“Two deadly shootings have been reported in two Jewish-related locations near Kansas City, jupdates.com reports. “The first shooting was reported at around 1:00p.m. at the Jewish Community Center in Overland Park, Kansas. Overland Park. Police confirmed multiple shots were fired at the center, which is located at 5801 W 115th St. . . . A second shooting was reported at Village Shalom, which is an assisted living center at 5500 West 123rd St. Worried relatives of residents tell KCTV5 that Village Shalom has been placed on lockdown. The suspects are in custody and there have been two fatalities, one at each location.” UPDATE: According to kansascity.com, there are now three fatalities in the two shootings and police have arrested one unidentified male suspect (above) . . .
The gunfire at the west side of the Jewish Community Center came as hundreds of high school singers from across the metro area were expected to audition for the KC SuperStar contest and actors were rehearsing for a production of “To Kill a Mockingbird.”
“There were tons of kids because this was about to start at 1 o’clock,” said Ruth Bigus, the publicist for KC SuperStar.
More as it becomes available.
I think it’s funny antis and progressives are in an uproar about arming teachers (omg, how horrible), when we’ve had a military and police for hundreds of years whose sole purpose is to defend the sheep from the wolves — and yes, that often means killing many wolves.
I don’t see where their argument against armed teachers is coming from. If you believe teachers and students should not be allowed to defend themselves and should be taught to stay put and hide, then you’re saying the same applies to everyone, right? Isn’t that the logical conclusion? They want everyone to rely on the police, who are 30 minutes (or more) away.
They call themselves progressives, but I see nothing progressive about their sheeple way of thinking. The problem is simple, the police aren’t omnipresent. That isn’t a knock on the police, that’s just reality.
So, there’s the problem. The police aren’t around when crazy people decide to hurt innocents. So that takes them out of the equation. All you are left with are innocent people and a crazy person that wants to do them harm.
That’s the scenario. So, now it’s time for solutions. It’s you and a crazy murderer and no police to help. What is your solution, Progressive person?
Stay put and hide? What if you can’t retreat? Lay down and die?
Well, by all means, lead by example. And tell all the families with dead children that laying down and waiting to die was your idea.
Sad times we live in when that “solution” is even entertained, much less adopted.
May their memories be for a blessing and may their deaths be avenged.
I think it’s high time we start to edit out the word “shooter” and “shooting” when it comes to sensationalist headlines for “mass shootings”, etc. They are mass murders and violent crimes, nothing more, nothing less.
They always employ some gun-related buzz word to demonize the tool, and not the crazy person that is doing the evil deeds.
The progressives are so self-delusional when it comes to their utopian view of humanity that they will do anything to blame in-animate objects rather than accept the fact that a decent percentage of our population are just bad apples that should be put down. And really, this has been going on since humanity has been on the planet, they just refuse to acknowledge it.
Hence the whole push for “no child left behind”, “everyone is a winner”, there are no more “bad grades” or “failure” in our education system. What a joke. It’s no wonder all these self-entitled progressives are sprouting up with delusional views of reality given that their entire upbringing is centered around the fact that “you are a special snowflake”.
God forbid some people are just dumb or misinformed and no one told them otherwise or corrected them…
Too f**king right! I’ve had that experience days ago. We had almost the same discussion. My now-not-so-much-of-a-friend actually claimed that he’d rather no-one had the right to self-defence than criminals died. My response: a strangled half-scream. After we talked some more, he actually grabbed me by the neck in anger with my cold logic. He conceded my point once I slammed his face into the desk we were at and told him that that was self defence.
People died. Prayers for their family.
Yes.
This is in my neck of the woods (KC Metro). Prayers for the victims.
Can you fill us in on the local laws on CCW in that town / building? Is it a “gun free zone”?
I was just a few miles away from this at a park when this happened. That’ll rattle you.
Why aren’t there all of these prayers for the victims when this happens daily in Chicago? All there are then are racist jokes.
Because it’s usually thug on thug. But you’re right, even thugs’ families deserve prayers.
I’m not talking about thug’s families; I don’t care about them. I’m talking about innocent victims.
They get condolences and prayers when they are reported here.
Write a letter about that to the editors of the Chicago papers. Watch their reaction.
Hate crimes tend to get special attention.
I’m sure the antis will blame the new state preemption law that makes overland park stop creating bad local laws. I think I drive by Village Shalom when I head to the Russian store. It’s too bad we have idiots who wish to do evil to others, most likely because they were Jewish.
According to TTAG commenters, there’s no such thing as racism any more.
No, they just don’t have a bizarre need to see it everywhere.
Bizarre, like when every black person is called “Trayvon” or “Obama” or “nigger” on TTAG? You’re right, that’s my imagination.
Except not only does that not happen, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that you won’t ever be able to point out any example of when it did.
Go ahead and search if you like. The site’s search engine is enhanced by Google, after all. But I’m not holding my breath. You won’t find such garbage here because it simply isn’t here at all — and you know it.
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Daz, the polite way to show you aren’t a troll is to provide a link to the thread where such assertions were made.
Don’t expect anything of the sort. He knows for a fact there isn’t any such garbage here and he also knows for a fact that he won’t find it.
If anything, it’ll be potato-quality, badly Photoshopped hack-jobs posted to a common image uploader.
[crickets]
I can’t help wondering what sort of total loser a person must be to feel the need to blame some particular ethnic or religious group for their own failures in life.
No one should ever be forced to be helpless in the face of such evil.
Similar to how many here blame “liberals” and Obama for everything that goes wrong.
Aside from that being patently false, at least Obama is the current President. Obama himself, however, has a very nasty and tired habit of blaming everything on Bush. Again, still, as they say.
In addition to what Jonathan here said, Ovomit did as a matter of undeniable fact also continue absolutely all of the bad habits of all his predecessors — things that he did pinky-promise us that he wouldn’t do.
Lo and behold, here we are 8 years later with a President who is exactly the same as literally everybody else who ever came before him: pompous, petulant, arrogant, ignorant, irresponsible, inept, negligent, and supremely naive.
And the beat goes on.
Unless you consider Liberals or the individual known as Obama to be ethnic or religious groups (don’t get me started on the people who think Obama is the Messiah), your comment does not work. People do not have a choice when they are born into ethnic groups and often have little choice as to the religion they are indoctrinated in. That is a far cry from the political philosophy that individuals choose to promote or a single individual who can be seen to work for historically failed political philosophies and against the concepts in The Constitution of the United States of America.
Anyone can be challenged for their reasoning and action in groups they choose to join and support. No one can be faulted for the family/group they are born into. One is a choice, the other is a random act of fate.
Judge a person by the content of their character, not the color of their skin. (Or the ethnic group they are born into.)
So, were these venues gun-free zones?
In any event, condolences.
Sucks. Condolences.
Baruch dayan emes.
RIP
Gun Free Zone accordion to the crowd sourced app I use to find out these things. One is an assisted living center.
One is an assisted living center.
And THAT is especially despicable.
A member of the Center/club knows the shooter. He said the shooter was a member of the club also.
This is bad. I hope it is not a “gun free zone” but hopefully Americans will awaken soon enough, that having a gun is a deterrent to crime or at least continuation of crime. Whether it is the mentally unsound, criminals, or Muslim jihadists, arms are needed.
I thought Woody Allen was bad enough, this sure takes “self-hating Jew” to another level.
What news source is stating that the shooter was a member of the center?
I’ve been told that the club has a lot of non-Jewish members.
Heartfelt sympathy to these families. I’m hope they have the person/persons responsible in custody and justice will be served.
Thoughts and prayers with the victims and their families. Just goes to show you evil comes in all kinds of flavors.
I’m at work, so I’m not getting the greatest news on this….moreso than usual, I mean. There’s rumblings of this being a skinhead-related attack. Is there anything to that? Or is that just internets gonna internet type info?
The shooter has been described by police as a 70 plus year old white male who is a reputed member, or former member, of the KKK
Next up, people on here ignorant of political ideology claiming the KKK were leftists.
That’s because they always were and still are leftists. They are no different from the rabid fascists, who are also exclusively and inextricably leftists, who have committed genocides throughout the 20th Century — every last one of them preceded by gun control.
http://youtu.be/ODJfwa9XKZQ
http://youtu.be/NN0vkSO9n8Y
Shown above, a person ignorant of political positions.
Sad day. Hang him.
I just read an update: two of the victims were members of a Methodist Church shot in the parking lot. Duh, sorry I forgot the news site I read that at. I think it’s in the above link.
Thanks for posting the picture. Heard on TV it was a white male with a beard and was afraid I’d done something stupid! Ah, relief!
Dang, I was at my son’s soccer game not 2 miles from there when that happened. Scary stuff, I hope he rots in hell.
I’m glad my wife didn’t decide she wanted to go to the mall today.
In the 80s when I worked as a security officer one of my assignments was to protect, along with other officers, a jewish temple that had been vandalised and recieved threats.
I don’t have the background or education to explain it, but a lot of the members of the temple appeared to be fearfull of the uniformed staff there to protect them. Maybe generations of persocution had given the jewish community a natural dislike of armed, uniformed men. At any rate there was evident fear and distrust of us.
The local pd on the other hand were very happy to have the extra manpower on hand. During the event 1 officer was there at all times and patrol units came thru pretty regular.
This was the same town where at a different site I got shot at for what, so far, has been the last time in my life. Hope it stays that way.
“Nothing in life is so exhilarating as to be shot at without result.”
Winston Churchill
I think riding on the back of a killer whale along with Raquel Welch while in her prime would be more exhilarating.
Do you know for a fact that Roseanne was a plump child at the time?
Churchill was a weird twit.
A fine quote from a fine book. I recommend it: http://www.amazon.com/Early-Life-1874-1904-Winston-Churchill/dp/0684823454/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397443982&sr=1-1&keywords=my+early+life+churchill
By the time Churchill was 26, he had fought in several wars, including one of Britain’s last cavalry charges (in Egypt) and with a sword against frontier warriors (in India); been imprisoned while reporting on the Boer War; escaped from prison; and – my own favorite accomplishments – learned to appreciate scotch while reading Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire (also while in India).
Getting married and entering Parliament, which he describes at the end of the book, seem almost boring by comparison.
Nazis and Communists (and Socialists too, who are, after all, Commies who have not yet picked up their AK-47s) are pretty much identical except for one key characteristic.
They are both collectivist totalitarians who seek to subjugate individuals for some sort of Utopian “greater good” and are both perfectly willing to exterminate those they deem “undesirable.”
Here is that one key difference – how Nazis and Communists define “undesirables.”
For Nazis, if you were a member of the officially designated “inferior groups,” then it didn’t matter how much you politically agreed with them. You could be totally on board with every single “Reich, Volk, Deutschland” social program, nationalizing private businesses, giving children totally to the state for indoctrination, ever more governmental control, but if you were Jewish, the Nazis would kill you.
For Communists, you could be the most ethnically pure Russian, or most ethnically pure Cambodia, or Cuban or North Korean, but if you whistled a counter-revolutionary song, or owned too much private property, or publically said that Dear Leader might have a screw or two loose, or wore glasses so you could read, showing that you would not be content to become a rural agrarian in the new reality in Year Zero, then the Commies would happily kill you.
About the only real difference between Nazis and Communists is how they define undesirables. In behavior, in methodology, in basic underlying goals, they are pretty much identical. One kills you because of your race or ethnicity, the other kills you because you are from the wrong social or economic class. They both seek to usher in “Utopias” based on collective identity and thus must totally subjugate any sort of individual identity.
Extremism of any form leads to violence. Labels should only be applied by those labeled, and even then not everyone fits. I don’t care who you wed or bed, I will not judge another by their color or faith, but we may judge by action and this man did evil in our world. Not town, not state, not nation, our world. Peace to those left behind.
The POINT of this story is not to debate if Nazis were left, or right. Who cares?
The POINT is that a guy screaming “Heil Hitler” deliverately killed Jews.
This is not a left, right, gay, straight, liberal, conservative issue.
This is ANTI-SEMITISM.
Get a grip people.
Respectfully, Paul, I think anti semitism is part and parcel with leftist ideology. This is not to say that all leftists are anti-semites, but you are a lot more likely to see anti-semitic abuse flowing from the left.
At the core of a leftist is envy – carping about what somebody else has. Our Jewish neighbors for as long as there has been Jews have been the targets of envy and hatred.
That said, if this is what the shooter said, he may have just been being an asshole.
No Paul; this is completely relevant to this discussion. What is at the heart of Anti-Semitism? What is at the heart of all attacks on a designated “sub-human” group. It is Envy, jealously, a sense of inferiority, self-hatred, victimhood, a feeling of powerlessness. All attributes of the left. By placing a
group as a “:scape goat”, it makes these self-hating people feel better about themselves.
It is also why this cult of victimhood is so prone to violent homicidal individual acts, like this murderer; as well as ample examples of mass murder and genocide by societies based on this belief system. . It is from an absolute sense of worthlessness and a homicidal rage at themselves because of that helplessness; which they then act out, (or a case of transference) onto the nearest available helpless population.
The cult of the left is one based on a very unhealthy, self-destructive and ultimately homicidal world view. Unless people are willing to acknowledge this basic truth; mass murder will continue, on an individual as well as societal level.
Daz…the Only time I’ve EVER seen anyone ON TTAG spell out n###er is YOU. Thirty shot( so far ) in Chicago this weekend. I also mourn for the victims. From an evil old white man married to a beautiful blackwoman. With 2 large caramel colored sons. You are a real POS TROLL Daz.
Awww… A 70 year old homicidal racist. How precious. See, you’re never too old to get your 15 minutes of fame.
This one hit close to home for me; I have several friends and acquaintances in the KC Jewish community who live in the area, including the parents and sister of one of my closest friends from college. Fortunately, none of them were involved or endangered in today’s incident.
As for the shooter: There’s only one sure cure for fascism, and it’s typically administered with a noose or a bullet. Good riddance to the SOB.
Churchill was a badass in the Boer War. Real combat veteran. Unlike most of OUR recent leaders.
Churchill was a nationalist and not a man of morals. As Secretary of the Navy during WW1, he ordered his people not to pass word onto the Americans and the Lusitania that a German sub was stalking the US passenger ship. The German sub sunk the ship killing many Americans and leading to the US entering the war against the Germans.
Source?
And are you arguing that he was obligated to let us know of British intelligence? The U.S. at the time was following a policy of neutrality. We were not an ally of the British.
Source? Does everything commented upon need to have a source included? The historical information is readily available and widely known.
Officially, the US was neutral yet America was shipping arms to Britain. The ship may in fact have had arms in its hold for Britain.
Morally, Churchill was obligated to warn of a danger to civilians that he was aware of whether there was a legal alliance or not unless you’re into the “moral-relevance” argument that advocates ethics are subjective.
It is not widely known that Churchill knew in advance, as far as I know.
I think your idea of what was morally required in this situation is a little too chauvinist.
In any case, it was so generally known at the time that there was a danger of military action against civilian vessels to and from Europe that the U.S. warned its own citizens against such travel.
“I think your idea of what was morally required in this situation is a little too chauvinist.”
Chauvinistic? Really? That is an interesting choice of words. Ok, fine. You stick with the moral-relevance view and I’ll stick with his decision not to warn the ship a moral failing. Many people, with an interest in history, are aware of Churchill not passing on the warning. Yes, the USG was warning its citizens about the dangers as did the Germans declaring the seas around GB a war zone.
Aaron – I used the word “chauvinist” in its original sense, which was appropriate here, and I applied it to your position, not to you. I think you’re taking this disagreement personally when there’s no need to. And I have not in any way taken a position that is morally relativist (I assume you meant relativist rather than relevant). I have merely disagreed with the position you took. In any case, I’ll leave off. Thanks for raising the issue, though. I had not previously heard that particular criticism against Churchill.
Who cares?
Some more information about the perp here:
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jewish-center-shootings/former-kkk-leader-suspected-kansas-jewish-center-attacks-sources-n79486
Former Green Beret, kicked out of the Army for being a known KKK member. Then a candidate for office on both the Democratic and Republican parties’ tickets in in the 80’s in North Carolina.
I thought I recognized his first and middle names-Frasier Glenn-his real last name is Miller,not Cross as has been reported.He has been a rabid Jew hater for decades.I believe he was forced to retire from the Army in 1979.He had his own White supremacist group in North Carolina.
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regarding Frazier Glenn Cross, from wiki:
“During his time as leader of the WPP, he unsuccessfully sought both the Democratic Party’s 1984 nomination for Governor of North Carolina,[5] and the 1986 Republican Party’s nomination for a seat in the United States Senate”.[6]
According to ABC news, 2 of the victims were Christian.
Irrelevant…the guy wanted to shoot Jews so he went to the Jewish Community Center.
Was expecting(unfortunately) that reply, so you’ve read his mind, tried and convicted him. Who needs stinking trials?
I am sure the fact that he was screaming, “Heil Hitler” gives us no indication as to motive, right? The day before Passover began?? A former Grand Dragon of the KKK? Screaming antisemitic statements from the police car??
Nah, I am sure he had no such motives.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
Apparently people here need to educate themselves that there is not just a “left” and a “right”, there is also “authoritarian” and “libertarian”. You can have left-authoritarian, left-libertarian, right-authoritarian, and right-libertarian. Most of the people posting here are right-libertarian. I’d be left-libertarian. Stalin was left-authoritarian. Mussolini was right-authoritarian. The Nazis are difficult to place, they’re more right-authoritarian than anything else, but they were also largely completely insane and irrational. If you look at their early days before they went off the rails, they were decidedly right-authoritarian, but using left-wing language (heavily peppered with nationalism) to get the working class behind them.
Yes, they called themselves national socialists. Yes, they said they were the German Worker’s Party. North Korea is the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. Does that make it democratic, or a republic? Calling yourself by a given name doesn’t make you that thing. Declaring yourself the Emperor of Iowa wouldn’t make you the Emperor of Iowa. Socialism in Europe has been extremely popular, especially with the blue collar working class, for over a hundred years. That’s why both the left-authoritarians and the right-authoritarians used “socialism” in their party and country names. Much like how the popularity of democracy leads to groups and countries calling themselves democratic when they are not.
Nationalism and racism tends to be an aspect of right-authoritarianism and fascism. That doesn’t mean that right-libertarians are bad! It doesn’t make you guilty by association! A right-libertarian and a right-authoritarian are two completely different things. What we need to watch out for is that the left and right authoritarians are the ones in power now, with the Democratic and Republican parties forming the left and right wings of a single Authoritarian Party, and that’s a group that wants to disarm and enslave us all.
Nazism, which is readily and completely interchangeable with Fascism, is exclusively and inextricably leftist.
http://youtu.be/ODJfwa9XKZQ
You can post the same inaccurate youtube video as much as you want. You can make a video and post it to youtube claiming the moon landing was a hoax, or that the government is controlled by aliens. This won’t make these things true. Heinrich Himmler said “We are of the right and of order. We shall sweep away Jews, Bolsheviks, and liberal democracies as one sweeps away flies.” There was no actual socialism in “National Socialism” just as there is no Democracy in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. You can post as many uninformed youtube videos as you like, or the same one again and again, and it won’t change reality. It will only make people disregard your posts and your video as uninformed noise. Jonah Goldberg can write as many books as he wants to, claiming that Nazis were “liberals”, and the only thing it effects in reality is the people who give him money by buying those books.
The shooter in this case was an avowed fan and supporter of Ron Paul. He said in numerous interviews that Ron Paul was the only politician he likes. Does that mean Ron Paul is a Nazi, and by your definition of Nazis, a leftist? Of course not.
Another Youtube “documentary”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnkiyxP3ZK0
After 9/11, with my own kids at the JCC – I used to worry about the possibility of targeting. Now it has happened, and my prayers are with the victims and their families.
Naturally, Yahoo News, and other left wing “news” outlets are predictably calling for “Stricter Gun Laws”. They are apparently allowing comments they agree with to be posted, while comments which disagree with their views, never see the light of day.
As the Administration has turned its back on Israel, and signaled weakness world-wide, it directly shares responsibility for these anti-semitic hate crimes. Weakness invites aggression, as does intentionally turning ones back on ones allies.
What baffles me, is the outcry for civilian disarmament from many in the Jewish community here in the US.
Civilian disarmament – a play right out of Hitlers personal playbook – contributed to, and encouraged the persecution, and decimation of German Jews, and ultimately to the persecution and decimation of Jewish populations wherever the NAZIs held sway.
Who – but a facsist (left or right) would presume to deliberately deprive fellow citizens of their God given right to self defense? And, why oh why are so many American Jews buying in?
“Weakness invites aggression”
+1
If more people understood this, gun control advocates would loose half their platform.
Actually the civilians in Germany were all disarmed as a result of the Treaty of Versailles. After they tried to conquer Europe in WW1 we weren’t going to let them stay armed. The Nazis rolled back the post-WW1 gun controls, but only for “loyal” Germans. So that’s what you have to watch out for, people who only want gun ownership rights for a specific group of politically correct individuals, and not for anyone of an undesirable political affiliation or racial group.
That’s right. The German government rolled back gun control laws for everybody except Jews, Gypsies, and the handful of other minorities that they wanted to scape-goat or otherwise have a much easier time of rounding up and eliminating.
I think RF and The Rabbi would be the best ones to answer the “why” questions.
Paul, hopefully you’re never called for jury duty. Ever.
Hmmm….let’s see…the man was a known rabid Anti-Semite, had been on the radar screen of the Feds, for years, screamed Heil Hitler and had a big old grin on his face as they hauled him away and was screaming anti-Semitic statements from the police car. It’s all on video.
I’m having a hard time understanding why anyone with even a modest IQ would find this to be at all a matter of doubt.
Do you get your KKK robes dry cleaned, or do you wash them at home, PG?
Just wondering.
Anti-Semitism runs long and deep in Europe and cultures derived from European cultures and it has nothing to do with being “liberal” or “left.” The pogroms during the Middle Ages and the rabid Anti-Semitism of the Nazi Party were not because they were “liberal” but profoundly angry and bitter anti-Semites. They played on the anti-Semitism latent in German culture and made it the rallying point for the Nazi movement and goal of racial purity.
Paul, I’m not going to pick apart your opinions, just remember not everything you see and hear on TV is true. As a 2nd Amendment supporter you should appreciate that.
Oh, so the video I saw of the guy screaming Heil Hitler, and then yelling anti-semitic epitaphs from inside the cop car were all staged? Doctored up? A conspiracy theory? He was really not a rabid anti-Semite?
Where’s your proof to refute the hard evidence of the video?
Do tell.
Reading some of your other posts I can see this will go nowhere productive. You’re right, you convinced me, that’s all the evidence anyone should need, no wonder our prisons are so full, who needs facts when we have digital sound bytes?
PG, you’ve made absolutely no good points. You have offered absolutely no evidence to refute the video evidence of the man himself screaming Heil Hitler. You’ve offered no evidence to contradict his very long record of being an ant-semite KKK loon.
So, what’s your point?
You have any proof to contradict any of the above?
Please post it.
Wow, who would’ve guessed such a politically incorrect topic as truth and firearms would be a quagmire of political correctness?
“A quagmire of political correctness?”
Do tell.
Last I checked, hunting down people at a Jewish Community Center and a Jewish retirement home, screaming Heil Hitler and hurling anti-semitic statements from the police car you are sitting in is not exactly politically correct behavior.
Hilarious, if it was on teevee, it must be true.
As I thought, PG, you’ve got nothing ….
Paul, what’s 0 times 0? When you come up with something of value you’ll get same response. Until then I’m not wasting my calories with you.
Thanks for again proving you’ve got nothibgvto contradict the fact that the man is an anti-Semituc loon.
Why are you defending him?
Yawn….I’m not defending him at all, just pointing out that your television based opinions are highly questionable.
Really? OK, explain it to me then.
What do you think he meant when he yelled “Heil Hitler” after killing people at the community center?
And if you do not believe what we all can see from the video taken that day, what do you think actually happened?
Enlighten us.
Hey, everything on tv is true. Peace.
I knew you would wimp out.