http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIpFmi8kiks
Many, many many readers have written in over the last couple weeks asking roughly the same thing:
I was reading your article on Best Budget AR 15 and I tried to click on the build recommended links but most don’t seem to work now. Do you have an updates? or suggestions? I am very interested in learning more and trying to build my own.
So you want to know what my build list would look like these days? Let me knock you up a list . . .
First things first, my normal recommendation for people building an AR-15 is to build the lower yourself and buy the upper receiver complete and already assembled. And I’ll be following that recommendation with my parts list.
The reason I suggest buying the upper receiver as one complete pre-assembled part is that when you start mucking with headspace and gas tubes and trying to get the proper torque with barrel nuts, there is a whole lot more that can go wrong if you don’t get it close to spec. Not even the professionals always get the proper torque on the barrel nut (which leads to decreased accuracy and in some rare cases the barrel flying apart), so expecting a new AR-15 builder to get it right on the first try might be asking too much. But with the lower receiver, there isn’t anything that will kill you or decrease accuracy if you get it wrong.
There’s also a lot more to upgrade on the lower receiver. With the upper, the only thing that you would really be tweaking are the optics and handguards. But with the lower, you can do anything from getting a new trigger to swapping out the stock. And each change makes a huge difference to how the rifle handles.
Oh, and if you don’t know how to put together an AR-15 lower receiver, I’ve got an article for that. Now for the parts list (skip to the bottom for just the list and no descriptions).
Lower Receiver
The lower receiver is the bit that holds the gun together. And, in the eyes of the ATF, it is the gun. Which means you’ll need to get yours from an FFL if there isn’t a helpful citizen available to sell you one in a “private party” transfer.
Aero Precision is my current favorite manufacturer, they make parts for Boeing aircraft and in their spare time they started precision manufacturing lower receivers. I used one of their lowers in my competition rifle, but their rollmark seems to have changed quite a bit since the early days. Heck, back then they didn’t even have a website. Next on the list is Franklin Armory, whose lower I used in my testing rifle and looks pretty cool.
The good news is that no matter who you pick, as long as they’re not some fly-by-night operation you’re fine. Lower receivers are all the same, built tot he same specs and nearly identical from one to the next in terms of everything from dimensions to metallurgy. The only difference is the rollmark and the safety selector indicators on the lower. Unless you go with a funky polymer lower, that is.
Lower Receiver Parts Kit
If you look at my article on building a lower receiver, you will quickly find that there are a ton of little pins and springs that go into one of these guns. So rather than going out and buying each pin individually, the smart move is buying the parts all in one go. DPMS’ parts kit is the best I’ve used, so long as you immediately throw out the trigger and the grip. Everything else is golden.
Trigger
The trigger should be the main focus of any upgrade to your rifle. Its where you will notice the most increase in accuracy and speed for the least investment, and its one of the easier parts to swap out. I’ve been a huge fan of the ALG Defense QMS trigger, as it provides the best balance of performance and expense to the new shooter. Plus, the thing is tuned by Geissele’s people before it leaves the factory for extra awesomeness.
Grip
The grip on an AR-15 rifle is all about comfort. You need to be able to comfortably grip the gun and have your finger positioned perfectly on the trigger in order to get the most accurate shot. For that reason, I really like Magpul’s MIAD grip kit. It gives the shooter a grippy surface for better holding onto the gun, and allows them to change the shape of the grip to match their own hand. Plus, it just looks awesome.
Buffer Tube / Receiver Extension
The fiddly bit that sticks out the back of the rifle, whatever you call it, needs a little extra attention than most parts. There are two versions, the “mil spec” and the “commercial” version. The only difference is that the commercial version is slightly larger than the mil spec variety, but whichever one you choose you’ll need to make sure your stock matches up. That’s why I default to mil spec, since its less likely to be out of spec. DSA makes a complete kit that has everything you need for this section, including the rear plate, buffer spring and buffer.
Stock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=317ziJBOaF0
Not to be a Magpul fanboy, but their stuff is the best on the market in terms of comfort and reliability. And for those on a budget, their stocks are actually pretty reasonably priced. My current go-to stock is their MOE Carbine collapsible stock, which might be a little more expensive than the standard looking stocks but makes it up in the cool factor.
Upper Receiver
For the upper receiver on my “screwing around / testing stuff” rifle I’m using a pre-ban DPMS M4-style upper (yay New York). I personally find the fixed front sight post and carbine length gas system fits my needs perfectly, and I get the feeling I’ll love it even more once I chop the barrel down. Unfortunately, those have been out of stock for quite some time. But there are alternatives out there. Like the Del-Ton upper that is nearly identical and costs a lot less (if it ever comes back in stock).
Iron Sights
Since the upper comes with a fixed front sight post, the front sight is unnecessary. However, a rear sight is a good idea if you actually want to hit anything. Magpul makes a back-up iron sight that costs around $60, but its lightweight and gets the job done. I really like it.
The List:
- Aero Precision lower receiver ($79.95)
- DPMS Parts Kit ($58.99)
- ALG Defense QMS trigger ($45)
- Magpul MIAD Grip ($35.95)
- DSA Buffer Tube Kit ($31.99)
- Magpul MOE Collapsible Stock ($59.95)
- Del-Ton Upper ($419.99)
- Magpul Rear BUIS ($59.95)
That comes to a total of roughly $792 before taxes and shipping, but its a rifle that has all the bells and whistles of a $1,000+ gun.
Now, keep in mind that just about everything is sold out right now thanks to the rumors of impending doom and gloom. But as soon as this all blows over, expect there to be a rather large surplus of parts. That’s the nice thing about panic buying — it saps the cash out of the suckers and creates a surplus (and therefore discounts) on the other side of the hump.
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Buy all the magpul items you want Nick but leave the milspec one alone want prices to drop so I can buy them LOL!!
Use all of them. This is not the item you want to wind up with leftover parts when your done. Didn’t work well when my uncle rebuilt the motor on his Studebaker and had parts left over.
Can’t imagine a finicky beast like an AR would work well with missing parts.
What if I buy an LPK, and it comes with a shite trigger, but I also buy an upgraded trigger set? Do I have to use them both?
If I do, will it create one of those “select fire” guns I keep hearing about, like a double-barrelled shotgun with dual triggers?
Dude, only one will fit in at a time, dream on…
Clearly I have been playing too much Borderlands2. Next thing you’ll tell me is that magazine-fed rocket launchers don’t actually exist.
You can buy a lower parts kit WITHOUT the fire control group(trigger, hammer, etc) and the grip for about 25-30 bucks. Then buy a Bravo Company MOD 3 grip for 18 bucks and the ALG combat triggers for 66 bucks.
well no gun works well with missing parts LOL.
ARs are very simple to build and you will know when youre missing a part. parts diagrams are also very easy to find.
building a AR is easy. finding different parts that work harmoniously with each other requires a little bit more skill and experience.
Nick, did you actually keep a straight face when you typed in the cost of an AR lower as $79.95?
I thought I was doing well to get two Kaiser Defense lowers at $150 each before the prices REALLY started to go up.
That’s what I gave per receiver when I ordered four of them just before and just after election day.
150 or 80? Couldn’t figure out which price you meant…
$80 per.
Nice. I wish I’d bought at least four at the 150 price, as I could easily have flipped them for a tidy profit even after transfer fees.
Ya, I’m a known AR and AK parts and accessories seller on armslist and I can’t tell you how many offers I get for AR lowers even when I have no ad up for anything. I have a moderate stock of them but I’m looking all the time to buy them and have not found one in over 2 months in my area or online other then 300-600+ ones on armslist.
Any suggestions on where to look for a good quality lower parts kit, ie DPMS or equivalent? Even better if I can find a couple of LPKs that come without trigger groups since I’m going to upgrade those anyway.
Any suggestions on where to look for a good quality lower parts kit
Can’t help with “where”, only “when”… in the Future!
Before all the troubles DPMS and a few other brands were at the bottom of the heap price-wise and you would not save trying to get something sans trigger group. If you plan to upgrade to a two-stage trigger like RRA or CMMG (to name just a few) then just get that as a complete two-stage LPG kit when they become available again.
Got a local FFL selling top quality stripped lowers for $100,and he throws in 2 Magpul 30 round clips.
$80 for a stripped lower is not unheard of.
Has anyone else tried the Mako GL Shock stock? I got one and really like it so far, though I’m still building my upper so I can’t shoot with it yet.
Please post where these parts are in stock. (lol)
I luckily purchased a stripped lower in November for $89.99; that same lower at the same shop now is $289.99. I had originally planned on building my rifle over a decent period of time, but I admit that I pretty much bought everything in the past month through a combination of Midway, Brownells, and my LGS. I built the upper myself, and I think it is a rewarding experience, and much cheaper to do it that way. I am friends with someone that builds their own race guns, and he was able to check my work and make sure I didn’t screw things up. If you are going to build one yourself, ITS Tactical has a very easy to follow set of videos to aid in your build. Good Luck and Have Fun.
before the gun doomsday, you could find a LMT upper for 400-450 bucks, which are miles better than Deltons. I purchased one LMT 14.5″ for 400 bucks and a 16″ for 425 last summer.
now youll be lucky to find any of those individual parts in stock…
You’re not talking about a complete LMT upper half for $400. I’ve been tracking prices and availability for months, and only the chintziest R-Guns uppers have ever been that cheap.
I got a LMT upper mid-December right before they sold out, $485, still listed here:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/LMT-AR15-Upper-Receiver-Group-AR15-s/119.htm
I am talking about the complete upper half.
on LMTs website they are 675 (right now and of course theyre out of stock), but i bullshit you not; on gunbroker they consistently sold for 450. I bought my 16″ from armslist and the 14.5 from a local ad.
LMTs are a damn good upper thats all i have to say. I know my brother-in-law bought a 308 LMT AR10 for 2800 used two weeks before the shit hit the fan.
This one is reasonably priced…for now 😉 http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=325527394 (dont hate me bidders because i posted it)
I would suggest going with a Vltor A5 buffer/stock , it just works with pretty much everything,, no juggling different buffer weights to get the gun to cycle reliably.
It is a bit pricey but worth it.
Great list Nick. Too bad it’s all out of stock.
I don’t see a forum anywhere… When I remember what my question was, how do I go about “Asking Foghorn”?
Send it to [email protected]
I miss the days of $49 PSA lowers
Don’t we all. Remember when you could get a complete 16″ middy upper for ~$379? I built a complete polymer AR for under $500 this summer. Ahhh, these are the sorts of things that turn into the fairy tales that your grand-dad would go on about…
Nice list Nick.
On. Side not have you thought of consolidating your videos down to one single post. There is great stuff on the AR build plus reloading etc.
It would be great to make it easier to find.
Any opinions on Wilson Combats drop in trigger, the TTU? Is it worth the $200+
Thanks for producing the video! I couldn’t help but smile and laugh each time you pronounce detent “day taunt” instead of “dee tent.” Keep up the great work for TTAG.
Any reason you didn’t put any focus on the BCG and charging handle?
Items like the BCM Gunfighter handle make a great upgrade for just usability, and I personally am confused at the usefulness of all the various BCGs out there (i.e. the FailZero stuff)
Personally I think the “difference” between BCG’s boils down to marketing. LuckyGunner just did a torture test with four bone stock Bushmasters where they put 10,000 rounds through each one in a matter of days and there were zero problems with any of the four BCG’s.
There is a precise science and formula in marketing that works very well for getting someone to pay more money based on perceived value. I know because I’ve been suckered into replacing plenty of perfectly good parts that otherwise would have served me just fine. The AR platform, with the hundreds and hundreds of possible upgrades, is disgustingly easy to waste money on.
If you’re thinking of a new BCG I advise you to go ahead and do everything you can to wear out the one you have. If and when you manage to wear it out then THAT is the time to ask if you got your money’s worth out of the stock BCG and whether a more expensive one will be worth the money compared to the life you got out of the stock BCG.
Some upgrades make an immediate difference. Like you, I bought the BCM charging handle and love it because it made an immediate, fundamental difference than the stock part. To me when it comes down to wear parts that offer no immediate or fundamental difference in operation, unlike a charging handle, I want to get my money’s worth out of the stock part I already paid for before considering the value of a well marketed fancy part.
Most of the problems in torque specifications on the barrel extension and the castellated nut holding the barrel into the upper come about because people refuse to use a torque wrench. The torque specs are really quite clear in the Armalite or USMC/USA/DOD/Colt specifications. But for some reason, there are too many people who refuse to obtain the required tools to do the job correctly.
The first thing a guy must have to torque to spec is a torque wrench. 1/2″ drive, one required, I like the analog or “micrometer” type. Without a real torque wrench, you’re simply guessing as to how much muscle you’ve used to screw something on. If a guy wants one, go get a Sears Craftsman wrench if you want to go economical but reliable. Look in Grainger’s if you want to spend more. If you want to spend more, get one with a calibration cert.
Do not buy a Horror Freight torque wrench. You’ll be no better off than using a breaker bar and guessing.
Second thing is the correct tool to torque the extension or nut on. All of these are available through Brownells.
Third thing required is a fixture on which the upper sits – the fixture goes into a vise (for torquing the castellated nut) or a barrel vise (for the extension) and the upper goes on the fixture and gets pinned in place. Now you can apply torque to the barrel nut. A common shop vise with lead soft jaws could suffice to hold the barrel while the extension is torqued on.
This is pretty easy stuff – I hardly even rate it as being worthy of a gunsmith’s attention. Someone who can change a tire on a car should be able to do this stuff. But, seeing how many people in today’s society seem to possess a level of mechanical talent that allows them to screw up an anvil with a feather, perhaps the admonishment to buy a completed upper/barrel setup is best.
It tends to limit your choice of barrels, tho.
A couple other points for AR noobs:
Get real roll pin punches. If you use pin punches to punch in the roll pins that are all over AR’s, you typically will slip a punch off the pin and muck up the aluminum around the pin hole. Again, you can look in Brownells or MidwayUSA to find these.
LPK’s: I’ve used Colt (with Gen-Ewe-Whine Colt prices), DPMS and cobbled together my own parts from generic sources for roll pins, spring, etc. They’ll all work.
Triggers: The GI-spec triggers are horrible. Uniform crap. The case on them is so thin, if you try to stone the hammer and sear as you would in classic guns, you’ll blow through the case and end up with a trigger pull that feels like you’re pulling a spoon through cold peanut butter.
I now just order the non-adjustable Geissle 4.5 pound trigger group (SSA) for non-match guns and call it good. I like two-stage triggers – other people might not. For those who like single stage triggers, look at the Timney products.
Your gas key should be staked. I recommend that most people who are noobs buy their bolt carrier group already assembled. If you’ve had some training, you could buy a naked bolt, naked carrier and piece them together. If you’re good with a punch, you could stake your own gas key. If you’re not, you’ll need to buy/rent/borrow a fixture that allows you to stake your gas key.
All stripped lowers are the same. No one brand is better then the other. Out of all the ARs I’ve built the brand of lower has been meaningless other then if someone has a preference to a certain logo.
+1.
Especially since these days most of them are made by Aero Precision (vast majority), Kaiser Defense and a very few others.
From everything I have learned, the only ones to avoid are from small operations which claim to have come up with some sort of proprietary improvement and make them in-house.
Unless you need an ambidextrous/sinister lower. Just sayin’.
he might want to invest in a wood mallet.
I was a 45B3H Instructor at APG. I trained 1000’s of “Trainees” Domestic and Forgine. I was also a 45K3H.
On a lazy sunday morning I could slap together 3 ARs from parts, it aint rocket science. Using a Complete Upper it is a 20 minute build. Remember the AR was designed for US Soldiers so if you can assemble a stereo system you can build an AR, just READO the EFFING directionos!
And if you have any serious doubts buy a Kel-Tec SU 16 for the price of an AR kit!
Can a kel tec su16 lower fit a ar15 upper? Old post but thought I’d ask.
what’s an AR part?
It’s a mysterious creature that once freely roamed the earth. Sadly, it is now extinct. Although there are still examples of these creatures available for viewing, it seems there are no examples available for holding. These creatures are so rare, some claim they are more like the Unicorn, just a myth hyped up by true believers. There is a rumor going around that a documentary is being made. The working title is The day the AR Parts were hunted to extinction
Nick, was it that optic that you have on the rifle in that picture?
Primary Arms red dot.
Heya i’m for the primary time here. I came across this board and I find It truly useful & it helped me out a lot. I hope to offer one thing back and help others like you aided me.
I just got a build last week, similar to your template (complete upper, stripper lower, LPK). Spikes ST-15 mid-upper, PSA stripped lower and LPK. Total ~ $750
I’m with you budget or not I love the Aero lowers. I’ve built several AR15’s with Aero lowers and have nothing but good things to say about them. I wish they would come out with a billet lowers.. I’ve never used a DPMS LPK but I have a couple of DPMS BCG that have been beat to hell.. I usually run with an Anderson LPK. It’s what my local shop has and I like to support local business. That’s a clean looking build on the bookcase.
Questions….
In the “grip” picture above….who makes the quad rail? if I get an complete upper can I change out the quad rail to that one?
Sites and scopes question…… I would like a good front and rear site to start out with to dial the rifle in….then later upgrade to a decent scope in the future. Is this possible with a flat top upper and is this usually done?
Thanks much for putting all this info out there for us.
If the elevation-adjustable scope goes haywire why restrict yourself to hold-overs with most BUIS rear sights that are not elevation-adjustable. It seems to me like you’re giving up a lot of capability by not opting for elevation adjustment.
So, I’d prefer a back up rear sight that was elevation adjustable like the KAC 200-600m micro sight.
LF
Aero precision has pretty lousy customer service. They probably examine the returned part under a microscope so that they can find a microscopic scratch in order to deny your return. I guess they have a lot of distributors that buy from them so they don’t really care about the individual customers. Should of googled about their customer service first.
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