Ahead of the release of part of the official police report on the Sandy Hook Elementary School spree killing, courant.com reports that the police responding to the school did so in a less-than-timely manner. “Among the aspects of the response under scrutiny was a decision by the first responding Newtown officer to park nearly a quarter mile away at the top of the driveway to the school and wait for other officers to arrive, sources familiar with the investigation said. Those officers moved to the school on foot along the tree line . . . Dispatch records indicate the first 911 call came in just before 9:36 and the first officer arrived at the school at about 9:37:30. The dispatch tapes indicate there were officers in the school at 9:44, but don’t make clear exactly when the first officer entered.” More on that timeline . . .
One family member who requested anonymity said the report did include a timeline and that [Danbury State’s Attorney Stephen] Sedensky told them during the meeting state police and Newtown officers entered the building simultaneously . . .
The first state troopers to arrive at the school came from Troop A in Southbury. Sources with knowledge of the investigation said many of them went in the school through a door that was smashed open by members of the Statewide Narcotics Task Force on the corner of the building near the playground. Others went through the glass window that Lanza shot out. Newtown police entered through the rest of the school and the boiler room.
As we surmised, the Newtown cops did not follow active shooter protocol: enter upon arrival, locate and engage the threat with all due speed. Children died while the cops rallied.
Dispatch records indicate that about three minutes after the initial 911 call, a dispatcher told the officers that the shooting had stopped and the school was in lockdown. Within a minute of that report, the dispatcher alerted officers that teachers could hear shooting and states the “shooter is apparently still shooting in the officer area.”
We still don’t know the exact chain of events. But it’s now clear that some members of the Newtown police force arrived, waited for backup, then entered. Whether the first responding police officers could have prevented some of those deaths may be a moot point for the parents of the victims and survivors, but it’s not for those of us who have children in school.
We need to know exactly what went wrong that horrible day, so that deficiencies can be addressed and children’s lives protected. One thing’s for certain: the post-Newtown “debate” over civilian disarmament would have been different if this information had come to light soon after the shooting. As it should have.
Shame on the Connecticut police and Constitution State politicians for sacrificing children’s safety on the altar of their personal, professional and political ambitions.
So I guess now we can put actual time into the saying that when seconds count the police are only (8) minutes away?
or more, depending on if the responding officer wants to even bother trying to stop the carnage.
From the local LEOs I talk with, SOP says go in immediately, find and deal with active shooter w/o waiting for backup
Maybe the regs vary by State?
My biggest concern is how do you get off the NICS registry if falsely or maliciously added by some physician or clerk? NICS has an appeal form; however, several of the people that have talked to me about their appeal process have indicated that they had to hire a lawyer and it took from $4,000 – $6,000 in legal fees and almost a year to get their name cleared.
I don’t know if I can necessarily blame the LEO without knowing some more details. What this does tell you is something that we all already know – most (not all) cops will not sacrifice their lives for your’s. This is why your own personal security and safety shouldn’t be left to someone else.
I can certainly blame him- while there may be no legal requirement for police in general to act in defense of others, there is certainly a moral requirement in every non federal department I have ever heard of. There was a semi-active shooter situation near where I live back in April, and the first officers only waited as long as it took to grab rifles and chamber a round. About five seconds, I think.
If this report is correct, he most likely failed to follow his training and he certainly failed to uphold his oath. Not everyone is capable of doing what needs to be done in a situation like that, but if he was measured and found wanting, he needs to find another job.
Citizens can’t keep and bear arms in schools but the Police won’t respond to active shooters.
Nice.
But, but, Robert, actually going in to try to protect the children would have meant ignoring the most important thing in the known universe: Officer Safety.
I’m curious to see if this police report will contain ballistics. There has been wide speculation as to the actual caliber, therefore firearm(s) used.
Truth be told, only members of our AI will take anything home from the potential findings that no .223 casings/bullets were to be found. The media and libturds have done their damage already in demonizing AR’s in a sickening exploitation of these innocent children.
The coroner reported after his examinations that all of the victims had been shot with .223. There were numerous empty or semi-empty AR mags littering the floor. With as many rounds fired as reported, do you really think he used a handgun (other than to end himself)? Why is this an issue?
I ask again:
“Is THIS what you meant, Natalie?”
If this is what they are willing to release, what F-up’s are they still hiding by not releasing the report?
That’s probably going to get some child shot and run over by an MRAP.
I shoot at sticky notes. Really cheap and can be stuck/taped to all kinds of target surfaces. If I can hit a sticky note, I should be good..
I take 2″ wide masking tape and rip 2″ squares off the roll. I put 20 of these on as diamonds, 3″ apart, on 24″ x 36″ targets. I save my bucks for ammo 🙂
only our 17 and 18 year old warriors in the military (not excluding anyone) are brave enough to rush into danger. how shameful.
I have come to discover that most warriors are more afraid of shame, regret, and failure more than danger, bodily harm or death, their biggest fear was always letting someone down.The first responding officers were likely not of this caliber.
Thug steals watch…can’t shoot thug…mission accomplished.
Because I run my own business, I get a LOT of boxes shipped to my house. I like to break them down and then draw my own targets using whatever character fits my mood at the time (I’m a comic book artist by profession). So every range trip tends to be a different target experience.
That’s cool
Thanks. The people I bring, often first time shooters typically enjoy it. Sometimes I tailor the target to the shooter.
Lots of Dirty Bird zombie rats. There was a sale.
All the more reason to be against “gun-free zones” and civilian disarmament. I’m not surprised at all. Do I necessarily blame the man? Maybe, maybe he should not have signed up to be a cop.
Open-carrying is NOT the same as wielding a firearm in your hand, regardless of muzzle awareness and trigger discipline. If its not slung/holstered on your hip or shoulder, its not open carry.
But, but, but officers deserve to go home at the end of the shift.
We ALL deserve to go home at the end of our shift. I shouldn’t need to depend on ANYONE else to tell me that’s alright.
All the Leos went home after the shift. Mission accomplished. What’s the beef?
I use the 2012 electoral map and shoot out the blue parts.
Depends on who I’m with. Newbies, anti’s, or on-the-fencees, usually something silly and fun like a toxic waste zombie rat or something to keep it light and entertaining. If it’s just the two of us or I’m alone, then the more basic B-27 target. I prefer something not too busy graphically, so that I can more easily see from a distance where shots land as fired.
Speed, Surprise and Violence of Action, just not when it comes time to save lives. CT has become the unconstitutional state, sorry to any patriots stuck there.
Speed, Surprise and Violence of Action, just not when it comes time to save lives. CT has become the unconstitutional state, sorry to any patriots stuck there.
I remember watching the shooting at Columbine live on TV. They had a small army of cops just hanging outside the school, nobody went inside the school for what seemed like an eternity. Even then I remember questioning that sort of ‘do nothing and wait until it’s safe for US to go in’ approach by the authorities, it was quite disturbing. Apparently nothing has changed since then. Legions of cops will show up, but will make sure to remain at safe distance, leaving the victims inside at the mercy of the shooter.
Indoors, whatever paper targets I have handy. Outdoors, I prefer “reactive” targets like cans, plastic bottles and steel, but paper is okay too, especially for sighting in.
I remember watching the shooting at Columbine live on TV. They had a small army of cops just hanging outside the school, nobody went inside the school for what seemed like an eternity. Even then I remember questioning that sort of ‘do nothing and wait until it’s safe for US to go in’ approach by the authorities, it was quite disturbing. Apparently nothing has changed since then. Legions of cops will show up, but will make sure to remain at safe distance, leaving the victims inside at the mercy of the shooter.
Having been stationed at Ft. Hood for 21 months, I can tell you that local PD’s take no crap from military members, as a matter of fact, local LEO’s seem to go out of their way to harass and try to intimidate military personnel…
Every Marine a rifleman.
That sickens me. Even alone, I would have had to try. With backup minutes or seconds out the first man in could have attempted engagement or at least located and isolated the shooter. This could have coordinated the effort. As a 2 man unit the approach would’ve been a no-brainer.
This needs to be widely addressed. This tragedy has been used to demonize the only people who would have acted decisively in their children’s defense. Of course now the iron is cold and it will be treated as conjecture or speculation despite being fact. Stupid media.
ugh, good info, bad teacher. Less Yeager please, unless it’s about him lying about the Resûme or getting his permit pulled
It’s people like this that shouldn’t have legal access to any type of firearm, and we all know that the legality issue would not stop them…Threaten me with a gun, and I’ll end you, simple as that…
It seems to me this is even more evidence of police militarization.
The response seems in keeping with a military reaction to an unknown number of shooters in a hostile AO. Arrive on scene, observe and report, wait for back-up and gather additional intel. Then move in cautiously from as many angles as possible with overwhelming force. In other words this seems less like a police response to an active shooter and more like an urban engagement by a small military force.
Gee ,sure funny how New York and Mass have by far,the worst gun crimes in the country.Every state that professes ‘common sense’gun control have more murder per capita than states that allow conceal carry.But again MAIG,MDA, are not interested in facts,unless they made them up.
COWARDS!!!
So my first question was, if the locals entered at the same time as the State Police, when did the Staties arrive and enter? Wouldn’t that set the time line?
Anyone who puts their faith in a sign on a door banning the carrying of weapons is a fool.
Are you telling me that plastic signs do not stop crime? That’s unpossible!
I don’t know about other states, but the requirements for a sign disallowing legal concealed firearms are very precise. A simple “no firearms allowed” sign means nothing.
We know that “protect and server” no longer has any meaning, maybe we can change it to “cower and hide.”
MAS-49/56 it’s a great and very efficient gun. I like the pictures also…
Every crime against humanity begins with dehumanizing the other side.
Why does anyone expect civilian disarmament proponents to be any different?
Wait a minute Nick, I thought you were going to give appropriate attribution to Miguel. What gives?
Great write up. Think I’ll mosey on over to their web site and look around. I’ve got an old vest in the shop I can use for a target.
All the talk here and elsewhere about “Texas is not as firearms friendly as X” fails to factor in the intangibles. Most(not all probably but I have not found them) law enforcement from TXDPS on down love them some concealed carrying armed citizens.
Anecdotal evidince and my personal experience: TK’s post from a few days ago. (too lazy to link it)
Granted the cost and hoops are shaded toward “onerous”, but we did just get a reduction in the amount of class time which gave a corresponding reduction in class cost.
Wow. Suddenly I want a Benelli M4.
VangComp Remington 870. Tighter shot pattern, reliable with all types of 12ga ammo, and the best part? Legal in all U.S. States and municipalities. Unlike the two shoguns in the photo above.
And so again, it’s much more important to go home safe and cozy at the end of the shift than to save lives.
Pathetic unionized shift workers. Only this time their sloth caused untold grief for innumerable law-abiding citizens in states all across the US [I refuse to use the neo-fascist term “homeland”.].
Troop A in Southbury is Exit 14/15 on 84. The school is closest to Exit 10 but you can also use Exit 11.
Use Google maps, even at high speed the police are minutes away. Ditto for Newtown Police station.
It was over except maybe for the shooter to kill himself.
The fallacy that calling the police can save you when the threat is right on top of you.
Some departments do not allow lone police officers to go into that situation by themselves. The “wait for backup” is part of the SOP. That said, ‘allowed to’ and ‘able to’ are two different things. I am sure that an average police officer could have taken down the shooter. If not death by cop, the shooter would have committed suicide far sooner. Further, let’s say the cop never kills the shooter and the shooter never kills himself. Having suppressive fire would allow more victims to escape to safety as the shooter would be occupied with the cop.
they wanna limit mags to 10 rounds so a perp has to reload more for a chance to save more lives, but when the cops just stand outside, theres a lot of unanswered reloading going on
War?
Oh, ok, I’m fine with that.
What is the heck is Happening to the Great State of Texas ?
No matter what hate speach they through at us, they still can’t get pased the American public or the congress. Also if for some reason they do get it passed, trying to implement it would couse a cival war. I sure would not give my firearms up.
I wanted to say Kirsten should wear some more appropriate footwear. But, on further reflection, I’m just fine with those high-heeled, knee-high, *leather* jobs.
I have this airsoft gun from a previous year in clear plastic, as well as the BB (.177 cal) version. The BB gun is definitely more accurate. Both will actually accept a streamlight or similar weapon light on their rails, as well as fit in the same holster as a Smith M&P that they were modeled after.
http://Www.evike.com has best prices, but has issues with stuff being on backorder. AirsoftGI is another good source. I have a Beretta and a Glock. With the orange tip painted black, even people considered experts can have issues identifying the difference. Even disassembled. Same weight and feel, fits in molded holsters the same.
Same thing with quality M-4s, even military personnel who carried the m-4 months in the desert can’t tell the difference.
Accuracy is never going to be close. With a smooth bore and a round plastic BB it is difficult, but with higher quality guns and BBs, it is decent at close range. Certainly “ok” at inside house ranges.
Great for training for drawing and engaging target. An accidental discharge will give you instant feedback during transition training or CQB without the potential lethal consequences.
Maybe they should focus on disarming the people doing all the shooting in Camden, Detroit, St. Louis, California and of course Chicago. Once that is successful we can talk about other places.
I’ll await the results right over here.
Being someone who occasionally lurks at 4chan’s weapons board (/k/), i can clearly say that this mouthbreather is a troll.
Stay frosty, gents.
One might wonder, what kind of poor, wimpy bastids are these harpies married to?
Creating a shortage of doctors, we wondered where the new Obamacare plastic surgeons would come from!
I think M.D.A. are RACISTS! Where are the women “of color”?
OMG! The president was killed with a bolt action rifle, the same used by hunters and sportsmen across the country. They must be banned! Think of the children! And the Presidents!
IT”S BACON! Send it!
Some years ago, I bought a Savage .32 ACP pistol that had been sitting in a desk drawer, loaded and cocked for many years. How many years? I don’t know, but the primers had a “U” stamped on them. Those haven’t been made for quite a long time. By the way, the gun functioned perfectly and all the cartridges fired like they were new!
There are quite a few wild comments on here from uninformed. The national protocol for response to an active shooter is to WAIT for at least 3 officers before entering. Similar to a military ‘wedge’ formation, the officers enter at the same time to increase the chances of eliminating the threat. There is a ‘lone wolf’ protocol when other officers aren’t available; however it is not advised because the odds are stacked against a single cop. Instead of bashing the cops maybe you should be writing your congressman to encourage better protection in the schools. Most schools have no armed protection in place but have plenty of locked doors and unarmed teachers. Why did Congress boost TSA staffing and funding so much after 9/11 but take NO action to safeguard our kids?
HORSE FEATHERS.
Bought yesterday (gen 2) and went to Range immediately. No cleanup or prep. Wanted a cheaper ammo range gun and/or carry gun. Shot over 100 rounds-115 and 124 grain bullets. HAD NO PROBLEMS!!! Repeat, NO PROBLEMS!!! Good quality-I can compare to my Glocks, Colt, Rugers and Smith and Wessons. Has a VERY even and smooth trigger pull and an expected break. DA feels exactly like my S & W Bodyguard .308 trigger pull. Both great. I like the pull amount for safety reasons. LESS recoil snap than my Glock 27 (.40)!!! Same snap as my .380. Shot all 3 guns at same session so could compare. Shot all at 7 yrds and then went to 10 yrds–every shot put in chest-head areas!! From ALL guns. No difference in accuracy. No hand discomfort after 1 1/2 hr at range. Got home and field stripped and was very clean and was lubed good from factory and looks nearly like my glock in quality. Mags were stiff to load but went home and used UpLULA and put all 10 in without any drama. Will leave in few days to see how spring loosens up.
Was worried about buying because of other reviews. Glad I bought it!!!! Thus, this gun exceeded by expectations. In my opinion, I will use as a range gun and as a carry gun. How can you go wrong for $250. Also don’t forget lifetime guarantee.
This is my first ever comment to any you tube video, wanted to give my experience in detail, so sorry for the length.
I read the gun theft story too.they had a window of like 7hrs to take all his stuff, astack on case will just make it easier to grab multiple guns in a thorough job like those guys did. Secure your safes if you can.
Shouldn’t that be “Fudd” rather than “FUD”, as in Elmer Fudd?
Henry Big Boy, .357/.38
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