https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbwjtZhygQQ
“They have my cattle and now they have one of my boys. Range War begins tomorrow.” That’s yesterday’s deeply worrying prediction from one Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher who ran afoul of the feds. abcnews.go.com reports that “Bundy’s beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993 . . . when Bundy’s allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise. Bundy, who told the Associated Press his family has been ranching this part of Nevada since the 1870s, continued to let his cattle graze anyway.” So the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) took his cattle. And then, according to mynews3.com, arrested his son . . .
A son of Mesquite rancher Cliven Bundy has been arrested by Bureau of Land Management rangers.
Dave Bundy was arrested at 4:30 p.m. Sunday as he was in a car parked along State Route 170 near Mesquite.
“He was there to do some filming when about 11 federal agents pulled up and arrested him,” Clive Bundy told News 3. “They said he was outside of the First Amendment area and they took him down. We don’t know where he is now.”
The BLM confirmed the arrest in an emailed statement:
“An individual is in custody in order to protect public safety and maintain the peace,” BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon wrote. “The individual has rights and therefore details about the arrest will not be disclosed until and unless charges are filed.”
Yeah, that ought to de-escalate the situation. From examiner.com:
“He was doing nothing but standing there and filming the landscape,” Ryan Bundy said of his brother Dave. “We were on the state highway, not even off of the right-of-way. Even if they want to call [the area that we were filming] federal land; which it’s not; we weren’t even on it. We were on the road.” . . .
“They also had four snipers on the hill above us all trained on us. We were doing nothing besides filming the area,” Ryan added.
This is looking increasingly like the stand-off and federal assault at Waco. Back to ABC:
Bundy compared his situation to citizens’ confrontations with the federal government at Ruby Ridge and at Waco, Texas.
The station quoted him as saying, “They are the same agents who killed that kid over at Red Rocks,” referring to the fatal shooting of a 20-year-old man by two BLM rangers on Feb. 14, near Red Rock Canyon, outside Las Vegas.
Asked by ABC News about that shooting, Cannon said the incident was still under investigation, and that BLM could not comment until the investigation was completed.
Bundy’s wife, Carol Bundy, reached by ABC News, said the family and their supporters intended to hold a rally today “to show that we are not standing alone. People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power.”
By noon today Nevada time, about 300 supporters had assembled, a Bundy spokesman, Dwayne Magoon, told ABC News. So, too, he said, had local and federal law enforcement officers. He described the federal agents as being heavily armed. He said that on his way driving to the Bundy ranch, he counted 12 law enforcement vehicles in the course of six miles.
The BLM has described Bundy’s use of the phrase “range war” inflammatory. “We support everyone’s right to exercise their freedom of expression,” Cannon said. But when threats are made, she said, federal authorities have an obligation to ensure safety. She estimated the number of Bundy supporters as being closer to 100.
No doubt gun owners in Connecticut, New York and Maryland are watching the story with interest. As Sgt. Patrick Hayes pointed out in a recent editorial, confrontation with government agents over “assault weapon” and “high capacity magazine” registration is likely to be Federally-instigated. Meanwhile Mrs. Bundy knows what it’s like to go up against the feds. “We’re not pointing guns at anyone but we’re sure getting a lot of guns pointed at us.”
*sigh* *raises BS flag*
Kindly explain your statement.
Okay, all you chest thumpers and saber rattlers that post comments here about taking on the man. Time to rally around this rancher in Nevada. Load up your gear and get there before the feds close in.
Chris Mallory? Totenglocke? Delbert Grady? Time to nut up or shut up.
What’s a “First Amendment Zone”? Isn’t that, ya know, America?
Not anymore! 1st Amendment only exists where there is a fully intact 2nd Amendment.
Unfortunately, from what I can tell, this guy has pretty obviously violated grazing laws, and the entire confrontation was his own dang fault.
That said, the BLM has no business being armed, I doubt they have any authority to seize his cattle, and the only legal limits to a “first amendment zone” are the borders of our country. People can film law enforcement all they want, and there is a lot of recent legal precedent to enforce this.
He did violate the law. But from the sounds of things he violated the law in the same way the gun owners in Connecticut are violating the law. The law changed around them and they refused to comply with the change.
Assuming they actually have the authority (and hubris) to declare the prior grazing area off-limits to protect the tortoises, they certainly have authority to remove his cattle from that land. Seems like they could have prevented a lot of antipathy if they had simply loaded them up and delivered them back to his ranch, with a bill for the transportation costs.
Everything other than this seems a little high-handed and authoritarian, which also seems to be the general tone of the federal government at this point in time.
Should I order a tin-foil hat, or does all this crap seem like intentional distraction from the failures of the Obama regime locally and internationally? Does this preoccupation with Crimea (which is none of our business) and North Korea seem like an intentional distraction from the dissatisfaction with political events at home and a reason to focus our attention elsewhere and away from Obamacare and police militarization?
Time will tell, but I think they are playing a VERY dangerous political game that will wind up with a lot of dead and bleeding bodies, and not just in this country.
No, The bozos in DC wouldn’t think of trying to distract their critics by doing this. Urban elites are barely aware of where their food comes from, I’m pretty sure they think ‘ranching’ is something that became obsolete in the 1800s.
PUBLIC land. You take handouts, you do what they tell you. No sympathy. Besides, someone’s gotta look out for the tortoise.
If this was PRIVATE land, I’d feel very, very differently.
Yeah, it sounds to me like this guy initiated the hostilities by ignoring his agreement with the BLM over the grazing rights because “we always done it this way”. So now it’s escalated into a pissing contest between him and the Feds because neither will back down. I’m not going to root for either side on this one, because there ain’t no heroes here. The Feds are clearly abusing their authority, but none of this would have had to happen if this guy had held up his side of the agreement (or kept his cattle on private land).
“someone’s gotta look out for the tortoise.”
With guns and armored vehicles, a willing press to spin the story and the general might of the federal government to do it.
Got it. makes perfect sense.
I’d be willing to bet my left nut this isn’t about cattle at the bottom of it. This is about the rancher’s water.
See, there’s a wrinkle in Nevada water law: You can have adjudicated water rights on surface water, but you still have to “put it to beneficial use” or lose the water rights. The BLM wants to control water in the west. Control water, you control the land.
Well, the easy way to control water in southern Nevada is to force a grazier off his allotment for more than five years. Five years of non-use, then the BLM will file a protest in the State Engineer’s office contesting the rancher’s rights for non-use. After a hearing, the rancher will have to put his water to use within one year, or lose his rights, no matter how long he’s held them. The BLM simply denies him the ability to turn out for one more year, thereby denying “beneficial use” of the water, and then the rights revert to the state.
The BLM will then apply for the rights on that spring or stream and the Feds now control the water.
Most people east of the 100th Parallel don’t know their buttocks from a warm rock on a sunny day about western water law. The BLM (and the Feds) depend on your ignorance to pull off these types of schemes.
Precisely! And never forget, water is the oil of the future! Whereas wars have recently be fought over oil, wars will very soon be fought over WATER, our most precious natural resource.
As the acequia farmers say in New Mexico, “la agua es la vida.” And who brought the acequia system to the Southwest? Moors, originally brought in as slaves, whose skill and knowledge, dating back to Roman times, turned arid land into a habitat for crops.
What amazes me the conversation is on militia we have guys talking about a 100 years ago. Di u really believe we are in the same political Sitution we was 100 years ago. We are not in the same position politically we was 20 years ago on 9-11-2001 u lost your freedom dont anyone understand that. The government does not play fair. U Dont have a choice. It not a republican, democratic, Liberterian, or whatever you want call yourself. This is about the dollar nothing more. You screw with the FED the petro dollar there will be war. That is what this whole deal is about. Do you believe we will just seat idel and let a company try to take the reserve currency status. Just open your eyes look around. Its all decepition they have us chasing r own tails. Wake up
“They also had four snipers on the hill above us all trained on us. We were doing nothing besides filming the area,”
I wonder how long before we hear the Feds say they were fired on and had to kill the whole family in self defense.
Why is the steel core ammo OK in a rifle, but not in a pistol?
Does the lower velocity from the shorter pistol barrel make it penetrate armor better?
It’s not like an AK pattern pistol is all that easy to conceal. The stupidity of our gun laws is matched only by our politicians. I am starting to think we shouldn’t let the pols make laws about something they know F All about, especially guns. You have to pass a test first to make sure you are “smarter than a 5th grader” on the subject of the law. That should pretty well prevent Congress from doing any more damage.
They are mostly lawyers, so let them come up with some laws for “lawyer control”. Sorry Ralph, it had to be said.
Because the ATF sells it to the public as being “cop killer” ammo.
Concealed guns + “cop killer” bullets = SUPER SCARY
I’m with jwm up there. Time for all you keyboard commandos to put your money where your mouth is.
Those turtles must have one hell of a political lobby to have a whole platoon protecting them. And here I thought they had shells on their backs to protect them from things like… hooves.
To be perfectly fair and aboveboard, the ruse was not that the turtles were being trampled. The reasoning – and I do not support it – is that the cattle were eating all the food that the turtles depend upon also.
Of course, there is no evidence provided that this is the case. It’s just a vendetta against ranchers who refuse to pay protection money (“grazing fees”).
Lay some of the blame where it lies – at the NRA’s doorstep.
The NRA helped write the 1968 GCA. They were consulted extensively on it. If the “armor piercing” provisions were so horrible they should have spoken up at the time.
I literally had no idea about “Not so free speech zones” and “1A Exclusion zones”. That is complete BS. I came to this site looking for Tavor reviews about a year ago. I’m a much more enlightened person now. I just can’t believe the how much power, we the people are losing every day to this megalithic bureaucracy machine. I’m broke right now otherwise I’d donate something, but for the love of god keep putting this stuff out there.
Sadly I fear nothing will be done about this. No one short of the SAF or NRA has the money to challenge it, and they’re frying bigger fish all around the country.
We seem to be kinda stuck with this BS.
The point is that she’s nucking futs, like most every other hoplophobic soccer mom.
Reminds me of the Cross base highway by JBLM.. Shortest highway ever made, just to save some squirrels.
There is an obvious cognitive disconnect in this situation, as there is in the NZ military, thanks to political interference. We have no air force, so our Army would be mincemeat in any real military engagement.
There are two elements to any military decision. They are tactics, i.e. the way things are done, and strategy, i.e. what should be done.
Strategy should be that armed personnel are at hand in sufficient quantity and quality to discourage and quell immediately any armed threat to base personnel.
Tactics should be determined by each individual base commander, who should test and train personnel at all levels for proficiency in the use of self defense weapons. Those who pass muster should be authorised to carry weapons on base to prevent any possible outbreaks of armed violence on base.
It’s no more complicated than that.
I think my brain is bleeding after reading the full article, plus my only option to comment was via Facebook.
OC = changing perception of gun owners and people who carry. good, this is one of the main ways we can win the culture war
I was very happy to hear this about an hour ago. Just waiting for it to be put into effect and be state law.
Sadly, consensus among CA gun-law legal experts is that this setup will be a short-barreled “assault weapon” under our wonderful state laws, regardless of what the Feds say. Go California.
I was really hoping to build a “pistol” using the SIG brace, too…
It’s so funny that this has to be enshrined in a state law when it’s already the law of the land! It’s also interesting that the “lawmakers” make this stupid division and somehow if you choose to carry openly then apparently you are trained and worthy, but if you planning on concealing your firearm then somehow you are sneaky and need training and a background check….so ludicrous.
“”The state Senate has passed a bill to allow Tennesseans to openly carry guns without permission from the Government.”
Fixed that for ya.
I think I’d word it this way:
“The state Senate has passed a bill to remove the requirement of state permission for persons to openly carry guns.”
Remember, the government does not “allow” us to do anything. The right to carry exists by default, unless/until the government infringes upon it.
Had my Shield for just over a year. Not one flaw, hiccup, or burp. Rapid fire, no problem. Accuracy, no problem. Re-acquiring, target during rapid fire and mag exchange, no problem. It seems some people need to practice, practice, practice!
A man with no conscience or thinking apparatus. Holder doesn’t even know how stupid he is. His face should be in the dictionary under “Incompetence”.
This is right up there with Star Wars death ray technology, for fantasy solutions to non existent problems.
Imagine grabbing your “Smart” gun and getting a “bluetooth not connected” warning before a robber with a “dumb” gun blows your head off? I presume Microsoft will be involved in this venture, with all the lack of functionality and reliability that implies.
The US Army has been “protecting” the stupid “Desert Tortioise” for decades at NTC/Ft Irwin.
This is what much of the DOD budget ACTUALLY goes to. And environmental cleanup, green BS, Breast Cancer Research. Not nasty old war stuff.
http://www.deserttortoise.org/abstracts/abstracts2002/2002abs29.html
““We support everyone’s right to exercise their freedom of expression except where we say they can’t,” Cannon said. “And we’ll shoot anyone who says we don’t,” she added.
Fixed it for her.
I’d rather give $1900 to a private arms company then $200 to a government agency for a “tax” on something that is my right to own in the first place.
We still haven’t figured out that if one guy does something the state smashes him like an ant, but if a whole group of people does something then the state has a much harder if not impossible time enforcing stupid “laws”. For reference see: Connecticut Gun Owners defying registration, Pixar’s “A Bug’s Life”, etc.
I wonder what would happen if people just started making, buying and selling all of these “illegal” evil things? Oh sure if one company did it then they get Hulk Smashed but really what if en masse the population did it? Oh wait, I forgot, we gots to be “law abiding”…sorry…what a joke…just like the cops who are killing kids at their front door are being “law abiding” and the politicians stealing all of our money and livelihoods are being “law abiding”…check, got it…
Aren’t all those Russian ammo made with steel cores? My local range specifically prohibits one from using Herter’s handgun ammo for this very reason. What is the difference between that ammo and the ammo the ATF has just banned?
The house finance committee has already effectively killed it.
“But when threats are made, she said, federal authorities
have an obligation to ensure safety.”
Sounds to me that the ones who started the threats and
escalated them is BLM. The only difference is that Bundy
has the stones to threaten them right back.
All this over some f#&$ing turtles. Fascism indeed. Godspeed Mr. Bundy.
I’m wondering about the practical realities of enforcement and interpretation. I mean:
OWB holster on belt with shirt tucked in = open carry = no permit required.
IWB holster with untucked shirt = concealed carry = permit required.
Holster on belt + jacket that covers it up = concealed? open? what?
Michigan has no-license open carry. Some states codify exactly what constitutes open and concealed, some do not. Michigan does not, so we recommend fully exposed holster. Having your gun half-concealed is an invitation to explain your opinion of “not concealed” to a judge. You might win, you might not.
For the record, Apple’s sales staff aren’t called Geniuses. They are called Specialists. The Mac Technicians are called Geniuses.
CC is the next step.
All I could see in that text was “I’m a good general Mr. President and totally onboard with whatever anti-gun policy you want me to enforce. Please don’t fire me next.”
I like mine quite a bit, if you are complaining about any low light ability with this (mostly full dark, the fiber optic really gathers the light), then just put some of the strontium aluminate glow tape on the inside of the frame next to the fiber optic block. This is a real interesting sight as with the lack of parallax, you essentially have a sight that is bore sighted to the arm it is affixed to. Anyone picking it up and placing the aiming point on the target will hit it with no adjustments, unlike iron sights with a cheek weld…… To me the price is right for what it is, try buying a peep sight or a set of tech sights for less than the See All….
Or “Domestic Vietnam: the Stars and Bars Still Know Jack Sh!t but Want to Feel Important”
I wonder if they are going to have the problems that Mississippi had with their Sheriffs’ idea that a holster conceals the pistol that is open carried.
It took years for that to be overturned by the Legislature.
This is typical of the bureaucratic thinking that plagues the Armed Services. Everything is a potential liability based upon a perceived risk, and commanders are in a race to mitigate the perceived risk before someone beats them to it and earns the credit. What a miserable existence….
If there are people in the Marine Corps who can’t be trusted with firearms, they need to be discharged immediately. This policy is loony.
P.S. Please get keyboards that have functional caps lock keys.
I am ashamed to say this is the first I’ve hear of Mark passing, I spoke to the man several times over the phone both from him purchasing products from me, and I purchasing products from him. I have the belt that I wear everyday and my supertuck as well. He was a man of amazing faith in Jesus Christ. Rest with Jesus Mark.
The problem with living on base is you get to play by the Commanders’ rules.
I would think that a quick opening safe is permitted under the housing rules.
You have to give the commanders some concern for young, boozing hot tempered guys and their wifes and children and keeping accidents down to a minimum.
Course if they were really concerned about base security there would be a QRF within sight of any gate on the base….
Exactly my point in “A Law Enforcement Perspective: Armed Carry on Military Bases”.
The military is far stricter than anywhere else in this country when is come to privately owner firearms.
They can do whatever they want because they are essentially all powerful when it come to their people. They say it and soldiers do it.
The only thing Generals fear is not getting another star.
Notice that this was ahead of anything DOD did. CYA in a big way.
From what little we know, it seems to me that there’s plenty of fault to spread around:
1) Looks like a suburban neighborhood. If my suburban neighbor was firing guns on his property, I’d have a problem with that myself. I take mine to the range or somewhere secluded – I expect my neighbor to do the same unless there are lives at risk.
2) Seeing as there was no complaint at the time of the incident, then the officer did not seem to have authority (a warrant or probable cause) for making an arrest.
3) Give me your gun or I’ll arrest you? Baloney. Arrest the guy and seize his firearm, issue a citation for disturbing the peace, or give a stern lecture. “Give me your gun” is a great way to get shot.
4) After the first law enforcement visit, you’d think our gun owner would be bright enough to put down the gun long enough to look up the local ordinance on disturbing the peace. Maybe even take the initiative to walk over to the neighbors and work something out. Seems our shooter may be lacking in the responsibility department…or maybe we should take that up with his mom?
5) Posting pictures comparing Bledsoe with Hussein is a violation of Bledsoe’s personal right to privacy. May also possibly be cause for a civil defamation of character suit. Old red-beard will be lucky if he doesn’t get sued. Have to go with the judge on this one.
We wouldn’t need to spin up over the law so much if we could just apply a little common sense. Seems lacking on both sides in this case.
My guess is that the feds don’t give a squat about desert tortoises; some geologists probably found lithium or some other deposits on the land and are holding onto the information until the Bushes, Clintons, Feinsteins or other traitors can posture themselves to rape the entire landscape.
No doubt, after assessing the areas newfound wealth, the desert tortoise will just get squashed under the bulldozers in the name of national security.
CJ Grisham is an honorable man and soldier. Thank You for sharing his testimony.
Just like Maine. No permit for OC, ccw shall issue permit at 18.
Current price for the cheapest 7.62×39 just arrived at LGS: $5.99 for 20. This doesn’t seem to affect price or availability of that round. As for the other, I have no experience with it and haven’t ever seen it stocked locally.
Grisham is a voluntary American hero, along with the other soldiers at Ft. Hood and forts and bases throughout America and the world. Why they would not be allowed to defend themselves and bring the attack to those seeking to end their lives, as they are trained to do.
Law enforcement in Texas apparently is just as ignorant as law enforcement in less so-called “gun friendly” states. Grisham’s arrest and detainment because he refused to relinquish his rifle which he brought along for protection is a cautionary tale. It should alarm every Texan, and anyone else. Section 23 of Texas State Law is supposed to protect Texans but is being misinterpreted and misapplied by law enforcement. It is a shame.
We look to Texas so often to lead the way of our defense of liberty and our God-given rights as recognized and guaranteed by our U.S. Constitution. We need Texans to stand up for Second Amendment rights and to lead the way.
NRA response to my query last week about their plans….
Thank you for contacting the NRA-ILA. Please see the link below for information regarding BATFE’s recent actions to restrict importation of 5.45 x 39 ammunition. You can rest assured that the NRA will keep on top of this issue. We appreciate your support.
http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2014/4/batfe-bans-import-of-military-surplus-545-sporting-ammunition.aspx
She’s a Washington Post writer. So if she lives in DC, no guns allowed. What’s the problem then?
“And so we do things like suspend kids for pointing their fingers in the shape of a gun or for bringing Nerf guns to school for a class project.”
And this level of behavior teaches kids about zero tolerance, not about much else.
Way back when I was in you could hunt on Base (Camp Lejune,N.C. ) you could buy discount ammo from the base sports, or rent a hunting, or trap gun. and the P.X. sold Rifles, but you could not keep guns or ammo stored on base, in the sleeping troops area’s . but I believe officers could…You could buy a pistol over sea’s , take it home, but it had to be stored till you returned home. And we all pulled guard duty with REAL pistol and rifle ammo….You could not keep any live ammo left over from any training, this was to keep people from taking government ammo home etc…but you could keep a private knife like a K-Bar or bowie for field use/ private use.
who are the *snipers* sticking out like sore thumbs on the ridgeline?
The guy on the left looks like he has bino’s. Not sure on the right.
Those ranchers down there are a salty sort. I wouldn’t be surprised if the cattle received no bids at auction.
Or better yet, a dollar a head, then they get shipped right back to Mesquite.
There is a fix for this, by redefining the “armor piercing” ammunition as that which fits in a pistol having an ammunition feeding device located inside the grip of the pistol. That would fix the issue for both the 4.45×39 and the 7.62×39. This will only take the dumping of six or eight Democrat Senators and some heavy duty arm twisting of the the cowardly Republicans in both houses.
On second thought that whole bunch is almost completely spineless, otherwise we would already have 50 state reciprocity.
Can’t tell if Scout Sniper washouts or just DGAF…
Oh, one more thing that the local Sheriffs can do to stop the BLM:
Demand brand inspection certs.
No brand inspection certs in the truck driver’s possession? That’s prima facie evidence of rustling right there.
I have said all along the fail point is the order in which you obtain a permit. The education needs to happen BEFORE you pay the background fee to purchase a firearm not AFTER. The fee for a permit is not constitutionally legal as defined in a case from 1943. I would expect to have to pay for the gun class though and that should be done in a uniform (same price across the state) manner. The class should be more than a portion of a day and require passing a written exam as well as range qualifying. You can make all the laws you can dream up but what you cannot do is make criminals obey the law. The only smart thing is to make sure those who CAN obtain a firearm legally are well educated before they are allowed to buy it.
These old ranchers are a breed of their own. I’ve known some and this could end very badly. They also stick together as only families who have lived and worked as neighbors for many generations can.
Scrutiny was invented to justify the exorbitant salaries of lawyers and the black robed walking dead.
Until 1993 Bundy was paying BLM for grazing rights. Call it a contract. He then stopped paying.
“BLM said in a statement two judges ordered Bundy to remove his cattle from Gold Butte. The Center for Biological Diversity, an environmental group, said the federal action was long overdue.
“Despite having no legal right to do so, cattle from Bundy’s ranch have continued to graze throughout the Gold Butte area, competing with tortoises for food, hindering the ability of plants to recover from extensive wildfires, trampling rare plants, damaging ancient American Indian cultural sites and threatening the safety of recreationists,”
To me it’s as if a renter stopped paying their rent. What happens then?
@rlc2
It’s impossible to get all the facts unless one goes out there and talks directly. The whole “it’s been going on fer 20 years” thing does make me wonder who has been the stubborn one here. I’ll admit I’m quick to throw the .gov under the bus (90% of the time they belong there) but 20 freaking years?! Even our government isn’t THAT slow.
She’s not making a logical argument, rather she is trying to evoke images and emotional reactions that will create both fear and loathing thereby steering (controlling) the reader to agree with her “Guns are a public health issue (menace)” opening statement. Once she invokes the image of “Giving them a kiss on the cheek in the morning and not having them come home that night.” she seals the deal with the reference “Columbine. Sandy Hook. Aurora. (Not a School)” counting on “what scares parent most” she already invoked to cause her readers to tear up and agree with her without ever really thinking about it.
There will come a day, sooner I fear, than later, when Al Qaeda, Hamas, one of their ilk, or some home-grown terrorist(s), like the Tsarnaev brothers, will massacre a large number of children at their school with bombs or guns, or both, and do so without opposition in some unprotected school in a “Blue” state or The District of Columbia where idiots like Tracy Grant have used this fear-speak to convince parents how much better society will be when no guns are allowed anywhere. These terror groups and persons are being emboldened by the weak, spineless Foreign Policy of the US, their knowledge of how to sneak their operatives into the US because Obama and Holder will not enforce our immigration laws and procedures, and their growing understanding that Americans in some parts of the country are willfully choosing to allow their children to be wide open, easy targets. Their hatred of Americans is well established. Look for this kind of thing to happen as soon as we leave Afghanistan. How will we explain to little Johnnie why all his friends and schoolmates were slaughtered in cold blood when we gave up the means to keep them safe in order to make society safer for everyone?
If the above paragraph made you feel a bit uneasy, then you now know what Tracy Grant’s point is.
If it did not, then I’ll just chalk that up to the well-developed “BS-dar” of TTAG’s readership. However, I will say that this type of thing genuinely concerns me. I really do not understand how parents/grandparents can be so easily swayed by people like Tracy Grant writing horse cr*p like this. Then, they send little Johnnie each day to his effectively unprotected school. We know our foreign enemies are capable of planning and executing a coordinated attack such as it would take to commit unbelievable slaughter at one of these undefended schools. We know, as well, they bear us sufficient ill-will to eventually do it and are willing to die themselves in the process.
FN Five-SeveN? I liked it better the first time, when it was called the TokareV…
Many a Sunday afternoon following Archie and the gang. I am sure it will be some anti gun propaganda thing that has a “moral” that offs him.
Oh well, I lost the innocence of child hood decades ago.
You keep your finger off the trigger of the bottle of Windex until ready to spray
WELL they never learn their lessons, looks like the killings will continue with the base police scratching their heads when they get to the murder 10 minutes TOO LATE!
Hey MDA, demand action against big pharmacy and those who promote drugs to keep boys from being boys. Read the side effects of these drugs. They create monsters(mass shooters). I grew up without such meds and as result I feel no need to harm anyone or do any wrong when carrying, even when angry.. Also dear moms, ask yourself what do these mass shootings have in common besides guns. The answer: Gun free zone, or No Guns allowed.
Another one of the reasons why I left Puerto Rico for the great Republic of Texas. It is sickening that our rights as citizens are trampled and ignored by runaway liberal policies. This police Superintendent Name is James Tuller. He was imported from New York PD and brought with him some of the same policies endemic to the area. Here’s the link to the crooked lawyer indictment on those charges. http://www.justice.gov/usao/pr/news/2013/12192013.html
@ Philllip: beat me to it! I was about to list the oversight of the Trapdoor Springfield in the article. There were also other “trial” cartridge-repeaters prior to the Krag-Jorgensen, as well as the Lee Navy [which was contemporary to the Krag, and a superior rifle in most respects, from period accounts.]
Perfectly stated.
Thanks for facing possibly career-ending consequences for sharing this.
That point being made, as far as Obama and our current crop of risk averse officers are concerned, lying on the floor waiting for a madmans bullet is exactly what they determine is “acceptable risk”.
See, a base of CCW packing soldiers represents a career risk. A base of dead soldiers shot by a madman does not.
Forget authorizing CCW on post directly, because risk scared commanders will just ignore it . We need to make it a Congressional law that any post commander who doesn’t authorize CCW and suffers a spree shooting is immediately cashiered from service for dereliction of duty on the spot, no questions asked, no appeal offered or given. Since the lives of our servicemembers clearly aren’t good enough reason, maybe we need to put someone’s rank on the line instead.
If it works for DUIs by the junior enlisted , it works for officers too. I say again- if your base suffers a spree shooting and your command doesn’t permit carry on post, your resignation is due by Close of Business the next day.
No.
Ifs.
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The LT suffers under the misunderstanding that the politicans aren’t already aware that restrictive gun laws do not protect people, they only make them more vulnerable victims. The LT thinks that’s a flaw, an unintended side-effect. He’s wrong, its the goal.
Not a flaw, its a feature.
Politicians, particularly those in the states with the most restrictive regulations, the most confiscatory taxes, want the people vulnerable. Want the people stripped of the means to defend themselves against the state. Their vulnerability to crime as a result is something that can be leveraged to force greater dependency on the state, and as a rationalization for even stricter gun regulations.
The anti-gun politicians aren’t anti-gun really– they are anti-gun in the hands of the general public. They are for a more vulnerable general public.
Puerto Rico is just like any other Latin American country which has been infected with liberal statist ideas. A beautiful island suffering from the cancerous tumors of institutionalized multi-generational welfare and deeply imbeded corruption. Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens by birth yet are subject to second class status in regards to the 2A. These hard working people have been seduced by the Siren’s call of the false illusion of the state taking care of all your needs from cradle to grave.
when you know what a 1911 is and how it works when you were 8 years old.
For years gun owners were silent. The Brady act, The “Assault” weapons ban, and other gun control trash flew through congress.
Now we are a huge voice that DC fears. We vote…..and this is our issue. Press the fight Robert!
Idiots. If there are 4 people in the room and there are 3 guns you obviously need to get another gun for the 4 person to shoot. Otherwise some poor bastard is going to get stuck loading mags and miss out on all the fun.
Also, if there are 4 liberals in the room and one is a woman, how many have a big vagina?
I’m sorry, that was disparaging to vaginas.
Just as an FYI regarding the picture of the m113 (ie. “the tank”), there are no Jefferson counties in or in close proximity to Nevada. There are about 26 counties named “Jefferson” around the country. So not sure why this picture is getting associated with this. Besides, I don’t think a county sheriff from out of state would be lending their equipment or assistance to the federal BLM for actions in another state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_County
If ANYONE is breaking through my door and threatening, I’m NOT asking questions! The gun is in my hand and I’m pulling the trigger! My gun is always close at hand and loaded if in my purse or open carry holster that policy has saved my life more than once! My RIGHT to defense superceeds all laws.
peirson, grow some balls!
I am a college student right now, without a lot of money. I competitively shot trap all through high school. My first two years, I used a field grade Remington spartan O/U 20 gauge. Junior year, I had enough saved up to buy a used 12 ga. Beretta 682X for $900. It was built in 1990, so its 4 years older than I am! But it still locks up like a bank vault, and has beautiful balance.
The difference between my two shotguns is night and day. You can’t shoot a shotgun well if you have to think about it. It had to become an extension of yourself, always perfectly parallel with your line of sight. And that costs money. 4 grand is nothing compared to what many people spend on their guns. And 4 grand is even more nothing compared to the price of the shells that will be shot through your shotgun.
I can’t believe the rude and demeaning remarks some of you ” men ” wrote about Stephanie, she’s done nothing to any of you, but you call her slandering names. What if she were your sister…mother or another female that is important in your life that you would die or kill for to defend her reputation ? I’m a RED NECK and Vietnam Vet and damn proud of my Country, Old Glory, being Southern-born and my Rights to Bear Arms. If you don’t like the show, you probably have 315 other channels you could turn to. Most of the comments posted sound like they come from Kool Aid drinkin’, glassy-eyed, liberals and haters that have nothing better to do than sling mud ( I cleaned it up a bit…I live in cattle-country and we call it BULLSHIT ) at people , in this case RJF, tryin’ to make a livin’ in this economy thats almost bellied-up because of obama and his cronies in charge.And if you are like that blackrock or blackstone…you’re thinking with the wrong head ! And like most of the haters here, you’re probably holding onto the wrong head pissing in the toilet !
If in some hell-on-Earth I could only have one gun, it would be my ’79 vintage Marlin 1894C in .357 Magnum. 38 special wadcutters for squirrels and varmints, up to full house mags for deer and black bear (and apparently now cougars in Missouri). It’s a reloaders dream. And with the XS ghost ring sights, quite fast.
Why not wait till you know something?
You know this guy does drugs.
The cattle ranchers from Nevada and across the U.S. are calling Bundy a deadbeat and Welfare rancher while they pay their grazing bill willingly. They get a good deal from the federal government to graze their cattle compared to paying private landowners. They pay $1.35 per head to BLM when private landowners charge $25 to $35 per head.
Beyond paying a grazing fee, federal lands ranchers are responsible for managing the land and resources, including caring for wildlife habitat, managing noxious weeds, and decreasing potential wildfire fuels. While the relationship between the federal government and ranchers is a well-understood business agreement in most cases, for one Nevada the rancher, the relationship has turned south.
Bundy and his family previously held grazing permits on approximately 600,000 acres in an area owned by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management called Gold Butte. In 1998, this land was declared habitat for the desert tortoise, which is protected under the Endangered Species Act, making it off limits for cattle grazing.
The Bundy’s battle with the BLM started five years earlier. The family stopped paying the federal grazing fee for the land in 1993. According to Bundy, he owes the federal government back-fees totaling approximately $300,000. BLM, however, estimates that figure is more than $1 million.
In July 2013, Bundy was issued a third Court Order directing him to remove his livestock from the land within 45 days. If the animals were not removed, according to the Order, they could be seized by the BLM. Since that time, the family refused to comply with the Order.
The fact of the mater is that the BLM is trying to get rid of ranchers. That is why Bundy is the last rancher in Clark county. That is why Wayne Hage won his court case. He documented how the BLM acts towards ranchers.
http://vimeo.com/8520897#at=0
If the BLM is worried about fees why have they not payed the Hage family as ordered by the court?
It is not true what you say about ranchers calling him a dead beat. Those that understand the situation, those that ranch in the western states in the desert who actually have to work with the BLM and Forest Service stand by him.
Yeah, thanks for saying that. I very much doubted that statement also.
“In 1998, this land was declared habitat for the desert tortoise, which is protected under the Endangered Species Act, making it off limits for cattle grazing.”
Bingo! After 100 years of a perfectly good deal, they arbitrarily up and designated it “protected,” seized control and started harassing him, all on the pretext of some tortoise, while the real deal is it was a grab by some Harry Reid crony to give a sweetheart deal to some no doubt environmentally well-connected Chinese solar power company.
THAT is what the protest is about.
Do you see the point of the protest now?
“some Harry Reid crony”
The crony is Rory Reid, Harry’s son and proxy criminal. The “kid” fronts for Harry’s criminal empire.
Jews Ordered to Register in Eastern Ukraine:
http://patriotupdate.com/2014/04/jews-ordered-register-east-ukraine/
ON THE INTERNET, no one can hear you scream.
This is the sort of thing Putin sought to protect the Crimeans from.