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I wonder if this will be concluded in time to be commented on in the State of the Union speech.
Breaking news… San bernedino county SWAT team shoots some random prepper. And his truck.
I wouldn’t be half surprised to see Dorner and Holmes in an episode of the running man in a couple months
Vicarious by Tool should be a nice musical accompaniment for this unfolding drama
I would pay to watch that.
Dust of Hinkley for some Nostalgia and I’ll bring the popcorn.
I watched the live feed for a while, and was disturbed to see the police pointing their rifles at people in the checkpoints.
Damn I didnt want it to end so soon
I’m sure the Vegas odds-makers have been quietly taking bets on the outcome of this all along — wish I could wager $100 on “captured alive” just to get that 500:1 payout on the off chance the SWAT team accidentally arrests him instead of shooting him.
Any chance they will just take each other out? the world would be better of without Dorner and the LAPD
Since many of the original militias (both before and after the 2a was written) were privately run, one could argue that between the 1st (right to assemble) and the 2nd amendment, you have the right to organize a militia. And obviously the militia should equipped with whatever “common military weapons”, like nukes, you can afford.
From a tax payer perspective bringing anyone into Texas stadium in the cabinet would have been expensive. George W lives in the same city and did not attend. Should W have gone?
does he have a hostage?
They were talking to a older man on the TV broadcast a few minutes ago, whose son lives in the area. The older man said he had lived in that area for 30+ years, and they asked him if he was familiar with that specific cabin, and if so, who owns it, and are there likely people there. His answer was yes, he is familiar with it, and as far as he knows, it was purchased several years ago by a college professor from “back east” who bought it as a retirement home, and nobody currently lives there.
ok, as usual initial reports are all over the place… I’ve heard “he had 2 hostages, 1 got away and called 911″… also heard “he got away in a stolen car after wounding 2 officers, 1 flown out by chopper”
yay for wild unsubstantiated stories
Really enlightening people, you all should be proud of yourselves.
Federalist Paper #46, third paragraph from the end:
“Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it.”
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa46.htm
Good news.
Very unfortunate. No one should’ve been killed over what was essentially a labor dispute.
I also find it frightening that hyper-violent men like Dorner could be out patrolling our streets with guns and a badge.
And it’s scary that some of the “good guys” were shooting up innocent people the other day. The whole situation is one giant case of WTF?
This is how it’s supposed to work.
What’s wrong with owning a nuke? Do you have the ability to acquire a nuke? Manufacturing one isn’t all that hard, it’s just a matter of materials that are hard to come by. The problem is, when you concede to people things, they just keep going. You give an inch, they’ll keep pulling until you pull back, because you’ve lost the grounds of rationality.
The standing army is just a set of people equipped, paid, and trained via taxes. The citizenry is willing to give up a percent of their property in exchange for armed guards. That doesn’t mean the armed guards have some magical or supernatural moral character or conviction to do only good with those items. When you say “I can’t own a nuke, a missile, a grenade, a machine gun, a jet figher, a tank, an APC or whatever” what you’re saying is, there’s some matrix of “this property is acceptable to own by the government” and “this property is acceptable to own for the citizens”. Which means that the government is ABOVE the citizens. You’re creating a class system, patricians and plebeians/nobles and peasants. That you and your neighbors are not moral enough to own something, but that 51% of you can decide who is a moral person, and they’re above you.
So, yes, when you make concessions to this, then they’re going to win the argument, because the foundation of your rebuttal is weak. That odd feeling of anxiousness is your cognitive dissonance kicking in when you try to argue you shouldn’t be able to have a nuke.
Dorner with kill the hostage(s) with a “stolen” San Bernardino County SWAT firearm, then he will burn the cabin down with a “stolen” incendiary grenade. That is the story we will be told.
There is currently a reporter talking on the live TV feed who says he’s standing about 30 feet from the house where Dorner was holed up with the two hostages (one of whom reportedly escaped and callled 911), the house where the white pickup came from. He says he can look straight down to the parking lot where law enforcement have been holding their update press conferences for the past several days, and he estimates that that parking lot is “a football field and a half” from where he’s standing.
Ya know.
Most of the time I talk to pro-gun rights people, I don’t get this anti-service member vibe. Today, it seems like everyone on TTAG is hating on vets.
I know- service members sign up of their own free will. I know many times in history people have viewed service members as drains- “soldiers and dogs stay off the grass” signs and all.
But really-
I didn’t join for the benefits- I joined because I thought I could serve my country. Sure, you can call it hogwash or naivety- but at 17 that’s what I thought. So I enlisted, and served my obligation.
Now, that contract any service member signs goes both ways. I agree to potentially get killed, the govt agrees to pay, house, feed, train and provide medical care.
I’m not saying all pro 2A people need to respect military service members, but normally I don’t hear as much hate sent towards vets as I am reading here today.
Maybe it is observer bias- the guys and gals I know who are most pro-2A, and willing to work to defend the constitution are either still serving or are vets.
The comments here today just make me sad.
So one the worst and ruthless gangs in the US (Name: “Law Enforcement”) is all hyped up and vengeful because someone targeted one their own, so they go around pointing guns at the citizenry, violating their rights, and even shooting some of them.
Like I said above: SCREW THE THUGS.
It would certainly be something if some armed neighbors confronted the thugs at the checkpoint.
And now, according to radio feed, the LEG(Law Enforcement Gang) have deployed a “burner” and have a fire. Screw these people. If they fall “in the line of duty” who cares..
Nice rifle!!
Thats why we need so called high cap mags when using none .357 or .44 mag ammo you may need to shoot him 15 times to stop him!!!!
Que the drone strike.
And now the place is on fire. This sounds vaguely familiar…
Thanks to tear gas grenades, just like Waco
Even if the real figure is “only” 65,000 defensive gun uses per year, it’s still not a point against gun ownership. Unless my memory is way off, that still outstrips the yearly number of accidental shootings and random spree killings by at least 2 to 1.
And even if it doesn’t, banning guns because of the actions of a criminal minority is still a stupid thing to do. For one thing, gun ownership is a Constitutionally protected right. For another, look at alcohol in the Prohibition era or marijuana in its current prohibition era; guns would be no different.
Tear gas goes in and then the building burns down… why does that seem really familiar?
Good for LaRue and Olympic. And to show my support in a tangible way, I’m boycotting New York also, which is going to put a serious hurt on several midtown gin mills.
We need more companies to follow suit. As they do our civilian stock will return to normal. I also like how LaRue has made it so what ever limits the states have, like a ten round limit with mag lock, that is what they get.
Remington, Colt, Spikes, DPMS, you guys listening!!!!
Ya know, I read these articles by ya’ll here at TTAG and I have to wonder…
Why the hell aren’t any of you on T.V. fighting off the Gun Grabbers?
Seriously!
I’m not an eloquent man nor shockingly intelligent, in my estimation, but I can easily recognize a well written argument and TRULY feel that ya’ll should be at the forefront…nationally…of the fight we are all involved in to retain our Constitutionally granted rights.
I’m not saying this to blow smoke up your ass but to honestly ask the question, is there any way that you could grab a flag and lead the way? With all due respect to Mr. LaPierre, the last interview I saw him on was not confidence boosting. Frankly, I’ve had a cattle dog that could have answered questions on the fly quicker than that man did.
Anyway, thank ya’ll for what ya do and if you ever get the chance, please jump into some MSM ass with both feet and, more importantly, your brains!
That’s great. I admire Olympic for that.
Too bad Ruger won’t atone for their past sins by doing the same.
So I think the US has like 100 or 1000 times the homicide rate of the UK. I think only 60% or 70% of US homicides are with guns. Wipe out those, and you still have 30 or 300 times as many homicides (assuming removal of gun makes criminal give up hope and not commit homicide). So magically removing guns apparently reduces crime 50%, and other factors apparently reduce crime 99%. How is it then that anyone can believe that there is evidence that a country’s lower number of guns is the cause of its lower number of homicides. Maybe the UK/US ratio would be 2000:1 if the UK had less prohibition; there’s no way to tell.
If the UK removed all gun regulations, assuming a mere 50% of homicides are “method-agnostic” (though I think 99% of gun homicides would still occur if no gun was available), and everyone would choose a gun if provided the option, the homicide rate would be twice what it is, which is still tiny compared to the US. Would that then be a good argument that no gun regulation leads to low homicide rates?
I’m sorry if the numbers I used are off, but I think they’re sort of right in there, at least enough to make a point. Also, the UK still has enough guns, especially shotguns which can be shortened with a saw, guns both registered and underground, to accomplish most of the gun homicides in the US, so it’s not like their inconveniences really do much anyway. Actually, with the UK’s many competition shooters and hunters, they still have a lot more guns and less prohibition than other countries. These countries people brag about as having low homicides and no guns, but they still have much more homicides than the UK, with all its hunting/competition weapons.
Ok, I’m starting to ramble. There’s no end to all of this, so I’ll end now.
Nick, they’re not simply following LaRue’s lead — they’re going one step further.
LaRue limited all buyers (regardless of special-class status, e.g. LEOs) to what was legal for civilians in their jurisdiction.
Olympic is telling NYS that they get nothing at all until the bills are repealed. That’s a significant step forward.
Actually, the effect is the same for NY.
If a single one of those empty uniforms behind him had any guts they’d arrest him right then and there.
Arrest a sitting President who was just reelected with an electoral mandate? Makes total sense.
Jane Wells, a CNBC Los Angeles reporter said police fear Dorner may have gotten away in a stolen squad car:
https://twitter.com/janewells
God speed Chris, may you finish your mission.
The NY disease is trying to metastasize. Bloomberg’s MAIG group has hired a well-connected lobbyist and is doing a big media buy here in Colorado while the legislature is debating an AWB, normal capacity mag ban, manufacturer liability, and other nonsensical bills.
Lovely. Effing lovely. They’ve screwed up the Empire state, and they want to export it.
It is a pretty meaningless poll and it does not say much the way it is worded. I probably confused a lot of people who where polled.
I am surprised the number did not come in closer to 100% disapproval.
50% saying they not happy because Obama is not doing enough to restrict guns.
50% saying they are not happy because Obama is trying to restrict guns.
It is just a poorly worded poll.
So what you are telling us is that this 54% number doesn’t mean anything, because it doesn’t tell us who for and who is against, the more relevant question I would think. The MSM is trying to convince me thsat the VAST MAJORITY of Americans back more gun control, which may be true here in California (sadly) but I’d like to see some nubers on that. What I REALLY can’t figure out is why people keep backing these AWB bans even though the “Boss” and his flunky tell us they will have no effect on gun crime or gun violence. And universal background checks aren’t going to do a whole heck of a lot of good either if, as has been the case since its inception, states don’t bother reporting data to NICS. (Case in point is California, which requires a background check for all transactions except black powder guns).
There are no ex US Navy SEALs.
Godspeed brother.
I’m still waiting for the other manufacturers in New York to pull out.
They will have my business at my earliest possible convenience.
Bing Pulse showed that Obama bottomed out with Independents and Republicans on his gun control shpiel … And also on “comprehensive immigration reform”.
He didn’t really go positive, even with Demonrats on ANY topic he spoke to.
Like we all didn’t know that would be the outcome. There was NO way, no matter what he did, that they were going to allow him to live. The innocents and neighborhoods they shot up in their zeal to kill him are proof of that.
I’m not saying he did things right, or in any way justifying his actions … Just that it was preordained that they would kill him one way or the other … To me, the way they handled it is murder.
I guess I will have to carry two concealed carries in colorado with six extra mags. It only takes me 1.5 seconds to reload my semi automatic handgun. Of course I am a law abiding citizen and the criminal will cheat and carry a high cap mag but I will be ready to take him out.