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“President Donald Trump announced Friday evening plans for the Justice Department to ban all bump stocks, pending a mandated comment period,” reports. Click here to read the proposal. It’s a 55-page treatise. Money shot . . .

ATF has now determined that the conclusion [that bump fire stocks are not machine guns] does not reflect the best interpretation of the term “machinegun” to clarify that all bump-stock type devices are “machineguns”under GCA and NFA because they convert a semiautomatic firearm into a firearm that shoots automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

Wait. What? A bump fire stock does not shoot more than one shot per trigger function. Each shot is actuated by a single trigger function, albeit really quickly. And if that’s true, which it is, WTF? Oh here we go . . .

In explaining its prior ban on the Atkin Accelerator (a bump fire-like device), the DOJ doc says the ATF interpreted the “single function of a trigger” to mean the “single movement of the trigger” [italics theirs]. In other words, one trigger press sets the gun into automatic mode, wherein the gun’s recoil takes over. Or something like that.

Anyway, the document says the bump fire ban doesn’t violate the Second Amendment; the Supreme Court’s Heller decision gave a thumbs-up to a federal regulation of machine guns as they are “dangerous or unusual weapons and therefore not in common use.”

[As we’ve said before, machine guns are not in common use because they’re banned. Of course, that depends on what you mean by “common use.” The military and civilian police (same thing) have plenty of machine guns. And there’s a healthy supply of pre-’84 machine guns in circulation. ]

So it’s all about the semantics. The ATF is directed to redefine “single function of the trigger” to mean “single pull of the trigger” (still stumped by that one). And ta-da! “Automatically” now means “as the result of a self-actuating or self-regulating mechanism that allows the firing of multiple rounds by the single pulling of the trigger.”

And finally . . .

. . . the definition of a machine gun [now] includes a device that allows semiautomatic firearms to fire more than one shot with the single pull of the trigger harnessing the recoil of the semiautomatic firearm to which its affixed so that the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the trigger by the shooter (commonly known as bump-stock-type devices.

The ATF estimates there are somewhere between 280k and 520k bump fire stocks in the wild, worth somewhere around $96m. All of which must be destroyed under the proposed rule. 

Consumers who purchased a perfectly legal firearm accessory, who will soon be felons if they continue to possess it, can destroy their bump stock themselves (“simply” with a hammer) or give/send their bump fire stock to the ATF for destruction.

The ATF reckons the new rule will cost bump fire stock retailers $1,780,498 in lost inventory. More or less.

Get this: the document says consumers who wish to experience the joys of bump fire may continue to do so using “rubber bands, belt loops, or otherwise train their finger to fire more rapidly.”

Meanwhile, the comment period is open! Contact the ATF using citing Docket Number 2017R-22. Make sure you use your first and last name and mailing address.

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  1. Yeah… I can see the lawsuits already… How many amendments of the CotUS does this violate? I lost count at 3.

    • pwrserge

      Simple Math

      Slide Fire + good trigger + heavy barrel = Poor Man’s SAW

      “100 rounds, I did not see one hiccup in that entire cyclic rate. That felt smooth the entire time. I kept it on the same impact area the entire time. This combination of a good trigger with the Slide Fre and a good heavy barrel absolutely works. This is definitely a poor man’s SAW” Quoted by someone who knows and has a hell of a lot of experience with military small arms.

      SAW + crowd + Article Five of the United States Constitution = no more Second Amendment.

      Myself personalty would prefer to just give up the Slide Fire.

      • Oh noes! A bad man might do a bad thing! We must ban everything! Quit your self-flagellation. If you didn’t do anything wrong, then why volunteer to be punished?

      • A bad man DID a bad thing. And he showed the way for any other bad man to the same bad thing. If he didn’t we would not be having this discussion and they would not be banning bump fire stocks.

        • And yet, I still DGAF. I’m not going to be punished for what someone else did. I’m done with that. The only people left to blame are those who allow these things to happen. Those who *facilitate* them happening. Those same people who jump on government as a solution like a dog in heat.

          No more. Fight to win, or surrender and die. The lines were drawn for us, but not by us.

      • Yeah… because I’d totally hand in my guns…

        The reality is that the liberals keep setting up these shitshows and I’m not about to bend over backwards to accommodate them.

        Do you want to know what I can do with a $200 and a trip to the hardware store? Hint: IEDs cost much less than even a “poor man’s SAW”.

        • IEDs don’t have a 500 range. You have to know what the fuck you are doing with bombs. T.M. was smart as fuck and he still needed a 3.5 ton bomb. Try and buy 25 lbs of fertilizer without the AFT up your ass. Thanks to YouTube, the Vegas shooter knew exactly what to buy to do the job. Yes, I found out EXACTLY what sparked the policy change. And for anyone here who thinks that bump stock is some stupid range toy needs to get his head out of his ass. There is a reason the NRA is scared shit less of them. A lot of people are.

    • I’m a fan of plain old chess and I think the wisest move now is to get behind the Leftist move to impeach the fvcking rat.

      Face it if Trump bailed on the wall, he’s gonna bail on the 2ndA.

      In a brief look at Pences 2ndA votes, I’d much prefer Pence.

      Trump is a fvcking idiot if he thinks the base is going to ignore this budgeting of a measley amount of money for a wall that can’t be used for any concrete! That’s not a wall, that another sh1tty fence! He’s an imbecile.

      • I will predict the varmints that are going to pay the price are the Social Republican Party (formerly know as RINOs). They sold out EVERY part of the conservative coalition that kept them in office. RINO voters are a small part of any GOP voter block. Social and Fiscal Conservatives make it happen for twits like Alexander, Blunt, Perdue. These bastards sold EVERYONE out. WORSE than the demtards.

        Senate vote

        House vote

        How did your congresscritter vote? I’m proud to claim that BOTH my Senator and my 1st District Rep voted against this travesty.

        • The RINOs, Republicrats, Democrat Lite crowd have no fear of your/our vote. They know we will not vote to permit even worse politicians to take office. They know we will always take the lesser of two evils. They know they can trade effectively on the notion that, “We are not as bad as them.”

          We would have voted for “Achmed The Dead Terrorist” before we would give Hilary a free ride to the White House.

        • Same senators as yours, neiowa, and both are great. David Young (3rd Dist republicrat), not so much. He’s already hurting, not taking any phone calls. It’ll be interesting to see if he makes it to the District Convention at all- He’s really going to catch it there. Justice!

        • I’m not happy with any of this either. It looks as if we’ve lost our country. At least both my Iowa senators voted nay. But because of Moscow Midwest I.e. Iowa City, I’m stuck with Loebsack. At least he’s up front with his beliefs. So what’s next comrades?

      • Yep, hes playing lip service on fixing the horde of foreign invaders, hes no longer representing the will of the people who elected him, impeach his ass. If we can impeach clinton over a blow job, we can impeach trump over this stormy critter.

        • A bit curious here. Precisely what do you believe the effect of impeachment to be? Slick Willie was impeached, and continued in office.

        • I have no regard for Trump, however, Clinton’s situation was about him and an intern while he was in office. Trump’s alleged issue was before holding office and she was not a government intern.

        • “Precisely what do you believe the effect of impeachment to be? Slick Willie was impeached, and continued in office.”

          Yeah, they ain’t getting the votes to convict in the Senate, even if Trump’s ‘hooker-gate’ coughs up pics or video of Trump ‘in action’.

          And to this very day, ‘Slick Willie’ Clinton is considered to be a great president by the Leftists…

        • Yep. The budget deal is a punch in the face to Trump. The establishment is not going to let an outsider determine anything. The only thing Trump “got” was increased military spending.

          What I do not understand is why Trump did not veto the bill. There are not enough votes in the senate to override a veto. He should have pulled down all their pants while they were scrambling to go on vacation. Veto the bill, and go to the public to blame the entire congress and senate for wanting to do harm to the people. Explain that a government “shut down” isn’t; never has been.

          Pit the public against the politicians.

  2. This is a major long-term win for liberty, because it’s being restricted.
    This is a major long-term win for the 2A, because it’s being restricted.

    I love my implicit faith in Trump’s 3D chess because it makes me feel like I’m winning even when I’m losing. (/sarc/)

  3. The Florida, Marion Hammer supports it. The NRA supports it. A hole lot of gun owners on TTAG support it, and gun owners in general support it.
    I don’t. But I got my Slide Fire stock 3 weeks ago.

    • If you took a poll, I’d say at least 80% of TTAG-ers support keeping bump fire stocks. We’re not ignorant.

      Yes, some might be willing to trade it for national reciprocity or the NFA. I’m in the category, also because I’m not ignorant about how easy it is to bump fire without a BFS.

      • I would trade it explicitly for bump stocks only. No “rate increasing” definitions. If we’re going down the route of “these are machine guns” open the registry back up, let people register them, and add more items to the registry at the very least. I’ll take out a mortgage just to send to ATF for a couple hundred registered lowers, a couple P90’s, some Glocks, and whatever else I decide needs a happy switch.

        In addition, I want national reciprocity. The fact that rights change depending on locale is absolute bullshit.

        • Yeah, the rate increasing stuff is far more dangerous than just banning BFS. Makes no logical sense.

        • You are working toward a complete ban on all semi automatic rifles. The human mind over came one design and created the Atkins Accelerater. Then the Bump Stock. The only way to end it, is to ban all semi auto rifles. When the demand that, will you give in????

          The anti gun Obama administration made sure police all over the nation were given select fire M-16’s. And M-79 grenade launchers. They also received M-14 rifles. Will they give up their guns????????

        • Chris,

          They’re already banning BFS. Wouldn’t it be cool to trade something we already lost for something we can’t get? Impossible, yes. Unconstitutional, yes. Permanent, no. Dumb, no.

  4. So no wall,a pay raise for congress,and a ban on something that makes semi auto rifles shoot faster.well done dumass,you just lost the house and earned impeachment

    • Do you know the difference between a budget and what he signed? Hint: None of the money actually HAS to be spent the way Congress wrote it. That’s what Obama did for 8 years. I think that once the DNC figures this out, they’ll be rioting in the streets again.

      • Hang it up Serge. I’ve defended Trump since his nomination but that day is over. The chump change money allocated in the budget for a “wall” can’t even be used for concrete. WTF! He’s so dumb that he got kicked in the balls and he doesn’t even know it.

        Obama was able to mis-allocate money because he had the deep state behind him. Ain’t gonna happen with Trump.

    • Let’s be honest here. The wall was always a bad idea. Make it a felony with mandatory jail time to hire an illegal and watch how quick the crossings end.

      Arrest all the ‘sanctuary city’ pols for criminal conspiracy and watch how fast the illegals are chased out.

      Cheaper than the wall and more effective.

      • Yes. Double row of triples strand concertina with tanglefoot. Overwatched by fires. EVERY Army/Jarhead unit deploys to boarder for two weeks of training establish a deliberate defensive position (using wire obstacles). In 6 weeks the entire damn boarder is fence.

        Se a foot between the two rows and you’re dead.

  5. Whelp, if we can’t be free we may as well get to burning it all down. Add a few trillion more to that spending bill, put Pelosi in the cabinet and ban rubber bands by EO. Let’s get on with it.

  6. A true friend of the Second Amendment.

    A friend to the working class gun owners, a quantum chess master, and a large handed stable genius. He embiggens the smallest man.

        • “Embiggen” was just added to the Oxford English Dictionary as:
          Pronunciation /ɪmˈbɪɡən//ɛmˈbɪɡən/
          VERB [WITH OBJECT]
          ‘you need to embiggen your vocabulary’
          Late 19th century: from big, on the pattern of embolden. Popularized in the 1990s by the US animated television series The Simpsons

  7. The trigger AND hammer ARE reset after every shot WTF difference does it make if it’s reset slow or fast.

    • Because the reset is accomplished by the RECOIL, not the shooter. Otherwise electrically powered gatling gun would be legal to. And they are not even autoloaders. If any part of the trigger action is powered by anything other than the shooter it should classified as a machine gun. Any other type of bump firing is the gun bouncing around in your grip. The slide fire is NOT bouncing in your grip.

      • I guess you should have written the NFA…. but you didn’t and the NFA is clear on what it says and what it doesn’t.

        You post this stuff all the time but apparently you’ve never bothered to read the definition of an MG in the NFA.

        • So why is a electric Gatling gun not a machine gun? How about a drill on a gat crank.

          You are NOT pulling the trigger. Your finger is just connection between the stock and the trigger. You can loop in a zip tie or put in a rod and accomplish the same thing. Slidefire had prototypes that did exactly that. But at that point the ATF was no longer drinking the Kool-Aid

        • Are you speaking of a modified Gatling gun or a M134 Minigun?

          Actually fleshing out what you’re trying to say rather than assuming I can read your mind makes this whole “conversation” thing a lot easier.

        • Oh, and in case you’re wondering, a drill on a Gatling gun is an MG. The ATF clarified that back a long time ago. There are discussions about how illegal such a device is on thefiringline forums going back to at least 2006.

          Lots of things are classed as MG’s. Bump stocks have not been because they should not be under the plain language of the NFA which is quite clear about what is and what is not an MG. I suggest you read the definition. If you read that definition and still come to the conclusion that a bump stock is an MG then you’re either delusional or have no grasp of basic English.

        • The original version with the spring was classified as a machine gun, putting in a spring into the stock with a butt pad will return it to that configuration, easily convertible applies.

          Put a zip tie threw the trigger guard and secure it to the interface block, attach a forward grip to the hand-guard. Now the forward grip is the “trigger”. The gun fires by only pushing forward. Forward pressure is ONE function, so machine gun. Again easily convertible applies.

          The truth is you trigger finger is ONLY a connector between the stock and the part called the trigger. Slide Fires manual of arms states the final action the shooter takes to fire the gun is forward pressure on the forgrip, NOT pulling the trigger.

          Always energy from the gun firing is used for at least some on the trigger operation. <- this it the key point. No one can keep up .12 second splits for 100s of rounds.

          With standard bump firing the ENTIRE gun moves. With the slide fire part of the gun remains stable.

          As for the NFA. Yes I think it is unconstitutional, but I'm a bit of a realist. The fact that one person can shoot 480 people (not a theory)in a very short period of time (he spent about 5 minutes firing over the course of 10 minuets) is going to result a NFA if one did not already exist. The only other option will be the elimination of the 2nd amendment. At some point people will just not care anymore and give it up. SAWs firing into crowds of people are that point. With the bump stock and the sure fire magazines, that is basically what you have. Put on a FightLite MCR upper and that is exactly what you have.

          I also think that the motto "In God We Trust" is also unconstitutional, but what are you going to do.

  8. Remarkably well-written, but it is still impossible to regulate that which is not already proscribed by law.

    The gist of today’s proposed regulation is a reinterpretation of the federal definition of a machine gun from a firearm which discharges “more than one round by a single function of the trigger” to “more than one round by a single pull of the trigger” (the regulatory argument being that a bump stock essentially creates a singular pull cycle similar to the Akins Accelerator).

    However, the relevant federal statute (26 USC § 5845) specifically uses the word “function” for machine gun and “pull” for rifles. If the 1934 Congress had intended for machine guns to have the “single pull” definition, they would have written it into the statute!

    • But the function on the slide fire is forward pressure. Your “trigger” finger can be replaced with a zip tie or stick. All you need is anything for the trigger to push against.

      • In what way is that different from regular bump fire? I can achieve the same effect with a long zip tie, a piece of string or, indeed, the waistband of my pants and a belt loop (and they needn’t even be around my waist at the time.) Are you seriously suggesting reclassifying those items, and any others that could potentially allow the recoil of a firearm to reset its trigger, as machine guns?

      • A standard trigger is actuated by muscle contraction and movement.
        A trigger attached to a SlideFire enabled weapon is actuated by muscle contraction resulting in stabilization, with no (or little) skeletal movement.

        They both rely directly on the contraction of muscles. The recoil operated reset reduces the need for coordination and muscle movement speed, but voluntary muscle contraction is needed for both. One could argue that different use of the muscle could warrant a different classification, but that is not discussed in the NFA’s MG definition.

        Replacing the finger with another object would be a modification. Practically speaking, using a cord or a stick instead of one’s finger doesn’t seem advantageous with the weapon system being discussed here, but I believe that doing so (even for only for 30-100 rds) would be considered use as a MG.

        • “using a cord or a stick instead of one’s finger doesn’t seem advantageous with the weapon system being discussed here”

          There is no advantage, I just mentioned it remove the argument that your trigger finger is really doing anything. Slide fire did make a version with a “stick”, it was actually a metal bar, but I don’t think they ever got that one past the ATF

    • A Z: I agree with your conclusion.

      First, I concede to all the criticisms of others concerning this rule making. In principle, this rule making is wrong and nothing will make it correct.

      That point conceded, Trump, his DoJ and ATF did the minimum conceivable damage to the RKBA in the approach they have taken. It looks like binary triggers, trigger-jobs, replacement triggers, lubrication, etc. are free from this regulation.

      Would this narrowness of treatment have been achieved if the cry for a bump-stock ban been taken up in Congress? Yes, that’s possible; but is it likely? Would the Democrats have pushed the RINOs into bill language such as that proposed by Feinstein? I think that result would have been inevitable. And, had this result come about through the legislative process we could have been comforted by the fact that Congress legislated rather than the Executive branch legislating unConstitutionally.

      Would this narrowness of treatment have been achieved if the ATF took the initiative (rather than President Trump)? Unlikely, in my opinion.

      Has a president been set? Arguably so; would it have been better if it were set by new Congressional legislation?

      We PotG are not very good at politics. The Democrats are much better at this game. If we intend to win the war for the 2A we need to study-up and beat the Democrats at the political game.

  9. We live in an era where definitions of words change when they need to if it allows for more oppression. People need to stop pretending they live in the olden days.

    Remember that government workers where saying the “founding fathers” were actually terrorists and people who want to follow the Constitution are dangerous sovereign citizen loons.

  10. Sneaking up from the rear,……………………………………. A knife in one hand,…………………………………………….. A jar of Vaseline in the other,………………………………… President “I love our Second Amendment”,……………….. Shows us the meaning of true love,………………………… Bend over and repeat,…………………………………………… “Please Sir, may I have another”………………………………

  11. They’ll lose this one in court.

    Part of me suspects this is some sort of stupidity. Another part of me suspects it’s flim-flammery.

    Trump tells Sessions to do this while at the same time appointing exactly the kind of judges who will tell Sessions to take a long walk off a short pier. Ironic? Stupidity? Some sort of master plan? I dunno.

    These days I’ve kinda stopped paying attention to a lot of this shit until the dust settles. There’s too much nonsense from all sides to really have a good idea of what’s actually going on without becoming “the media” yourself and basically spending you life investigating each “thing” and I just don’t have the time or patience for that shit any more.

    • That’s my impression as well. The rule expands challenges to more than 2nd amendment grounds…

      I count…

      ex post facto
      “takings” (see: 5th amendment)
      due process (deprivation of property)

      I can see a bunch of manufacturers racing to file injunctions.

      • Well, you counted. Wrong. Ex post facto doesn’t apply. They aren’t prosecuting anyone for having owned a bump stock, only for the continued possession of them. It would be the same as when they decided to ban cocaine. Confiscation did not have to take place, only prosecution of those found with it.
        The “takings” part of the 5th does also not apply. Private property is not being taken for public use, only outlawed.
        Due process is also not violated. You will presumably get a trial for the possession of an unregistered machine gun after/if you fail to destroy your bump fire stock.

        The fact is that unless the 2A saves us in the court, and it seems unlikely, this is going to stick and the traitor president is behind it. It’s time to admit that this NY scumbag sold us out and stop being delusional about the type of government we’re living under.

        • Um… how is due process not violated when you are required to surrender property without said due process?

        • Wrong on the takings. The courts ruled a while back (in regard to somethung related to endangered species) that the government eliminating an items market value (by prohibiting its sell) is an unconstituonal taking.

        • All you need is adequate compensation. I’m sure the government can come up with the money to pay back people for what they paid for their slide fires. I hope people kept the receipts

        • I think those in possession of cocaine when it was banned consumed it before any law enforcement was commenced. If there was an arrest, if the posessor could absolutely establish that it was legally procured before the ban, he might have a Constitional case.

          Cocaine is a consumable, not a long-lasting piece of hardware.

    • They ain’t gonna lose in court – there are all kinds of magic unicorns in that there Constitution if you’re an activist judge, and know where to look.

      • Gonna be a tough row to hoe at the SCOTUS based on the plain text of the NFA and the plaintiff gets to pick where they file so the antis don’t get to do the judge shopping on this one.

        • Yup… as before, I’m going to reserve judgement until the dust settles. If someone really wanted to ban these stocks, they would have weaseled some sort of grandfather clause in there to avoid challenges on things other than 2nd amendment grounds. That’s either a REALLY stupid move or a REALLY obvious tell.

        • Are you familiar with Chief Justice Roberts and Senior Associate Justice Kennedy? They have certainly had some interesting interpretations of different parts of that document as well as their reading of “plain text” in other legislation. I doubt they’re going to have your back on this one.

          Also, I can’t help but notice that the GCA of 1968, Hughes, and now this have all been passed with Republican support. I guess I don’t get your optimism that there’s some type of magical protection of your fundamental rights in that old parchment or the various branches of government.

        • Are you aware that Roberts and Kennedy are 2/9ths of the SCOTUS and that it will likely take at least a couple years for this to make it to the SCOTUS?

          It’s going to be really, really hard for Roberts to justify any vote other than against this kind of reg because of the plain text of the law. Kennedy is a swing vote but I think he would have trouble with this as well. Yeah, he’s not easy to pin down ideologically but I don’t think he’s the kind of person, based on his previous rulings, who is going to look at the plain text of a law and say it says something completely different in nearly every possible aspect. That’s just MHO on the guy.

          On top of that it’s entirely possible, indeed likely, that the Left will lose either Ginsberg or Breyer in the next few years. Maybe both. In fact, Kennedy, at 81 may retire too.

          There’s also the possibility, which is not outlandish given that the youngest of these people is 79, that one or more of them could pull a Scalia and die on the bench in fairly short order. (I don’t hope for this to happen merely pointing out that they are all of an age where it wouldn’t be a shocker.)

          All in all going to court on this one is something I would be completely comfortable with. The plaintiffs get to pick the originating court and, by extension, the Federal District court that will handle the case. Done deftly this gives them great advantage. A SCOTUS hearing, were it to happen, is off in the distance to the point that court makeup could well be decidedly in our favor by the time the SCOTUS even gets a crack at this. Unless Trump is impeached and removed in the next couple years which isn’t going to happen.

        • strych9,

          Now here is a scary thought: gun grabbers file a challenge to the bumpstock “reinterpretation” in a court that is to their advantage and then purposely bungle the case. I see nothing stopping them from doing it.

        • {SCOTUS}

          “…one or more of them could pull a Scalia and die on the bench in fairly short order.”

          Sotamayor is diabetic, if memory serves. And overweight.

          That right there make her susceptible to whole lot of unpleasant health issues, like stroke, heart disease, etc…

    • Hmmm.
      Bi-polar is a term that is wholly applicable to this …

      (The constrination of choices is in fact completely logical to any application of the term bi-polar.)

  12. Semi auto W/ bump stock = The trigger and firing group are reset after every shot.
    Automatic fire, the trigger does not reset the action.

    Jerry Miculek is a machine gun according to the “new” definition, he performs the same action as a bump stock.

    • “Automatic fire, the trigger does not reset the action.”

      It does reset the action, however the auto seer overrides it.

      • No, it doesn’t.
        In semi-auto mode, the disconnector catches the hammer and doesn’t release it until the trigger is released. At that point, control of the hammer returns to the trigger, and it must be pulled again.

        In auto mode, neither the trigger or the disconnector ever gain control of the hammer again, until the trigger is released.

        The only thing that auto-sear “overcomes” is follow-down. The bolt carrier has to overcome the auto-sear. Essentially, the bolt carrier becomes the weapon’s trigger, you rotating the selector gives the weapon access to use it.

        You get a trigger!
        The weapon gets a trigger!
        Everyone gets a trigger!!

        • You have no clue how guns work. On a closed bolt gun the hammer can not be released until it goes back into battery. The hammer is triggered by the auto sear which in turn is triggered by the bolt going into battery. Open bolt guns do not require this function. And because of this they are outlawed whether they are semi-automatic or full automatic

        • I don’t know where you get off with your first sentence. The post I was responding to was referencing an auto-sear, so my response was entirely accurate.

          And, @binder, your response just illustrates your own ignorance. An auto-sear doesn’t “trigger” a hammer. An auto-sear catches the hammer, and is “triggered” to release it.

        • Sorry GunMonk, reply to the earlier post in the car. I know auto sear holds the hammer and the bolt is the “trigger” in full auto.
          But if somehow the bump stock survives the court challenges and we can use the energy of the gun firing to “reset” the trigger, I’m going to see if I can come up with a “reset sear” that instead of releasing the hammer pushes the trigger forward. Kind of like a lightning link. I think if I can time the reset to just before the gun goes into battery it will work really well. If we can have 500 rpm “semi” auto guns, might as well design a good one.

  13. At least it’s encouraging [honest citizens to violate the law, and violate their reps by instrumentation]. Well, that’s how America got started. Next one we’re going to F’ up a lot more liberal (D)NA, too much of it was tory-residual last time.

    Funny, Conservatives can stand it if everyone’s conservative.
    Liberals can’t have everyone be liberal or you get Venezuela, then Madura gets dragged through the streets behind some skinny horses.

  14. Need an armed march on D.C.

    No ‘agenda’ no shouting, just a few million bussed in armed citizens looking at the reflecting pool (and maybe for an OFWG porta potty).

  15. Ok we really should’ve seen this coming. I know it sucks but seriously, we got lucky they weren’t already banned in the first place back when Barry was runnin the show. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck. For all intents and purposes it does make a semi auto impersonate full auto REALLY well which is enough to scare the sheeple. Remember most people aren’t really gun people. Yes they may own guns and they may shoot a lot but to them a bumpstock equipped AR is full auto. They don’t know that full auto fires multiple rounds per trigger press and that the trigger doesn’t reset between shots all they know it Rambo once went ham sammich on a police station with a gun that sounded a lot like that AR you just mag dumped. They don’t care that really all a bump stock does is let the weapon use recoil to reset between each shot they only care that it sounds and looks like something out of the gangster movies. Flame all you want but search your feelings POTG you know this to be true. Like anything else in the world it isn’t the engineering that matters it’s the appearance to and perception of the lowest common denominator (i.e. the dumbest most gun illiterate wastes of cellular materials) that matters.

    • None of which should matter at all and, even under Barry, it didn’t matter because the NFA strictly defines what is and what is not a machine gun.

      Simulating auto fire is not auto fire. Simulating an MG is not an MG. To be an MG it has to fall under the strict definition of what an MG is which was set forth by Congress and signed into law by a POTUS. People don’t have to like that but if they want to change it they have to rewrite the definition within the NFA, get that passed by Congress and signed by the POTUS.

      Which is exactly why they will lose this in court and then shrug and say “Well, we tried”. Like most other things in DC this is a fucking carnival side-show.

      • Strych I freaking love debating with you. Ok look at how many points of failure there are in that plan….
        1. NFA definitions – We all know politicians build their careers on 2 things bending words and lying through their teeth. So we already know that the definition will be ignored because they couldn’t possibly have known more back in the 1930’s than we know now.

        2. Have you ever seen the government do anything right? 90% of the time they are just trying to look like they’re working and they get stellar counseling statements so long as they look busy. How the hell does that apply here, well easy that bump stock equipped AR or AK LOOKS like it’s firing full auto. So by the governmental viewpoint it IS full auto. Just as that lazy campus cop looks like he’s guarding the school so therefore he must actually be protecting our kids.

        3. They may lose this in court if it gets that far or it could really bite us in the ass. One can never be too sure when it comes to the Supremes.

        4. Do you really want to give them that idea that they can run this through Congress? Now? Right after they all passed a 2,000 some odd page budget AND gave themselves a raise to 180,000 a year with an expense account totaling 192,000 a year? You really think they won’t screw us over on a piece of plastic and some springs?

        Yes I hope we can get bump stocks back for all yall that want them or have them, but realistically I don’t see the political class giving back any freedoms or powers unless forced to do so by a large number of angry people toting torches and weapons.

        • “2. Have you ever seen the government do anything right?”

          There is one thing, and they do it arguably the very best in the world. Not perfectly, but towards the goal of not getting people killed.

          The air traffic control system, and aviation safety in general…

        • “here is one thing, and they do it arguably the very best in the world. Not perfectly, but towards the goal of not getting people killed.”

          Compared to how many die in wars. Compared to government genocide. Compared to how many that die after being stripped of their ability to exercise their rights. Compared to how many will never be born due to government mandate and funding. Etc.

          Government is a prolific author of death.

      • They’re not gonna lose squat in court. The gov’t and courts ignore the wording of laws all the time. You do remember that the Supreme court found Obamacare legal by ignoring the explicit wording of the law right?

    • They were left legal under Barry because they hoped someone would use them in a high casualty crime. They were hoping to manufacture a crisis that they then wouldn’t waste. They tried the same thing with Fast & Furious. The first mass shooting with a bump fire stock just happened to not occur while the Democrats were in power.

      • What a load of rubbish. They weren’t banned at the time because of some conspiracy by Obama, do you have any idea how pathetic you come across by even suggesting that. The real reason they were still available for sale was due to right-wing gun freaks like yourself who would have acted the exact same way that you’re acting now. Do you remember Sandy Hook, I certainly do and if I remember correctly, Obama tried to bring before Congress stricter gun control laws. However what happened, freaks like yourself were up in arms about any measures being taken, and so we had the Vegas massacre and now the Florida shooting. If anyone should take a measure of responsibility for what’s happening now it’s the likes of yourself and the other intransigent gun owners who are in complete denial.

        • Never ascribe to incompetence, stupidity, bad luck, or inertia that which can simply, easily and more accurately be explained by malevolent intent and conspiracy.
          – – former government employee

  16. Eff this guy and almost all of the things he’s doing. The only thing I begrudgingly appreciated about him was that he made the crazy of progressives (both dem and rep) shine through, even though he seemed to be one. But now he doesn’t just seem to be one, he is.

  17. Can kicked down road. Bait taken by dems. No one talking about your ar-15 or ak or 10-22… cleverly misdirected them toward an accessory that their ignorance keeps them from understanding. The cleverest win is often disguised as a potential loss. Good
    Work by many…. too much panic by others though. Hug your high ends and hipoints… government aint takin yer baby

    • Sure, the more we lose, the more we actually win! Genius thinking.
      Now if we just could trick the gun grabbers into repealing the 2A, that would be yoooge win for 2A supporters. Or something.

        • Haha. Internet conjecture is entertaining. Nice thing was when TTAG demod bump fire
          Stocks for the media and attracted extra libtards in here to stoke flames against and for what?? We dodged Obama era grab attempts and have not Clinton…… too much whining in here….. I smell trolls

  18. They are wrong. A bump stock does not harness the recoil for further automatic action. It is designed to specifically NOT do that. If it harnessed that energy, it would not be a sliding stock without a spring. Further, the rule never addresses that the shooter needs to physically pull the rest of the firearm forward for each firing sequence. This is political interpretation designed to achieve a desired result, not an honest interpretation. Their old opinion was correct.

    • WTF, the shooter only pushes, he NEVER pulls. The gun using the energy of the round to overcome the forward pressure of the shooter. So energy is used to reset the trigger. That sound a hell of a lot like it is harnessing the recoil to ASSIST in operating the trigger.

      • Are you sure you have that right? I’m not busting your chops and I don’t play the “Well, actually, you stupid idiot,” game that is so popular in the commments section. But, respectfully, I believe you have this incorrect.

        When trying to make a gun bump-fire without using a bump-stock, the way you do so is to use your left hand to pull forward on the foregrip, they you sort of loosely dangle your trigger finger in the trigger guard area. So first pull of the trigger results in recoil which sends the gun back toward your body (and away from your loose trigger finger), then your left hand pulls the gun forward, effectively “bumping” it into your trigger finger, causing the process to repeat. The forward pull from your left hand bumps the gun into your trigger finger, the recoils pushes it back away from the trigger finger, then your left hand pulls the gun forward, bumping it into your trigger finger, lather, rinse, repeat. Some people loop the thumb on their trigger-finger hand into their belt loop, or they use a rubber band, or a number of other rigged up methods to produce the same effect as described above. Whatever the method, all you’re effectively doing is letting the gun slide forward and back, rhythmically, so that it keeps being bumped into your trigger finger.

        Recoil moves a gun AWAY from your trigger finger any time that you fire a gun, only when you are holding a gun normally (that is to say, tightly), your hand moves backward with the gun as the recoil pushes it backward. Again, though, with bump-firing, you keep your trigger-finger hand loose so that your trigger finger stays more or less fixed in position while the gun moves forward (due to the left hand pushing the gun forward) and back (due to recoil). Your finger — the thing that engages the trigger— is not activated by recoil.

        So all of that is the case without a bump-fire stock. What role, then, does a bump-fire stock serve? The novelty of a bump-stock is that it is little more than a pistol grip and stock that slides along a track, allowing you to control the above process a bit better. It’s basically just a handrest so that your trigger-finger hand isn’t limply dangled in the arm, but instead has something to hold onto. The process, however, does not change at all from what was described above. Ergo, it is erroneous to say that the bump-fire stock is recoil activated.

        • Actually, I just realized that we’re saying that we’re saying the same thing. Only, I’d argue that when you push on something, you don’t wrap your hand around it. If you can pardon the crude analogy, when someone has marital relations with themselves, the grab their “foregrip” and pull on it, right? 🙂 You wouldn’t say they’re pushing on themselves.

        • “The novelty of a bump-stock is that it is little more than a pistol grip and stock that slides along a track, allowing you to control the above process a bit better”

          But that the “real” problem. They are NOT novel. Set up right and you can run it as well as a M249.

  19. The claim these college taught assha5s at the atf are even constitutionally taught is suspect too..

    More than that, we all know our government isn’t constitutionally taught either… This government should be ignored until we stomp it under and start again.. No new bullshit laws by these fucking lawyers and commies need apply.. Jail their asses til they’re old and frail. Reinstate the Constitutional republic. Civil rights, original amendments.. And who ever doesn’t agree with the entire constitution.. Strip their fucking citizenship and boot them to Canada or mexico or slave labor.. Fuck em.. I’ve had it with these commie shitbags being here.. They’re not Americans and I don’t recognize any of them..

  20. Is there any possibility of a freedom loving state opting out of this Federal law?
    Like a. “sanctuary state” for bump stocks?
    Just refuse to enforce this rule and not cooperate with enforcing it?
    It’s my only hope!

  21. What happened to the idea of “pre-ban bump stocks”? How can they expect folks to destroy something the legally bought because of a new law?

    • Ask the folks who bought Adkins Accellerators . . . and had to destroy/disable them. It sucks but it’s been done before.

  22. The only good news here is that the proposed regulation isn’t as bad as we’d feared. It’s pretty narrow, and is not going to pick up trigger packs or trigger jobs, although I suspect it will mean the end of binary triggers (“single function” now means “single pull,” which eviscerates the basis for the legality of a binary trigger). And note that the notice explicitly says that using belt loops, rubber bands, etc., to increase the rate of fire is A-OK (which, of course, makes little logical sense, but at least indicates that they aren’t totally thick).

    There will, of course, be fights over whether the reg is contrary to the statutory definition of “machine gun,” but don’t hold your breath on any court bailing us out here. Absent the Supreme Court nuking Chevron deference in the near future (might happen, but it’s a long shot), the courts are gonna defer to the ATF’s “expertise” in this area. See the opinions in the Adkins Accellerator cases for a taste of how the lawsuits are going to come out. Not pretty.

    The real unfairness is to all the folks who purchased bump stocks based on the government’s ruling that they were legal (to say nothing of the people who built businesses based on those rulings). Now, with a stroke of a regulators pen, they are all now illegal and must be destroyed — no compensation, no grandfathering, no amnesty, no opportunity to register, nada. And despite the report recognizing that tens or hundreds of millions have been spent on such devices in reliance on the ATF ruling, the DoJ essentially says, “too bad.”

    Bottom line: Trump (with a yuuge own-goal assist from the geniuses at the NRA) has sold us out. And he didn’t even *try* to get anything in return. Some dealmaker.

  23. Guess who I won’t be voting for in 2020? I’ll either leave the space blank or vote third party, because I never vote for a gun grabber.

      • “… I never vote for a gun grabber.”

        Sounds heroic, doesn’t it? However, failing to vote for one “gun grabber” may result in the election of another…along with whatever else crap the victor may bring to town.

    • “Guess who I won’t be voting for in 2020? I’ll either leave the space blank or vote third party, because I never vote for a gun grabber.”

      Congrats, that is casting a vote for grabber. Ever heard of cutting off your nose to spite your face?

      • Sorry, Mr Trump, but it not. That’s like saying that you voted for Obama by not voting for Obama and is completely idiotic. People like you are exactly why our political system is a complete mess, because you insult anyone who doesn’t support corruption.

  24. Pres. Donald Trump, One Term President in my Book…I’d vote for Rand Paul if he runs….

    • There is no reason to elect him again if Hillary doesn’t run again. He only won because of Hillary.

  25. Interesting, looks like binary triggers would still be good to go as those count as 2 separate trigger pulls and don’t use the weapons recoil.

    Look forward to the lawsuits. This isn’t going to be settled anytime soon.

    • If it even gets enacted in the first place. I expect the see the ATF swamped during the comment period. We were exactly here post Vegas…

  26. To all the Fudd’s out there, to all the fence sitters, think of it this way. By agreeing with the Pres on this, you’re just agreeing with the cannibles to eat you last.

  27. After reading as much as my brain could handle of the justice departments statement am I correct to conclude this does not affect binary triggers? Am I wrong on that?

    • Binary triggers should be outlawed for safety reasons. Takes a new level of stupid to put a dead man’s switch on a rifle.

        • FUD, for dead man’s switch on a rifle. WTF. Why do you think it is such a good idea? And this is from someone who buys guns without firing pin blocks and hates decockers on his double action pistols.

      • Binder, You’re the reason we have the NFA, GCA of 1934, Hughes Amendment, and now this. Go and polish your over/under and shut the heck up! Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it should be banned.

        • FRANKLIN ARMORY has a liability waver in the fist page of the instructions. Sounds like they even think it is a bad idea.

        • Re: Binder

          And Ruger has a warning in every owners manual about chambering a round unless you are ready to fire the gun. Your point is what, guns can be/are dangerous?

  28. Public comment is “mandatory”, taking into consideration (as in sway a decision) comments contrary to the intent of the government is nowhere mandated.

    This action, which destroys private property will be ruled by the SC to not violate the 5th amendment “takings” clause because requiring destruction of bump stocks is a “compelling government interest” (making the public feel safer) that overrides constitutional protections.

    For those always curious about whether Trump is still worth supporting, the man is setting up some very interesting propositions: Korea; bump stocks; Iran; Paris; Mueller testimony; tariffs. Based on the changes in staff the last few months, it looks like Trump believes the force of his personality and reputation for being a very good negotiator will allow him to: scare the Norks into destroying their nuclear capability; tell Meuller “what for” about collusion, and end the investigation; force the rest of the nations to re-write Kyoto to favor the US; show how tariffs result in jobs moving back to the US (without raising prices), and having other nations re-write all those adverse trade agreements/treaties; sign anit-2A legislation without risking his base of support.

    Let the circus begin !

    • The “takings” clause requires just compensation. It efectively requires a declaration of eminent domain. Congress would have to act.

      • “The “takings” clause requires just compensation. It efectively requires a declaration of eminent domain. Congress would have to act.”

        Congress does not pass “eminent domain” laws for each government action that could be declared an uncompensated “taking”.

        A regulation that is issued in implementing signed legislation brings the full force and effect of the underlying law. Thus, if the EPA issues regulations that all motor vehicles manufactured before 2001 are in violation of EPA pollution laws and regulations, and those vehicles must be surrendered forthwith for destruction, without any compensation being required, such a regulation/law would be candidate for reversal at court as an unconstitutional taking. Congress would not be involved (nor need be).

        The interesting thing is the difference between “taking” what was a previously legal machine (motor vehicle), and confiscating a device that has been illegal to possess without government permission since 1986. The argument can be persuasive that confiscation of illegal weapons is not a “taking”, but merely an operation of existing law: a felon in possession of a firearm purchased before the person became a felon does not benefit from constitutional protections of uncompensated taking of private property. It is illegal already for a felon to possess a firearm. The firearm can be legally confiscated as the result of an investigation and arrest, and/or a conviction of a felony crime.

        • That would only be true if the ATF hadn’t approved the device for sale in the first place.

          • An agency may determine it made a mistake, and is only correcting the prior mistake. We are all happy when that happens to our favor. Can’t have it both ways.

          • “Congress controls the appropriation of the funds required for the just compensation.”

            All the government agencies have budgets and funds. If an agency should experience a shortfall in budget designed for adverse court rulings, there are processes in place to reprogram certain budget items to cover the shortfall. Congress does not have to individually legislate every compensation payout. I know this because….BTDT.

        • I don’t think the ATF has a discretionary budget big enough to cover $100M.

          The sum is large enough that it will require an appropriation.

          • A judgement against the ATF in that amount just might require an appropriation. However…

            There is no judgement against the ATF.

            The government will decide when and if there will be a judgement against the ATF.

            The government is anti-2A in/at all its branches.

            The government can rebuke the ATF, and determine that any claim regarding unjust “taking” of private property will always result in an award of damages limited to $1 per claim.

            Or maybe the government will declare that the ATF acted within its authority, but used a mistaken interpretation of the regulations/law. In that case, the government would likely conclude that the ATF was acting in good faith, and nothing is due persons who lost property. Sorta like when SWAT destroys the wrong house.

            It is interesting to see the number of people here who actually profess to believe that right makes right. Not so. Might makes right. You effectively have only those natural, human and civil rights that you can personally enforce.

            Claiming that your 2A rights are not dependent on utility or social is simply whistling in the dark.

        • “It is interesting to see the number of people here who actually profess to believe that right makes right. Not so. Might makes right. You effectively have only those natural, human and civil rights that you can personally enforce.”

          That is so so true. But I would argue that having other to help you enforce those rights is the best way to go.

        • “Not so. Might makes right. You effectively have only those natural, human and civil rights that you can personally enforce.”

          You are correct. I agree with your whole comment, Sam I am, except for the last sentence and that is probably just a matter of wording. The right still exists but the exercise of it is squashed. For example, slaves still possess their unalienable individual rights even when the exercise of them is suppressed. Their inherent right to liberty remains.

          • The existence of a “right” that cannot be enjoyed is the same as not “right” at all. Theoretical possession of “rights” do nothing to ensure their protection in real life.

            Nice words in DOI about unalienable rights, but the government has already alienated them, most effectively. The words about unalienable rights were justification for the revolution. The BOR was the declaration of unalienable rights in the constitution. As the founders feared and cautioned, the government disregards unalienable rights with impunity.

  29. The finger breaks contact with the trigger (or at least enough to reset) and gets pulled into the finger again. If I held a gun in my right hand and pushed it toward my left finger extended through the trigger guard, what happened? Apparently, I didn’t pull the trigger. I challenge anyone who says I didn’t fire to stand in front of the muzzle during the experiment. If I pulled the trigger once with my left hand, and then pushed the gun toward it 10 times, am I a machine gun because I fired many times with one pull? What if I replace my left finger with a branch? Is my cherry tree a machine gun?
    Is a bump stock a machine gun in and of itself, or only when attached to a gun? If I put one on a legal, registered machine gun, am I holding 1 or 2 machine guns? The litigation will be endless, or we’ll win quickly. Bring your own popcorn and enjoy the show.

    • If you can replace your trigger finger with a zip tie then it’s not a trigger finger. You are NOT lifting your finger, the recoil and the finger rest are. Let’s loop a zip tie in the trigger guard, the guns will still function fine. So now is it a machine gun?

  30. Time to start building real machine guns if you’re already a criminal because of accessories you bought legally.

  31. This website used to do gun reviews and post decent articles. Now it is all click bait and fear mongering. In the past few months this website is gone WAY overboard on popups and click bait. To make it worse, I cannot even count the supercharged political horsecrap articles that have come out… and the comments are even worse. The lower part of my screen is filled with click bait ads and pics of women with photoshopped bodies. There are 8 ads on my screen right now. I am guessing ownership or hosting has changed and the real “people of the gun” have been sold out. Obviously it is working… people are terrorized and commenting on hypothetical legislation and preparing (poorly) to take up arms (in their imaginations) against… shadows and make believe. Many seasoned owners and operators of all types of arms have seen a thousand political dramas unfold and our 2A rights have endured. In fact, some of us were limited for quite some time to low capacity mags and fixed stocks. We never had a Chuck Norris or Jerry Miculek candidate make it to office… but we did undo the Clinton era gun ban. Some of us watched family members lose businesses to the ban. Some of us lost supplemental income from gunshows. Now… we have a new generation that calls one group “snow flakes” but literally mess their pants daily over ever story on the news about guns. The effort put forth in whining and crying about un-executed political possibilities would better be spend helping a very lost and misguided younger generation. Your expertise will never outweigh the ignorance of the coming generation. You do however need to make a commitment. I remember being taught the proper respect and safety of firearms… I was never taught to fear them (although some of us know we were not far from being taken behind the woodshed for a beating if we ever mishandled one.) Can we commit to teaching the proper treatment of firearms to the younger generation? Will they view them as something outside of hollywood or videogames? Some gun clubs are dying because their youngest members are in their 70s….. shooting sports are almost like the dark web… they exist but no one talks about them… Perhaps we can all start by helping out at the next youth trap shoot or women’s intro day or hunter safety course… even if we are just serving chips and hot dogs can cleaning up brass… Something to keep the sport from decaying….
    The decline in responsible and sportsman like use of guns is declining. Tactical application is turning into a mockery with failures getting millions of “hits” and “likes.” Ignorance is so rampant that the news shows a shotgun shooting a watermelon and the newscasters call it a demonstration of the power of an AR-15…
    We should be far more worried about the current realities than the future possibilities…. especially in light of the outrageous infringements brought upon by previous politicians under far less media outrage..
    If you were smart enough or attentive enough to read the above you probably aren’t on internet forums anyways. If you happen to agree just enlighten the future generation. Perhaps those who survive the tide pod pandemic will grow the manufacturing and the sports that we love and perhaps leave us with even greater tools, hobbies, and means of self defense than ever before. If we don’t, then perhaps we will simply settle for gluten free clay pigeons and vegan turkey shoots.

    • I read your entire commentary. I do not know what/which theme you are trying to convey. It the whole of the comment simply to complain that TTAG is not “Guns and Ammo”? Is there any other stream of thought we should recognize?

      Take a moment to rethink your submission, and deliver us a more focused comment (or two).

    • Try The Firearm Blog. They never take a stand publicly. They will sell guns down the proverbial river rather than take a stand or rally support. Guns not politics! Eventually it will be spoons not politics!

    • “Many seasoned owners and operators of all types of arms have seen a thousand political dramas unfold and our 2A rights have endured.”

      I’m a fairly young person. Quite unseasoned. I am one of those dreaded Millennials. I didn’t buy my first gun until August of 2008. Never served in the military. Never hunted. But I am an avid reader and quite obsessive with topics I enjoy, of which guns is one. I can say with certainty that the our 2A rights have not endured. 1934? They didn’t endure. 1968? Didn’t endure. 1986? Didn’t endure. 1994? Didn’t endure. We got lucky on that one because Uncle Bushy dropped the ball (preoccupied by his War on Terr’r) and didn’t renew the ban. We’ve been enduring like a snowball endures hell.

      And I know someone is thinking right now, “What about Heller?!” Heller doesn’t amount to a road apple when our adversaries our now waving it around as proof that they can ban any gun they want as long as they can argue that it’s “dangerous and unusual”, which is every gun in the mind of an anti-gunner.

      We won’t have to worry about it much longer though. Trump will lose reelection, the blue wave will wash over the nation, and everything will be on the chopping block.

      • I think “dangerous or unusual” may apply to bump stocks, Remington rifles with defective triggers, and any firearm that is prone to firing without pulling the trigger.

        All other firearms currently in the possession of citizens, especially semi-automatic pistols, rifles, and shotguns, bolt-action rifles, revolvers, and all other arms and accessories that are in common use are protected by the Heller Decision and the 2nd Amendment.

        They can try all they want but AR platform rifles and 30 round magazines have been “in common use” in large quantities since the early 1960’s so suddenly declaring them “dangerous or unusual” would be held by a legitimate Supreme Court to be unconstitutional.

        If the Supreme Court were to violate the “in common use” portion of Heller and allow a ban of all semi-automatic firearms, it would result in a shooting war very quickly.

        • I would like to believe in that, but every “assault weapons” ban that has gone before a court has been upheld so far with the SCOTUS turning down appeals when sought.

  32. I don’t like it, but this will almost certainly withstand judicial review (like 98% sure). I’m not saying that I think it’s just or constitutional, I’m just telling you that, based on my legal experience, this will be upheld.

    On the upside, it doesn’t cover binary triggers or match triggers. (The change was not to the definition of “single function of the trigger”, it was to the meaning of “automatically”.) Too bad I live in Florida.

    Downside, this sets the precedent going forward of massaging the language of the NFA/GCA to creatively ban whatever the government wants to ban. Months back, I wrote an article for TTAG criticizing the NRA for pushing this approach for this very reason, but it’s too late now.

  33. Of course the proposed regulations don’t comply with the laws as passed by Congress and the part about eliminating existing bump stocks is unconstitutional.

    No ex post facto law shall be passed. Making current owners destroy them without just compensation is unconstitutional. The Government would have to declare eminent domain over each existing bump stock and compensate the owner.

    Further, if the SCOTUS does not maintain the Chevron Deference, the regulation will be ruled unconstitutional. If they follow the Chevron Deference, they would uphold the regulation but rule that owners of existing bump stocks can keep them. Congress would then need to declare eminent domain.

    I think this is one case the SCOTUS will take. It has many issues that are in addition to the 2nd Amendment issues.

    • “No ex post facto law shall be passed.”

      The statement above is erroneous in implication, seriously undermining the rest of your comment. “Ex Post Facto” does not mean no law can be passed that makes a previously legal activity illegal. Ex Post Facto laws would make an action (purchase of a bumpstock) illegal because it is declared illegal today. Prior purchases of bump stocks are not illegal transactions (as they would be a new purchase if bump stocks were banned this evening).

      Ex Post Facto law is a law that makes one subject to criminal charges if one ever committed the now illegal act at any time in their past.