I was hanging out with Charlie Sisk doing some load development in his private indoor range a few weeks back, and we stumbled across a pretty surprisingly accurate subsonic .243 Winchester load. We were trying to find an acceptably accurate load for one of his friend’s kids to start practicing without much recoil or noise (they have a silencer), and after some trial and error we were getting as good a group as if we’s been shooting supersonic. Here’s the data . . .
Brass: .243 R-P New
Powder: Trail Boss 12.1gr
Primer: Federal 210
Bullet: Nosler 70gr Ballistic Tip
COL: 2.610
Barrel twist: 1:10
As for how well it groups? Check out this 100 yard target:
That’s 10 rounds through the same hole, ignoring the one flier, at 100 yards. We could see daylight through the other side.
Since Charlie was super pumped about this load, I figured it was worth sharing. Good luck, and happy loading!
Everyone email.
When the police have the common populace out-gunned, we have a Police State. Congrats, liberals. The Second Amendment, however, is not applauding you.
http://wr2a.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-bottom-line-of-the-second-amendment/
Surprised that there are those here that place pot smoking and gay marriage above the 2A,but everyone has their own priorities I guess.
Camo? That stuff they’re wearing will help them blend in in front of a walmart? Don’t these guys own a mirror? That woodland camo will make them vanish in front of my white Toyota Camry?
If they want to wear urban camo they need to look like fire hydrants and mail boxes. That one on the left has the fire hydrant shape down pretty good.
My money is on the fact that regardless of the outcome, he’ll sign the ban and then come out and say “Most people were for the ban”, even if most were actually against. No way in hell he’ll do the right thing.
One more thought before heading out to walk the dog. My son is cop. My father, brother, brother-in-law and mother-in-law are/were cops. All have either seen first hand – or heard about second hand – hopped-up junkies walk through a hail of close-quarters 9mm and try to eat the shooter. Never heard of one walking through even a few .45s, let alone a hail. Oh, and a final thought: look down the business end of a Glock 19 (unloaded!). You see a lot of dark metal and a little black hole. Now do it with an (unloaded!) XDS. Looks like a manhole to hell. Very convincing if your goal is to stop the confrontation and avoid bloodshed. Not that I’d recommend the passive, wait-and-see approach, but it’s there.
Is THIS the land of the free???
I just sent an email. I don’t live in CO but I am there usually 3 times per year for gun related sport and activities. They pass the bill, I’ll find a new place to hang out and relax on vacation.
Now wait a minute.
“The rifle, having been purchased in trade from another customer, cannot be released to Mr. Kelly or any other customer for a minimum of 20 days in accordance with local ordinances.”
How many admissions of bloviating know-it-all mistaken statements did that trigger? I think there were at least 10 guys including Robert in his post who said it was a lie because AZ has no waiting period.
NY would never let NYC go (there was a small movement afoot years ago in NYC to secede from the State, but it never gained traction because the state ended it by paying off the city) plain fact is NYS gets most of its revenue from NYC, than the city gets back from the state. The never-ending drumbeat is the city subsidizes the rest of the state. I live in one of the (upstate) Counties (just outside of Albany) which jumped on this resolution band wagon early in the game (like 3rd or 4th), they’re very pro-gun here. It’s actually suprising its in NYS. The County Judge and Clerk are all pro-2A supporters.
In NY, the state has a supremacy clause for all firearms related laws, with the explicit exception for Cities with over 500,000 in population, which is why NYC can pass its own gun laws – other than that, everyone else is neutered from passing their own laws (which js generally good, as it avoids a patchwork of differing laws which would be a nightmare to navigate). Other than resolutions, which have no power in law…counties cant do much of anything. It was just a means for them to let the state know how they feel. The only thing the Sheriff can do is not enforce it at a local level. But there are plenty of state LEO’s to do the governors bidding….just would take a little longer….
I dunno about Herkimer, but even the urban areas ’round here have a lotta green. Solid dark blue stands out.
In an active shooter situation, S.W.A.T. is certainly called for, and special clothing goes with that. I’ve no more problem with LEOs in cammo than with Joe the Plumber in cammo – at least if he eels it tucked in.
As for weapons, are you seriously suggesting that one segment of society should be less well armed than another?
A few years back, a particularly problematic nasty was only stopped when LEOs went to a gun store in the vicinity and borrowed the same type of gear the bad guy had.
While I’m no fan of no-knock raids, I’ve no problem with the responders to an emergency being loaded for bear.
If they didn’t release pictures if Osama bin laden’s dead ass, (which i think the public should see), there is no reason to release these pics either.
Translation: “We can’t do this through the legal system, so we’ll just rely on the citizens’ good intentions to allow us to confiscate their property.”
That has to be one of the best analogies I’ve ever seen. Bravo, sir.
They shot the poor kid for his Skittles.
Gday, I tried AS-50 (Australian Shotgun) a ADI powder made in Australia (ADI make Varget), in my .243, using 10.5 grains behind a 75 TNT Speer and got a 75 moa 5 shot group, Speed,, ?? don’t know. Norm, Queensland, Australia.
I have used TB a3 sporter,19gn. Shoots 3/4 ,mow @100. My. 243win w/9.25 twist using 12gns and get 1/2moa @ 100? Both loads I use only standard primers.