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Bowl o' GLOCK (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

So I bought a GLOCK 19 for everyday carry. Nice gun. Not too big. Plenty of capacity. Shoots well. Reliable as death and taxes; fully capable of causing one and, at least initially (for the Great State of Texas), the other. I looked at SIG, Springfield, Smith, H&K and FN. But I bought the GLOCK because I’m a striker-fired carry gun kinda guy and I needed a gun (after retiring my Caracal C). A GLOCK is a gun. But I’m annoyed that the Austrian firearm is just a little too generic. Specifically, the packaging puts me off . . .

GLOCK 19 cased (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

Have you seen government-mandated cigarette packaging in Australia? If you’re squeamish, don’t click here. (And those are just the pretty ones.) The law was predicated on the fact that cigarettes are bad, consumers are children—literally and figuratively—the cigarette industry is the government’s bitch and uglifying the packs will put people off buying them.

Guns save lives. So why does GLOCK destroy the aesthetics of their packaging with a WARNING! DANGER, WILL ROBINSON! label larger than a pack of playing cards—when they don’t have to? They do it for the children!

Children are attracted to and can operate firearms that cause severe injuries or death. Prevent child access by always keeping guns locked away and unloaded when not in use. If you keep a loaded firearm where a child obtains and improperly uses it, you may be fined or sent to prison.

No, the feds didn’t write that copy. GLOCK’s lawyers (presumably) did. It’s repeated in Spanish too (once again proving that English is the more concise of the two languages). And if that’s not enough, there’s the ALL CAPS finer print below:

The use of a locking device or safety lock is only one aspect of responsible firearms storage. For increased safety firearms should be stored unloaded and locked in a location that is both separate from their ammunition and inaccessible to children and other unauthorized person.

But wait! THERE’S MORE!

Do not place a loaded pistol in this container. An unattended loaded weapon can cause injury or death to yourself or another!

Yup. All by itself. Boom. You’re dead! Exclamation mark and all. Talk about playing into the hands of the antis . . . But I’d rather talk about aesthetics.

The warning label is hideous. It covers the GL of the GLOCK logo underneath, making me wonder if the Austrian gunmaker was hiding an F-bomb. (JK. Austrians don’t do irony.) The label’s not even centered. Off to the right: the ID/UPC sticker attached by Sportsman’s Paradise, accompanied by a green stock number dot peeling off the side. Ug.

Let’s have a look at the case without the stickers.

Lock the GLOCK (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

FWIW, this paragraph was preceded by a great deal of [mostly unsuccessful] effort attempting to remove leftover adhesive from the aforementioned warning label. And here’s what we’ve got: OCK! (Shades of The World According to Garp.) To be fair, LOCK. The barely perceptible G goes all the way around the case and forms the L (or vice versa). Which just goes to show you how lame GLOCK’s logo is, generally speaking.

GLOCK lock (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

Here’s the kicker: there’s no way to easily and securely lock the GLOCK case. Unlike Springfield’s svelte XD attaché case or any of Smith & Wesson’s cases, there’s no purpose-built hole through which you can thread a beefy lock. You’re left with the bendy crappy kind of lock: a REGAL R15LCI, complete with an entire warning pamphlet in three languages (pourquoi pas?) that provides installation instructions (on the reverse side). For guns. Not gun cases. But there is a warning sticker!

GLOCK 19 peek-a-boo! (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

How easy is it to defeat the REGAL R15LCI? Not as easy as it is to lose the keys but almost. I mean, is there a pair of bolt cutters—make that garden shears—that won’t cut through the lock?

If you want to use the lock to secure the GLOCK case containing your unloaded firearm—for transportation or storage—you can only wrap the cable fully around the carrying handle once. When so secured, you can still easily remove the firearm from the case, with the lock attached [as above].

GLOCK could counter that they don’t want their customers to use their case for storage or, even more conveniently, transportation—despite human nature, customer convenience and branding opportunities. But why wouldn’t [supposedly] safety obsessed GLOCK want their customers’ gun to be doubly secured? Once in a locked GLOCK case and also in a “proper locked container”? Wouldn’t that be better than a sticker?

Glock 19 in situ (courtesy The Truth About Guns)

OK, I’m done. Except to say this: I love my GLOCK. I love what GLOCK does for gun rights; donating millions to the NRA and others. But they need to step up their packaging game. If Springfield can make a case that’s worth owning in and of itself at this price point, a case where everything has its place rather than simply tossed in (which creates its own dangers) so can GLOCK.

Make me proud(er) to own your piece guys. And genuinely safer for having done so.

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  1. I’ve bought so many Glocks I never even bother to look at the case. I take the pistol out, with mags, close the case, tuck it away in a cabinet and never look at it again unless I sell the pistol. Honestly, I’ve never given the Glock packaging a second thought. I have bought other handguns that come with elaborate cases, the most extravagant was a FNX .45. The case was a small briefcase, kind of cheap feeling. I’ve bought super expensive firearms that come, literally, in an all-cardboard container: FN SCAR 17, etc.

    I’ve always kind of liked the compact black plastic box the Glocks come in, but again, don’t really give it a second thought.

    I have however wondered by Ruger puts their handguns in cardboard boxes, seems kind of weird.

    • That’s funny, my Ruger came in a nice gray plastic case, the S&W Governor I recently got came in a cardboard box, there’s no method to the madness.

    • I have an SR9, SR40c and the wife has a SR9c and they all came in very high quality vacuum molded plastic boxes. My $1200 Sig, however, came tossed in lose with its accessories, in a black sig cardboard box. Go figure.

      • “Lose” is a form of “lost”. It means you can’t find something. “Loose” is the word you are looking for. Too bad so many gun owners are semi-literate, it makes the rest of us look bad. Brush up on your primary language, dude.

    • I bought a Tri-star pistol (same as the Canic “Shark” series, but lower priced) and it came with an extremely durable plastic case. The case has sliding locks that have holes for two locks to prevent opening. The custom cut hard foam inside is extremely durable, and nicely fitting to the pistol.

      While It wouldn’t take more than a couple of minutes for somebody determined to get into the thing, it definitely does not suffer from “warp side here, pull gun out” syndrome.

      I have noticed some of the more expensive firearms come with the nice “gun sleeves”.

      On the opposite end of the spectrum, the beretta neos I bought came with the cheapest plastic case money could buy. Cheap acoustic foam inside really showed where the cost savings were coming from.

      • Not anymore. The XD(M) rocks. The XD-9 Mod2 makes the Glock 43 seem like an Airsoft.

        Plus, more and more people are coming ouyt and talkling about Glock’s slide-bite.

        Once bitten. Twice shy. Glocks suck!

    • This review is hilarious. Who (besides retailers) actually uses those crappy plastic boxes for anything? Maybe you can use it for a lunch box, if you’re really into pressing your luck and your “civil rights”. Give it to your kid for a crayon box. It’s so stylish. No, really, throw it in the (neighbors) recycle bin, and put the lock on some bridge as a testament to your undying Glock love. 🙂

    • My mom always told me, if I have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

  2. Never considered the case as anything more than the “box” it came in. As far as providing something more practical and useful like you assert that their competition can, for what Glock charges and for what the guns really cost to make they absolutely should. Still my go to combat tupperware.

    • This ancient quote from Mark Twain springs to mind when the dangers of children touching a gun are mentioned;
      found at

      Don’t meddle with old unloaded firearms. They are the most deadly and unerring things that have ever been created by man. You don’t have to take any pains at all with them; you don’t have to have a rest, you don’t have to have any sights on the gun, you don’t have to take aim, even. No, you just pick out a relative and bang away, and you are sure to get him. A youth who can’t hit a cathedral at thirty yards with a Gatling gun in three-quarters of an hour, can take up an old empty musket and bag his mother every time at a hundred. Think what Waterloo would have been if one of the armies had been boys armed with old rusty muskets supposed not to be loaded, and the other army had been composed of their female relations. The very thought of it makes me shudder.
      – Advice to Youth speech, 4/15/1882

  3. who really cares what their gun comes in. I rather it come in a plastic bag so I wouldn’t have such a huge stack of crappy plastic gun boxes laying around.

    • Couldn’t agree more. Throw the plastic away and go with the ever-thrifty LA Police Gear ($10) soft case. Seriously RF, there’s nothing more important to whine about?

    • I don’t “care” so much as I prefer. My Springfield came in a very nice case. It was lockable, which was nice because it was all I had to secure the firearm for the week before my safe was delivered. It was also nice to not have to buy another case to travel with it.

      It seems like such a small thing to add.

  4. In the second paragraph I think you meant to write “predicated” instead of “predicted.”

    You know what I don’t understand about Glocks? Some of the models have beveled slides and cut outs in the magwell which are quite stylish (like the gen 4 26) but other guns like the 19 don’t have those cuts or bevels. They probably have no functionality at all, but they make the gun look more stylish. If I were getting a Glock, it would probably be a 26.

    I understand part of the appeal of Glock is not having to worry about marring it because it is already ugly, but those Austrians are perfectly capable of making the gun look better. I just think they don’t want to.

      • Some states require the sale of a lock with every handgun. Here in PA, if your a dealer and you sell a handgun, it must have a lock with it, even if it’s used. Manufacturers know this and include locks knowing full well that somewhere in the area of .0001% of owners use them for their firearms. All my sheds and toolboxes have Sig and Ruger locks on them…

  5. I think that lock is just supposed to be used feed through the action of the gun and prevent it from being fired.

    • He knows and stated it. He was just pointing out that unlike some other packaging, the end user cannot use the hard case as a formal, locked, transportation case.

  6. That Glocks are boring is both part of their appeal and a constant criticism. They are hardly the first company to send their firearm in packaging that is clearly not intended to be used all the time.

    I can’t recall the last time I saw a Glock at the range being carried in its original case. Ironically, but not without good reason, I can’t remember the last time I DIDN’T see an XD at the range in anything other than its original case.

    However, Glock doesn’t bother with the extras because they don’t have to. Not that the XD or the M&P series aren’t fine guns but they are both contenders in the Glock’s world. Glock is still the king at what they do. May not always be that way, but it’s how it is today.

    • Haha…I take all of my (two) pistols to the range in their original case. Including the Glock. *Looks sheepish* Something nice like a Pelican case is quite a few lines down on the budget at the moment.

      • Lots of very good soft cases that work much better than the original hard cases. Love me the Maxipitdition cases.

    • Once you get over treating your handgun like fine china, you just don’t care any longer. I stick mine in its holster, throw it in a bag, throw the extra mags in the mag pouches and go.

      It’s a tool, it can take a bit of knocking around.

      • I also take pistols to the range in the cases they came in.

        I’m of the “keep it immaculate” mindset. However, I do love looking at a firearm that has been burnished by the patina of use and time.

        On the “immaculate” side though, the longer you take care of it, the longer it lasts as a whole…

  7. Really? You went off on the case? That seems a bit…juvenile. IMO there’s Springfield’s version of a gun case (outstanding packaging, BTW), and then there’s everything else. This is a nonissue. By the way, your coffee from McDonalds is hot. Don’t burn yourself.

    My only beef with Glock has been the Brass to the Face™ that I’m still trying to exorcise. TTAG should do an article on that topic!

      • Gen 4, purchased towards the beginning of the year. ~600 rounds through. I tried switching out the #1 extractor for a #4, and my gunsmith even managed to put a Gen 3 trigger pack in. They’ll fit, with a little shaving. (And I quote, “I’ll whittle you a gun out of a Glock yet!) Still no dice. Some of it may have been my shooting style, which I’m adjusting…though I’d hate to think that a Glock has to be shot a certain way…

        After restoring it to factory defaults (#1 extractor and the Gen 4 trigger) I sent it back to meet its maker. Glock came back and said that the “extractor depressor plunger bearing” was warped, and thus replaced. ~100 rounds fired after getting it back shows a significant reduction in BTF, although it did happen maybe a half-dozen more times. Perhaps now its a combination of still breaking the gun in and fine-tuning my stance.

        In this day and age, I just hate hearing, “Oh, just shoot it more.” I’m not made of time, money, or ammunition. Still, there was a definite improvement after Glock worked on it. At the very least I now have some spare parts and the knowledge of how to completely take the gun apart.

  8. Glock puts that stuff because it’s required in some states, IE my state requires all of that stupidity as a part of law. Easier to make them all one way then rely on distributors.

    • Yes, I’m pretty sure I haven’t purchased a gun in the past few years that didn’t say something about children being attracted to them and locking them separate from ammo and everything that’s posted above. It’s so standard across every brand of gun I’ve purchased new that I cannot see it coming from “glock’s lawyers” or whatever. Legal requirements, maybe suggestions from the NSSF that became law, etc. Now whether it’s a sticker on the box or a flyer inserted inside may be up to the company, because I see it both ways on a regular basis.

  9. Did you give the Steyrs a serious look? Striker-fired, less generic than a Glock and similar ergos to the Caracal. Must I go on? If I have to come up with a downside, which in fairness I do, it’s the short list of holster makers.

    • I thought the designer for the Steyr pistol was involved with the Caracel as well, or is that incorrect?

      I read it on the Internet, so…..

      • Correct (also according to the internet). Wilhelm Bubits worked at Glock and then moved on. He designed the Steyr pistols and then the Caracals.

  10. RF, you strike me as a fellow Apple consumer. There’s a company that completely understands packaging and the entire consumer experience start to finish. I have long agreed with the stance you’ve taken in this article, it’s too bad Glock hasn’t seen the light yet.

    • I’m an Apple guy and a Glock guy. Glock packaging has actually improved – Gen 2s and 3s used to come in a rubber tub. The current packaging is an improvement, but definitely could use improvement. Heck, forward your letter to Glock USA. Personally, I don’t care a whole lot about the case. A lot of guns still come in cardboard boxes. I know good cases, and will put my Glock in my Pelican, or Blackhawk case if I need something decent.

      Glocks aren’t meant for cases – they’re meant for holsters.

    • The issue about “packaging” on firearms is a bit moot. There are many guns that cost far, far more than any Glock ever will that come in cheap packaging.

      The one criticism of Glock is that their box should have a lock provision, if only to get the gun from point A to point B and be completely compliant with firearms transport rules in some states which require it be in a locked case or inaccessible to the driver. If you’re in a pickup truck with an open bed, you’d be in sort of a problem in California if you have a brand-new Glock in an unlocked case in the cab of a pickup with you – and for that reason alone, Glock should have some lock provision on their factory case/package, just to get you home so you can transfer it to the case or container of your preference.

  11. Plastic gun/plastic case. In all fairness, the Glock is a superlative handgun. It’s virtually unbreakable, totally dependable, simple to operate and reasonably accurate. Pride of ownership? Meh, but that’s not even a consideration when a gun is most needed.

  12. Yeah, it’s really not that big of a deal. It’s no surprise that there are so many warning labels, it comes from Europe which is the the land of Health and Safety warnings. As for the literal case, It could be nearly the best case is the world, but It’s never the one I want or need, so I always get the one or multiple ones I need for my rifles, pistols, and shotguns. I only keep the cases in case I sell it.

  13. I miss the old ‘tupperware’ packaging. Held same thing as the new case and took up less space in storage.

    • That’s what I was thinking. RF would have crapped his pants if he saw it in the old Tupperware case! Those really could facilitate a neglegent discharge if you put them in there loaded because they had that post that goes through the trigger guard. I think that lawsuit is probably where that “do not put in box loaded ” part comes from. I love my Glocks but agree if you want pretty packaging then wait for Apple to start making handguns.

    • My 1st generation came in a “Tupperware” type box and there was an internal post that went thru the trigger guard to locate the pistol. It was discovered that storing a loaded Glock (one in the chamber) in such a box could indeed result in the gun going off if roughly handled or dropped. I’m thinking that their warning about not storing the pistol loaded dates back to that box.

  14. The cable lock is designed to go through the barrel with slide open. That’s how my local gun store displays their handguns. And I am surprise you didn’t buy the .40 caliber version since with a drop conversion barrel you now have a 9mm!

  15. The only reason locks come with guns is they have to provide them by law. Which means the locks are the cheapest pieces of junk you can find that still fit the loosest legal definition of a lock.

    That said if you’re judging a gun based on the box it comes in, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve bought a number of firearms that came in plain brown cardboard boxes with no case to be found.

    Congrats on getting one of the best carry guns ever. Though now that you have the 19, you might end up with a 26 and a 17 or 34 as well. The fact that they can all use the same mags and holsters (if you get slide option holsters) makes it easy to justify getting the whole family.

  16. Goo Gone for the sticker residue! I kinda take that big “NOT LEGAL IN CALIFORNIA” sticker as a badge of honor.

    • Two thumbs up on Goo Gone. As for the rest, Robert was trying to fill space and be amusing, I gather. I’m with Paul-I don’t give a rat’s back end what the container is like. All I’m interested in is the gunny goodness inside.

    • I have an obsession that requires me to remove the sticker on any tupper ware or equivalent tubs before they get wet for the first time, after that, fagettaboutit. The glue residue then gets funky dirty. Start from a corner and then exercise patience. Pull straight back on the label very low and slow. taking advantage of contact adhesive’s low shear strength and it preferes the paper instead of the plasic container (kinda like the mom in a young child, custody case). If the paper starts to rip, switch to another corner.
      Did I mention it was an obsession?

  17. “Reliable as death and taxes” How many recalls have Glock had? I can think of three. Look up glock ka-boom on google and one will see a wealth of information pertaining to the glocks being recalled, etc.

    • Well, the “reliable” portion is that they always go “bang.”

      The problem is that they go “bang” sometimes when you don’t want them to go “bang.”

      • It’s true that Glock has had a recall or three. But they don’t fire unless the trigger is pulled.

      • Just because a Glock owner’s finger was on the trigger doesn’t mean they wanted it to go “bang.”

        Ask a busload of NYPD cops whether they intended to shoot themselves in the leg when holstering the gun whether that was what they wanted to do.

  18. I love my Glock.
    I like the case,
    even if my padlock,
    hasn’t any place.

    Stickers here.
    Stickers there.
    Add some more.
    I don’t care.

  19. You’re talking about warning labels in the US? Ha! I think we are one of the few countries that is required to put overly ridiculous labels on things to prevent people from doing stupid things with them…

  20. A Glock 19 is indeed everything you could want in a carry gun. Fairly compact, good firepower, never a single failure of any kind, good sights, naturally shoots point of aim, trigger is fine, etc., etc. etc.

    Yet I almost never carry the damn thing. If go up from my usual 38 j-frame, I tend to go with my 1911. I’m not sure why, myself. Maybe I’m just old school.

    • I’ve heard the same things for years and years about Glock being the perfect carry gun in every way. But, frankly, they dont’ fit my hand. Not even close. They are just way too fat. I had a 19, but it was so uncomfortable, I never carried it. After 2 years in the safe, I finally sold it. I’m not big on keeping firearms that I don’t use. Now I carry an sr40c in cool weather and a sig 290 in the heat. I have nothing against Glocks, I just can;t get by that brick of a grip.

    • I agree. The 19 was my primary SD gun for decades – I got mine the first year it was released (1988). It was my first Glock. I was (and still am) really impressed with the manufacturing expertise that Glock showed the world in the 80’s. It is, for both technical and legal reasons, a nearly perfect CCW gun. Technical because it is reliable and the accuracy is entirely acceptable for self-defense situations. Legal, because so many LEO’s carry Glocks that it would be difficult for someone to argue in a civil trial that you’re carrying something horribly offensive and intended to kill people above and beyond a “normal” gun. The number of LEO’s carrying Glocks makes it a “normal” gun.

      Today, I’ve left the 19 in the bedside stand or safe, because I prefer packing the 36. They’re still what I prefer to pack, because God forbid, if I have to get into a DGU, I’m not going to shed one tear if the LEO’s have to take my gun into evidence. I just wander down to the LGS, plop down six pictures of that randy old codger Ben Franklin, point under the glass and say “I’ll take that one, thank you.” Five minutes later, problem solved.

      I can’t say that about any other firearm in the industry today.

  21. I have the same issue with Glock that I have with Joss Whedon; a lot of the fans of each are smarmy, sanctimonious pricks who’ll brook no criticism of their idol and refuse to hear the possible merits of anything else, but I can’t hold that against the object of their worship, now can I? I love my Glock, but the die-hard fandom leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

    Seriously, Glock guys: Shut up.

    • I don’t like Glocks but I like joss whedon. Rather some of his work anyways. So should I just shut up or talk through one side of my mouth?

    • It’s the same deal with Mac fanboys. I’ve been programming the Mac for longer than most of them have been breathing (like, since, oh, 1986) and yet when I offer constructive criticism of Apple’s engineering, I “don’t know my ass from a hole in the ground” according to the Apple fanboys.

      Hence my comparison to the Mac vs. PC wars.

  22. All of this attention paid to commenting on the case, and no one comments on the diatribe against the warning label?

    Apparently we all realize that writing something down makes it absolutely inviolate, like gun control laws.


  23. yeah, well, these warnings are the inevitable result of a litigious society. I have a warning on my ladder: do not operate over a sheet of ice. No kidding, putting up a ladder on a sheet of ice is a bad idea? Who’da thunk it. But, the waring is there because some knucklehead did exactly that, then sued, and settled. So now the ladder comes with a bunch of reminders of things that knuckleheads have done. Turns out, putting up a metal ladder in a thunder/lightning storm is a bad idea too. What’s interesting about that is that someone must have lived to tell about it.

  24. Orange cleaner followed by 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol and then some mineral oil if you need the case to shine……

  25. What find funny people who buy there guns than complain about gun case or gun box it comes as being cheap ugley. If you real bought your gun becuase it came from factory in pretty box or case you would be buying a glock in frist place. I remember time when Ruger and Smith and Wesson Colt all came in cheap cardbored box that all seem falling part right after put gun in them.

  26. A little Glock history is in order, perhaps to explain. The original plastic boxes (a box with separate lid)all Glocks came in had a center post that went through the trigger guard. It was designed to have the boxes stacked one on top of the other, with a rod passing through the center post and a lock on top for security in the armory. Guess what – if a loaded gun was forced into these old boxes, it would discharge ! What a surprise.

  27. RF, the master blogger that he is, knew very well what he was doing when he titled this post, “The Case Against Glock.”

    This thing is going to attract the Glock lovers and Glock haters.

    I will look forward to seeing how this dust up continues.

    Kudos, RF!

    • Yea, I too recognize the tactic for what it is. I might be a little churlish, but RF’s ploy comes off as a little cynical.

      I can’t get excited about Glocks in any manner or timeframe now. They’re just another piece of black molded cheez-whiz that takes loaded rounds and turns them into empty brass and noise. A striker-fired pistol made in Europe made from plastics. Whoooopie.

      People who get priapistic about molded cheez-whiz guns bore me. People who wax lyrical about the “workmanship” involved in making molded cheez-whiz guns annoy me, as they seem to not have a useful definition of the word “workmanship.”

      I own two Glocks. I’ve put well over 10K rounds through one (the 19) and a couple hundred through the 36. I regard them with the same fondness and attention that I lavish upon a D-handle garden shovel. They’ll never be collectable. The room for improvement by a gunsmith is almost naught, and there are better opportunities to polish a cow flop than to make a Glock a “nice gun.”

        • What they have there are parts you can use to replace the factory parts. It takes only a couple of minutes to do any of that. There is no “gunsmithing” involved anywhere in that. There’s a difference between an armorer (who changes parts), a gunsmith (who can make parts) and a gun maker (who can make entire guns).

          The talents of the latter two classes of people with gun expertise are wasted on Glocks.

        • Sorry, you aren’t getting off the hook. You flatly asserted the Glock can not be improved, or, as you put it: “there are better opportunities to polish a cow flop than to make a Glock a “nice gun.”

          That statement is a huge steaming pile of elephant poop.

          But since you fancy yourself as the “Dyspeptic Gunsmith” … have fun.


        • And improved how much?

          OK, so you think you’ve improved the trigger pull. Most of the people putting in aftermarket parts don’t even have a trigger scale (or other measurement instruments) to measure, what, if any, improvement they’ve made in the trigger pull. I found myself amused to show one such Glock Fanboy that their trigger pull actually increased when they dropped in the aftermarket parts – as measured on my trigger pull scale. They thought that they had decreased the pull. There’s a huge amount of psychological self-delusion among gun owners of all types about what “improves” a gun. Doesn’t matter whether we’re talking some yahoo putting in some aftermarket trigger into a Glock or someone who claims that they ‘need’ a release trigger on a $10K trap gun.

          Real improvement is objective and measured. Always is. Show me objective evidence of targets with tighter groups from all of these “improvements” to a Glock. I’ve tried a bunch of them (and, BTW, as a FFL holder, I often get a break on prices of these doo-dads, so I can try a bunch of them for less money than retail Fan Boys) and I don’t see consistent improvement in my groups. They don’t increase the safety or reliability of the Glock. On that score, the Glock is what it is: A relatively cheap and simple action that always goes “bang” when you pull the trigger. So unless you’re improving accuracy, you’re not improving on much in a Glock.

          Glock Fan Boys are endlessly amusing. It’s like a weaponized version of the Mac vs. PC wars.

      • Do you share the same “boredom” with the AR-15 platform? I ask because the Glock has perhaps the largest aftermarket parts availability of any pistol save the 1911. As a gunsmith, I can very well imagine that the Glock leaves much to be desired. It’s a simple platform that requires little effort to copy. As a real world carry piece, I don’t see any platform that is significantly better than Glock at the $500 price point.

        As a shooter, I love my Glock. I’d also love a 1911, but wouldn’t want to beat the snot out of a 1K plus .45. Plus, I can swap barrel, mags, recoil springs, striker, etc. with minimal effort. Ditto with a Mk 25 or similar platform.

        And I must say if your D handle shovel invokes the same level of passion as a thoroughly reliable 9mm handgun, than the shooting industry has left you more than a little jaded.

  28. I have a piece of crap Pheonix Arms .22 (Only because I got a wicked deal on it) that came with an easy to lock case. Which after figuring out how to operate the gun with it’s 3, yes 3, safeties, made me want to securely lock it away in its nifty little case and throw the keys down the closest sewer. I would have been happier with a better made gun and a brown paper bag.

  29. Aesthetics and Glock do not go hand in hand. Glocks are these ugly boxy things that are definitely utilitarian in its design.

  30. A better case would raise the price. I have proper transportation cases for my firearms. Let’s not add-on to the price so I can buy more Glocks when I want them.

  31. Regardless of Glock lovers or Glock haters, crying about a company putting legal disclaimers on their boxes that protect them when some clown does something stupid is hardly worth the time it took to write this reply.

  32. It took me 4 minutes to realize the title was a pun…it must be a Monday.

    Gun locks. I could decorate a X-mas tree with all the dang gun locks that have been in my boxes. Hmmm. Maybe I will at that 😀

    • Yes, they do. A great gun *and* a case worth putting it in. (Though my XDm compact spends most of its time in a holster…)

  33. I was amused by the pun and the article. Well done.

    I own one Glock. I may end up carrying it again this winter. The only things I really don’t like about Glocks (besides their ultra-loyal fanatic followers) are the factory sights and the grip angle. The sights I’ve fixed on mine courtesy Trijicon, the grip is what it is. I seem to be able these days to shoot well enough with it and then go back to my preferred grip angle in another firearm and be just fine.

  34. I agree. The labels and associated warnings are mandated by the suit-and-tie set. But all they are really doing is protecting themselves, not you. By slapping on a multicolored, graphic included sticker the size of a shoebox they can throw up their hands and say they went even farther than other gun manufacturers in product labeling.
    But I also agree with Paultmccain and Tyler. I don’t give a crap what it comes in. I take the pistol and mags out then shove the box in a closet to collect dust. In fact, if a gun is going to come in an awesome case with tactical looking pouches and custom embroidery I have to wonder how much of the price I’m paying goes toward the case that, supposedly according to Glock, I’m not supposed to use ever again!
    I know that’s BS, but if you’ve ever been to a range and seen the serious shooters wheeling around custom range bags then you’ll know that most of the original cases are sitting in a closet somewhere regardless of fanciness.
    Personally, I’d rather save the $70 cost of the tacticool accessory laden case and have them shove the gun and mags in a plastic shopping bag!

  35. Glock once sold real cases, with nice foam cutouts and even some that locked with integrated lock. You can find them on eBay. I believe they still sell optional Glock cases that are better than then what you get with the gun.

    Why they stopped? I have no idea.

    That said, some S&W revolvers once came in cardboard boxes that might as well have been shoe boxes.

    In CT there are some gun shops who put the lock on the gun before you are allowed to walk out of the store. There are plenty of youtube videos that show you how to defeat that lock without using a bolt cutter. Just a screw driver or paper clip is required

  36. I have never ever kept a gun in its original case (except a browning buckmark that came in a very nice red and black soft case) instead all the ugly, large, and ungainly plastic cases get stacked in a corner in my closet. The gun then gets a soft case, and goes into the safe, or a holster, or a quick opening smaller safe next to the bed. Only time the hard case EVER gets used again is when I dig it out if I decided to sell the gun.

    • My name is Bill and I hoard cheap gun containers. It’s been two weeks since my last container. Ever notice how those cases hang on and dig in? I’ll never use some/most of mine, nor will I use the taiwan built cable locks. But it’s very hard for me to get rid of anything gun-related even when it serves no useful purpose. I’ve got big tupperware tubs filled with little tupperware tubs filled with ziploc bags filled with tiny parts and fasteners and locks that will never see the light of day again.

  37. At least Glock doesn’t yet put a bunch of ugly and un-necessary safety warnings on the slide or frame.

  38. I thought the gen4 guns came with 3 magazines but there are only two in the picture with everything that was in the box. Did Glock change that or did RF’s dealer pull a mag thinking it wouldn’t be missed?

  39. Geez, Robert, if you’d bought an XD(*), you would have gotten a better case suitable for shipping in compliance with the federal safe harbor AND a safer firearm that won’t go ban if the trigger gets hung up on something. [I prefer the Springfield grip angle better too, but that is personal to each shooter.] GO CROATIA!

  40. I do not even waste my time with the cases that come with any firearm I buy because I own a gun safe
    and a few portable chain/bolt in the car safes for quick storage.

    The portable safes are also approved by the FAA for airline travel and more durable then a plastic
    shipping box.

  41. The only cases I use are the gun safe in my house and Pelican cases I use to transport them to the range.

    I wouldn’t care if the guns shipped in a brown paper bag so long as they make it to the gun counter for purchase.


  42. That’s obviously a gen 4 gun. All gen 4 guns ship with 3 mags.

    Where is your third mag? Didn’t get one? You got shafted.

  43. So, you’re upset about Glock packaging? I’ve got a better one . . . I just bought 50 DVD+R’s, from Target, made by SONY. It looked like they came in a hard inflexible plastic case but no the A**h**o**s just wrapped them in something that looked like a case, they are packed in the crap plastic you get when you buy a ream of computer paper.

    Now that’s upsetting, these F**k**g things are going to fall all over the place. Put 50 pennies in a vertical stack and see how long they stay in place!

  44. Who cares about the Tupperware? The warning labels are just CYA by Glock; especially in lawsuit happy America. I never use the boxes or cases my firearms come in; I only keep them if I decide the sell them in the future.

  45. HEY ROBERT! Go to the Glock web site and order a Glock safety case which has a pick proof lock at a very reasonable price. Entire article about a gun box? Slow news day? If you want pretty, there are plenty of other options, you want reliable, get a Glock. There’s an old song that says it well: “If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, Never make a pretty woman you wife”

  46. You should have gone with a Steyr M9-A1. Same size, capacity, reliability, and accuracy. Better ergonomics and sights.

  47. Glock makes that case in a lockable version. You can see the plastic slug in the spot where the lock would go.

    WD-40 takes most adhesives off most plastics. I bet it would work in this application.

  48. Hmmm, it looks like in addition to multiple back straps, this glock came with a couple of beaver tails? Is this a gen 4? They usually come with 3 mags, hard to tell from the photo if there is a mag in the gun. Enjoy!

    • Prior to him releasing he got a 19, I recently got one and sent him an email to get him to update his G19 G4 review. It does indeed come with a “medium” and “large” grip with beavertails. It does slightly alter the grip angle a bit, but it also makes it easier to index on the draw for me, so i rock a medium. I’ve still yet to put in the time to see which backstrap i shoot best. Still standard 3 mags as well.

  49. I look forward to Robert’s purchase of his first Accuracy International rifle. I’d probably learn a few new words as he describes what it’s like to get a $7k rifle in a cardboard box.

  50. if the only issue was the packaging then it sounds like a keeper.
    started with the 19 myself then traded in for the 17. gotta appreciate
    the 34 & 17L’s

  51. The original Glock tupperware boxes “caused” some negligent discharges. There was a post that went through the trigger guard that held the pistol in place. Obviously, you were supposed to clear the weapon, and according to Glock instructions, dry fire the weapon before storage. Some idiots didn’t, put the gun in the box with one in the chamber, and it would discharge when shook with 5.5lbs of force. The warning you referenced is basically a left-over from before they changed the box design.

  52. Seriously? …..ohhh I get it now. The “CASE” against Glock. Gotcha.

    I’m willing to bet the Caracal’s case and lock were much nicer. Look where that got ya 😉

  53. Like others have said, the easy job of rousting Glock owners and detractors to this page for views is kind of silly, especially when reading what the article is actually about. What i was hoping for when I clicked the link is a thoughtful article and accompanying discussion on how Glock is starting to creep downhill and the possible second thoughts Robert may have on his new carry piece. Because while Glocks are really fantastic and have that track record thing going for them, the honeymoon may be over.

    I say all this as a Glock fanboy (Gen 3 G34, over 5k flawless rounds), but they’re starting to get sloppy. Extractor and ejector problems with recent batches of Gen 3 and 4 models have tarnished the Glock’s golden reputation for reliability. The stupid switch to Gen 4 in the first place – whoever came up with that plan should have been trounced from their position immediately and then tarred and feathered. Reports of horrible customer service that fail to fix the problem at all. .And of course, there’s Gaston’s retarded ego preventing any real innovation or change. “Look, we redesigned our best-selling, innovative handgun to perform crappy with the Gen 4 release. we copied the M&P and did the backstrap thing, and we added a beavertail! lalalala I can’t hear you about a single stack slimline carry gun or that our ergos need tweaking lalalalalala”

    Instead, I get boxchat 😛 either way, enjoy your new heater RF and watch out for ejection problems.

    • If you should have one that ejects backwards instead of sideways, be thankful you don’t have a Glock 18. Getting beaned by 33 shells in 1.5 seconds would have you acting like Elmer Fudd!

    • I’ll insert my favorite tweek on Glock fanboys here:

      Moi: “OK I get that you like Glocks, but… do you believe that Glock ad slogan — ‘Perfection?’ ”

      FanBoy: “Yes, they’re the best, they’re absolutely reliable, they can survive anything, etc, etc.”

      Moi: “Soooo…. why did Herr Glock need to change anything? And, more to the point, why are you installing aftermarket parts into ‘perfection’? ”

      FanBoy: “F*^) you.”

      Moi: “Yes, I see. That clears up all of my confusion.”

      • I’ll install aftermarket parts into *perfection* because I realize the word for what it is: a marketing scheme. Polygonal rifling isn’t perfect, the dual recoil spring isn’t perfect, the short mags that come with the 26/27 aren’t perfect, the non-Trijicon sights aren’t perfect, the mag release isn’t perfect, etc. I can however, easily modify the thing just like I can easily modify my ARs.

        “Hideous, but damn reliable,” probably got shot down as a marketing slogan. Pardon the pun.

  54. I’ve owned my Gen1 since 1991 (or so). I still have the Blk Plstic Bx in a closet, it’s a shipping container, not part of the firearm.
    I won’t brag about the # of rounds through my G-19 but I will say I have carry it in extreme weather conditions on a regular basis. I have fired numerous rounds of surplus and imported commodity grade ammo, a slew of after market parts, and am still waiting on my first extraction/ejection failure
    So to Bobby I can only offer; “Would you like some cheese with that Whine?”

  55. After Obama talked me into buying my first Glock last winter–a 30SF–one of the first things I did was remove the stupid sticker on the case.

  56. Like you Robert, I went from a Caracal C to a Glock 19. I miss the C’s trigger but the 19 isn’t that much worse. I agree about the stupid warning label but I don’t use the box either. Mine go to the range in a black nylon bag with a JP Morgan logo. I don’t advertise transporting in NJ.

  57. I’ve never owned a Glock, but as I understand it, the take down procedure is the same as my seldom used Taurus PT709, in which you must first dry fire the weapon before you can take it down. That seems just plain stooopid to me. I realize that you should always triple check the status of your chamber, but it still seems like a set up for an ND.

    Soon as the cooler weather comes I’m thinking I’ll switch to my Ruger Blackhawk .44 magnum with a 6-1/2 inch barrel. I found out that my Uncle Mike’s shoulder holster I bought for my Beretta 92 fits it nicely. Hey, if you’re going to go, you might as well go BIG!

  58. packaging is in the bottom of the closet somewhere, lock is wrapped around a gate, can’t tell you where the instruction manual is…..

  59. My understanding is that a lot of this pointless legalize comes as a result of lawsuit settlements. They agree as part of the settlement to include a particular disclaimer, or to defile the gun with a warning engraved on the slide, and since the settlement is only binding upon them no one else in the industry has to do it.

  60. waaaaaahhhh waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh! what a bunch of fanboy whiners we all can be. Robert makes a great point about a simple addition to a plastic case. its not like it will break GLOCKS bank to include a lock option on their case. i use my xd and xds case all the time for securing the firearms. if is a tottaly viable option in the absense of a safe. of course my xds is back with springfield for thd recall sooooo……

  61. that “bendy lock” is to lock the pistol itself…{lock slide back and run it from ejection port to magwell) not there to lock the case….

  62. Wait, there’s a Glock brand Glock beaver tail backstrap for Gen 4s? Damn, I have to get me one, maybe I’ll shoot my 23 more. At least I learned something new.

  63. Ya, I have all the cases my guns came in…somewhere….although, it’s been quite a while since I’ve actually seen any of them. The plastic POS is a retail shipping container. It’s not supposed to be a secure gun case, it’s supposed to be a disposable gun case. Hmmm, external hinges….?

  64. There is a Glock case that has a built-in lock that uses a strange key with dimples in it, but alas it costs extra.

    That said I prefer Sig’s ultra obnoxious bright blue cases. It screams I have a better gun than you at all the non-sig owning plebeians. /sarcasm

    I know back when I lived in a socialist republic I had to lock my weapons en route to the range and that is what drove me to buy the lockable Glock case, but now I just keep stuff in unlocked but secure containers in the trunk with my carry gun handy and that’s my theft deterrent.

  65. Lock the clasping side of the case, it’s still easy to drift the hinge pins out and open it that way. Pistol cases are NOT secure containers from ANY manufacturer.

  66. I’m in the middle of reading Glock: the Rise of America’s Gun. The lack of frills is almost a point of pride to the company and at least one warning, “Do not place a loaded pistol in this container. An unattended loaded weapon can cause injury or death to yourself or another!”, is directly related to LEOs placing still loaded guns in the old “tupperware” containers that Glock used to come in (, resulting in several negligent discharges.

  67. Food for thought guys and gals,
    I’ve been collecting and shooting for years. Most of the time the box your pistol came in I consider a shipping container nothing more. I’ve several pistols which came in presentation cases which I usually store the guns in but never take them with me to the range or out traveling. I have several Zero hard cases and a bunch of the MTM hard boxes for transport of my pistols. I’m not a Glock fan but the shipping case is nice is a bit flimsy. I would not transport my firearm in that case for said reason. I suspect very few Glock’s will ever become collector’s items but just in case I would leave the box alone. Years back I bought a High Standard box from a gun shop in NM $10, nice hardwood box just used it to store my HD. Year later I was given $225 for that box by a guy in Tucson because it was a factory box his Sharpshooter came in and it doubled the value of his gun. If you have the original cardboard box the original AR-15 colts came in the value of your Colt goes up by 30% (go figure). I now keep all my boxes, shipping containers

  68. Funny thing is that GLOCK does make a case that locks with that funny key they make for the pistols with the internal lock. You can separately order a case with that lock, and I think you can even get a GLOCK pistol with the internal lock and case keyed to the same key. Why they don’t make such a locking case as standard in the USA, I don’t know.

  69. Good point… I happen to like the cases that my S&W pistols have come with over the years. I haven’t purchased a new handgun from another manufacturer ever… but I’ve had a lot of used ones that came with aftermarket cases or no cases at all. That said, at one point I might pick up a pelican case large enough to transport my fave 4 pack to the range. Or I’ll just keep buying ammo. Yeah, I’ll just keep buying ammo.

  70. In every poly pistol video that compares the gun being reviewed to a Glock 17 (or 19), they compare every single feature and dimension EXCEPT ONE: the back strap. Why? Because the Glock does not have one.

    Every gun that is allegedly like the Glock has more space between the back of your hand and the back of the slide than the Glock. Every one except those that are spot-on knock-offs of it. They also hype the “low bore axis” of the Glock which is code for “Don’t get your thumbs anywhere near the low-riding slide.”

    Having been slided,, diced, and chopped by the Glock, I’ve decided to rename it, the “Glockodile.” I used to call it the “Block” because it felt like one to hold. The Glockodile is the only .40S&W handgun that will bite the back of my hand shooting one-handed no matter where my hand was on the grip. The slide had all the subtleties of a back hoe.

    So many video reviewers wear gloves when they shoot guns that it makes me wonder if they expect you to put gloves on in a defensive shooting scenario? With a Glock, wearing gloves is a matter of self-preservation. It’s back strap is the antithesis of the 1911’s Beavertail.

  71. And now…

    The case against Smith & Wesson

    The late Steve Jobs (PBUH) was a packaging obsessive. He believed the customer experience began with a thoughtful wrapper.

    I have a S&W Model 41 which is a collectible classic and cost plenty but came in packaging that was crappy and cost S&W roughly nothing. It also came with a crappy little lock that screams “cheap and nasty”.

    I felt on the day I got it it was a poor show by S&W, even if the box just joins another pile of boxes in the closet. How much extra does it cost to do something properly?

  72. Uhm… The cable isn’t meant to lock the box. The box isn’t a safe.

    The manual even tells the owner how to use the lock, but then I don’t suppose that you read it?

    Page 43 reads:

    “Your GLOCK pistol comes standard (USA and Canada) with a cable lock (Picture 63). The cable must be installed on an unloaded pistol with the slide open (rearward position). The cable must be placed through the ejection port and out of the magazine well. Inset the end of the cable into the lock and make sure it is locked into place.”

    I generally remove the slide entirely and run the cable through the magazine port.

    Yes, with good pliers, wire-cutters, cable cutters – or even with a KABAR and some effort – the cable can be removed. But then, a safe could be opened as well. The idea is to remove your liability when some one is stupid enough to steal and/or use your weapon, on themselves and/or and others.

  73. For God’s sake, reading this is a waste of time. Put the weapon in your safe or buy a gun case. Title of the article is misleading…were you desperate to produce something to meet your dealine? Far more important is the gun IN the case.

    If this is all you have to worry about send me an email and I will share some of mine with you.

  74. What I can say: The Glock cases are fully legal – and used for – carrying the unloaded gun on the street in Austria. There is no legal difference between a locked and “just closed” case here. Locks on gun cases are not common here in Austria, as every closed compartment is OK.
    Hey – if you want to break open the cheap Glock case, wouldn´t it just take seconds to Bypass a lock on it?

    At least we don´t have this sticker on Glock cases – seems to be just for the US market (?!?).
    Anyhow, I would place the gun in something NOT stating what is in it, I find it stupid that a large “GLOCK” is written on the case – but there is also a HUGE “Smith & Wesson Performance Center” on the bag of my 460XVR – and neighbours already asked me “Do you really have a gun in there”?

    You don´t have a chance to get a carry licence over here – not open nor concealed – but we´re allowed to place the unloaded gun into a plastic bag and run around with it.
    Stupid, huh? 😉

  75. My M20 hunter 6″ with tritium sight and silencer is 5lbs tigger and 15round 180gr gold dots loads 1350fps VV105 powder is totally outstandin stopper if needed and I could handle the recoil preytty well. I polished the feeding ramp myself. Never stoppages using also 180XTP with 1300fps VV 3N37 maximum range 160jrd 150m for metal plates Grd5 Ti 5mm and also paper targets. My ex firm made brinell 12lead in and plated 0.12 mm pure copper weight 180gr and 200gr bullets. Those were cheap and wery accuraty even 200m 210jrd maximum loads. I used Win cases and also PMC madewichswere the good quality ones also. My hardened lead antmony tin silver 170 gr SWC 1200fps were brinell 25 to 27 and were good ones even semi polygonal rifled Glock and the M20 loads very well. The 135gr Nosler JHP could be so fast that energy transfer is like Glaser and only MagnSafe Agent ammo made for now absolette NIJ 2A 04 penetratio purpose. 2 mach velocity or even more is the big winner when the indoor or summer situation happebed for self defence ageinst PCP or similar drud user who could be extreme violent and hard to stop. 10mm won the FBI tests defender load from MagnSafe 4.5second incapation time. For police swat or similar units 165gr Gold en Saber 1450fps works very well and the famous Triton quik shok 165gr is the number ONE general purpose load. For silencer 200gr JHP or 200XTP 950fp. Same for hunting now factory load wich give 1350fps from 4.6 :M20 4.generations buffered and the grip could be be bette rone for some users with tritium sight and milder recoil. Silencers I have made myself for sample Titanium with aluminium for 223 rem M16 A2 and AR18 semi auto models and it worked better than the factory made quite good one. Here in Europe they want to take all guns away for sport shooters and hunters even any possible reasons because EU orders. It is just very sad because our country has 1200km border with Russia and our army based every men and some women served age 18 to 29 6 to 12 months. NATO is the big queston but I could not make the important NATO or not order. I think we are in it abaut 5 years. Our army use M17 Glock nowdays because P226 is too ex expensive pistol but 10mm P220 became in this year USA markets. It is the as good ten millimeter as M20 is. The capacity is only 8rds vs 15rds. M20 is the very tough gun and underestimated cartri+ + dge until now. This is only my opinion and I have had also M17 and M21 wichs was the test pistol our bullets factory. VV N110 with 185 XTP it gave 867jouls abaut 700foot pounds + P + loads. The case orders how much plastik frame could get the hot velocity loads. If it brokes the polymer / plastik frame even exploed like one SOCOM destroyed by person who did not listan my warnings. The overpressure was huge with 4400bars with non + P or much better 45super cases. Also 45win magnun or 308win 243win 3006 and new 260remington wichs is the mild recoil and at least 24″ to 26″ 1: 7 to 1:10 twist rifles with 142SMK 0.595, 139SCENAR 0.619 Lapua very good Sniper series 144FMJBT 0.636 wichs unfortunately is history very soon and some Berger OBT like ex 140VLD 0.627 with Clinchs Rivers 147OBT 0.625 could safely load RL15 and VV N560 or Norma MRP ( RP15) fore example 2900fps to even 3050fps and it goes 1500jrd super sonic velocity and is very accuraty round. Like Lapua 6.5x47mm wichs is the M40 A3-A5 marines cartridge for military service. All those cases could carefully work make the +P + Max! Only SOCOM M23 H&K cases and 1400jouls 1100foot pound energy N105 185 XTP but 45super 1300fps 185JHP 5″ is magnum cartridge for STI Excalibur. It is made for that purpose and is safely. Some have changed 24 Lbs recoil spring M21 wich has originally factory 17lbs spring. And they shot 45super factory load. The slide is 45 grams lighter than M20 and hunter 6 “brings more weight too. I know that M17 has shot PF180 with 123FMJ RN and 8.5gr HS6 29-29:5mm loading lenght 1994 IPSC competiton but it was totally unsafe 1450fps was 357mag full power energy 4” Federal 125gr JHP load is same leveä! ! But the Glock is the strong pistol M17 and M20 are the best. M21 +P rated and the rest ones like M22 M23 etc Not tested. 40SW full powder is PF190 – 200. M23 is same weight than M19 9mm compact. FBI changed it and M22 40SW reduced velocity PF165 load because for recoil. It was weaker than ex P226 ‘ 115JHP + P + or similar with 147gr hydra shocks. Only efektive sudsonic load at this time according FBI HRT the best SWAT team in the USA police forces. Now 1911 Custom 45ACP. The reasons arent my need to know. Best recards for everyone! ! Paul PS Sorry my poor english. I am only people like others.

  76. A Gucci case means more money must be passed on to the consumer. By keeping it simple, glock can keep the price down. Heck, the new XD cases prob add $30-$50 to the price. Have you bought a S&W lately? I love that it is a simple cardboard box. I have a couple quality hard sided cases for protective travel and a range bag that has padded zipper pouches for individual handguns. I’ll take the reduced cost from a gun coming in a simple cardboard case any day of the week.

    • GLOCK cases are not Gucci cases. They are about 75¢ worth of plastic that is nowhere near being a complex part to create. These cases cost GLOCK about a total of $5 each, tops, and that price might get lower with the more units they make to cover the sunk cost of the molds.

  77. My fancy shmancy Springfield XDS case does nothing for me now 1 year into the purchase. It was a nice selling point but I’d have appreciated $10 off the purchase more looking back. However the FNP 45 Soft case I do appreciate. It’s a little classier and can be used for other things too.

  78. Today was my first time to shoot a Glock 9mm. The last time I shot a 9 mm was in the 70s, back when you had to stuff powder, wad and bullet down the barrel. The Glock surprised me. I also shot a Sig 9 mm, liked it better. I really do not care how it is packaged. (My first civilian firearm(s) were revolvers, .38 spl + P, and a High Standard Double 9 in the mid 60s after service.) Back then we really saw no need of self defense specific firearms. At horse races everybody in the big money carried .22 revolvers in their waist bands. At home a .22 revolver at most, other than the sporting shotgun/rifle. As kids, we damn well knew better than to mess with the firearms. Our parents issued them as our responsibilities progressed. “Yea, tho I walk down the valley of death, I shall fear no evil, because death has no idea what I am carrying”.

  79. Glock owners need to wake up. Thier beloved Block on a Stick is destined for the dustbin of history. Glock is not a gun. It’s a Cuisinart shaped like a gun. Glock owners – including cops and SWAT team members are finally admitting they are tired of being sliced and diced by the low bore-ing slide that will get you no matter how you hold it.

    Oh, it’s wonderful to finally hear how bloody awful it is to fire a Glock.

    A $279 Walther PPX from CDNN Sports will outshoot any $500-$600 Glock any day of the week, and all without needing a first-aid kit on hand.

    • I have been shooting 7 models of Glocks for over 20 years with nary a scratch. Never heard of the complaint, either, from any of my fellow Glock shooters and I have known hundreds from shooting IDPA and Glock matches. Try shooting Walthers PPK – notorious for leaving “tracks.”

      I will keep my tactical Tupperware, thank you. It does one thing better than any other handgun made – when you point it and pull the trigger it goes BANG every time. (I will look at the Walthers, however, always need more toys).

      BTW a low bore is advantageous in controlling recoil – been shooting long? 🙂

  80. My Gock case is a wonderful place to keep cleaning supplies, spare mags, etc…

    OTOH one of my acquaintances was a Glock lawyer back when the Anti crowd was trying to get the courts to open up manufacturers as liable for things done by criminals…

    One of the perks of the job was a G17 of his own. All the team got them so they could have personal knowledge of the Glock “Safe Action”

    That label is insurance against having to set ANOTHER precedent in the courts.

    We ALL owe Glock kudos for winning the case that has kept other manufacturers from being held accountable for misuse of their weapons.

  81. As a former military “brat” who moved and went to 11 different schools before high school graduation all over the USA and 2 foreign countries, packaging and boxes take on a different meaning and value. It’s good to keep and reuse all of your boxes, containers and cases for as many things as possible so you can pick up and move quickly and protect some of your more important and possibly fragile possessions and tools etc. Even the so called “crappy” Glock case is better than nothing for protecting and identifying an important tool or possession. Even if it’s not perfect, it’s better than nothing or an ordinary cardboard box.

    For instance your stereo or electronic components and computers etc. They’re safer and more protected in their original boxes with their foam inserts that hold the component away from the sides and help to prevent jolts or shocks from damaging delicate equipment. Packing things in some of their original packaging also helps identifying things when you arrive and want to settle in quickly without having to go through numerous boxes that all look the same. Also you save money by not having to buy more packaging material every time you move. And it can be quicker if you have to pick up and “bug out” to just grab some things if you know what they are just by their container, box or case.

    Also a recent video I saw on YouTube about trading in or sell some of your guns said that you’ll get more money for your weapons if they’re in the original boxes, cases or containers with all of their packaging, manuals, papers and original goodies.

  82. I have owned both a Glock G17 and Sig P320s. Honestly I sold the G17 to buy the second P320, which I liked better. The glock case I received was not what I had expected in the least. Especially given Glock’s championing the safety of their products.

    Sig Sauer case on the other hand has two locking holes on the left and right sides of the opening sliders. And these are not small danty holes either. I can and have gotten a nice beefy padlock through without feeling as if completing a herculean task. That said, I also like how my P320s were both well padded and protected in a logical fashion. The Glock was honestly kinda thrown in there for my tastes with a bunch of junk.

    On a different note, I dislike glocks for the reason of takedown. I swear who had the brilliant idea that pulling the trigger, pulling the slide back and somehow pushing two small tabs down was a good idea! My Sigs are simple, safe and easy to takedown. I can literally takedown and strip my P320 in 5-seconds.

  83. “Do not place a loaded pistol in this container. An unattended loaded weapon can cause injury or death to yourself or another!”

    this is probably leftover from the days back when a glock used to be held in by the trigger, and putting a loaded glock in the case would result in a ND every time. Since the ease of training is what drew LE to the glock in the first place, and they ‘trained’ for about 5 minutes, this case design caused many police(and civilian too) injuries, glock wised up and changed the case. They are probably still lawsuit shy enough to keep this warning on the label since those bad ole days.
    Yet another reason not to buy a glock.

    • Ken:

      You would ignore the superior design and function, reliability , ease of take down and maintenance, and unparalled history of the Glock because of a shipping case? It’s the first thing I throw away on nearly all my pistols. Not sure if some one of your flawed reasoning ability should be allowed firearms.

      BTW, law enforcement officers receive more than 15 minutes of firearm training and the Glock was initially selected due to it’s simplicity, reliability and increased firepower over the revolver. My friend, who is on the U.S. Marshal Fugitive team and is the “first person through the door” carries two Glocks to protect himself and save his life, if necessary. If he trust them, that’s good enough for me. I don’t think the case mattered to him a bit.

      Sure you are not just a “hater?”

      • Certainly I’m sure I’m no glock hater. Are YOU certain that you aren’t just a glock lover, willing to overlook all of its many faults, simply because you are in love with it?
        Go back and REread and you might notice that I said: “Yet another reason not to buy a glock.”. The words YET ANOTHER mean that is just ONE of the reasons. The biggest is the increase in NDs that happen to any striker fired pistols more often than other designs.
        The only reason for the glock when it came out was that LE wanted the large capacity of autoloaders but didn’t want to pay for all the training that would be needed to transition from double action revolvers. So glock made a semi auto that had no manual safety, thus cutting the training time. When LE went with it, the public just followed where they were led.
        The problem with this philosophy is that very few LEOs are gun enthusiasts. They won’t put in any time to study or practice other than the minimum required by the policies. This, plus the larger capacity, leads to sloppy shooting, which is the last thing LE should aim for. They should aim for the best marksmanship possible, so as to minimize civilian casualties. Don’t you think there is a REASON why so many police just start spraying bullets all over these days, ( ) like they never used to BEFORE the glock? Its not an accident that these two things coincide.
        Why do you think it might be that shooters always shoot a single shot better than other types of actions? Its because they know that there is no follow up shot available, so they better place the first one correctly, the first time around. Its why police were much better shots when they had only 6 shot revolvers. Its psychological. The less rounds available, the more careful the shooter will be, and the more available the more careless he will be. Even though he might not even know he’s doing it. This is on a sub-conscience level. It works even on me, who is fully aware of it. I have a dozen 22RF rifles, but I can only hit clay pigeons at 100 yards with one of them, my son’s cricket single shot….. Paper them at 25 yards and it’s not the most accurate one I have, but it is when you actually start shooting practically.
        This is the BIGGEST reason not to have a glock. There are others still….

        • Ken:

          It is plain that objectivity and reason is not in your lexicon (look it up). Yes, I am a Glock lover because, in my considered opinion, NOTHING ELSE compares. After shooting handguns for over 50 years – both revolvers and pistols- and carrying for defense for over 35 years I think I am entitled to an opinion. If you don’t like Glocks -fine, don’t buy them. And, yes, I think Glocks are more reliable than revolvers – I have had broken firing pins, bend ejector rods, bound cylinders and broken springs. I still carry revolvers, as the circumstances demand, but I feel better protected with 15 rounds in my G-19.

          Your logic on why Glocks were invented does not hold water – they started our as a military arm, not a police weapon and they were adopted for many reasons, not just high capacity and “spray and pray” As far as friendly fire shooting I am sure they happened in the good, old revolver days, the good old cap and ball days as well as the good old flintlock-wheellock days. BTW, many departments use other high capacity semi-autos than Glock – why no venom for them? Also, I have NEVER seen anyone else espouse the theory that police departments bought Glocks so they would not have to train their officers to shoot. That would be ludicris – imagine the lawsuits from such a policy. That’s farfetched thinking for even an anti-Glock man. Thanks for the lesson in firepower. When I was in the military the term meant putting more shots on the enemy than you were taking. And, please let me know how the rhino handgun hunt money is on the one with the horn – regardless of how much “firepower” or BS you send down range. “Samuel Colt invented the modern handgun, John Browning improved it, and Gaston Glock perfected it.” END OF STORY

          • Thanks for making it so obvious that you could care less about logic, reason, or sanity, because you are in love and just defending your weaker half.
            Just FYI all my points were based upon this strange new thing you had to look up, called logic. It means that one has reasons for things, like LOVE, rather than just ‘feel’ it. Whether you ‘feel’ like your glock is as reliable and simple as a revolver, it is NOT! Full stop.

      • I forgot to address one other issue with your post. You said: “Glock was initially selected due to it’s simplicity, reliability and increased firepower over the revolver.”
        Do you ACTUALLY believe that a glock is simpler and more reliable than a double action revolver? I don’t think anyone who’s ever had a revolver could possibly believe that. Revolvers are FAR AND AWAY simpler and more reliable than any semiauto INCLUDING a glock. The ONLY issue that led LE to the glock was its capacity, or increased firepower, as you put it. A good case could also be made that revolvers actually have MORE firepower, even with less capacity.
        HOW? Easy, we simply measure “firepower” in foot pounds of energy instead of rounds in the magazine. By this measure a 500 S&W revolver has more ‘firepower’ than a glock. A doubletap 325 grain has just over 3000 FtLbs of muzzle energy. Times 5 rounds that’s 15000 FtLbs. The highest 9mm load I can find is doubletap bonded defense 124 grain at 473 FtLbs, which times 17 rounds equals 8041 FtLbs of ME. Only half of what’s in the 500.
        Now don’t make the mistake of thinking I’m advocating the 500 for defensive carry. I’m only pointing out that ‘firepower’ is a non specific term that could mean many different things to different people, whereas “magazine capacity” is the proper term. I might also point out that my use of both double and single quotes here is no accident. When I use this; “, it means I’m quoting, and when I use this; ‘, it means that I’m calling attention to something that can easily be misunderstood. I try very hard to be clear, but still I get misunderstood regularly. So I’m making a strong effort to be very clear here.
        The point is: If I’m going handgun hunting for a rhino, firepower means energy and/or penetration. If I’m defending myself against multiple attackers NOW it does mean capacity.

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