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File this under things everyone already knew was going on. As we wrote the other day, no one likes high prices, but they’re part of the current market conditions. Consumers are seeing the effects of the laws of supply and demand on a daily basis as they shop for guns and, more acutely, ammunition.

But there’s a difference between market-driven price increases and outright gouging. Mention the term ‘gouging’ to just about any firearms consumer and one seller almost immediately comes to mind: the ironically named Cheaper Than Dirt.

Their eye-popping surge pricing dates back at least to the post-Sandy Hook gun run. Now — finally — the Fort Worth retailer’s business practices have attracted the attention of the Texas Attorney General.

Form the Austin American-Statesman . . .

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has accused the Fort Worth-based website Cheaper Than Dirt, which primarily sells firearms, ammunition and hunting gear, of price gouging at the start of the pandemic.

The AG’s office identified over 4,000 sales that involved price gouging and has directed Cheaper Than Dirt to pay $402,786 in refunds to consumers, according to court documents filed this month.

Over 100 people have complained to the AG’s office about Cheaper Than Dirt, the Houston Chronicle reported earlier this year.

Early on in the pandemic-fueled buying binge, readers were sending us screen grabs from CTD’s site showing cases of 5.56 ammo priced at $970. This was at a time when other retailers were selling the same ammo at somewhere around $450. But that apparently wasn’t all consumers were seeing.

Additionally, the following weekend that Abbott issued the disaster declaration, Cheaper Than Dirt manually raised its prices outside of its normal schedule.

“Making these manual ‘real-time’ price changes caused confusion for consumers because the prices consumers saw on the website pages when selecting items for purchase were different from the prices that appeared in the final check-out cart,” the AG’s office said in court documents.

And now it will apparently cost them in the mid six figures.

EDIT: over on TTAG’s Instagram page, we captured some of CTD’s shenanigans:

 

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  1. Ok, if you expected to pay one price, and another, higher price appeared at checkout, and you purchased anyway, who is the one who should be fined?

      • “ExAmmo: $3.75/round !!! <— another name to put right next to CTD and Dick’s on my “never buy from” list."

        It is only fraud if you pay, and receive nothing, or receive a completely different product. Asking for pancakes, and receiving pizza after you paid for pancakes could be fraud.

        As mentioned, posting one price and charging another is more "bait and switch" than fraud or "gouging". BTW, CTD (and others) are completely open about their final pricing; you can choose to walk away.

        • Those examples are fraud, I agree. Also agree people should be paying attention when making any purchase.

          But if you agree to one price and discover after the fact you were charged a higher price, that is also fraud. Not realizing the trick has been pulled on you does not remove the wrong of the sneaky, money grubbing thief.

          • “But if you agree to one price and discover after the fact you were charged a higher price, that is also fraud.”

            We agree. On a completed transaction, after the “receipt” shows the promised price, but the credit card shows higher, there may actually be fraud (but that requires proof of intent, not error). However showing a posted price, and a “fee” tacked on before the transaction is paid is not “fraud” as generally understood (the law is more entertaining on that).

          • “I seem to recall a felony called “intent to defraud” ”

            Could be. However, fraud is defined as predicated on intent, which means intent to intent is required for proof. Kinda tough to get there, eh?

            Has anyone ever tried to sue CTD based on fraud? Has CTD ever been charged with fraud?

            BTW, if we complain about “gouging”, to be honest we must also decline discounts when supplies are in excess of demand.

        • “…you can choose to walk away.”

          Do you read every contract you sign?
          There’s a reason that many contracts now include a list of most of the provisions in the contract that you must physically initial before the contract is valid: most people just don’t read the contract.
          And, I would wager, most people don’t really check when presented with a cart at a vendor to ensure the prices are what was advertised when they clicked “Add to cart.”
          So, ‘walking away’ requires the knowledge that you should ‘walk away.’ Without checking, that knowledge isn’t there. Businesses are fully aware of this, and will sometimes take advantage of it, and this is usually known as fraud.

          • “So, ‘walking away’ requires the knowledge that you should ‘walk away.’ Without checking, that knowledge isn’t there.”

            Being uninformed, ignorant, or lazy (as I was) is a personal responsibility. I recognize that if I don’t read and understand a contract, I put myself at risk. I do not depend on government or commerce to be “fair”. “Fair” is a one-way street: how you treat others. No one has a moral obligation to treat you fairly.

            So, yes, If you put a product in your basket at one price, and a different price is charged at checkout, it is the responsibility of the buyer to take note and take action. No excuses.

        • “Bait and Switch” is when you advertise an item for price X to draw people in. But you don’t actually have that exact item in stock, so you offer the customer a different item of the same type at a higher price.

          While having a price that’s different in the cart than what’s on the item display page is switching – it’s not what is meant when the term “Bait and Switch” is used.

          • “While having a price that’s different in the cart than what’s on the item display page is switching – it’s not what is meant when the term “Bait and Switch” is used.”

            Thanx for the clarification !

      • Apparently Sam I Am has stock in CTD (or is an employee).

        It is true that one should pay attention to the prices in the cart before purchase but switching them from the selection page price is also fraud.

        Why are you fighting this so hard? CTD has always priced gouged. Always. I’ve always laughed at their name of being Cheaper Than Dirt. Dirt can be very very expensive. It’s an old trick of grifters to label outright what they’re doing so they can laugh at their victims. Governments do it to but less outright on purpose.

        I think it’s good that CTD got fined and maybe this incident will blow them out of the water or set them back a bit. But probably not.

        • Dirt can be very very expensive.

          Yep, there are places in the world where dirt can go for between one and two grand a sq ft as long as it stays planted and is connected to enough other sq ft parcels to actually be able to build a useable/livable structure….

        • Dirt can be very, very expensive:
          Like Gettysburg, the Somme, Tarawa, Stalingrad, Hurtgen Forest, Bloody Ridge, Khe Sanh…

        • “Apparently Sam I Am has stock in CTD (or is an employee).”

          Nope. Allowed my laziness to conduct one transaction with CTD. Saw what they were doing, and went along anyway. Not since.

          Sam I Am is just hardheaded about product pricing. There is absolutely zero, I say again, zero moral imperative that any business set pricing to make us happy. Ever. Many here are convinced that any company that does not offer pricing attractive to us is engaged in “gouging”. Given the political influence on firearms and supplies we have seen since 2000, if we are caught with our pants down, that is on us.

          We hate us some high pricing, but will stand in the rain to get “fire sale” pricing when businesses close up.

          I just keep hammering the hypocrisy we eagerly display. Being a hypocrite is fine, just admit it, and stop complaining.

      • “after the democrats eliminate internet sales this won’t even matter…”

        Then we will have one less stressor to worry about. That’s a good thing in troubling times, right?

        • Sure
          Sure, then you get to stand in line at your local store for one to three boxes of ammo instead of a case. Ron White was right.

          • “Sure, then you get to stand in line at your local store…”

            Barnie told us that lines at stores are a good thing because that means there is something to buy.

        • I will just come take yours. There won’t be any police anymore either. and he will give them to me because if you’re not home they’re not yours anymore since you’re OK with getting fucked you should mind it one more time

    • This isn’t unique to cheaper than dirt – if you look for just about any firearm or component on the web, you’ll find a thousand sellers.. and most of those “sellers” are just showing inventory from a handful of actual suppliers/ warehouses. The only difference between 950 of them is the markup that each of them chooses to add to the deal.

      This was extremely prevalent during the time when the importation of the saiga shotgun was banned. Fifty dealers showed “stock”, but there weren’t actually fifty guns in existence.. just fifty retailers pimping the same handful of guns at a couple of warehouses.

      Same thing with the infamous $100+ 30round mags that people are still blaming ctd for.. one wholesaler had mags for $x wholesale and ctd used an algorithm to bump the price to cost + x% – without any human intervention.

      Amazon and pretty much every retailer everywhere does exactly the same thing.

    • CTD actually engages in some shady tactics beyond simply raising prices though. During the 2013 panic, as it hit, they recalled ammo and mags that had already been paid for and *shipped* to the customer, and CTD canceled the orders and had the items returned to their inventory. They refunded the customers, however that’s very shady. It convinced me to never buy from them again, regardless of what it is they’re selling.

      If you’re wondering, I’m fairly confident this incident was in fact reported here at TTAG back then. At least I believe it was. It was 7 years ago after all, but I remember it.

      • “During the 2013 panic, as it hit, they recalled ammo and mags that had already been paid for and *shipped* to the customer, and CTD canceled the orders and had the items returned to their inventory. They refunded the customers,”

        Was this an actual “recall”, or a backroom move to cancel existing orders that had not physically shipped? If an actual “recall”, there was no obligation to send items back to the company.

        Note: customers have no “hold” on items in their online shopping cart. Thus it is not unusual for customers to find that items listed as available while filling the cart are no longer available when completing the transaction.

        Still, I choose not to deal with CTD.

        • I don’t remember the exact specifics, but there were quite a few people stating that items that had not only been paid for, but supposedly shipped, had been returned back to CTD. CTD then told the customers the orders had been canceled for some unidentifiable reason and were refunded.

          Regardless of wether it took place in the shipping dock or out on the street, it was enough for me to never purchase from them either.

          That goes beyond simple price gouging. Honestly, I get price gouging. If I ran a business, I’d do it too. But if an item has already been purchased thats a different story. It’s bad business and There’s no way you can earn peoples trust back after such a move regardless of the legality. CTD has likely lost millions in potential revenue by behaving in this manner and turning off customers.

          • Agree that businesses who blatantly take advantage of customers should be shunned. But if items shown as “shipped” online, were not physically enroute, it may be impossible to distinguish between shady practices and bad software regarding inventory levels. Fortunately, all one needs is to be dissatisfied with a business to justify not doing further business.

            • But if items shown as “shipped” online, were not physically enroute,

              Shipped is usually posted when the Shipping label is created, a quick check with the carrier will most likely show “not in the system”… enroute to carrier indicates the item has left the shipper…

              • “Shipped is usually posted when the Shipping label is created.”

                Once was a warehouse supervisor at a distribution center. It was not strange or out of the ordinary to have created a shipping label, then be told a higher priority customer updated an order, requiring the scheduled delivery be “returned” to inventory in order to fulfill the priority order.

                The first shipping label was cancelled immediately. When we got a question about that, we simply told the inquirer that we made a mistake and corrected it immediately. That cancelled shipment was flagged in the system as a priority order eligible for faster rate of delivery at standard delivery price.

        • What CTD did was systematically cancel and refund paid orders that hadn’t yet left the warehouse and then re-list all those items for highly inflated prices. It’s the essence of gouging. Not illegal, but also not cool. Not. Cool.

          • “What CTD did was systematically cancel and refund paid orders that hadn’t yet left the warehouse and then re-list all those items for highly inflated prices. It’s the essence of gouging. Not illegal, but also not cool. Not. Cool.”

            Nope. Not cool. But somehow they stay in business.

      • I was denied a full spam can of 7.62 x 25 after the fact – and the price went up about 3x. I also had another company sell me items with a bill of sale and then the bill disappeared off the screen and a second came up, saying “all the items in the cart”.
        It took 2 months to get my money back from paypal, since all I got delivered was an empty envelope.

        These things do happen, don’t blame it on the buyer…….

      • “Price Gouging , over inflating prices during a state or federally declared national emergency or disaster.”

        Define “inflating”. Define “over inflating”. What is the universal standard calculation for permissible price increases in periods of shortage? Explain the cosmic moral principle that prohibits raising prices in periods of shortage, “over consumption”. Explain the cosmic moral principle behind establishing prices for “normal” political/economic conditions.

  2. I suppose that the good thing to come out of this totally un-Constitutional move by the AG is that the government must have referred to ammunition as an essential commodity, something that could well be used in other legal proceedings.

  3. Back in the day, they had an actual retail location off of I35W north of Fort Worth. I shopped there for awhile but stopped going in. Not sure if it was because of the crappy customers but the store staff developed a really crappy attitude. Ask a question and they treated you like you were too stupid to deal with. Sad. I liked the store because of the stock. Oh well.

        • My worst experience was the salesman ignoring me when i knew what i wanted and was ready to buy. Instead he spent 15-20 minutes hawking a glock to a woman who was there with her husband. You could tell they had no clue about anything. This became most apparent when they told the worker theyd take the glock amd neither of them had ID on them.

          20 minutes of my life I’ll never get back

          • “My worst experience was the salesman ignoring me when i knew what i wanted and was ready to buy. ”

            In my sales experience, customers “ready to buy” were the worst prospects; about zero opportunity to “upsell”. The clueless can easily be upgraded to more expensive items.

        • MAN, some of you folks must live in CRAPPY areas… I walk into my local gun store any time of day, any day of the week and I see three smiling faces ALL greeting me by name and ready to engage in conversation, show me anything I want or just compete a sale or a pickup of an on-line purchase… I always leave there in a much better mood than when I went in…

        • “always leave there in a much better mood than when I went in”

          The dogs in the local gun stores here even greet me. Every gun store should have a dog or two. They make the best greeters.

          One day I pointed out to the kid who greeted me from across the room, “The dog comes right over and licks my hand. You don’t even come out from behind the counter.” His reply?
          “You buy this 1911 today and I’ll lick your hand.” (He knows I’m a sucker for a nice 1911.)

    • If I walk into any store and the staff are rude I simply go elsewhere and won’t return. I don’t expect cheery fake grins and smoke up my ass either. They don’t even have to talk to me. But if they go out of they’re way to be a dick or annoy me with silliness, then their competition just earned a new customer.

      • I don’t know about where you live, but surplus stores usually end up in a large, warehouse type of building(that was built a long time ago for a different purpose) and they stay there. As the city decays around them, they stay for the cheap rent and old customers. Hollywood, South Central L.A., Pomona. The original Fry’s electronics was a surplus house(complete with sci fi effects, a cut up jeep, mangled manikins), and Pasadena had them in the pre gentrified “Old Town”.
        I love those places………

  4. “Early on in the pandemic-fueled buying binge, readers were sending us screen grabs from CTD’s site showing cases of 5.56 ammo priced at $970. This was at a time when other retailers were selling the same ammo at somewhere around $450.”

    So people voluntarily purchased ammo from CTD that was available elsewhere for less. Where’s the crime? Not doing your homework always costs you.

    This is a waste of time, just don’t shop there.

    • Nobody says they purchased it, they just sent screen grabs of the ripoff.
      I can (and have) gone all the way through an online purchase to the point the “BUY NOW” button was there, and not followed through.
      I’ve sent screen grabs to my buddies of CTD’s “sales” for the LOLs.
      One of my buddies saw (and grabbed the screen of) an offer of 500 rounds of JRN 9mm ammo on a gun auction site for $999.99. I don’t know whether it sole or not, but that’s an example of what’s out there.
      Yes, there’s an “ignorance” tax.

  5. He he…to all the “this is capitalism & free market price gouging is cool” I guess Texass agrees with me. It ain’t. BTW I visited 3 gunshop’s & a pawnshop yesterday with a good friend. None were beyond the pale with pricing.

    • There’s no such thing as “gouging” in a free market. If you expect coddling you’re just another bleating sheep.

      • Yes, there is such a thing as price gouging in a free market. It absolutely does exist, and CTD is well known for doing it. (The relative freeness of our market is another question.)

        It’s not generally illegal, and couldn’t really be stopped even if it were illegal. It’s as inevitable under the right conditions, and there’s no way to completely prevent it; even in the most unfree controlled economies in the world, people STILL get gouged (only in those economies, there are few-to-zero ways to get around it due to lack of competition).

        Complaining about it and expecting to be bailed out is ridiculous and does no good, but neither does claiming that it doesn’t exist.

        • Ah but what about Gasoline price gouging? Try that and you will be sought out out either by the AG or the local DA.

          • Ah but what about Gasoline price gouging?

            THAT is a felony in FL got a hotline and everything.. Lot of that goes on when a big hurricane blows through…

    • OTOH, I was in a local pawn shop recently, and saw a Wrangler, used, black, for $275.
      That’s higher than the list price on Ruger’s website. For a new revolver.
      Possibly, the owner knows his clientele.

  6. Nothing new here about Cheaper Than Dirt, this has been going on for some time, guess what ?, if you don’t buy anything from them for a certain period of time, they will stop sending you catalogs,,, that’d what happened to me, I think I won that round, now I’m not tempted to by overpriced merch.

    • Cannot see “gouging” here. There were/are multiple other active sources with more reasonable pricing. Not a lawyer, but this seems more like a “bait and switch” proposition. One might find a condition where the only source of a product was local, and there was no alternate source available. Finding a product priced at extraordinary levels unavailable elsewhere might be considered gouging. But then, the entire supply chain would have to be reviewed, as we have discussed.

      Had a single experience with CTD, and paid because it was just too inconvenient (when you are lazy, everything is too inconvenient) to unwind the transaction, and look elsewhere. Yes, I paid too much; my choice. Never again.

      • Same here! CTD screwed me over one time on their outrageous shipping…my bad…a second time…never gonna happen. There are dozens of more honest vendors out there to spend your money with than to waste your time richarding around with CTD.

    • I think the last time I bought something from them may have been 2002?

      Can’t remember the exact situation that raised an uproar with them but I know it turned alot of people off.

      I remember exactly what Dick’s did before woke was a word though.

  7. There’s a technique to avoid paying over market prices. It’s called “shopping around”. And the internet makes it super easy.

  8. How dare CTD force people to buy from their website. I’m glad they never forced me to buy from them, guess I’m just lucky.

    Stupid freaking statist sheeple. What a shatty nation of shatheads this place has become. We deserve Trump and Biden.

    • It appears that the price advertised and the price charged were different. 2 boxes priced at $x go into your cart, 2 boxes priced $x+n are charged to your card.
      I guess those “prices subject to change without notice” warnings are meant to cover that, but it’s still a dishonest way to do business — unless of course, the website flashed a warning that the price had changed while in your cart and buyers simply didn’t pay attention. CTD doesn’t ship to my state so I can’t check.

  9. I get the emails from them but I’ve never been interested in paying $59.95 for a 50 round box of 9mm FMJ. I can get the same ammo at a local Gun store for well under $20.00. Anyone who buys ammo from them us making a foolish & expensive mistake.

      • LOL, I was buying 100-rd boxes of 9mm FMJ by the armload at $20 each pre-plandemic. So glad I backed up the truck and bought literally cartloads last year…as in literally a few hundred rounds per trip to the store. I’m seeing prices at triple or even quadruple that now.

        I have a feeling the predictions of prices not coming back down (and supply back up) for at least a couple of years are turning out to be true.

        • @Haz

          I was talking to the Manager of a local store’s gun department earlier today (Wednesday). He told me that his buyer is telling his local Managers that the ammo companies are going to double the wholesale prices in January in an effort to stem the demand and allow them to catch up with production…we sardonically agreed that if this comes to pass then the manufacturers are either getting in their last hurrah by gouging the heck out of firearm owners or they are trying to succor the Harris Administration (good luck with appeasing the Devil…). The thought of using price controls to depress the market demand did not pass the “sniff” test as far as we were concerned.

          A few more weeks will tell if this is true or a random rumor.

        • There is a whole lot of economic ignorance there. Price controls are what the government does, not what private firms do. They are just responding to excess demand.

          The entire purpose of the market is to allow prices to choke off excess demand or excess supply.

        • @tdiinva,

          I once taught an Economics course at the adult level on a college campus. Were you replying to my comment, or OGIM?

        • Funny I never hear anyone say “Manufactured goods generally cost more when you need to produce them at night and on weekends, because your labor costs are higher.” You could increase your capacity, and go under when the demand disappears (again), but most companies have already been fooled once by that one. If I needed more ammo, I would pay for it. Since I don’t need any, I’ll wait till prices are more reasonable. Duh. Don’t see a reason to complain either way.

        • OGIM.

          Where did you teach? I taught Econ at Indiana University in the early 80s before joining the Deep State.

  10. CtD are scumbags, but that hardly qualifies as “price gouging”. Not when there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of online retailers who will happily sell you the same product at a lesser price. If someone is too stupid to use ammoseek I fail to see how that’s the fault of CtD

  11. avatar Find what you want from them and then shop around. Dealing with these clowns is like picking up a turd by its clean end. If i can't do better, i give considerable thought to doing without.

    Use them as a learning experience.

  12. Nobody like shady business practices and yes buyer beware BUT, fair is fair. A retailer still needs to play buy ethical rules. Nobody likes going to the grocery store, looking at an item on the shelf for, lets say catsup and it says $2.57 but when it’s rung up, it’s $3.05 Now wait just a second!! Of course, cashiers ALWAYS give you the (I didn’t know) retarded look ALWAYS!

    We have a plumbing and drain service here in Spokane. I won’t mention names, BULL DOG. OK I lied. Their little game is to come out and tell you they can fix it. OK, what do you charge an hour? It will take 2.5 hours? OK. They slam job out, write “parts” on the receipt and Labor, then you get a bill for $800. When you question the bill amount, then they tell you its FLAT RATE Well why not SAY THAT IN THE BEGINNING? That is some shady BS right there!

    Is CTD price gouging? I suppose it would come down to what THEY are paying for the ammo as opposed to before. As far as the prices coming up different, that’s probably an error but nevertheless, the consumer should watch what they are paying.

    Yesterday I just ordered from Primary Arms in Texas another Magpul 300 blk magazine for my AR pistol, you select your shipping methods, tax, the item, hit buy, you get an email receipt, it’s all right there. Now if you were charged more than what you saw on final check out, THAT I could see getting pissed about.
    Buyer beware!!

  13. Ridiculous assertion, nobody is forced to buy at Cheaper than Dirt. They can charge what they want and alienate all of their customers if they feel like it.

  14. I quit dealing with CTD post-Sandy Hook. I prefer to deal with retailers that didn’t raise their prices just cause they could. Midway USA is a company that hasn’t raised their prices to exorbitant levels, they just limited number of boxes of ammo.

  15. I went by the gun shop near my parents home in Somerville TX. Wanted to get an extra box of ammo for the .380 pistol I carry in my car when going to and from college.

    Creepy guy wanted $100 a box!!

    Asked how he could be that way. Said he had plenty of customers who pay that price. Did not believe him, but also did not buy anything from him.

    Dad said he is not well respected as a businessman in town.

    • In his town, you might want to learn to ask Dad for a company’s references BEFORE walking in their door!

  16. But there’s a difference between market-driven price increases and outright gouging.

    Sorry, in a free market (which we have less and less every day) any business can set their prices anywhere they want. Ammunition is available in many places. This business does not have a monopoly. If people want to pay their exorbitant price, so be it. This is supposed to be a free country, but the free part disappears more each and every day. With all that said, I wouldn’t buy from them, but that is how commerce is supposed to work. One business charging a fortune will soon have to lower it when another retailer undercuts them.

    • Other retailers don’t have it. They have it because if you REALLY REALLY want it, you better have some extra kids and your left nut to hand over. No wonder they have some ammo in stock still. For this story, I checked to see if they had any .300 blk. Nobody else does, but THEY DO. Gosh, what a surprise huh!

      • ” I checked to see if they had any .300 blk. Nobody else does, but THEY DO. Gosh, what a surprise huh!”

        I agree. If someone sells something I want, it should be illegal for them to price it above what I am willing to pay. “The market” is just another tyranny. If a company sells out their inventory, and gets no more (or very little), well tough; they gambled and lost. That does not justify hoarding critical supplies just to make a higher profit on inventory they don’t sell.

        Workers of the world, unite !
        Viva Che’
        Viva Max
        Viva Las Vegas !
        Viva free internet !
        Viva free beer!

        • Sam, you really need to get with the “/sarc” tag, you know somebody is going to think you were serious.

          • “Sam, you really need to get with the “/sarc” tag, you know somebody is going to think you were serious.”

            I try to make certain comments believably unbelievable. I want to get as close to the idiocy of gun grabbers as possible, while raising the remark, “Nobldy is that stupid…oh, I get it.”

            I agree, it is a thin edge to walk.

  17. I’ve never done business with CTD so I can’t really comment on their business practices other than what I’ve heard (none of it good).

    But I do find it amusing that the average price on AmmoSeek for a case of 5.56 is now higher than a case of 5.56 UTM munitions, and enough so that you can often actually afford to get a UTM BCG and still be at about the same price as the case of M193.

    Crazy times.

  18. These a-holes have been doing this for years. The truth is, people need to vote with their wallet and quit buying from them. Put them out of business using market forces rather than legal tactics like this. That said, this couldn’t have happened to a more deserving company than CTD. Most of the gun community know these guys are rip-off artists and have stopped supporting them.

    • I read a lot of bad comments about CtD back in the mid 2000s when I posted on the surplus rifle.com forum.

  19. They aren’t the only one engaged in gouging.

    Currently on on AmmoSeek: S&B 300 Blackout 200gr Subsonic

    from Sportsman’s Outdoors: $1.50/round, shortage high, but among the lower prices when it shows up.

    ExAmmo: $3.75/round !!! <— another name to put right next to CTD and Dick’s on my “never buy from” list.

    • “ExAmmo: $3.75/round !!! <— another name to put right next to CTD and Dick’s on my “never buy from” list."

      "The Market" at work.

      Where's the problem?

      Oh, you "need" cheaper ammo? Why is that a retailers problem?

  20. The real crux of the problem is “panic buying” and hoarders that dry up the supply leading to shortages that then leads to so called “price gouging”. Ammo is a commodity, and like any commodity price are based on supply and demand. If people don’t buy at the high price, the price will come down. Sellers can charge whatever they like, but until an item sells they haven’t made any money. As long as idiot’s are willing to pay high prices, the prices will stay high or go up. The simple solution is to quit buying. As the warehouses fill up, the prices will come down. No major retailers can afford to sit on large inventories that aren’t selling.

    • The purpose of the price system is to allocate scarce resources. Raising the price encourages conservation and makes sure that the people who value the commodity the most get it. If you don’t raise price to choke off the excess demand then speculators will buy everything up and sell it later a higher price. Ultimately, keeping prices below the market level ultimately raises to higher level than they would naturally be.

      • “The purpose of the price system is to allocate scarce resources. ”

        As Stryc9 so graciously cautioned me….stop it with the education and explanation of market interactions. It makes you sound privileged.

        Just embrace the whine (or the Vodka, or whatever).

        (Further note: you are upsetting the echo chamber)

        • “TDI, if anybody still doesn’t get it, mention toilet paper.”

          Whoa. Stop right there. Now ur talkin’ real gouging. Nobody needs a gun, but everyone needs toilet paper.

          We need the government to establish mandates on the amount of toilet paper one can buy, store and use. Background checks must be established to ensure no one gets away with lying about the number of rolls on hand at home, or how fast they are using it. People who pass the checks should be issued a national identity and ration card for toilet paper. People who fail the background checks should be put on federal “No fly; No buy” lists. We gotta get organized, here.

        • if anybody still doesn’t get it, mention toilet paper.

          During the shortage local stores around here were charging 40 to 50% premium for the “good stuff” with one package limit, same with paper towels… Nobody complained…

    • 4 years after Sandy Hook hoarders were stuck with a lot of ammo they couldn’t unload for what they paid. They are visible at gun shows, check the dates on their stock and it’s 2012 or earlier. Some made a mint on their investment, good for them. They didn’t get it from me.

      I guess it all comes down to how much ammo you have, need, and are willing to overpay for.

    • You are correct, but…….. If you are a new gun owner, you should have a box of ammo to get used to the gun and a second one to keep for defense. Even at the high cost, it could be the best buy of your life and your family’s.

    • Remember the toilet paper hoarders who now have garages, attics, cupboards, and spare rooms full of toilet paper. It was amusing when supermarkets said they wouldn’t accept returns on those products.

  21. It is always so entertaining to see a group of free-market capitalists whining about price gouging.

    And this fellow Ken Paxton, what a loser.
    So he believes the state of Texas should be able to set the price on another persons private property, how very communist of him, I’m sure y’all are very proud of him.

    Government price controls on ammo, I think you folks are onto something!

    • I know you really don’t believe in free markets but you get a slow clap for exposing the phony free marketeers and faux Libertarians.

  22. You know CTD and all these other sellers are gouging! Yesterday, a local store near me had some 5.56 (50 rounds) for $15 (limit 1 box per) and 7.62×51 for $15/20 rounds. Still high but better than any mail order. Guy at counter said thats about their cost.

  23. I knew that 8 years ago, right after Sandy Hook, when CTD was charging 32 cents a round for 22LR plinking ammo. Never bought anything from them again. Surprised they are still in business.

    • “Surprised they are still in business.”

      There is always market for overpriced goods and services. Our local Caddy dealer cannot keep SUVs on the lot. The lowest posted price, new, is $90k. (think about that)

      Somehow the dealer stays in business.

      • I got really close to buying a shiny new 1975 ElDorado convertible, fire engine red with a white top and white interior, priced at $11,000 before any dickering. $90K, huh? Wow.

      • new, is $90k. (think about that) Somehow the dealer stays in business.

        My 04 Lincoln Navigator was $72K (16 yrs ago) 90K is not out of line considering inflation, costs etc. New 4×4 Navigator Black Label is $102K….

        • “My 04 Lincoln Navigator was $72K (16 yrs ago) 90K is not out of line considering inflation, costs etc. New 4×4 Navigator Black Label is $102K….”

          Then, or now, they are still just pickups with integral camper tops. $72k, or $100k, those are amounts that get my attention. Car payments equal to mortgage payments. What a country !

          (No, I don’t begrudge anyone who can afford a new SUV)

        • We’re still driving the ’89 Suburban when we need a big vehicle. Any time I start thinking about dropping money into it to address wear and tear we go look at window stickers on new stuff. If I take the wife with for the window shopping there is no argument about spending money on the old one.

          • We’re still driving the ’89 Suburban when we need a big vehicle

            Feel the same way about my Navigator, 90,000 miles still like new… Only brakes, tires and regular oil changes, it’s paid for itself several times over… added a turbo w 7 pounds boost a few years back always ran premium fuel so no major expense increases but way more fun to drive after… 08 Electra Glide Ultra Classic is the newest “vehicle” I own…. Buy good stuff, take care of it and enjoy it….

        • I’ve installed a dual snorkel intake (all under the hood), 3″ exhaust with turbo muffler, RV cam with steel double roller timing chain set, chipped the ECM, changed the gear ratio from 3.73 to 3.42 and went to 265 series tires (final drive equivalent to 3.08 with stock 235 tires), Eaton TruTrac to replace the GM posi and added a rear anti-sway kit. All this and repainted most of the vehicle thanks to GM’s peeling paint back in the day. Even went so far as to have a body floor pan new rear cross member welded in to deal with an old rusty one. I was afraid that the tailgate hinges would let go if it wasn’t fixed. Lately, replaced the headliner.
          350 V8, 130K, looks and drives better than the day I got it. Tows like nobody’s business.

          • Ain’t they fun… But some dumb shit WILL ask you why….. the turbo added 150 horse to my rear wheels close to 460 lot of fun

        • The answer is, “Because I can!” Been thinking about a set of heads but I’ll probably do something with the tranny first. A model year or two later they put the heavier duty L60 in there before they went to the electronic version. Find me one of those…
          Speaking of before they went electronic, this vehicle is too old to track or hack.
          When you own a vehicle for decades, you can do this kind of stuff to it, one piece at a time.

          • you can do it with newer stuff as well.. bought an H2 at auction stolen recovery, no drivetrain… installed an older mechanical Cummins diesel (Dodge) with 5 speed, dana 60s at both ends, analog gauges, the only thing that can be tracked in that thing is my cell phone… strictly an apocalypse rig, I call it the Urban Warrior…