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Daily Digest: Signs and Traces Edition

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Seattle Gun Free Zone sign courtesy washingtonceasfire.orgOver 100 Seattle businesses have now chosen to advertise that their patrons are unarmed under a voluntary program administered by Washington Ceasefire in which businesses can sign up and download signs like the one above to place in their windows. According to seattlepi.com, the restaurant Oddfellows on Capitol Hill was the first to put up the signs. You can find them and the other 100 or so businesses to avoid over at gunfreeseattle.org. A reminder: Though no-gun signs do not carry the weight of law in Washington, you can be asked to leave. You’re encouraged to find other places to do business whenever possible.

As a followup to the recent post on your favorite thing about long-range shooting, NSSF tells you to “look for the trace” to help spot your shots. Seeing the trace is pretty neat, although for .22LR it’s easier to just look for the bullet, since that little lump of lead is flying slower than a winged mallard.

 
If it wasn’t completely obvious by now that Terry McAuliffe is a card-carrying member of the Civilian Disarmament Movement, take it from him in his own words, from the final gubernatorial debate last night. Stating unequivocally that more gun control is necessary, he said “I don’t care what grade I got from the NRA. I never want to see another Newtown or Aurora or Virginia Tech again.” Well, neither do the rest of us, bucko, but none of your sugar daddy’s proposed liberty-nullifying laws would have prevented any of those.

How’d you like to try to fit “Helicopter Rope Suspension Techniques Master” as your job title on a business card?

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  1. If you’re ever asked to leave a restaurant while you’re eating, NEVER pay. They’re kicking you out, so make them regret it.

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    • Good news about Gunfreeseattle – I’ve lived in Tacoma almost 14 years now and have NEVER visited any of the businesses on that list. Pretty sure I can go another 14 no sweat.

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  2. Yup. Forgot to mention bullet swirl in that previous post. That really is cool to watch.
    Going out again Sunday for some long range work.

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  3. Seems Washington shares one “common sense” gun law with Iowa – ‘ no-gun signs do not carry the weight of law’.

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  4. I remember when I was little a gun free sign was the result of Bubba needin to get rid of an old rifle in order to buy a new one and fudgin up the sign. What the hell happened to America???

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  5. Every one is different–my shopping process has varied wildly with each purchase. Here’s a few acquisition stories from my collection.

    My first purchase was a Beretta 92FS. I wanted it because it was fun to shoot in Rainbow Six: Vegas and I thought it would be fun for target practice and good to have just in case. I validated my “want” by reading about it and learning about its military pedigree, testing history, etc. I cemented the deal by visiting a LGS and handling one; I was hooked by the build quality and how it felt, and I bought it on the spot.

    Immediately after Newtown I saw ammo starting to disappear and the call to ban “assault weapons” heat up, and decided to get a .22 for plinking. I didn’t have a clue what was on the market and just started searching. I decided to grab something with “ban features” (over, say, a 10-22) in case that option might become unavailable soon. It was a nutnfancy review that pointed me toward a Sig 522 in the first place. Generally good online reviews and a closed-side magazine design sealed the deal. I found one at pre-panic prices online & jumped.

    TTAG introduced me to the Tavor. The article about the Tavor at SHOT suggested that everyone who laid hands on one loved it. I forgot all about it until I saw one at a LGS. I checked it out, but wasn’t particularly impressed. It didn’t seem to shoulder well, and it was pricy. When I got home I went back to the article and looked at some videos to see why everyone liked it so much. That’s when I learned about the 6-point hold and got to see all the engineering and ergonomics that make the Tavor a really interesting Bullpup design. Since they have been scarce online (so I was confident I could resell), and since I can share mags with my AR I decided to buy one and try it out. I fell in love, and am keeping it.

    My most recent purchase was a KSG. I was intrigued by the design from the first time a friend showed me a picture, and I spent the last 2-3 years researching and looking for one. I accepted that the KSG might be nothing more than a pricy range toy, so I was more willing to take a chance on quality & reliability than with other purchases. It was pure “gotta have it.” I set a personal spending limit of $1000 and waited patiently until I finally found one at that price. It turns out it’s really quite a nice gun (much better than my fears, the worst reviews and online speculation).

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  6. “Why do you think our culture should have these (guns)?”
    Because you have the highest violent crime rate in Europe and the good people of the UK should be allowed to defend themselves using the most effective means available. Why do you think that the people should remain defenseless?

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  7. Mr. Reporter needs to read up on the 1689 English Bill of Rights and British common law. Citizens of the UK do in fact have the right to keep and bear arms, in fact it was the EBOR that inspired many of the rights laid out in the US constitution, even the RKBA. The unfortunate thing is that their parliament chooses not to recognize this right and their citizens are not informed enough about it to demand it back.

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  8. From the Seattle Times article:

    Supporters acknowledge that businesses posting a gun-free zone sticker won’t stop a determined killer, but they hope that removing guns from local bars and stores could help ensure that “an argument doesn’t turn into a funeral,” said Ralph Fascitelli, board president of Washington CeaseFire.

    I’ve lived in Seattle almost my whole life and I can’t recall ever seeing an argument in public. I certainly can’t recall seeing any arguments that actually escalated to physical contact. I know they happen, but culturally we’re a bunch of Scandinavian Asians, so big public displays of emotion aren’t really a thing here.

    This is just about harassing gun owners, nothing else.

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  9. Unbelievably stupid. In what weird parallel universe to idiots such as this become the Chief of Police? Yeah I know, this is NOT isolated. That said, is this an example of the chicken and egg controversy? I don’t know if people of this mindset gravitate toward the position or the position tends to foster the behavior.
    The people need to fight back, literally. We don’t have the financial resources to combat this in court. We pay taxes which pays for the prosecution of victim Reed yet Reed will have to dig deep to stay out of jail when the arrest is completely unwarranted in the first place. The state should have to reimburse Reed if he is exonerated. However, since to be accused is to be found guilty, any testimony Reed presents will be considered to be self serving and not as credible as the “unbiased” police officers who have a leg up in the courts. For every witness the state presents, Reed will need at least two to successfully rebut.
    People need to hold these officers accountable ON THE STREETS. This idiot police chief has declared war on lawful activity and his support creates the environment within the department that lends itself to these confrontations. Folks, we will not win this in the courts, not without a benefactor with hugely deep pockets. Make it more expensive for them to go to work and abuse people than to do what is correct. We are being backed into a corner. As a state trooper I know here stated when he found out about women being struck with batons during the recent Veteran march on D.C. during the “shutdown, “One day the people are going to fight back”. We need to start.

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  10. That’s exactly right, and its one of the many glories of capitalism and a free society. Gun companies make money, NRA makes money, citizens can buy guns, its a happy world.

    Unless you’re a communist with an intent to turn America into a totalitarian, poverty stricken nightmare.

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  11. SIGH… another liberal anti from WI. I’m ready to start my own secession movement here. Give the libs Madison, Milwaukee and all the entire southern part of the state. Us liberty lovers will take the beautiful north. We’ll call it Free Wisconsin.

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  12. C’mon, people. We’re trying to maintain a monopoly on violence here. Stop being a part of the problem, and start being part of the final solution.

    (Did I say that out loud?)

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  13. Got a liberal square in the crosshairs and the elephant forgot to bring the mag with the ammo! Elephants never forget my asterisk!

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  14. I really don’t think a badge is a good idea.

    1. It makes you look like you’re mimicking or copying cops. Carry permit holders who aren’t cops aren’t cops.
    2. It alerts everyone who looks at you.
    3. Some states explicitly state what will be on the physical permit, and a badge is probably a violation of that statute.
    4. It costs money, whereas the physical card itself is included with the application fees.
    5. “Concealed” means “concealed.” Not flashing everyone a badge and stating that you have a permit. You’re supposed to be out of sight, out of mind. What’s the point of announcing to the public that you’re carrying concealed? It moots the entire point of carrying concealed: no one else should know.

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  15. I always assumed the only arrest powers were “citizen arrest” but that we gave peace officers great deal of leeway. Am I wrong?

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  16. Car dealers in a small town Central Texas where I grew up would provide newest model of cars for us kids to festoon with school colors and drive up and down main street for Annual Football Homing Coming Parade.. No doubt about it, “attempts to recruit the next generation of customers”

    What the is wrong with raising the generations to follow about safe driving & safe fire arms handling?
    Each can get to you or someone seriously hurt or killed, if you don’t have training or pay attention.

    No one is forcing anyone to drive or shoot, but being skilled in both can provide years of enjoyment and in emergencies can save your life.

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  17. Don’t like it. Doesn’t solve any problems, we already have ID that authorizes us to carry. Looks like you’re impersonating a LEO, and who wants to do that? Oh right………mall ninjas. Yeah, this should be right up their alley. :facepalm:

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  18. “This is a problem for me because I carry IWB at 3 o’clock and my wallet is IHP (Inside Hip Pocket) at 5 o’clock. ”

    I have carried my wallet in my front pocket for years because it is easier on the back than sitting on a wallet. I often carry at 4 o’clock or in the back pocket. That is my solution to this question.

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  19. I love this site and enjoy the perspective offered on many subjects…but even addressing this topic is a serious hit on credibility. Its completely ridiculous to consider carrying a badge for ccw. Not only that but it totally plays into the hands of antis that we are wanna be heros with delusions of grandeur…

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  20. When glocks got ta be a big deal, that was fine,, Some retards dont like a extra safty on a pistol that has none NONE,, Its the most unsafe pistol on earth , with retards saying , just dont pull trigger?? How fking stupid!!!
    If u were a cop and got into a fight over your weapon , who ever pulls trigger fires gun!! , No you have the option to engage a sideways pushed trigger block, u don have ta use it, nope, carry yor 200 rounds of 9 mm with one in pipe, shoot your balls off!! Or look at pistol and push safty on, you can carry in rear of jeans and not have a clump of tee shirt push unlocked trigger, the shoot hole in ur ass, or kill someone while putting pistol in shoulder holster pointed ta rear,, No matter what u do you use your brain!! Ill take safety any day … glocks shoot more people by mistake than all other combined,, Some retards walk aroung pretendiny there armchair comandos ???? look at surveys…. all the 20 yearolds running around with 200 rnds of ammo, ready for big gunfight,,,
    Wake the fuck up heros!!!Glock needs a good safety, that trigger thing is stuppid, u retard, go buy 100 round clips and blow your balls off,,, glocks ar not that good,,i own a few, and 10 1911s,, keep your 9mm s cowboys!!!glock are the most unsafe pistol on earth,, make sure ya all do ur 25 cent trigger jobs,,, what a joke,,,keep givin the safe people a bad rap,, Glocks need safetys!!!!!hope you find 100 rnd clips,, retards

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  21. If I remember correctly, Massad Ayoob has opined on CCW badges and doesn’t feel they are a good idea. His background as an LEO (one of the good ones), a teacher, and an expert witness on things gun related lends his opinion a fair amount of weight.
    Since these things can be picked up an ebay, amazon,etc., they aren’t proof of anything. I just watched a court case where a tow truck operator shot and killed a guy who was retrieving his car which had been towed illegally. The tow truck operator, who was a convicted felon, was wearing a CCW badge and the prosecutor had a field day with it–cop wannabe, impersonating a cop, and on and on. The dood ended up convicted of murder. A cop commentator covering the case, who happened to be pro 2a, expressed disdain for CCW badges, saying they create more confusion than they eliminate.
    Sounds like they’d get you into more shit than they’d get you out of. Not to mention everyone would laught at you.

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  22. Nope. We are always on the defense and never play any offense. The gun rights groups file suits when there is a denial of some sort. What about all the old garbage laws that are on the books? I know defense wins championships but those same teams also play offense.

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