A tweet from Cody Wilson reveals the truth about the Liberator pistol project: the D0D has requested that Defense Distributed remove their files from the internet, and Cody Wilson has complied. Clicking on the Downloads tab at defcad.org yields this message: “DEFCAD files are being removed from public access at the request of the US Department of Defense Trade Controls. Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information.” The DoD Trade Controls office is technically part of the State Department. As libertyandsuch.com points out, the mega-minds in the .gov are apparently some of the last people to figure out how the internet really works. DefDist’s CAD files are still available here. For now. According to forbes.com . . .
Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance [full text below] demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org.
The government says it wants to review the files for compliance with arms export control laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.
“Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with final [commodity jurisdiction] determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled,” reads the letter, referring to a list of ten CAD files hosted on Defcad that include the 3D-printable gun, silencers, sights and other pieces. “This means that all data should be removed from public acces immediately. Defense Distributed should review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any other data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.”
Not an unexpected development. Nor unwelcome by Mr. Wilson. “This is the conversation I want,” Wilson told Forbes. “Is this a workable regulatory regime? Can there be defense trade control in the era of the Internet and 3D printing?” It looks like we’re going to find out. Here’s the letter from the DOD:
United States Department of State
Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
Offense of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
May 08, 2013
In reply letter to DTCC Case: 13-0001444
[Cody Wilson’s address redacted]
Dear Mr. Wilson,
The Department of State, Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance, Enforcement Division (DTCC/END) is responsible for compliance with and civil enforcement of the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2778) (AECA) and the AECA’s implementing regulations, the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (22 C.F.R. Parts 120-130) (ITAR). The AECA and the ITAR impose certain requirements and restrictions on the transfer of, and access to, controlled defense articles and related technical data designated by the United States Munitions List (USML) (22 C.F.R. Part 121).
The DTCC/END is conducting a review of technical data made publicly available by Defense Distributed through its 3D printing website, DEFCAD.org, the majority of which appear to be related to items in Category I of the USML. Defense Distributed may have released ITAR-controlled technical data without the required prior authorization from the Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC), a violation of the ITAR.
Technical data regulated under the ITAR refers to information required for the design, development, production, manufacture, assembly, operation, repair, testing, maintenance or modification of defense articles, including information in the form of blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. For a complete definition of technical data, see 120.10 of the ITAR. Pursuant to 127.1 of the ITAR, it is unlawful to export any defense article or technical data for which a license or written approval is required without first obtaining the required authorization from the DDTC. Please note that disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or tranferring technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad, is considered an export under 120.17 of the ITAR.
The Department believes Defense Distributed may not have established the proper jurisdiction of the subject technical data. To resolve this matter officially, we request that Defense Distributed submit Commodity Jurisdiction (CJ) determination requests for the following selection of data files available on DEFCAD.org, and any other technical data for which Defense Distributed is unable to determine proper jurisdiction:
- Defense Distributed Liberator pistol
- .22 electric
- 125mm BK-14M high-explosive anti-tank warhead
- 5.56/.223 muzzle brake
- Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly
- Sound Moderator – slip on
- “The Dirty Diane” 1/2-28 to 3/4-16 STP S3600 oil filter silencer adapter
- 12 gauge to .22 CB sub-caliber insert
- Voltlock electronic black powder system
- VZ-58 sight
DTCC/END requests that Defense Distributed submits its CJ requests within three weeks of the receipt of this letter and notify this office of the final CJ determinations. All CJ requests must be submitted electronically through an online application using the DS-4076 Commodity Jurisdiction Request Form. The form, guidance for submitting CJ requests, and other relevant information such as a copy of the ITAR can be found on DDTC’s website at http://www.pmddtc.state.gov.
Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with the final CJ determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled. This means that all such data shoudl be removed form public access immediately. Defense Distributed should also review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any additional data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.
Additionally, DTCC/END requests information about the procedures Defense Distributed follows to determine the classification of its technical data, to include aforementioned technical data files. We ask that you provide your procedures for determining proper jurisdiction of technical data within 30 days of the date of this letter to Ms. Bridget Van Buren, Compliance Specialist, Enforcement Division, at the address below.
Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance
PM/DTCC, SA-1, Room L132
2401 E Street, NW
Washington, DC 20522
Phone 202-663-3323<
We appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please note our reference number in any future correspondence.
Sincerely,
Glenn E. Smith
Chief, Enforcement Division
Can someone post a list of states that already passed or are waiting for the governor sign that style of law?
Buh-BYE.
Here, here! Wish it would happen around here in the Occupied Zone.
Whatever else does happens, with Colorado going Left, Montana going Right, New York going Nuts and now Missouri taking this courageous stand, the result will surely be a hearing and venting of the whole mess – the billions of gun laws in existence and lately passed – before the Supreme Court at a time when we have the best prospects for a favorable outcome.
The “Show-Me” state has shown us the way – bless’em all.
Remember, folks: Guns are only safe in the hands of trained law-enforcement officers.
A fair point. I really should be glad that this situation has been resolved with some measure of justice, but my heart is just not in it when there’s a dead kid in the mix. I just hope people take this as a lesson about the responsibility attached to owning a firearm, and that a badge on your shirt does not exempt you from not being imprudent with the tools of your trade.
1. The total of Retailer Gun Dealers Busineses is between 46,000 at mimin to Maxium is 48,000 (01) F.F.L.s holders too! Is left in the 50 States too! The Latest report too!!
And now it begins.. Well that sucks!
I don’t think they will charge him with anything yet, they will just try and stop that which can not be stopped!
Too late. Someone’s in trouble for not seeing this coming. Cody Wilson for President.
What? He’s not old enough? Obama’s not CITIZEN enough.
Land of the Free, and the Home of the Brave…my a$$. Welcome to the NWO. Guess they got tired of trying to take away the 2nd ammendment…gonna work on the 1st a bit now…
If you haven’t been paying attention, we’ve had “free speech zones” since Bush. When a guy in norway cracked the DVD encryption routine, the state dept had the guy arrested and prosecuted in Norway for it (for violating the international treaty that the US forced on trading partners with the DMCA).
We haven’t had free speech in a long time, and if a “new world order” comes from anywhere, it comes from the US.
Yeah I think they are technically violating his first amendment rights as well but it’s not like this will do anything nor should it.
Once the idea of a printable gun is public knowledge (Thanks MSM!!), that idea can’t be removed by simply making the files unavailable. All you need is a CAD program and you can make your own designs. And if you have a 3-D printer, you probably have access to a CAD program as well.
Is this really that difficult to understand, DoD??
And they’re already available and will continue to be. It’s the same reason you never post pictures online you font want people to see. Once they’re out there they’re out there.
This is about sharing information…
http://www.amazon.com/The-Anarchist-Cookbook-William-Powell/dp/1607965232/ref=pd_sim_b_4
For $17 this book will teach you how to turn a clicker pen into a bomb that will blow somebody’s hand off, or how to make explosives with every day items… I have the right to buy this, and learn how to kill anybody I want. I won’t, and even if I knew I wouldn’t kill anybody, but the fact remains, until I break the law the government has no right to restrict my knowledge. Likewise, they have no right to restrict the knowledge of how to manufacture and assemble a gun in my garage, whether I use a lathe, press, milling machine, and welder, or a 3d printer. It is unconstitutional. It is wrong. And it is about freedom of information much more than it is about guns… He isn’t selling any guns, he is giving away pretty drawings of guns created in fancy 3d modeling software suites… That is all…
I have that book. Some of it is outdated, but a lot of it is fascinating.
A lot of the stuff in that book is fairly dangerous. If you have experience and know what you are doing, it’s got some good stuff, but history is full of kids who bought it and then tried to duplicate some of the more explosive experiments with rather unpleasant results.
The Anarchist Cookbook was cool 30 years ago and one of the few placed to find it’s sort of content. Today, you can generally find better info on the ‘Net
I bought this book about 40 years ago. This is a reprint but still a fun book to read. I just wonder where my copy went.
Alex Jones’s head is going to explode….I don’t have a 3D printer but I’ve got the file anyway.
I don’t have a 3d printer but I downloaded all of the defdist files anyway and have shared them with others who don’t even have internet access.
924 isn’t a “small sample size.”
I will tell my children stories of what it was like to live in a Free Country…
Hey, not all is lost yet. We’re hitting a breaking point, but we don’t yet know which way it’ll break.
You yourself have no idea what it’s like living in a free country, despite your shaky memory telling you that did at some undetermined point in the past (presumably the golden age before Obama came into office). In 1920 the United States prohibited the consumption of alcohol – demonstrably defining the country as not “free”, and of course it hadn’t been “free” for many years before that either. I doubt you are over a hundred.
If anybody here actually was old enough to remember what this country was like when it was “free” his name would probably be “chief” something, and rather than talk about how “free” he was he would most likely talk about how hard life was without modern society, and how much he hated having to shit in a hole in the ground.
All you freedom loving baggers are more than welcome to move to Somalia and tell us how you get on in your Randian paradise – I for one would love to hear about that, rather than yet more whining about how we are not “free” any more.
Troll spotted.
This is the correct thing to do. That said…as stupid as he was…I do feel immense sadness for a man who lost his child.
Just a housecleaning note, but looks like the request came from the Department of Defense Trade Controls, which is a subgroup of Dept. of State, not DoD.
Just a subtle difference there.
The thought police have struck.
Has anyone alerted al gore that the gubment is messing with his internet?
Bittorrent magnet link:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:C862F0D031E575384ACC6BACC2BE7D705666D5BF&dn=DefDist_DEFCAD_MEGA_PACK_v4.2_%28Saito%29&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce
The internet was designed to route around damage. This is pure persecution by a rogue government, accomplishing nothing.
The gov’t going the ITAR route is interesting. ITAR covers a lot of stuff, or can depending on interpretation. This is all about sending ITAR controlled data, or that in their opinion, data that should be ITAR controlled, data outside of the US. My brief stint in defense exposed me to some of the ITAR stuff. You can’t even share with people of your own company if they aren’t US citizens. Basically they are saying that you should have checked with us before allowing potential foreign access because we might determine the data is ITAR controlled. You can’t know it’s ITAR controlled until you ask.
If you buy firearms, parts, and optics, you will have come across the ITAR disclaimer on lots of items.
Wait. He gave up after receiving a letter like that? LOL When I worked as a corporate attorney we sent out crap like that all the time. You send it out, see if scares somebody into complying, and laugh when they do.
Threatening letters are lazy, real lawsuits take time, and government attorneys ALWAYS say “No, you can’t do that.” I’ve worked for the Feds too- they’d stamp everything Top Secret if they could, even used toilet paper.
I bet they even send these letters to Al Qaeda. “Dear Jihadi, your diagram of explosive-laden pressure cookers is in violation of…”
I think Wilson knows this as good as anybody. He’s a law student after all.
However, he is playing their bluff, and winning. He knows that generating fear and publicity will only further his point: That you’d can’t control information in the information age.
Cody’s point is that you can’t control technology in the age to come.
You want to close Defcad? Ok, we’ll close Defcad.
Millions are now torrenting and sharing this file. More so than before the letter was sent. This is only the beginning.
Myself and 100 million other people downloaded the Liberator, AR Lower, and AR Standard Capacity Magazine CAD files. I can assure everyone Cody’s projects will remain available for downloading for a very long time. Whether its on http://defcad.org, which is were it belongs, or the darker side of the internet is up to the Feds.
I’ve been seeding these files on torrents for a few months now. No stopping it. Nice try, DOD!
“This is the conversation I want,” Wilson told Forbes. “Is this a workable regulatory regime? Can there be defense trade control in the era of the Internet and 3D printing?”
I appreciate this man’s cajones but copying a DVD is illegal in the era of the internet so I don’t have much hope for printable guns.
Copying movies or music is illegal because the information itself is copyright protected.
Cody published his stuff for free use, so he’s not going to go around trying to sue people who copy the data.
Just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean they can enforce it.
I am envisioning the brilliant South Park episode from years and years ago when the FBI went door to door shooting people for downloading songs from Napster.
I hope there isn’t any legal risk associated with merely possessing these files.
Now what’s that line about fighting city hall?
I wonder what the difference is between downloading his files and downloading a set of schematics for a 1911 off the internet?
None.
In the pursuit of killing the second amendment, all the others must die as well, and probably first.
I will brief the information to others when I get back to my regular work detail Monday. It is not possible to undo what has been done, but we can advise others of the consequences of negligence. I only have one assembled gun that is unlocked, and it is on my hip. Carrying is a good thing, as long as it is done responsibly.
What a bunch of horse $#!t … the feds want verification that the CAD files for “Springfield XD-40 tactical slide assembly” are somehow not sensitive. The design of a slide on a common hand gun is not sensitive information.
This is just big Gov flexing its muscles and trying to intimidate We the People.
Every gun owner should download the files even if they never plan to make the gun as an act of civil defiance.
One step closer to a show-down on state vs. federal power. I hope it’s peaceful, but at this point it is hard to imagine that either side will back down solely due to a SCOTUS ruling.
There is still NOTHING available here just a rumor that DHS is tracking all home delivery of ammo
1911 or .38 j-frame depending on how I’m dressed. feel confident in both
Take that Obama !!!
Cool idea, but $200 seems high for the components involved. I’m not sure why you would even need a 3rd party for monitoring. If it connects via WiFi it should be able to send an email. “telnet smtphost 25”.
I have but one small wish…
Please, pretty please, can they rename it to the “Pew Pew Pew Research Center”?
This sounds like a perfect add-on in any situation where you think someone in your household might be tampering or “sneaking a peak” without permission.
With the recent flak over Rob Pincus and gun safes in kids’ rooms … sounds like another layer of responsibility to me.
I would buy this if not for the BS subscription 3rd party monitoring.
I have an idea for a new arduino project now though…
I’m aware of at least a dozen court cases holding that it’s okay for police departments to discriminate against candidates who are smart. I’d say that Carlile is in the heart of the police low-IQ demographic.
http://www.criminaljusticeschools.org/blog/man-ruled-too-smart-to-be-a-cop
Great for common sense safe firearm storage! I think the government ought to subsidize this for all gun owners! /sarc
No, this doesn’t surprise me. The Feds are, in this case, merely arguing that his stuff might be nothing we want in the ands of hostile foreign nationals.
I know ways of bringing down aircraft that are not detectable by currently implemented methods – as I’m certain do other chemists and engineers – but don’t publish ’em, for obvious reasons, including but not limited to the following:
– it would be bad such information to fall into enemy hands;
– such information is not relevant to the liberty of Americans, or the quest for same;
– doing so would get me into some very hot water;
– such knowledge would point the planners of Bad Things in I directions they’ve (fortunately) yet to explore;
– I’m very clever, but not a wacko.
While the “Liberator” ain’t much, it’s more than so e baddies “over there” have.
‘Course, the time to do this was long, long ago. Too late now.
This is getting exciting.
All in a few recent months we have had militarized police action and martial law in response to a crazy ex-cop;
executive orders to attack the 2nd Amendment;
militarized police action, martial law, and shelter-in-place orders in response to two young adults with a firecracker bomb;
and now censorship of open source knowledge and seizure of private property as retribution for political protest.
Ahhh, yes. This reminds me of a story from long ago: The “The t-shirt is classified as a munition” thing back in the 90’s: http://www.loundy.com/Roadside_T-Shirt.html
I hate the common ground meme. It is either constitutional, or it is not. Compromising rights because the other side is waving the bloody shirt is ridiculous. Rights need to be maintained first. People will abuse those rights and we should do what we can to stop it, but ALL systems fail to some extent. The bloody shirt brigade is screaming for the 100% prevent all death solutions and it is not realistic. Plus they are ignoring all of the studies on how firearms benefit society.
I went to Wally World this past sunday and they had roughly ~50 50rd boxes of 9mm; Federal Champion and PPU. Nothing else though. It looks like some calibers in some states are popping up in bulk but not others. It’s funny, I have more than enough 9mm FMJ but not duty/defense. As for .40 I have more than enough duty/defense but not as much FMJ.
I’ve seen this case used by the gun-grabbers; never once did any of them mention he was a cop.
Have had my PPQ in .40 and its perfect. Have shot HK’s and the Walther won out. The trigger on this beast is simply amazing, its so fast who needs full auto? Its on the large end for a concealed, but would be a great service gun. That said i can conceal it very well. I did end up paying more for mine, after purchase price on gunbroker.com and transer fees, it run me about 740.00 (decided to purchase this as the gun scare started -.-)
Only bad thing now is finding good mags, the stock ones it came with are made by MEC-GAR and they dont list them on their site.
Happy Shooting!
And teach firearms safety to your kids from a VERY early age.
Especially to the boys.
Huh? My daughter would take exception to your sentiments, and rightly so.
Regardless of how you feel about cops, and I generally support them, this illustrates a fact of life in America. It’s hard to get a jury to convict a cop, even if he’s deserving of it.
In part, that’s because the people who gather the evidence are cops, too. And prosecutors don’t push very hard, either, since they need to work with the boys in blue. All things considered, it’s amazing that any cops ever get convicted of anything.
Everyone is well conditioned.
I bought an ARX160 22lr. First I hated how it looked, then I held one, checked it out. Thought about it, bought it. Then shot it. Now I’m ready to sell my AR and get an ARX100. It is sooooo sweet.
Cody Wilson needs to watch his back.
Seriously. I’m not worried about him ending up in prison. I’m worried about him ending up dead. I don’t want to open TTAG one morning and learn that his body was fished out of a river in his car that he drove drunk over a bridge, or find out that he was discovered hanging in his closet with a regretful suicide note that was conveniently typed out…
He needs to not travel alone. He needs to not sleep alone. He needs to make it clear to everyone he knows that he is not suicidal. He needs to vary his routine, if not randomize his routine totally
I would not be at all surprised if he’s a marked-man now. He’s getting the attention of some very high-up people methinks, and his life-expectancy is dropping every time he speaks for the cameras…
Can you change the Headline for this thread? This foolishness didn’t come from DOD.
This orginates in the house of leftist politics at the Dept of State. Who apparently not only thinks they control DOD but also are the thought police.
If Pres Bush #2 had cleaned house at State when he had the chance, rather than keeping the infestation of Clintonistas, the US and world would be a much better place. The Hilary types now have over 20yr in control. Run by women and pansies.
Yes, best marriage proposal EVARRRR!!!!!
MD — guns back. No ammo or pricey.
I live in New Hampshire and I’ve seen the adds there down right nasty
She is a Republican.
I am a Democrat.
I wrote to her promising a contribution and volunteered to make calls to fellow gun owning Democrats to encourage them to put the Constitution before party loyalty.
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Riiiiiight, bc lead bullets are the most dangerous hazard for these birds that are dumb enough to eat delicious lead paint chips. None of the other manmade hazards like pollution, power lines, or habitat destruction are harming these birds, it’s 100% lead bullets doing this. What a bunch of f’in morons.
Like we all didn’t expect the most tyrannical regime in American history to come after a symbol of freedom and self-reliance? One more nail in the coffin.
The founding fathers would be shooting by now.
Your sentiment is understood, but if you look at the history of events, we tried absolutely everything we could to avoid war – even up to debating whether or not we really should or shouldn’t fight after people in Massachusetts had been gunned down.
Once the gloves came off, they completely came off and many men showed a heroic streak of character that has stood them as legends ever since. But up until that moment came, they much preferred to remain farmers and bookkeepers.
The same thing we’re going to do until the moment comes.
It must really hurt leftists’ damaged psyches that truth and fact are not at all parallel with their worldview. I can’t imagine living every day knowing, even on a subconscious level, that I’m wrong about every single facet of life. What miserable, pathetic excuses for sentient life they are.
If there were a leftist and a hamster trapped in a burning building, I’d save the one that’s the most intelligent, rational, and valuable. And probably some extra wood chips for his cage also.
She’s also a shooter. I met her at a gun show in Concord.
No surprise.
how is it any different then any other blueprint? i mean: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/lowerblueprint.pdf took all of 5 seconds on google.
First Darwin, now the city. There is not much for me to expand upon here.
Gov. Nixon has weighed in:
http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/379748/3/Gov-Nixon-says-he-wont-sign-bill-allowing-guns-in-schools
Since guns in schools is a part of Missouri HB436, it appears as if Jeremiah (J.) Nixon is gonna say “NO” to this bit of Fed Befuddling.
I already sent him a little letter doing my part as a little person to respectfully persuade him to do otherwise but I doubt he’ll back down.
Now I’m hoping for a legislative override vote of his impending veto.
Nick, 924 adults is a perfectly fine sample size, provided the sample was representative.
Get off the floor Russ, she is a republican not a dombocrat!
Stupidity should be expensive. I guess in Reid’s case it was.
I like this woman. A lot. She is showing real guts in the face of some stern opposition – which includes the current POTUS – in known hostile territory. she is having success “behind enemy lines.” Guess command of facts and ability to coherently articulate them helps. Those who lean to the right of the the aisle would need more like her. Matters not be they woman or man…Though in this age of playing to the “important demographics” the media says is critical to winning – i.e., anything but white males – sure doesn’t hurt she’s a she. I like her.
I say get her out there now, and let her tell Hillary 2016: “Bring it, b*tch.”
I’ve had two K31s – the first I sold to a friend who loved it so much – and a K11. I think the K11 is a little better made and smoother in function than either of the K31s I’ve had, but they are all fantastic. If you like surplus rifles and don’t have one of these, you’re doing it wrong.
Do disseminated weapons information have to be functional in order to fall under ITAR’s oversight? I mean, yea we saw a video of a gun that looks like the blueprints and the 3D parts (and I believe it’s legit) but it could have been a ruse. Now that would be clever. Especially if they build it to use as evidence and it didn’t work.
“The government has provided a period of time for Defense Distributed to reply and prove that their actions were lawful.”
Seems to me that the government should have to prove that they’re in the right, not the other way around.
Agreed, but people like “hmmmmmmmm” prefer to live in a socialist/statist regime where emotions and knee-jerk reactions dictate law as well as totalitarian ideas such as guilty until proven innocent. “Rightly so, IMO” is how he worded it.
He is one of those sheep that trip the sheep next to him while running so he won’t be consumed by the wolf.
Sorry, folks, First Amendment Right to publish, in the Public Domain, applies to
Hustler Magazine, Soldier of Fortune Magazine, and to my Plastic Magazines, with
firearms!
Meanwhile, a bazillion download torrents, and counting… this government really doesn’t have a clue, nor, intelligence.
Sad, really, but, in-eptitude due to being a massive thing, run by committee, with meetings to be scheduled in the future. That places the element of surprise in
the hands of the People!
And apparently now “they” are trying to suppress this information using ITAR. I think it will fail but interesting development nonetheless.
This is a Freedom of Speech issue, too.
For those that say, “The world has changed,” you are absolutely correct. In a manner that we cannot even quite begin to see.
Yes we are winning. After Sandy Hook they could get nothing but a couple of states that were already lost to go their way. This is a long hard fight. It started before my birth and will continue after my grandkids are gone.
I’m going to let you in on a little secret that seems to be lost on the handwringers and the hysterics. We are essentially a free nation. Not perfect, but functionally free. With that freedom does come some down side. We get stuck with people like difi, slow joe, hmmmmmmmmmm, and mikeyb. It’s the price we pay for being free.
As for culture wars I am heartened by the young people around me. I’m going to the range today to try out my new shotgun. I will no doubt see young women and people of color shooting there also.
Yes, I’m an OFWG and I realize that if we make this a racial issue we lose. Real simple that, it’s a numbers thing. I realize that a bigger threat to our guns and freedom comes from within our ranks. When we have people like matt praising Hitler or wonderbread using special secret handshake terms like “certain demographics” or “TNB” and quoting the feds crime stats without any context it makes us all look bad and gives fuel to the anti’s.
But we are a free country and because we are we’re stuck with these types the same as we are with difi, slow joe, hmmmmmmmmm, and mikeyb.
So let’s not panic and be rash. Let’s make the other side panic and do something rash.
We saw a glimmer of this panic and rash behaviour with barry’s little temper tantrum after the failur of Manchin-Toomey. I enjoyed that, I did.
Oops looks like those guns were made into rebar and aren’t available to be made into Peace plaques/bricks. Guess Mayor McGinn of Seattle was just kidding. He meant to say the next group of weapons received from a future gun buyback program will be used.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020956864_buybackmcginnxml.html
Molon labe
Hey! Some of us read this blog at work during our breaks! Easy on the TnA.