Cop Accused in George Floyd’s Death Involved in Two Shootings, 17 Complaints During His Career

Minneapolis Police Death

Splattered paint and chalk writing are on the driveway of the home of fired Minneapolis police Officer Derek Chauvin (Jeff Wheeler/Star Tribune via AP)

By Todd Richmond, AP

A white Minneapolis police officer accused of killing a black suspect by kneeling on his neck opened fire on two people during his 19-year career and had nearly 20 complaints and two letters of reprimand filed against him.

Derek Chauvin, 44, became the focus of angry street protests and a federal investigation after he was seen in cellphone video kneeling on the neck of 46-year-old George Floyd for almost eight minutes Monday night during his arrest on a suspicion of passing a counterfeit bill. Floyd, who was heard saying he couldn’t breathe, was pronounced dead later that night.

Chauvin, whose driveway was splattered with red paint and the graffiti “murderer,” has not spoken publicly since Floyd’s death and his attorney did not respond to calls seeking comment. He and the other three officers involved in Floyd’s arrest were fired Tuesday.

Minneapolis City Council records show that Chauvin moonlighted as a bouncer at a downtown Latin nightclub. He was among a group of six officers who opened fire on a stabbing suspect in 2006 after a chase that ended when the suspect pointed a sawed-off shotgun at them. The suspect, Wayne Reyes, was hit multiple times and died. A grand jury decided the use of force was justified.

Two years later, Chauvin shot Ira Latrell Toles as he was responding to a domestic dispute.

According to a Pioneer Press account of the incident, a 911 operator received a call from an apartment and heard a woman yelling for someone to stop hitting her. Chauvin and another officer arrived just as Toles locked himself in the bathroom. Chauvin forced his way into the bathroom. Toles went for Chauvin’s gun and Chauvin shot him twice in the stomach. Toles survived and was charged with two counts of felony obstruction.

Toles told the Daily Beast that the mother of his child called police that night and he fled into the bathroom after officers broke down the apartment door. Chauvin then broke down the bathroom door and started to hit him without warning. He said he fought back in self-defense and was too disoriented to go for Chauvin’s gun.

Toles said he ultimately pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge and still feels pain from the shooting.

“He tried to kill me in that bathroom,” Toles said.

Online city records also show that 17 complaints have been filed against Chauvin. Sixteen complaints were closed with no discipline. The remaining complaint generated two letters of reprimand, with one apparently related to the use of a squad car dashboard camera. The records don’t include any details on the substance of the complaints.

Chauvin also was among a group of five officers in 2011 who chased down an American Indian, Leroy Martinez, in a housing complex after they spotted him running with a pistol. One of the officers, Terry Nutter, shot Martinez in the torso. Martinez survived. All the officers were placed on leave but absolved of any wrongdoing, with Police Chief Timothy Dolan saying they acted “appropriately and courageously.”

A much different side of Chauvin was portrayed in a 2018 newspaper profile of his wife, Kellie, a Laotian refugee who was seeking to become the first Hmong Mrs. Minnesota. She told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that they met when he dropped off a suspect at a Minneapolis hospital where she worked.

“Under that uniform, he’s just a softie,” she said. “He’s such a gentleman. He still opens the door for me, still puts my coat on for me. After my divorce, I had a list of must-haves if I were ever to be in a relationship, and he fit all of them.”

Less is known about the other three officers involved in Floyd’s arrest.

Online court records indicate that the officer who stood guard at the scene, Tou Thao, was sued in federal court in 2017 for alleged excessive force. According to the lawsuit, Lamar Ferguson claimed Thao and his partner stopped him as he was walking to his girlfriend’s house in 2014 for no reason and beat him up. The city ultimately settled the lawsuit for $25,000.

City records show six complaints have been filed against Thao. Five were closed with no discipline. One remains open. The records didn’t include any further details.

Thomas Lane joined the force as a cadet in March 2019, according to online city records. No information about J. Alexander Kueng’s service history was immediately available. City records show no complaints against either of them. Attorneys for Thao and Kueng didn’t return messages. Lane’s attorney, Earl Gray, declined comment.

comments

  1. avatar Cloudbuster says:

    George Floyd’s “Gentle Giant” narrative is as fake as usual:

    George Floyd’s history.

    “ Floyd pleaded guilty to the robbery where another suspect posed as a worker for the local water department, wearing a blue uniform in an attempt to gain access to the woman’s home, according to the charging document.

    But when the woman opened the door, she realized he was not with the water department and attempted to close the door, leading to a struggle.

    At that time, a Ford Explorer pulled up to the home and five other males exited the car and went up to the front door.

    The report states the largest of the group, who the victim later identified as Floyd, ‘forced his way inside the residence, placed a pistol against the complainant’s abdomen, and forced her into the living room area of the residence.

    ‘This large suspect then proceeded to search the residence while another armed suspect guarded the complainant, who was struck in the head and sides by this second armed suspect with his pistol while she screamed for help.’

    Not finding any drugs or money at the house, the men took jewelry and the woman’s cell phone and fled in their car. A neighbor who witnessed the robbery took down the car’s license plate number.

    Later, police tracked down the car and found Floyd behind the wheel. He was later identified by the woman as the large suspect who placed a gun against her stomach and forced her into her living room, the document states.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8366533/George-Floyd-moved-Minneapolis-start-new-life-released-prison-Texas.html

    1. avatar ChoseDeath says:

      That is very interesting, and thank you for sharing. I never believe the DinDu stories about concerned parties in these stories…

      But none of that changes the fact that the man was murdered by the police.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        Exactly. I could dig up dirt all day long on the unarmed man who trespassed on my property, but if I went overboard and killed him while attempting to detain him for the police, none of his past history would matter in regards to my responsibility for his death today.

        1. avatar ChoseDeath says:

          Absolutely. And obviously I have no idea who you are, but on a human level I am extremely happy that that fellow made it through that situation and you don’t have to carry that burden around. Good on you Sir Haz.

    2. avatar Bigus Dickus says:

      Good information, however I fail to see how that justifies choking him out. In fact I don’t believe there is anything that can be shown that will justify choking out a cuffed and restrained suspect.

    3. avatar Miner49er says:

      Thanks for the info!

      You failed to mention it’s a crime reported here occurred in 2009 in Floyd had served his time in prison have been released.

      A portion of the article you didn’t mention:

      “None of the officers could have been aware of Floyd’s more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest.

      The 46-year-old moved to the city in 2014 and worked as a bouncer at a local restaurant, leaving behind his past in the Houston area.

      Floyd had made changes to his lifestyle and a recent video has emerged of him pleading with younger generations to make good choices and to stop gun violence.

      He had been there himself years ago, first being arrested in his 20s for theft and then a later arrest for armed robbery before he turned his life around.”

      1. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

        “Floyd had made changes to his lifestyle and a recent video has emerged of him pleading with younger generations to make good choices and to stop gun violence.

        He had been there himself years ago, first being arrested in his 20s for theft and then a later arrest for armed robbery before he turned his life around.”

        “Just turning his life around”?

        This is my not surprised face.

        *chortle*… 😉

        1. avatar jwtaylor says:

          That’s not “Just” anything. His crime was 13 years ago, longer than most of the new posters here have been alive.

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          “His crime was 13 years ago, longer than most of the new posters here have been alive.”

          Oof. That’s gonna require some burn gel.

        3. avatar Geoff "Trolls, the other white meat" PR says:

          d’mario, you’re really gonna have to up your game, son.

          You’re a sad shadow of the other trolls here…

        4. avatar Miner49er says:

          So George Floyd was accused of passing a bad $20 bill? And that required Chauvin to force him to the ground and kill him?

          How interesting that when Kellie, Chauvin’s wife passed a bad $42 check she wasn’t arrested or incarcerated.

          Of course, she’s not a black male.

          “DailyMail.com has learned Chauvin’s wife Kellie, a former Mrs. Minnesota America winner, was charged with writing a bad $42 check in February 2005.

          And despite multiple letters sent to her home about the bad check, she hadn’t paid the owed money by July of that year, leading to a criminal complaint being filed against her.

          Kellie, who at the time was married to her late ex-husband Kujay Xiong, eventually paid the money and the case was dismissed.”

          If the reports are true, it probably helped her to have a brother who was an LEO.

          Oh yeah, that smells like equal justice under the law.

        5. avatar Hydguy says:

          Again, for the slow witted Miner:
          The cop’s knee didn’t kill the guy.
          https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/medical-examiner-concludes-george-floyd-didnt-die-of-asphyxia

    4. avatar cgray says:

      Copsuckers gotta suck off cops…

      1. avatar Chunk says:

        They love to drain that thin blue jizz, don’t they?

    5. avatar BusyBeef says:

      Ah yes, the standard move of victim blaming.
      Here we have:

      -A man accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill.
      -Multiple angle video showing he didn’t resist arrest.
      -Video showing the police murdering him.

      Please tell me what any of his history has to do with the facts at the moment?
      Oh right.
      None.

      1. avatar frank speak says:

        probably very little…but still worth noting…

      2. avatar Hans says:

        Fired police officer Derek Chauvin who put knee on George Floyd’s neck arrested in Minnesota: WSJ

        1. avatar Miner49er says:

          The murder was arrested only after days of violent protest and rioting by the citizens.

          Maybe they have a point.

          “A riot is the language of the oppressed.”

        2. avatar JG says:

          With his history, the cop should have been off the street years ago. Instead, the Democrat leadership in Minneapolis and the Democrat prosecutor (new Sen. Klobuchar) let him slide. Interesting that many of these incidents occur in Democrat-owned cities. There may be a pattern.

        1. avatar Chunk says:

          Your own source says that underlying health conditions, combined with Chauvin’s restraint, contributed to his death. Go peddle your BS on Stormfront.

        2. avatar Hydguy says:

          Lol!!
          You libtards love to project your shortcomings on others.
          Why are you so enamored with giving head to men? You seem to be quite the expert. I see it all the time with people like you.
          As for your lame attempt at trying to imply I’m ‘racist’, that’s cute. Another projection of your feelings on others. I don’t see the color of any one as a factor. I base my opinion of people on the actions and words of the people.
          The dude had a underlying heart condition that was far more a factor than being restrained.
          The autopsy clearly shows the knee in the neck wasn’t the cause. I guess reading comprehension is something you are wholly unacquainted with. Another failing of libtards like you.
          If you have a bad heart, maybe you shouldn’t be acting up?

        3. avatar Robby says:

          Yea I’m sure he was going to die that day anyways. The officer choking him out was just an unfortunate coincidence.

    6. avatar Connie says:

      Yeah, many of the idiots on this site equate themselves with the criminals that the cops deal with. You are not like him; he is a criminal who was breaking the law when the police encountered him Yes, he paid for his 2009 armed robbery by doing his time, but that doesn’t change the fact that he was resisting the cops during this last incident. What his history shows is that he has been through the system, and he knows the proper way to handle himself during and encounter with police.

      Does any of this excuse the cop’s actions? Absolutely not. If he wants to act like a criminal, he should be treated like one. However, if you want a standard to be set, if must be applied uniformly. You say Floyd’s history doesn’t matter… then why does the cop’s history matter? Here you are ready an article about the cops history of reprimands, complaints, etc., but you aren’t complaining that he paid for his crimes or was exonerated by his police department.

      Secondly, no one has addressed the fact that regardless of the horse crap that Floyd posted about the next generation stopping the violence, he was trying to pass fake money and resisted arrest. Do you not see the similarities to this narrative and that of the many other “national headliner” police shootings of the last 10 years?

      The least you can do is wait until you have heard all of the information available. You idiots were dying that you wouldn’t make a judgment call on cases like these until you have all the facts, and here you are, three days later, acting like a bunch of social justice warriors. Do use all a favor. Grow a pair, act like men, and stop acting like a bunch of emotional women.

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        “he was resisting the cops during this last incident”

        Really? The video that I have seen shows him being compliant with the officers‘ requests, and not resisting.

        I’m sure you would not make the claim that he was resisting arrest unless you had seen strong evidence to support your claim, could you please direct us to your source or citation for the video of George Floyd resisting arrest, thanks!

        1. avatar Hydguy says:

          Miner: I’m still waiting for your proof that there were a bunch of Nazi flags and nooses at the Minnesota freedom rallies a few weeks ago.
          It’s ironic that you demand ‘proof’ for this, but fail to provide proof of your claim.
          Wait… it’s not ironic. It’s typical leftist stupidity, which sums you up.

        2. avatar Connie says:

          Yes, dunce, watch the extended video from the restaurant across the street. In that video, you can clearly see that when a police officer gets Floyd out of the vehicle, the other officer has to run around the vehicle to assist in getting Floyd in to handcuffs. Clue number 1. At the end of the video, the police walk Floyd to a cruiser that can be seen in the distant background, and when they get him to the side of the vehicle he can be seen bracing up against the vehicle with his leg as if he is trying to push away from the vehicle. Clue number 2.

          If you took the time to listen to what people were telling Floyd in the video that sparked all this outrage, you could hear them telling him clearly to stop resisting and just get in the police car. Clue number 3. I guess the cops are a whole lot smarter than you, because all of the evidence is there.

          No, I am not going to go hunt down a link for you. You can do the Google work yourself, since I already gave you the run down on what to be looking for.

    7. avatar Chris Morton says:

      So if I murder a cop and subsequently it’s revealed that he has a long history of sustained complaints and White supremacist activity about which I didn’t know when I killed him, does that justify the murder?

    8. avatar frank speak says:

      black guy with a criminal past…who knew?…….

      1. avatar Miner49er says:

        Cop with a history of excessive force complaints, who knew?

    9. avatar Hannibal says:

      Okay. It doesn’t matter if he had killed someone five minutes before. You still don’t suffocate him for 8-10 minutes. We have courts for punishment, not cops.

  2. avatar Steve says:

    Yeah read the reviews for Roanoke Texas deprtment, theyknow exactly when the men go to work and the women are home aloneyeah, they call badge bunnies. All PD does is run them off and they get a job at the next town doing the same thing
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Police Department Roanoke Texas&client=ms-android-samsung&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&inm=vs#lkt=LocalPoiReviews&trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:nav,rc_ludocids:2265028424580221562,rc_q:Roanoke Police Department,ru_q:Roanoke Police

  3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Everyone deserves a fair trial. But you have to get arrested first. Amazing how when it’s a government guy, politician, cop, bureaucrat, they always take their time.

    1. avatar N64456 says:

      Is it because the burden of proof and the latitude given to cops is much higher than you or I? And DAs have to study all the evidence and policies before filing charges?

      1. avatar rt66paul says:

        No, they are protecting their own. They don’t want to put a cop in with the snitches, child molesters, or “high power” criminals. Here is an idea – put them in with other cops….

  4. avatar strych9 says:

    I fail to see how prior history here is relevant.

    Unless it’s interaction between the suspect and the officer or the officer making comments that involve a desire to kill people of some specific type I don’t really see how it matters.

    What matters in this case is the incident itself and possible prior contact between the two men. I see the rest of this as nonsense designed to either inflame or generate sympathy and trying this guy in the court of public opinion isn’t the way to go here. That’s part of how we got the current crop of problems in the first place.

    1. avatar Mickey says:

      We got “the current crop of problems” when four men handcuffed a man, sat on him & when the man who was pinned to the ground said “I can’t breathe” this fine gentleman shifted his weight and put more pressure on the pinned man’s neck.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        I’m referring to the mindset on numerous sides of various arguments that led to that behavior.

        You can see it all the time right here on TTAG, acting like previous behavior is somehow germane to a specific incident when it’s not.

        1. avatar George in Alaska says:

          But the past really does apply to the present as most criminals simply do not change their lifestyles unless it’s some show to get good time. No doubt at all that the officer did murder Floyd but once again the poor, totally innocent citizen had just been involved in a crime and the police had been called by the store owner because “turned a new leaf in life over George” had tried to pass off counterfeit money. It is so often the case in these incidents. Again, the officer murdered George Floyd but almost all of these incidents start with the victim being involved in criminal activity…. and don’t even pretend that he didn’t know it wasn’t counterfeit.

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          Using someone’s past that way completely undermines the idea of the rule of law and the concept of personal responsibility. It’s essentially saying that if you did something bad (or good) in the past then what you do now must fall into that category.

          That’s the point.

          Now we’re at the point where it’s the cops history of getting complaints vs. the dead guy’s criminal history. Neither one matters. What matters is this incident. It doesn’t even matter if the dead guy did pass counterfeit. Doesn’t matter if he knew it when he did it. None of that is relevant to the issue at hand.

          This country has literally devolved to the point that we argue not about the incident in question but about the past lives of the people involved as if that somehow changes the incident. Would the fact that this guy was knee choked to death by a cop be somehow different if he was a model citizen? No. Would the fact that the cop knee choked him be changed if the cop had no prior complaints? No.

          Neither one is germane to the topic at hand which is the incident in question. Even if they had just busted a honest-to-god bank robber that robber still has rights and the cops don’t get to execute him in the street, or kill him via gross negligence either.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Assuming there was indeed a truly counterfeit $20 bill, how do we know that Floyd was involved in the counterfeiting?

          I have used a counterfeit $10 bill for a purchased that I didn’t realize it was counterfeit, the clerk did but she didn’t call the police and I end up dead, because I’m white. Instead she said, hey I think this is counterfeit do you have another one and they gave her a $10 bill in the end of story.

          My wife also passed a counterfeit bill, then got a phone call, never even had to show up for any questions much less arrested. But she too, is white.

          The point is, many of us end up with counterfeit currency in our billfold without realizing it, happens all the time.

          Of course, the police don’t usually murder us.

        4. avatar LarryinTX says:

          To my knowledge, there has been zero evidence of a counterfeit $20 bill. I have seen references, but not even the police department has claimed they found any such thing. If it turns out there was no actual crime to begin with, the whole city will burn.

          Miner, I passed a counterfeit $20 once, turned out I got it from my bank!

        5. avatar jwm says:

          Hell must have frozen over. I actually agree with miner on this one. I have had suspect bills in my wallet and used them at the stores. On at least one occasion the bill was questioned by the clerk and we settled the matter between us.

          And I am white. That whiteness seems to have served me well during other occasions when I did interact with the police.

          I still haven’t seen any evidence of the victim resisting arrest.

        6. avatar Dude says:

          “My wife also passed a counterfeit bill, then got a phone call”

          How did they know her phone number when she paid with cash?

        7. avatar Dude says:

          “That whiteness seems to have served me well during other occasions when I did interact with the police.”

          I’ve had countless interactions with the police. Traffic laws had little meaning to me as a young man. I also drive a lot. I’ve been pulled over plenty of times for a headlight or taillight being out. Only once was I asked to get out of the vehicle, patted down for weapons, and put in the back of the cruiser for a freakin headlight being out! I have no idea if race played an issue, but the cop was black. My girlfriend was in my car with her scrubs on and we had our Subway cups since we just ate after work. Yeah I looked real suspicious. /sarc

        8. avatar Dude says:

          I guess I should have asked for a refund for my white privilege since it wasn’t working out so well for me. I also know plenty of white people that live in poverty if you can believe that. Bernie Sanders said white people don’t know what it’s like to struggle and Joe Biden thinks all white kids are rich. They think that because that’s what they see in their life. They’re out of touch with reality. Don’t fall into that trap.

    2. avatar achmed says:

      Exactly. A cuffed suspect on the ground. This is not a deadly force situation. I have no issue with individual police but the police culture and stupid culture war is terrible.

  5. avatar Dennis says:

    So, like most of the trash out there looting and burning, he shouldnt have been running around loose! More than enough blame to go around!

    1. avatar jwtaylor says:

      Are you saying he should have never been released from prison after having served his full sentence?

  6. avatar Save whites says:

    When people of the gun start supporting blacks committing crimes, you know then end is near.

    Forget saving our 2A rights, white people are probably going to be banned soon 🙁

    1. avatar sam says:

      But the Whites with guns went there to protect the stores.besides demonstrating.

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      Um, nice try, but no soup for you.

      Anyone who knowingly attempts to pass counterfeit money should be arrested and charged, regardless of his/her physical aspects including skin color. But note that I did not say “killed” for that crime.

      Public skrewls have been closed for months now, but troll college is always in session. Go back to class.

  7. avatar Shire-man says:

    Big government and strong union protections.

  8. avatar John Galt says:

    Is there any other group in the U.S. that throws temper tantrums and burns cities down? Looters should be shot!!!! It is NOT POSSIBLE TO DO ENOUGH FOR THESE PEOPLE!

    Where are the rooftop Koreans when you need them?

    I don’t want one penny of tax dollars going to rebuild those neighborhoods or bringing in food because they burned the restraunts and stores. F’ them!!!!!!!!

    Let them spend next winter in tents and foraging.

  9. This begs a very important question.

    Is anyone still under the impression that “common sense”, “sensible” gun legislation will be enforced in an even-handed manner?

    1. avatar ChoseDeath says:

      I doubt anybody here thinks that.

      1. Anyone in the country who still thinks that is, at this point, a fucking idiot.

  10. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

    “A much different side of Chauvin was portrayed in a 2018 newspaper profile of his wife, Kellie, a Laotian refugee who was seeking to become the first Hmong Mrs. Minnesota.”

    His in-laws are Hmong?

    This could get interesting…

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      There have been claims for maybe 16 hours now (claims that I haven’t been able to verify at all, not that I really tried) that the kneeling cop’s wife is the asian cop’s sister. That is, that the two main cops in the video are brothers-in-law.

      Again, I haven’t verified that, just seen the claim. And as we know, so often, these sorts of reports are wrong.

      1. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

        “Again, I haven’t verified that, just seen the claim. And as we know, so often, these sorts of reports are wrong.”

        Yeah, a mess.

        Any word on the potential kidnapping video?

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          There was a video of the vehicle in question that purported to be OF a kidnapping. The vehicle description and tag number went out on Twitter.

          I have heard nothing else about it since then. I doubt it’s a big priority for LE right now.

    2. avatar Miner49er says:

      I have no idea about the relationship, but I can say that Tou Thao is a Hmong name.

  11. avatar Ron says:

    Now is the time to get out of the cities. The suburbs and buisness districts are the real prize to the horde.

    A horde scenario might be coming and the horde won’t last long once they exhaust all the city resources and pour into the country side. Even an ad-hoc, moderately trained militia will decimate and scatter a horde. Especially one running on fumes with lack of clean water.

  12. avatar Miner49er says:

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

    – John F. Kennedy

    1. avatar DND says:

      ” the cop’s background is relevant btu George Floyd’s violent noncriminal history is not”
      –average idiot leftist

      1. avatar cgray says:

        Cops have a license to kill whoever they want to because they wear snazzy government costumes.–

        Every Trumpgoober ever.

    2. avatar Ron says:

      “I invented the internet.” – Al Gore.

      1. avatar Tsay Nguyen says:

        “My daddy shoots people”

        – Ralph Wiggum

    3. avatar Geoff "Guns. LOTS of guns..." PR says:

      Poor little butt-hurt d’mario.

      I bet you hate what looks back at you in the mirror every morning.

      (And for a good reason, I might add… 😉 )

  13. avatar C.S. says:

    Why are we talking about this?

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      Uh, because people here own guns… and at this point it could be argued that significant civil unrest is seeming to spread across the land which makes it a good time to… own guns and know how to use them?

      Because that kind of “be your own first responder in case violence makes a call on you” attitude is a big part of TTAG?

      Duh?

    2. avatar Cloudbuster says:

      Because we need common sense knee control?

  14. avatar Country Boy says:

    After seeing the pillaging, thievery, arson and destruction of property by *”protestors”* (read blacks and whites
    coersed/urged by socialist democrat activists, to commit these acts of theft and violence), I think the “protestors” care more about the sudden opportunity for themselves to steal merchandise and burn down stores.than they do about the death of this man by Police.

    Actions speak louder than words……

    No one is above the law….that goes for those who destroy/burn other’s property, stores, livelihood, and thieves who steal flat screen TVs and Stereos while claiming to actually be “protesting” too IMHO.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      should have brought in the guard the first night….that mayor is a bit of a wuss…rather sacrifice his city than shoot a looter….

  15. avatar Auxwood_rebel says:

    Mike Freeman, county attorney for Hennepin County, said there was ‘other evidence that does not support a criminal charge’

    2 weeks ago the white guys in georgia ” shouldn’t get involved, let the police handle it” ,today -“cops are evil” and “trump is evil” and “nationalize the police” nationalized bipolar

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      A friend of mine posed an interesting question about what you’ve mentioned here.

      What happens if some terrorist asshole decides that one of this groups of pedestrians (law abiding or not) makes a good target of opportunity with the police stretched so thing and decides to go all Nice on the situation with a large truck?

      How does the public respond to that?

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        *stretched so thin.

        1. avatar rt66paul says:

          I think that maybe they need their things stretched.

      2. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Unlike Nice, the public here responds by shooting the mofo dead.

        1. avatar strych9 says:

          LOL OK, and assuming that happens what do they do to aid the dozens or hundreds of wounded by such an event?

    2. avatar Auxwood_rebel says:

      now one of the cops has been arrested with the same DA saying “I’m not insensitive to what happens in the streets.”

      wonder what changed his mind…

      https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/1216095270/960×0.jpg?fit=scale

  16. avatar Jimmy Beam says:

    I love it. I say let ’em riot and run wild. Let them destroy their own communities. Jobs will leave. Investment will leave. Tax receipts will plummet. Schools will close The few remaining decent people will move away. Just like what has happened in the past.

  17. avatar Randy Jones says:

    Let’s be honest about two things. First, the officer has a questionable background, but many people will claim anything if they think it will help them out of a situation, especially when body cameras aren’t running. That doesn’t mean this is a clean incident but at least half of the complaints are probably false. Remember Ferguson, ‘hand up, don’t shoot’? That left DNA inside the car and forensics proved otherwise. Still Black Lives Matter – Yes they do, just as much as everyone else’s.

    Secondly, 98% of us have no clue what it would be like to be in a similar situation, we have not been in active combat or in a violent police altercation. We would rather not find out. I had considered a career in law enforcement until I knew several LEOs who had been assaulted during traffic stops or simply serving a warrant. 99% of them are good honest people but just as with all people, there is that 1% that isn’t.

    None of this excuses the burning, looting & etc. that has gone on in several major cities. Who is to be held liable for that? The officer had already been removed from service pending an investigation. There are reports of an ambulance being held up for over twenty minutes because traffic was blocked by protesters, if that person had died before making it to the hospital, who would be liable for that? Nothing says ‘I Want Justice’ like ripping off a mini mart or Target. Or burning a police station.

    If the LEO is found guilty in a court of law, I’ll bring the rope and help string him up. And that can happen when those guilty of millions in damage start paying for the cost of reconstruction.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      some of us are old enough and have been through this before…you go home..load up…then band together to protect the neighborhood…under those circumstances the cops are too distracted to be of any help…

  18. avatar enuf says:

    There is a politically/culturally driven need to either rationalize away wrongful behavior or exaggerate good behavior. Social media, the toilet of the internet, is the playground for this common human dysfunction.

    What matters is the events the officers and their victim were party too in the moment, second by second. That is what all on scene knew about each other and were either justified, or not justified, in doing with each other.

    We see video of a calm citizen alleged to have committed a crime of passing a fake $20 bill being arrested. At first, without incident. He did not resist. The last eight minutes of his life are spend not resisting, on the ground with an officer crushing his neck under his knee as the defeated and handcuffed victim lay there begging for his life.

    We may debate the type of homicide that is, but arguing that it was not a terrible and cruel criminal act because many years ago the victim did something wrong is politics, political virtue signaling, devoid of the reality before us. It is an effort to force a narrative upon an event, which makes the next events inexplicable.

    Guess what? We People of the Gun often talk about citizens rising up to resist a tyranny. Typically implying an organized effort at some level. Well, that is not the common reaction of a population building up anger to the heavy hand of government. The most typical reaction is a paroxysm of anger and violence. A mob reaction, not a citizen’s militia over-throwing the forces of tyranny.

    Of course it is wrong what is happening with all the violence and looting in Minneapolis or any other city. Just don’t tell yourself that this is abnormal human behavior in the face of a class of tyranny. Cops treating either the general public or a portion of the general public in a heavy handed and brutal way is a form of government tyranny and protest that gets out of hand is a natural reaction to it.

    The way to prevent all this is not the violence we are seeing. The preventative is better training and education of police. To include the emphasis of all officers being responsible and authorized to intervene when one of their own goes off the rails.

    When we see video of officers on a scene breaking up a criminal assault upon a suspect or citizen, or arresting a fellow officer on the spot, that is when we will begin to see this tide turn.

    1. avatar Tired of the bs says:

      No immunity. Cops should be self bonded if no one will bond them because of their actions they lose their job. Cops should also be held accountable for not arresting other cops they knew or should have known were dirty.

  19. avatar CentralVirginian says:

    Neither man’s background was relevant to the situation. The issue is not black and white either. All citizens should be concerned when law enforcers cross the line whether its a black man in handcuffs being choked to death in the street or a white man being forced to crawl on a motel floor, only to be executed for loose basketball shorts.

    1. avatar Aaron says:

      some people are making it an issue of race, whether it should be or not.

      1. avatar rt66paul says:

        It is an issue of race and add in the fact that the black man was a large man. What we
        have here is a scared white cop, thinking that even hand cuffed, the suspect was overwhelming large and was a monster.
        Anyone who is that scared shouldn’t be a LEO.

        1. avatar CentralVirginian says:

          Irrational fear and lack of respect for human life were clearly evident. Assuming something based upon skin color is every bit as ignorant in this situation as it is in all situations. Just because the killer was white doesn’t mean race was a factor. My point is that excessive use of force is a concern for people of all complexions, just like no knock warrants or civil asset forfeiture.

      2. avatar frank speak says:

        probably integral…not likely to treat a white guy that way……

  20. avatar Ralph says:

    Chauvin’s past record doesn’t matter. What does matter is his knee on Floyd’s neck until Floyd died.

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      that’s one issue…burning down the town is something else…

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        A plague on both their houses.

  21. avatar Stephanie abeyta says:

    Why was he still in uniform. Why are cops not terminated and KEPT FROM getting ANOTHER GUN AND BADGE FEOM ANYWHERE EVER IF ONLY ONE COMPLAINT IS MADE. My youngest son was beaten up by FIVE OFFICERS IN CHEYENNE WYOMING we went to court everything against my son dismissed. What happened to any of the officers. NOTHING. THE OFFICER LAUGHED ON THE STAND. AT WHAT POINT DOES SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THESE OFFICERS. Not at any point did NOT ONE OF THE OFFICERS TELL MY SON HE WAS UNDER ARREST. AND THE WHITE LADY OFFICER THAT STARTED ALL OF THIS WALKED UP TO MY SON GRABBED HIS ARM DIGGING HER NAILS INTO HIS ELBOW PULLING HIM TO HER CAR HE KEPT ASKING AM I UNDER ARREST FOR SOMETHING- she tried to taze him mace him and NOT ONCE TOLD HIM WHY. I LOST ALL RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT DAY THEY THREW HIM IN JAIL AND DID NOT ALLOW HIM TO MAKE A CALL FOR 22 hours. I was ready to put a missing persons out when I got the call from him in jail. JUST POSTING THIS I BECOME ENRAGED WITH ANGER OVER WHAT WAS DONE TO HIM AND LIKE THE JUDGE SAID THANK GOD WE DONT HAVE A CORONER IN COURT TESTIFYING MY HEART CRIES FOR GEORGE FLOYD FOR THE FEAR HE MUAT HAVE HAD THE HURT FOR HIS FAMILY. IM SORRY THE OFFICER NEEDS THE DEATH PENALTY BUT SAD TO SAY IM SURE IT WILL BE ANOTHER RODNEY KING SITUATION. THESE RIOTS ONLY THE BEGINNING

    1. avatar frank speak says:

      you respond with a firm hand….or suffer the consequences…..take your pick….

    2. avatar JG says:

      Not sure I agree with lifelong termination after only a single complaint. Would lead to the anti-cop equivalent of swatting. There is a balance and some common sense should be applied. And, if a cop is dismissed for something like this (whether there are criminal charges or not), that cop should never work in law enforcement again. Anywhere.

    3. avatar tdiinva says:

      This is a troll. Why engage with it.

  22. avatar American Patriot says:

    The writings of another leftest.
    Convicted by the mob of looters & rioters that’s burning down the city….Sounds like justice to me. Funny thing in all my life I’ve never seen a group of White people riot, loot & burn down their city because of an injustice of another White man…….But then that’s not in out nature!

  23. avatar Hannibal says:

    The number of complaints and shootings without context is useless. What was the average number of complaints and shootings for an officer on his shift would be the question I would ask next.

    If you aren’t getting complaints, you aren’t working.

    That said, you’ll also get complaints if you are abusing people.

  24. avatar Otto Lode says:

    the problem here is the police departments foster and protect crooked officers like this and thats why I don’t believe there are any “good” cops as long as they run cover for fellow officers they know to be crooked they are all crooked and should suffer the consequences of such a life

    1. avatar Tired of the bs says:

      This is so true

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