unanswered. I have not had a chance to verify this yet.
Nevertheless, I’m sure prospective carriers in the rest of America don’t face these obstacles. Even a med school friend, now residing in Washington (Space Needle Washington, not a-spent-12-gage-shell-will-land-you-in-prison Washington) says their process is supposed to take a maximum of 30 days and his first permit was made ready in about a week.
These schedules of interviews in 2015 may be due to a run on an unprepared bureaucracy. It may also be that, as Dan Silverman speculated in our phone conversation earlier today, there may be a deliberate effort to drag feet afoot. The whole “never attribute to malice…” thing is always good advice. In this case, I guess time will tell.
DrVino
I know this is going to rub a lot of Grendel fanboys (and fangirls!) the wrong way, but it’s not the end-all, be-all silver savior from on-high that I’ve heard it touted as.
Let’s get one thing straight right off the bat: 6.5 Grendel is not easily available. Not even in the slightest.
Now let’s get into the meat and potatoes of the discussion: ballistics. When you are actually fair in your comparisons, when talking about match loadings for both rounds, the 6.5 Grendel doesn’t even begin to touch the 7.62MM — especially with loads like the M118LR (or their factory clones). Not even when you load the Grendel to the gills and top it with a 123-grain Scenar (even out of a 24″ barrel). Literally the only advantage the Grendel has at that point is a flatter trajectory and an overall (slightly) lighter system. It doesn’t carry nearly as much energy at any range (not even out to 1,000 meters, much less beyond that), and doesn’t even have better sectional density so it won’t penetrate as well, either.
You can dope both rounds on any reasonably accurate ballistic software, inputting current weather conditions if you like, and see that this is exactly the case. The math doesn’t lie.
Then, there’s the magazines. There aren’t any true 30-round capacity magazines out there for it, and to get them you would be forced to blow out the mag well even more than LWRC did for their new SIX8 platform due to the size of the case (which is actually fatter than the 6.8 SPC).
(Speaking of which, I’m still wondering when LWRC is going to make public the TDP for their SIX8 like they said they would. I’m putting my money on next SHOT Show at the earliest.)
Oh, and don’t bother going SBR with it. There are better cartridges out there for that.
If I had to choose an odd-ball caliber, at the present moment it would probably be .300 BLK. It’s still more available and more affordable (thought not by a whole lot it seems) than either the 6.5 G or the 6.8 SPC, and there aren’t any proprietary lowers or magazines to worry about, either.
After that, it would be the 6.8 SPC. Why? ‘Dem P-mags, brah. ‘Nuff said. It’s more available, though certainly not any cheaper, than the 6.5 G.
High BC usually means deep penetration. That is why the various 6.5mm cartridges are legal to hunt moose with in Norway.
Forget 24″ barrels, because they are impractical for both DM’s, Snipers, and hunters unless you’re just sitting static. Let’s go 16″ barrels for both, and don’t even use the higher BC 123gr Scenar, go with a 123gr SMK, A-MAX, or Nosler Custom Competition. At no point does the 175gr SMK have 50% more energy than the Grendel.
Muzzle: 16″ Grendel has 83% of the energy of the 175gr SMK from a 7.62 16″ Carbine
400yds: 16″ Grendel has 85% of the energy of the 175gr
1000yds: 16″ Grendel still has 82% of the energy
Recoil is at least 40% less, wind drift is better, trajectory is better. Gun and ammo are lighter, more capacity. Faster follow-up, and barrier defeat will be better with Grendel due to SD plus impact speed.
Don’t bother SBR’ing a Grendel? Does 2500fps from a 10.5″ barrel with a 100gr Berger get your attention? The 14.5″ Grendel with 123gr is still supersonic at 1000yds with 59F temp at seal level. At the lowest point in Afghanistan, it would be supersonic to 1100yds at 59F. Factory Hornady A-MAX Match clocks 2420fps from a 14.5″ Saber Defense Grendel carbine.
After all those years humping that beastly M24, I feel truly cheated. I could have had an M4A1 chambered in Grendel, with better practical performance, and still be able to fight at CQB ranges, which you simply can’t do with a bolt-action target rifle with a Palma profile barrel.
I have my application ready to go for Alameda county, but I fully expect that mine will be one of the last to capitulate.
6.5G is the DeLorean of the gun world. An awesome product that simply failed to garner the critical mass needed for a viable future, despite its superiority to market comparables. I would love to put a 6.5G upper together, but I am stopped by the lack of support and ammo.
You got to be joking, the Delorean was a piece of crap
“Nevertheless, I’m sure prospective carriers in the rest of America don’t face these obstacles”
This has been going on in NY forever. We’re talking having to wait a year to purchase a handgun in some counties. The funny thing is that the law says:
4-a. Processing of license applications. Applications for licenses
shall be accepted for processing by the licensing officer at the time of
presentment. Except upon written notice to the applicant specifically
stating the reasons for any delay, in each case the licensing officer
shall act upon any application for a license pursuant to this section
within six months of the date of presentment of such an application to
the appropriate authority. Such delay may only be for good cause and
with respect to the applicant…
So how do they get around it? They won’t let you pick get application without an appointment. You can’t get an appointment for 6 months. Therefore they don’t start the clock until you’ve already been waiting a ridiculous amount of time.
Infringed, indeed.
“Nevertheless, I’m sure prospective carriers in the rest of America don’t face these obstacles”
This has been going on in NY forever.
Uh, I think New York is still formally part of the former U.S.S.R.
Seriously TTAG, fact check.
Maybe if I do it in all caps this time, someone will finally get the message?
KAMALA HARRIS IS NOT A PARTY TO PERUTA, AND PERUTA WAS AN “AS APPLIED” CHALLENGE, NOT A FACIAL CHALLENGE. AS SUCH, NEITHER SHE, NOR CA DOJ, NOR GOV. BROWN, NOR OBAMA, NOR SANTA CLAUS, NOR JESUS, NOR THE TOOTH FAIRY MAY APPEAL OR REQUEST EN BANC REHEARING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
There are two possible ways Peruta can be drawn out currently:
1) a member of the 9th requests an en banc rehearing and the majority of 9th Cir. judges vote for it. A stay is not a given in this case.
2) San Diego says “aha! We never said we wouldn’t petition for cert. to SCOTUS!”. A stay is not a given in this case.
Leave the legal FUD to Calguns.net and the cops.
I’m working on my own wildcat, the 6.65 Ralph. It fits exactly between the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 SPC, because why not. For example, when shooting an eight pointer at precisely 114.36 yards with a quartering wind of 12.2 mph from out of the west, the 6.65 Ralph is just the ticket.
If the wind is out of the east, you can’t use the 6.65 Ralph. However, I’m solving that problem with the 6.65 Hplar, which spins in the opposite direction.
Gee, that’s a lot of work to duplicate the ballistics of a century old .30-30. Yeah, I know….it uses pointy bullets.
.30-30 ballistics? The .30-30 can’t hold water much farther than 150-200yds. Drops like a rock. Great little close-range medium game killer though.
The Grendel will reach out to well over 3 or 4 times the .30-30’s range, and will buck the wind within closer hunting distances better than any other cartridge that fits in the AR15 action.
Deer hunting duty…check
Thick hog hide pass-throughs….check (multiple accounts of double-kills with one bullet)
Predator duty….you’d be hard pressed to find a better factory cartridge that fires from the AR15 to hunt coyotes and wolves.
Big game….check Hunters have been using premium bullets from the Grendel to kill Caribou, Elk, and even Moose. Some of the Elk and Caribou DRT’s have been at 400yds, with consecutive kills in 2-day periods, from skilled riflemen.
And you can actually practice with it, and so can your kids, with no recoil penalty, so you can actually get good at hitting vital zones, unlike the magnums and their insane recoil that builds flinching in many shooters, and is out of the practical use for smaller framed individuals, like the ladies(who we really need to get more involved in hunting).
“Maybe the 1911 handgun comes in second.” As far as the most recognizable weapon.
I think the M-16 in its original form would come in second.
The AK is distinctive, IMO, for its curved magazine and “double barrel” appearance: in silhouette or full light they’re hard to mistake.
For the M-16, it’s the carry handle on top plus the tapering plastic forestock. Again, pretty unique silhouette that’s not readily confused for another gun not in the same family.
While I love my 1911, someone who doesn’t know firearms could mistake it at first, second or third glance, for my CZ 75. It’s happened.
Accusations of being a “racist” are now so common in the American public discussion as to be meaningless. Further, the criteria for being judged a “racist” have become so broad and so conflated with whatever else the accuser “doesn’t like” at the moment that you can find an angle to throw the “racist” card at almost anyone over most anything you choose to.
So, I don’t care if MDA is a “racist” organization, or not, because I can no longer discern a clear, consistent definition of what it is to be a “racist”. I do, however, find their use of images that invoke “racist” elements to be objectionable because it amounts to smugly inferring the meaningless constitutes an unassailable, valid argument supporting their anti-Second Amendment, anti Liberty, anti-Freedom agenda of controlling what EVERYONE else thinks or does. The fact that these people think they can have such an agenda makes them completely and fundamentally wrong in the first place, and there’s no need for any further discussion or consideration of any other aspect of their behavior.
The AR is an excellent range toy. Because of the insane level of modularity of the platform, I always love taking my AR to the range, because I have everything tweaked to be exactly what I want. However, for a combat rifle, I’d much rather take my AK. Sure, the accuracy isn’t as good, but IMO, it is “good enough”. In a SHTF situation, if I could only take one of my rifles, I’d grab my AK. The difference in reliability is simply too much. I absolutely despise the iron sights on the AK platform (their restrictiveness makes tracking a moving target much more difficult, and rapid target acquisition also isn’t easy with them). But everything else is exactly what I’d need from a combat rifle, especially in a SHTF situation, where I probably wouldn’t be able to keep it lubed properly at all times, and where limited availability of bullets would mean that high tolerances for different types of ammo would be a non-trivial advantage.
Shooters should own both. If forced to choose between them, I would select the AR. I have a vastly larger amount of training time on it than I do the AK. If I don’t have to haul my AR through a Tough Mudder race with the dust cover open I can keep it clean and functional. The modularity of the AR also allows one to configure it for any number of missions. AK ammo is less expensive, but there are far more different types of AR ammunition available. Plus, those of us who are Americans should have at least a passing familiarity with the primary rifle of our military forces.
I wish he would have made sure Mr. Moose was d.e.a.d. Don’t think the animal should suffer. Maybe shot placement took care of that, but driving off without checking it out…..of course I don’t know all the facts. And he sure deployed in short order.
@jwm – That’s funny! That is where my vast Moose experience comes from as well.
It’s a shame they can’t build an AK with the ergos of the AR. AR is a great range toy. AK is a back alley brawler.
I agree with DG’s sentiments about a SHTF rifle. He chose the 03 Springfield. My choice would be the #4 Lee Enfield.
I love both platforms. They each bring something unique to the fight. I like build ARs because of the ability to customize. I have multiple Saigas because they are fun projects to convert. Some of my guns I have never even taken to the range as I consider them just a project for now. Ammo for an AK 47 or 74 is dirt cheap which allows for a lot of cheap training.
Now, for SHTF, my AK is probably the weapon I will grab. It is rugged and does not need cleaning as much as AR15s. It is accurate out to 200-300 yards and can engage targets out farther if you have to.
Never, not in a thousand yrs…
Couldn’t she just wear a Browning decal?
“buck mark since it depicts a buck and a doe”
I’ve seen that graphic, 50 times, never noticed the doe….I’m better informed…thanks TTAG and tat’s.
From his Wikipedia page:
“He then attended college at Harvard University, where he graduated magna cum laude in three years with a bachelors degree in Biochemical Sciences.[5] Murthy received an MD from Yale School of Medicine and an MBA in Health Care Management from Yale School of Management in 2003.[6] He completed his residency in Internal Medicine in 2006 from Brigham and Women’s Hospital.[7]”
So, as I said, a typical Indian kid who was pushed to excel academically – and did so.
He’s been out of med school for 11 years and out of specialty training for 8.
Surgeon general?
I don’t think so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Murthy
Well, good thing it was only a 9mm…
Anything bigger and there would’ve been blood and body parts everywhere.
Point of order: Governmental bodies do not have rights. They have powers.
Only individuals have rights.
We’ve long since passed the mark where the pro gun rights comments for an anti gun article are more eloquent, well thought out and dispassionate than the anti article itself.
Well written Mr. Mortimer, pieces like this make me hopeful for the future of gun rights.
I’ve finally figured out what the designer had in mind. Your supposed to cover this thing with leather and make it look like a wallet, or billfold. Then when the soon to be sorry perp demands your money, you simply pull this thing out, and say, “Here’s my wallet, I’ll even open it up for you!”
BANG!
Correction: Utah state law DOES allow open carry on campus with a concealed carry permit. Hell, you can even open carry in elementary schools with a permit. The University of Utah has tried to impose its own ban on open carry but it is in contradiction with state law.
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