https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxjuz2o9Gk#t=43
“We’re sworn to uphold the law,” Connecticut State Police Spokesman Lt. Paul Vance tells GMN Producer “Guerilla Girl Ashley.” In other words, if it comes down to it, the Constitution State po-po will go door-to-door to confiscate firearms and magazines now rendered felonious by CT’s post-Newtown civilian disarmament legislation. When Ashley asks if Lt. Vance’s oath applies to the laws that are unconstitutional, Lt. Vance argues that a law is constitutional if the Supreme Court says it is. And then says “We’re not the Gestapo.” Funny that the police officer – not the caller – evokes Godwin’s Law. Only it’s not funny. At all. Speaking of that phrase, Lt. Vance says “I don’t want to talk about the Constitution m’am. At all. Not at all.” And ends with “I’m the master.” As the Brits say, there will be tears at bedtime. [h/t Chris in CT]
They will stick a gun in your face to take that magazine… what are you going to do about it, Serf?
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He argued, “I think it’s reasonable for them to check the firearm and the magazine. They didn’t seek the number of rounds in it. They did it for officer safety.”
Really? Bullets in a magazine not inserted in a gun, and the gun is in the officers hand under his direct control constitutes an unsafe situation for the officer in question? This is perfect fodder for the anti-LEO folks. I’m all for officers being safe, but this argument is retarded in every respect. That or the officer in question is in some way not safe and shouldn’t be allowed near a gun OR bullets. “Officer safety” has become so overused and abused that’s it’s lost virtually all meaning.
If the magazine has been removed from the weapon, the only possible place to look further in the name of “safety” is the chamber of the weapon, to make sure there’s not one up the spout. Looking at the magazine “for safety purposes” is disingenuous.
She tried to bait the officer. She made all gun owners look bad. She started off with the “Master” comments and I would of reacted the same way when someone called me a “servant” with the emphasis on being a “slave.” She should talk to the politicians not the police.
The police swear an oath to the United States Constitution – not to the politicians’ or Supreme Court’s interpretation of the United States Constitution.
Ummm…the Supreme Court gets to decide what’s “Constitutional”. That’s kind of their job.
Actually, nowhere in the Constitution does it restrict the power to deem something unconstitutional to the SCotUS.
Please point out section of the Constitution that authorizes “judicial review.”
FAIL
If not the supreme court, then who? You?
Hey, let me know how the civil war worked out.
But who is to say what is constitutional when the courts are refusing to take 2A cases.
True as far a it goes, but they are not the only ones. There’s a reson why pretty much every oath of office in the US includes some sort of fealty to the Constitution. When a young lawyer is admitted to the bar, he swears to uphold the Constitution – because as an officer of the court, he’s expected to conduct himself in accordance with that supreme law of the land.
A President isn’t supposed to sign legislation he thinks is unconstitutional. A legislator isn’t suppposed to pass unconstittioal law. The USSC serves as check, to stop the unconsititutional actions of other public servants, but they are not the only ones charged with defending the Constitution.
Only in the eyes of those who have never actually read the Constitution. It is always disheartening to hear people making such indefensible comments that could so easily be avoided by simply knowing the rules the government is expected to follow.
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”…..10th amendment.
The Supreme Court did in fact arrogate to itself the function of judicial review of legislation for constitutionality without specific Constitutional authority. (Marbury v Madison, right?) It happened early on and has never been really challenged. It’s too far ingrained in the national structure to stop now.
It is ’emphatically’ the Supreme Court’s job to say what the law is. The situation was handled well by Marshall, C.J. I’m not interested in changing that. What does gall me, of course, is the fact that the Circuit Courts’ often unusual interpretations take so long to get up to the Supremes.
It’s either SCOTUS or the legislature, and I’m not eager to have the Senate supervising the courts and, through them, the police.
Shawn; I’m in complete agreement; the nerve of this serf to tell the “master” that he is actually a public servant! The serf provoked the masters just and righteous wrath.
Bow down, serfs, to the “master”.
Stepping outside of just a small case of irony; the classic statist gestapo response of a public servant that believes he IS the master; or at least the minion of the true master; you know; masterhood through association.
This is why the Founding Father spoke against having a “professional” police/military force; it breeds this type arrogance and contempt that this Lt. Vance shows in his response to his employers; you know; us.
I went ahead and called the Conneticutt State police 1-860-685-8190, to talk to Lt. Vance; I asked to speak to Lt. Vance and see if he still believed was the “master” or if he actually was a public servant. I left a message with the front desk telling the lady at the desk that this was the question I wanted to ask him. I was polite to her.
I feel like this is going to end very very badly… I don’t want it to, but I really think it is. Either there’s bloodshed and gun owners are demonized. Bloodshed and cops are demonized. Compliance and follow through with the loss of liberty. Non-compliance and civil disobedience tests where the line drawn in the sand. I pray for all involved and hope that the excrement doesn’t hit the fan.
I agree. Unless something is reversed, and quickly, things have the potential to go very badly very quickly. Stay tuned…
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Another Waco in the making.
Frack. It starts in Connecticut then. I suppose it had to start somewhere.
Living in IL doesn’t seem as bad as it used to, seeing these other states go full retard. Sure, the FOID is kind of a pain, but other than that, I think we got it pretty good.
I’d love to see this idiot be the first to attempt a violation of 4th amendment rights on a homeowner who chooses to not comply
Lt. Vance will not be the lead through the door.
He will be sitting in his office cowering be cause he knows that if there is rebellion he will be adjudged.
Unfortunately for this clown, it won’t be so easy for him to escape to Russia as it was for his soul-brother Yanukovitch when the people get fed up and come looking for him.
I forsee a heck of a lot of 4th amendment violations happening in Connecticut.
Ugly, ugly and uglier. Seems that the first shot will be fired in Connecticut. Let’s see.. probably around Winchester? This is a sad state of affairs.
The “I’m just doing my job…” argument is total BS, always has been and forever will be.
Much like “it’s just business.” No, it’s not just business and it’s not just a job, these are people’s families and lives we are talking about here.
On your death bed, during your last moments, are you going to be wishing you had done “your job better”, or “did more business”.
Or will you be wishing you had done the right thing more and been more of a righteous person?
yes.
I’m sure the guys unloading the cattle cars at Auschwitz were “only doing their jobs”. Didn’t save them from a short drop and a sudden stop.
Yea im sure we will here some Befehl ist Befehl from CT cops at some point.
Totally Agree..
If Im hired to bitch slap gun owners who pose for Finger-on-trigger photos .. Im I excused from criticism and backlash because I am just doing my job?? .. Is it really my fault? or should you go after the guys signing my check?
Add to the list “I vas just following orders.” and you’ve pretty much covered it.
Just following orders is no defense.
We need to get these laws challenged and ruled on by SCOTUS.
Who wins here? And what’s the point? Lt. Vance is an obviously intelligent and capable law enforcement officer, trying earnestly to answer this woman’s questions, and then gets baited into a debate that he knows is not legitament. This woman sounds to me, very much like an ‘anti’ that is taking a ‘pro’ point to the debate to strengthen her side and create more fear and disgust with the whole gun / magazine issue. If this were a ‘real’ situation instead of something staged, she should take the officer’s advice and talk to an attorney, and spend her time petitioning her legislators.
Why is this debate not legitimate?
Keep that glock in your pocket or they just might take your gun to. Be ashamed you stand on the wrong side of this fight.
So, using his logic, if the state passes a law that requires jaywalkers to be executed without trial and neither the state or U.S. supreme courts overturn that law, he’s going to start hanging people from lamp posts until the law is overturned.
This is what happens when a society stops teaching that some things are absolutely wrong. Thank God we have some sheriffs in this country who are not “just following orders” types.
Robert, I think you’re gonna have to loosen up on the moderation or something. You’re throwing the baby out with the water.
More thoughts on this if I can get that video to work.
Tom
100
Agreed and in order to soften our 2A beliefs is no reason to censor our 1A.
Didn’t listen to the whole thing, but in the first couple minutes I have to agree that the caller is trying to bait the officer. Maybe he takes the bait later, but he doesn’t at first. In fact, I say that his comment “we haven’t crossed that bridge yet” is an eminently reasonable one. He does not in any way come off as a knuckledragger just waiting for his chance to beat on a citizen.
I also agree people like “Ashley” make us all look bad. We can stand for principle and for our rights without being douchebags and acting like everyone who wears a badge is some kind of Stasi-in-waiting.
JUST TRY AND LEGISLATE INHERENT RIGHTS YOU’LL GET WHAT YOU FASCISTS DESERVE!!!!!!
Caps locks for kewl.
I’ll believe it when I see it. The state LITERALLY has nothing physical to gain here and everything to lose. Peace of mind maybe?
I can’t help but get the feeling CT is one big gun control experiment…
Ooh what a great point. Connecticut is traditionally a Democratic state with high taxes that people accept and several draconian laws already. If they can control it then states like New York, Massachusetts and New Jersey will follow. Once they get a lot of the money and the population under control moving forward to some of the lesser populated states will be easier. Damn, that’s a scary thought!
That is an excellent point….
And scary.
I disagree. The very legitimacy of their governmental system is at stake here. People will finally realize “what is the point of having government pass laws if we can just ignore them?”
The real question is what’s the sense of having a Bill of Rights if politicians (and their appointed judicial henchmen) can just ignore it?
Now it’s a matter of “who gets to ignore what”
Nobody gets to ignore the Constitution. The founders foresaw situations like this. There are volumes of pithy and relevant quotes to be found. The Constitution isn’t rocket science. It’s only when people redefine the plain meaning of its words and pervert it’s spirit and intent that we end up in situations like we have in Connecticut and New York.
This state, or any state, is concerned with only one thing and that is power. They have been defied by citizens not turning in their weapons and now they are going to go to the wall to show who has the power. There is only one outcome from this.
Their talk is cheap. They ARE politicians after all.
I don’t think (can’t really research at work) that they have the money to piss away on these door to door confiscations. It’s just not worth it, even as a power grab
“We’re sworn to uphold the law”…ok, but what if that law is unjust? Men throughout history have rebelled against unjust laws, even men who were sworn to uphold said laws. Cowardice in the face of adversity is not a reason to stand by and follow orders instead of doing what is right. If some of the people in the original thirteen colonies had not stood up against unjust laws, stood up for the rights and the freedoms of everyone, including and especially those too scared to act for themselves, we would not have created the greatest country and society in world history.
Throughout history more men have upheld and enforced unjust laws than resisted them.
As a long time resident of CT, Connecticut State Police Spokesman Lt. Paul Vance has done as he has always states “following the law” — good or bad, even if he does not agree — he will follow the law.
He may be an oath breaker as some will say, but he has been consistent over the years.
This includes, following the previous law as well as the new law. The State PD has been more gun friendly than many local PD because in many towns especially in northern more rural areas, they are the only police and sometimes that means one state trooper and often part-time and easily 30min response times.
This is not in the defense of state PD, Connecticut State Police Spokesman Lt. Paul Vance is a big boy and you can judge for yourself.
The state PD has always tried to be apolitical — we can never expect them to take a side no matter how stupid the law is. They will stand behind the law and will always say “they were just following the law, or just following orders” — I do not care what you think they should do, they have always done so.
The problem as always is, good cops and bad cops have one thing in common — the color or the law behind their actions. The good cop may allow you to slide seeing a grey area, a bad cop may use the law like a hammer and shoot first and let a judge decide who was right because after all, they have immunity. What comes into question is integrity. You can question this by looking at past cases — however, the CT State PD has had some pretty good integrity in certain cases — they are not 100% but maybe better than some others.
Will this end in bloodshed, who knows — there are plenty here who like to stir the pot — more agitators than patriots. Until someone fires the first shot, who knows. Blood in an election year is always a bad thing for politicians.
We all know including the State PD that database are not exactly accurate. There could be a scenario where they kick down the door and kill a few dogs and a few children only to find that person no longer has his guns because he sold them or they have the wrong address. This is a real possibility, information is never perfect. Maybe this is what needs to happen to finally wake everyone to the fact that these laws are stupid — the war on drugs has already shown us how dumb those laws can be.
What I only hope is that stuff like this keeps people pissed off enough to vote in the primaries, vote in the general election, become politically active in more than just these forums and to donate to gun rights organizations all over the USA. There is no 22lr to buy, might as well spend it to support local gun rights groups and pro-gun politicians. While venting in these forums will may you feel good, the real work is what you do outside forums such as these.
Ready to rock and roll CT?
CT is lost already.. … we have 49 more chances…
47. California and Maryland are out too.
Add New Jersey and New York
thats new jersey for you
This guy is no better than the medieval folk who believed disease was caused by demonic possession.
The mass of men serve the state thus, not as men mainly, but as machines, with their bodies. They are the standing army, and the militia, jailers, constables, posse comitatus,(7) etc. In most cases there is no free exercise whatever of the judgment or of the moral sense; but they put themselves on a level with wood and earth and stones; and wooden men can perhaps be manufactured that will serve the purpose as well. Such command no more respect than men of straw or a lump of dirt. They have the same sort of worth only as horses and dogs.
– Henry David Thoreau, Civil Disobedience
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This is not going to end well.
You’d think they’d learn from recent history. What happened when the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started? People from all over the world poured in to join the fight. Think what’s going to happen in Conn. if the Stasi start killing people over their guns? 4GW baby – that’s where this is going. The end remains to be seen. BTW we get to play this movie all over again in New York come 4/15 only there’s 3 times as many gun owners here.
This topic always makes me laugh. The entire argument against modifying your trigger is based solely on theoretical situations, with no case law whatsoever. What’s worse: a good aftermarket trigger that helps you shoot the bad guy center mass, or a 10 lb trigger that helps you miss the bad guy and kill an innocent person? I’m sure the jury will not mind the innocent person being murdered since you were responsibly using a 10 lb trigger. How about we all just follow the fundamental laws of firearms, mixed with some good training, and we will all be fine.
I think the sabre rattling is usefull. The grabbers always say you can’t stand up to the goon squad & they are right. As a poster on another thread recently said, soft targets will be hit. The 3 percenter in the link sounds like an intelligent determined man(thank you). I don’t pray, I sure have my fingers crossed though for peace. To the people calling for the blood of gun owners, I call you legitimate targets, think about it.
I think that this is the time for CT to import some Ukrainian patriots. They may prove helpful soon. Maybe the locals could learn a thing or two from them before Berkut…uuh, Lt. Vance and his friends come for them.
I know I have posted this before, but I believe it is appropriate here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZSS3yxpnFU
these ‘children ‘ sound like the type MAIG honors as gun violence ‘victims’
Yup.
Any word on the caliber?
I recall a news article reporting the assailant used a 30 caliber magazine clip and emptied it in half a second.
I just don’t get it. When you can build an awesome AR-15 for around $600 to $800, how can you justify $2,200 for just a bit beefier weapon. Is a piston system worth $1,000? It sounds like my 15 has a much nicer trigger as well. More companies need to get into the AR-10 platform, there obviously is not enough competition, and for us builders there should be a robust after market parts business like there is for the 15.
Surprisingly, the local police are investigating this attack as a possible hate crime. I say surprisingly because the victim is white and the attackers are allegedly black.
This is going to get ugly. Even in a limited spectrum, but ugly none the less. Blood will be shed.
This is the first time in history where someone not only shot the messenger, but also The Message.
Nicely played sir
Lt. Vance argues that a law is constitutional if the Supreme Court says it is. And then says “We’re not the Gestapo.” Speaking of that phrase, Lt. Vance says “I don’t want to talk about the Constitution m’am. At all. Not at all.”
“We’re not the Gestapo.”
However, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck and acts like a duck, the odds are pretty good that it really IS a duck.
“We’re not the Gestapo.”
True. The Gestapo had a much more developed sense of style…..
Here your duck is the Gestapo, right? So I think more important than how they walk would be how they execute millions of jews. Or did you miss that part of the gestapo?
WE’LL HOLD COURT IN THE STREET. HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW.
Well, I managed to get the entire video to work. Very saddening, but not surprising either. Maybe Ashley baited Vance, but that’s just arguing semantics and nothing more. The fact is pretty clear that Vance, being in an awkward position and knowing it full well, reverted to type when she tried to pin him down on it. And that type was an enemy of the Constitution and an agent of the state. Now that may be well and fine for the time being but if things really do break down up there he would be wise to leave the country, because his masters in Hartford won’t really have any more sympathy with him than he would with his subjects….just as it was in WW2.
I have heard reports that the infamous confiscation letter may have been a fabrication or entirely apocryphal, but even if true, that doesn’t discount the enormity of the crime that the Legislature and the Governor committed against their own constituents. And perhaps…..that is the real problem at hand.
Tom
i never was interested in buying an AR till NY passed the SAFE act, now i have 3. had they never passed the act, i would have never bought one haha
Grabbed the gun AND the knife from the yoots? Somebody buy that man a hammock to put his giant balls in!
Reinforced to handle the weight of all that brass.
Kustra used to live about a mile from me. He was a Northwestern political science professor who we elected Republican state senator. He served as Illinois Lieutenant Governor 1991-1999. He was so bored with this do-nothing job that he had to be talked out of resigning to become a talk-show host. He lost a Republican primary to run for U.S. Senator. After his term expired, he went on to be president of Western Kentucky University and then to Boise State. His job is secure, since to football team is winning (and that’s all anyone cares about college administrators).
Bring it…
Enjoy it boys, Harris will be the next nominee to SCOTUS.
This interview does not mean as much as some people seem to think. What was Vance supposed to say to a strange voice on the phone?? Was he supposed to say that he wasn’t going to obey illegal orders? That was not going to happen. Does anyone expect him to start barring his soul and talk about morals and revolution and his internal conflicts (if any) and risk his job and pension with a stranger on the phone? That was never going to happen. This phone call was a setup and releasing it is just rabble rousing.
Vance was very professional and he tried to walk the line until of course he got pissed off and said that he was the master. I did not think that was reflective of how he necessarily views the police to citizen relationship. I took it more as, “Lady, when the officers are on the scene you will do whatever they say. I don’t care if you like the law or not. Take it up with the courts.”
Vance may be a pothead revolutionary, he may be a stone cold baby and dog killer, there is no way to know.
One thing we know is that he has been getting lots of these calls as he mentions this was his third call on the subject today.
Another thing we know is that the politicians of CT, for assorted poor reasons, have given the people and the LEOs of CT a turd sandwich to share. The response to this turd sandwich remains to be seen. But, whether they are citizens or LEOs, people don’t generally appreciate a turd sandwich.
All well and good but it isn’t like Vance should have been blindsided by any of this. You can’t convince me there’s no way he could have anticipated these types of calls. Given the time frame of this legislation if off the cuff responses is the best he can come up with what the hell is he going to do if his political “master” says go get their guns?
I did not have the sense that he was unprepared. I thought he gave the only answer he could give. What else could he have said? His only mistake was getting angry and saying that he was the master but for now, I attribute that crack to him being fed up with the phone call.
I just hope people of CT remember who gave them this turd sandwich come November and vote the bums out and repeal the law, but the chances of that do seem slim, however there is light at the end of the tunnel because of all the women that are supposedly getting into the shooting sports. This could be a revival of the mainstream acceptance of the shooting sports. I am holding on to this hope cause I really do not want to think about scenarios with 4 am house to house raids, screaming children, dead dogs and people, dead LEOs.
The situation is ripe for behind the scenes agitators to make the situation go to revolution for their own unrelated reasons. We can’t let that happen.
“The situation is ripe for behind the scenes agitators to make the situation go to revolution for their own unrelated reasons. We can’t let that happen.”
This should be at the forefront of everyone’s thought process. As much as I would love to see a fast wake up spread like wildfire through the nation, it needs to be a peaceful one first and foremost. Violence usually gets the opposite effect than intended when used offensively at the onset. Violence is only justifiable in defense.
Anyone else finding the irony in CT being called the “Constitution State”?
I make it a point to carry the highest capacity magazine I can with my EDC, my Walther PPQ M2, 17+1 is nice to have at the ready
Is the bolt carrier of the M-16 profile or one of the lighter commercial variants? I couldn’t tell for sure from the top-view photo posted.
Regarding the buffer choice, I like Spike’s T2 buffer which is 4 oz (about midway between H and H2 buffers) with my mid-length gas AR.
Keeping brain bleach handy in case anyone does give us the “Full Foghorn”.
Every freedomfighter must have the m79 to defend his freedom and to use it to liberate the usa from hussain obamas gestapo and dictatorship.Comrads in arms buy one or built one and use it to liberate your country. I love the m79 a real freedomfigter tool.Get some c4 too for the big bang.Deal the fist deadly BLOW.comrade,freedomfighter,zsolt sass
Personally I think its time for one of the gun orgs in CT to take the fight to the Govt. The political party line is wavering in CT and it’s time to press the advantage.
A Kokesh style rally of 10K or more, with “banned” rifles slung in peaceful demonstration. Here we are, come and take them.
The state police can then decide what side of the line in the sand they want to stand on. Either stand with the patriots defending the constitution, or stand on the side of tyrants trying to usurp it.
Let each officer decide if they will go home, and tell their spouses and children, today I chose to be a traitor, today I turned my back on my oath, and my country. Tomorrow I may die at the hand of a patriot, and I want you to know I died a traitor.
I hope he saves the Bible complete w/ bullets. It makes the ultimate Green Day souvenir.
Instead of a bible, atheists may choose to carry a copy of “Stranger in a Strange Land.”
I think “Atlas Shrugged” would be more appropriate. The paperback version is what, like 3,000 pages?
The AR on a pebble rock beach, the AR under a shimmering waterfall, and the AR glistening with water droplets all over it…
Is this a gun review or Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition photo shoot?
If we need more street cred, you’re welcome to join us with your camera phone!
Ah, I’m just giving you a hard time. We don’t have the art staff of Recoil Magazine, but Joe is a good photographer and we’re always trying to improve our game around here.
I have a banana hammock and bottle of sun tan oil. Your move.
Proof positive that Hoboken isn’t the only thing in New Jersey that stinks.
“I was just following orders”. Remember the Nuremberg Trials? Glad I don’t live in Connecticut. Illinois still sucks.
I think they hate everyone equally. Well, everyone who isn’t a member or pandering to their “worldview”.
I’d be careful about recoding the cops. Connecticut is a two party consent state, which means, for the purpose of keeping this short, that both parties of a telephone conversation must consent to it being recorded.
Conn. Gen. Stat. Ann. § 52-570d(b)
is preceded by consent of all parties to the communication and such prior consent either is obtained in writing or is part of, and obtained at the start of, the recording, or (2) is preceded by verbal notification which is recorded at the beginning and is part of the communication by the recording party, or (3) is accompanied by an automatic tone warning device which automatically produces a distinct signal that is repeated at intervals of approximately fifteen seconds during the communication while such instrument, device or equipment is in use.
I wish the person good luck on this one. I doubt Lt. Paul Vance is going to simply “overlook” this transgression. If I was TTAG, I’d confer with counsel about the possible legal consequences of having it posted up.
I used a DTI kit to build on a stripped lower about 4 years ago. I am not sure how many rounds I have put in it over that time, probably in the ballpark of 2000 with most of it being steel cased, but it has never malfunctioned on me. Accuracy is about on par with what you experienced. About 1 MOA with good ammo , 1.5 with cheaper brass stuff like M193, and 2-2.5 with steel cased.
FOLLOW THE MONEY.
what is so difficult with the phrase
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed? ? ?
Demand your rights sheeple
Sheeple don’t demand anything; they accept what is allotted to them and cry when they don’t receive their entitlement. Otherwise they are unmotivated to do more than complain when government action costs them, at which time the state throws them a bone if necessary to secure a Democratic vote for more statism.
Having a face masked is a crime in Canada?
No, it is the other way around, MDA is a Misandry hategroup (the hatred, dislike, contempt for or ingrained prejudice against men and/or boys). Many of their earlier pieces displayed very anti-male views. They probably view women as being above men and have no need to lower themselves with owning weapons. To them, owning a weapon is something only crude male pigs would own. The irony is many Misandry groups use sterotypes on both genders, and can be confused with Misogynist.
Pennsylvania didn’t seem to be phased by NJ’s limit of 15. Do you think they’ll acknowledge 10? I’ll bet I could go there now and get a beta-mag NQA. Hope no mass murderers find out! Be sure to tell them to turn on the strobe over their head so the police know to go after them too.
The Cops lied, traffic stop followed by a crude attempt to achieve a SAFE Act conviction. Their story is garbage, wouldn’t convince my dog.
Here’s a better question? So we seriously need to ask rhetorical questions about MDA on a daily basis?
I know TTAG wants that special kind of love you can only have with an archenemy, but they get more coverage here than on their own damn facebook page.
Misguided and clueless. Show them the video of the Michigan MOM defending her children with a semi-automatic 9mm carbine against three thugs breaking down her door.One thug picked up a gun and was returning for a murderous ‘payback’ when she again drove him off with HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE gunfire.This in of itself is an argument for high capacity magazines.
They are to uphold the Constitution….many crimes have been commited because people were just “following orders”… What if it becomes illegal to practice certain religions? To speak freely? For freedom of press? What if the new laws passed trample on other rights? Will the police blindly follow orders or protect the Constitution to which they swore an oath.
I hope these CT gun owners are ready to make their stand…near 250 years ago our ancestors stood at a bridge when the “police” came…will the Constitution State folk have the same courage?
Aw, this was an extremely good post. Taking a few minutes and actual effort to make a top notch article… but what can I say… I procrastinate
a whole lot and don’t manage to get nearly anything done.
“War Department”.
#goodnostalgia.
Yeah, it’s a great state.
Just don’t jaywalk.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/21/austin-police-drag-jogger-to-car-screaming-after-jaywalking-without-id/
Or open carry.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/02/bogus-arrest-of-open-carry-activist-in.html
Or stage a gun show.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-govt-politics/travis-county-commissioners-to-vote-on-saxet-gun-s/ndCYt/
And what’s up with those enormous hats? Y’all look like extras from a Lash Larue movie, but your’re driving Mercedes automobiles instead of cattle.
Jealousy is a stinky cologne, Ralph…
BONUS POINTS TO THOSE WHO CAN NAME THE MOVIE THIS QUOTE IS FROM.
sheerookarikamahn…..
A minor nit to pick. Singer 1911s were not issued to Air Force personnel because there was no such thing as the Air Force — it was the Army Air Corps until 1942 and the Army Air Forces until 1947.
That said, fascinating article.
You don’t really think that she is more attractive than Florida’s own Pam Bondi, do you?
Wait?! This is great, and here is why:
The 2nd amendment has been more or less ignored or sidestepped for centuries now, think NFA: couldn’t make it illegal, so they taxed it.
All of a sudden they start asking to take away all the guns, chastising the shooting public and what happens:
1) Illinois gets concealed carry
2) California get a CC decision
3) States are passing pro-CC legislation
4) Multiple “F the federal gov’t” laws for 2nd amendment have been passed/proposed in Kansas, Texas, Idaho, Georgia, ect, ect (eg, silencers in-state, no confiscation by FEMA)
5) AR-15 sales *doubled* last year
6) Anti-states have passed obviously unconstitutional laws creating felons out of regular moms and dads, which is destined to completely back fire
7) Judge in NY says counting rounds is a violation of 4th amendment (support that judge for sure)
8) Slide fire is approved by ATF, as is that SIG wrist brace “joke”
9) Shooting ranges are packed with people who first shot a gun in the last 2-4 years
10) NFA registration wait time doubles after hiring more staff
They didn’t follow the “boiling frog” rules, they threw us directly in the water instead of letting it heat up slowly. Backed by lies, they are destined for failure.
Imagine if this goes to the supreme court and CC is legal in all 50 states, plus dependencies like Puerto Rico and Iraq (wait what….oo, never mind). Additionally the idea of reciprocity must be acknowledged too; If I have a Texas CHL, I should be able to carry in California, no arguments (or allow non-resident registration). *United* States of America. States can make their own laws as long as they don’t contradict the Constitution and the BIll of rights.
…… Kind of long winded, I know
Why yes, I WOULD prostitute myself on the internet for a free gun!
Here’s the reason between the difference in the murder rate:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/02/25/note-to-piers-morgan-guns-are-strange-bu
Guess what? Guns are not the issue.
Day 3: I’ve been standing here for hours, and they still don’t suspect me. If they don’t leave soon, I may have to put these leaves to other uses…
Had one traded in for a Ruger sr22 no regret never looked back
Texas: May she remain forever red.
In a way this reminds me of the fall of the Berlin wall in 1989.
The original ” Bushmaster “
I don’t think anyone has posted a link to this yet, so for your reading pleasure, lots more conversation and erudite (?) legal opinion. Start at about post #54 or so.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=13524985#post13524985
Peek-a-boo, I see you.
Cammo my ass. Told ya that’s what happens when you don’t issue razors.
I will be celebrating with Balcones Texas Single Malt whisky. Texas is fast becoming a powerhouse in the whisky business.
This report is not exactly correct. VCSO is not entirely “shall-issue.” However, their policy is generally in conformance with state law (and, in fact, is one of the closest procedurally to the statutes).
Classy tattoo.
I’m a firm believer in go big or go home
And yet, .40 S&W……
Since I live in IA I immediately sent an email to my reps. That lady in particular is full of it because every single rep has been getting a ton of emails regarding this issue. Yet she claims she never heard from anyone about the bill or about people wanting suppressors legalized. She is definitely a politician. The AR15.com forums are full people trying to get this ridiculous idea of a “silent” gun out of peoples heads. The Iowa Firearms Coalition has also been getting the word out as much as possible.
As I said in one of my posts there…. if you are relying on gunshots to be your early warning indicator, there is something wrong with your system. It’s like saying if a guy went walking around with a knife stabbing people in a theater no one would ever notice or call the cops because its silent. Red Herring all the way.
Forget emailing this particular rep.
It’s her constituents who need an education. I haven’t looked up her district, so let me just take a stab at it-Des Moines? Or another city?
Iowa City…
“…delaying by crucial seconds or minutes the moments when someone can call the police after overhearing strange bangs coming from a theater or classroom.”
Yes, after the hypothetical delay, cops are only minutes away. Because the reaction time to press “9, 1, 1, call button” is of utmost importance.
This is not his first gun-control rodeo. Guns are a popular topic for him. Here is his take on the Trayvon matter:
http://thebluereview.org/a-george-zimmerman-sans-gun/
Not only is he not as funny as he thinks he is, but the comparisons he makes and the conclusions he draws show that he is not a particularly deep thinker.
If you don’t want to take the time to read his blog post, the Cliff’s Note version is that neither George or Trayvon would have killed anyone that night if there was no gun present, because neither of them would have beaten the other to death. And the professor was chasing two guys down a street one time and he might have shot them if he had access to a gun.
I support the Second Amendment, but…this gentleman should not have a gun.
Problem with H-Jeb’s point of view – most people who are handling a gun or who make the decision to buy their first gun are acutely aware of the possibility for things to go wrong. You’re also very aware of this the first time you carry. I’ve known people who chose to carry empty for the first couple weeks. I know people who still carry with loaded magazine and an empty chamber because they want just that little extra protection from some kind of accident.
So it’s been my experience that their fears of a new person buying a gun and confidently striding into the world with no appreciation of the responsibilities isn’t grounded in reality.
Next, the rifle version named Garrison-san.
(South Park)
Hmm, that’s funny. I carry at church and neither a Supreme Being nor Court has ever struck me down.
Everyone who is a student of the gun simply must experience the thrill of shooting a big old wheel gun. It’s just fun and is sure to put a smile on your face, unless of course you didn’t grip it right, and then in that case, it will put a cast on your wrist after you break it.
Seriously….it is awesome.
“When may I shoot a student?” When that student attacks you or others. Next stupid question, please
In PA there is the Nightwatchman’s Act. Private security can be sworn in and have the ability to enforce Title 18 Crimes Code. A few private developments and resorts I live near do this to give their private security more ‘teeth’. They, like municipal police have done some dumb stuff over the years but meh, no biggy.
If you make the statement on the post shooting 911 call it will be recorded exactly as you said it. I Agree 100% …consult an experienced criminal defense attorney in your jurisdiction in advance and ask for his advice on what how and when to say the rest. Way too much well meant but wrong advice given online.
Hey Vance. Despite being a federal agent, I would disobey and resign my post if i were directed to enforce a law i know to be unconstitutional.
What the hell is the matter with you? Do you believe you are a supreme authority? YOU are making the rest of us look bad. You are an embarrasment to the badge and the oath you swore to uphold.
My word of caution. We all serve the public and that public is much larger in terms of numbers. Now, do the math. If the public were to ever turn on us we will be the ones on the losing side. You need to apologize (as though you ever have) and resign.