In the state of Virginia, concealed carry is allowed generally everywhere, except where the owner of the property has specifically posted “no guns allowed” signs. Most stores don’t prohibit it, so law abiding citizens freely carry concealed handguns through their doors every day. Naturally, the Moms Demand Action crowd see the ability for law abiding citizens to be able to defend themselves as a problem and have decided to inject themselves into the situation . . .
Last week, they succeeded in bullying the Staples store’s manager into putting up a “no guns allowed” sign and they trumpeted their success on Facebook. Naturally, every comment disagreeing with their point of view has disappeared down the black hole of the delete button. However, despite the lack of opposition apparent in their comments, gun owners were more than a little peeved that a store in their area had been intimidated into banning citizens from legally performing an activity which they are properly licensed to perform and wasn’t hurting a single person. So they fought back. And won.
Guess what – the demanding moms weren’t amused.
What makes this situation so interesting is that both sides used the same tactics, and yet the MDAers labeled gun owners as “gun bullies” while portraying themselves as angelic crusaders. In their minds, no matter what gun rights supporters do, if it impedes their plans in any way those gun rights people become “gun bullies.”
It’s more of the same — gun owners are evil, nasty, disgusting low-lifes simply because they own guns. The escalation of rhetoric against gun owners is the reason I keep seeing comments pop up on every gun-related article I read stating that the NRA is a “terrorist organization” and is actively killing children. They’ve finally realized that they can’t win on the facts — there are no facts to support their disarmament agenda — so they’ve moved on to blaming gun owners for all the ills of the world in an effort to paint them as uncaring low-life scum, unworthy of consideration as human beings.
Not to go all Godwin, but wasn’t that the first step towards cattle cars sometime last century?
[via Gun Free Zone]
UPDATE: So, it turns out that the Moms Demand Action crowd made this story up in its entirety. The main point of the article is still valid — that they have a double standard that makes feminists’ claims seem tame by comparison — but they are liars too. Click here for the whole truth.
Hmm…vital information withheld until the gun debate ends? Coincidence no?
Reading the comments, quit frankly I don’t see what he did wrong, sure his intervention could have saved lives, but entering a situation with no information on the shooter or layout would generally be a bad idea right? I can see why he’s being attacked but would it have made any sense to go in blind? On one hand he didn’t do what he was “trained” to do, but on the other police are generally told to wait for backup in hostile situations. Im not attempting to start a shit storm but it seems as though most of the hate is based on pure emotion for the situation rather then what aspects of the situation demand.
I guess he should sit and wait until someone comes in with blueprints ans they can get their whole crew set up and play follow the leader through the halls. No way I could have sat in my car hearing gunfire and know he was shooting at kids and teachers and done nothing.
They’re leftists, so being intellectually dishonest and hypocritical is pretty much a requirement in their totalen krieg to bring about their utopia (dystopia) and equality for all.
A utopia in which they, naturally, will be more equal than anyone else. Fascists.
#AntiGunBullies
#GunShaming
Is that like pet shaming? I think I’ll do that next time I go shooting and one of my guns jam. I’ll make a placard that says “I choked on Tula .223 and my owner pinched his finger trying to extract the case” and post it on Instagram or something.
It’s a play on the terms fatshaming and slutshaming
Ah. Well, Hello Droll, I’m Obtuse.
#MomNazis
Eew there she is again. You can just see the joy oozing from the mans face.
LOL @ MDA
They should file a “hurt feelings” form
http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/legalfiles/gates_letter_sept09/attach_1.pdf
Can we please stop seeing pictures of Shannon Watts? She makes me want to throw up every time I see her smug mug. Also, I thought we talked a bit about not giving these idiots any more press. TTAG is the only place where they get consistent exposure. Hell, even the Brady’s don’t get this kind of coverage.
No; keep the updates coming. I want to continue to be informed about the enemies’ activities, and I like it when my blood boils; my resolve it reinvigorated.
Plus I like looking at Watts’ pig-nosed face, it’s an interesting contrast of pretty/ugly.
I usually print off targets from targetz.com
costs me virtually nothing on a high yield laser printer, the toner and paper is all a work expense for me.
check them out. lots of good targets for printing.
Those signs don’t carry much weight in the commonwealth. They can ask you to leave but that’s about it.
Travon or pig targets
Those round Obama/Biden 2012 magnets make great targets but it’s getting hard to find people obtuse enough to still have them on their cars.
If this report is true, it sickens me that a fellow Officer would wait when he knew there was an active shooter inside an elementary school.
Damn his fear.
I’ve taken several ‘Active Shooter’ classes through ALERRT in the last few years. Every single time we were told not to hesitate to run towards the gunfire, regardless of our numbers. Our instructors would drill it into our heads that it could be our child that was about to be shot, or have us imagine telling a mother & father that there child was dead because we were scared and wanted to wait for more Officers while some psychopath had free reign over a classroom full of children.
As a former active duty Marine and current SRO, hell even as a man, I cannot fathom waiting for additional Officers to arrive in that situation. I have already made peace with the fact I may not come home to my wife one night, but that is the price I am willing to pay so that others may live. I will gladly lay my life down for others so they may return to their families and loved ones. My wife understands this, as well as my family and have accepted this fact. If other Officers have not accepted this fact, they need to seek life elsewhere.
This Officer, if found to have shown cowardice in the line of duty, should face full disciplinary action. I hope he will find the strength to live with the knowledge that he could have saved people that day. I do pity him in this regard.
Pathetic.
The group, “Moms Demand Victims” is both well-funded and coached by Bloomberg and his cronies so it’s no surprise that they all operate in much the same way.
I can’t imagine just sitting there like a b@tch. I would rather take a bullet trying to save those kids than go home a coward.
The parting cry of Spartan mothers to their sons was “Come back with your shield- or on it.”
Why was it socially acceptable for a Spartan to return from battle without his helmet but he must have his shield? Because the soldier puts the helmet on to protect himself. The shield is for the protection of his comrades too.
This cop came home without his shield.
If you’re interested in bb pistols, you might want to check out the Tanfoglio Witness 1911, also available from Pyramyd, which closely matches the heft and feel of the Colt 1911 autoloader, and also features blow-back action (slide cycles with each pull of the trigger, and locks back when you’ve fired the last shot in the magazine). And this pistol doesn’t have that little orange muzzle tip that those who want their bb guns to look realistic find so annoying, and that sometimes messes up your being able to seat the pistol properly in a holster..
Whether you go in alone or not is highly dependent on the situation. For example: If it is quiet, (no active shooting) your odds of survival and actually helping the situation could be pretty low solo. An ambush is not something you are likely to win. There is a good argument here for waiting for a second to go in with you. Now if there is active shooting and it sounds like a solo shooter you have a much better chance of stopping the threat.
I can’t see a justification for parking a quarter mile away.
If you have a twitter account, and I think you can do it on Facebook too, just start tagging other stuff with the Gun Bullies tag. Even better, start using their stuff with the tag #TheRealGunBullies
If you like you can use this one to start…
http://screenchimp.com/publicshare/theRealGunBullies.png
I liked Yeager’s video. The versatility of that target and ability to get the thinking factor is especially cool. At the range, I most often tack a paper plate and make a dot with a bingo marker. Of course, it’s very soul satisfying to ding steel.
LOL… I read some of the comments and other postings on their Facebook page. Truly MDA panders to their low intelligence members.
Can anybody link to police SOPs in an active shooter scenario? The only one I found was on wikipedia. I’m actually pretty curious what the specifics are when a shooting goes down.
gun owners are evil, nasty, disgusting low-lifes simply because they own guns
Hate is a critical element of a culture war. It’s a lot easier for them to kill someone that they hate.
As for Ms. Twatts, she’s just in it for the money, but she’s very good at manipulating the weak of mind.
Thow is ridiculous; mexico has one of the hardes laws in gun end ammo control but you all can see the violence there,always will be illigal vendors and black markets.
It just goes to show you…if you put ALL your faith in the police to protect you, that you can’t count on them to risk their lives for you…and it’s not reasonable to expect they can be everywhere you are.
You know who is everywhere you are? You. If you are carrying…you are the first responder…and you will risk your life for your family. A cop won’t. Don’t get me wrong, cops are heroes…but they want to go home to their families too. Only you will risk it all for your family. Be the first responder or be a statistic.
I feel confident most TTAG’ers would have gone in, armed or not. I propose the word “hero” be removed forthwith from all discussions about the police.
Paper targets out to 100 yards. 200 to 500 yards clay pigeons glued to paper plates.
Demonization of the opposition simply means that it’s a culture war.
As far as the strategy goes, it is clear that the enormous growth of the legality and popularity of concealed carry over the last 30 years is a major bulwark against the loss of gun rights, which is why the antis are so keen on reversing it. They are to be resisted on this.
My father used to tell every single politician and campaign worker who came to our door that he was going to vote for them. If I were the manager, I would do the same thing.
MDA: Will you put up “no guns allowed signs”?
Manager: Yes.
[Weeks later…]
MDA: I thought you said you were going to put up “no guns allowed” signs!
Manager: I lied.
MDA: So will you put the signs up now?
Manager: “Sure.”
The 7.62×39 is not “inherently” inaccurate…the cheap run-of-the-mill stamped WASR-10 is what is inherently inaccurate. Yes, the 7.62×39 does not shoot as flat of a trajectory as 5.56 or even 300 BLK, that doesn’t mean you can’t easily shoot out to 200-300- hell even 500m. The only thing you will have to be mindful of is that the bullet will drop more and your hold-over will be higher due to the arch in the bullet trajectory.
My 100% reliable AR-15 in 7.62×39 fires 1 to 1.5 MOA @100 yards with brass cased American Eagle or Fiocci and 2-2.5 MOA with the thousands of Wolf and Tula rounds I put through it.
The AR platform works fine with the round, you just need to be mindful of the necessary modifications needed, i.e. M4 feedramps, extended/enhanced firing pin, stronger extractor, stronger buffer spring and heavier buffer, and RELIABLE properly curved magazines to accomodate for the taper in the round, (ASC mags work best). Nothing crazy, simple components that are pretty easily available, there just aren’t more AR’s in this caliber due to the misinformation spread by articles like this one…
Mrs. Watts. How does your child eat? Does he/she get enough whole grains? Does he/she get enough fruits and vegetables each day, you know most children don’t. 60 minutes of exercise with his/her mother each day might be hard to find time for with all of that campaigning you do. Do you own a swimming pool or trampoline? Is your medicine cabinet locked? Do you know who your child spends their time at school with?
If you can’t answer these questions correctly…then your priorities as a mother are messed up.
I just use the range targets, but I may start doing the paper plate idea or something. That sounds instructive.
TAI must be labeled as Bullies because there are laws to Punish Bullies, and if this ‘selfie’ obsessed narcissist can make a bunch of Bloomberg’s money in the process, so much the better!
snark-gasam
I kinda feel sorry for that store manager. Like Starbucks, he got dragged into a fight he most likely wanted no part of. He’s just trying to sell ink cartridges and pencils. No doubt he got tired of being badgered by these five or six “moms” and gave in, figuring that would be the end of it. But of course, our side has a much deeper bench and much louder voices than a few bored housewives, so he probably got ten times the response from pro-rights people. Now he doesn’t know whether to shit or go blind, and all he really wants to do is meet his numbers so his district manager will get off his ass…
Am I the only one who hates it when people misuse the phrase “weapons of mass destruction”? It has a technical definition, it’s not just “that thing that I don’t understand”.
For the lulz~
This guy was serious??
I thought it was perfect satire if not, then he is a nut and doesn’t deserve the time of day.
What bodies? I don’t see any bodies, and I have all my teeth thank you.
Yes because these things worked so well in South America and Europe.
Black people die just like everyone else, its called life. If your afraid of them being shot by some gangbanger, then give them a gun to help at least make it even. Ever notice crime goes down when the people are armed? And should I assume you don’t care about people of other races?
Get over Treyvon, he was a racist drug dealing thug.
What war? The one in your head? A war constitutes two or more opposing forces at each others throats, a number of people screaming racism over an unrelated topic they know nothing about while the rest of us go about our lives isn’t a war, you are a nuisance. And a good 3rd of this country doesn’t even agree with you.
You are ether an excellent troll or completely diluted.
Here are some signs the MAD (Mothers Against Defense) might like to pass out:
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/an-iq-test-for-criminals-and-liberals/
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/an-amusing-look-at-gun-free-zones/
http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2012/06/16/excellent-gun-control-cartoon/
I am getting tired of that organization disparaging the name of Moms! Instead of bringing respectability to their cause, their cause is bringing dishonor to Moms.
I’m not sure which Bush they’re saying is from Florida; I know the answer, but I don’t get the feeling they do. 🙂
Your comment really dimpled my chads, Bill.
That cop got to go home unscathed after the incident. Shame the teachers and students didn’t.
Most police are now revenue collection agents instead of law enforcement.
Not really apropos to this particular thread, but I thought this item might be of interest:
http://www.humanevents.com/2013/11/22/david-goliath-and-colorados-next-gun-rights-recall/
The true violence is fatherless morally bereft thuggish dope dealing gangsta teenaged n****rs killing each other over turf & just because they have a gun that was obtained illegally be it stolen, bought or traded from another thug. Now I know I’ll be labeled a racist for telling this hard cold truth but, frankly Scarlett I don’t give a damn. In the words of Michael Berry “How you like that BOY!”
Nazi uniforms!
I really like this post.
I don’t just like it, I like like it.
Like in high school.
I am pretty tired of hearing about Trackingpoint.
Question. Lets say complete and total chaos, anarchy, civil war, maybe an invading force/country event takes place. Who will these moms hide behind? Would they be thankful if a neighbor wielding a gun prevents the rape and murder of their kids. Or themselves? What will be their response? Please don’t hurt me or my kids, we’re against guns. Don’t bring guns in my house, we don’t like them. Are these moms against the military when they are called upon to defend us or others? Should we have just sat on our hand during WWII? Ignorance breeds stupidity.
That’s the thing about the MDA crowd – they want civilians disarmed, but if you’re wearing a badge and a uniform, you’re as gods to them and can do no wrong. They’ll find out how noble their badged protectors are when push comes to shove.
You can fool some of the people some of the time …
MDA, Everytown etc are all part and parcel of this same scam.
But politicians do it all the time!