Alabama Senate Committee Passes Constitutional Carry Bill, Disappointing Red Shirted Moms

Alabama concealed carry moms demand

(AP Photo/John Hanna)

Open carry is legal in Alabama. Just about any adult who isn’t a prohibited person can carry a handgun for all to see without a permit. But if you want to put a shirt tail or a jacket over your pistol, that requires special permission from the state.

Yesterday the Alabama Senate Judiciary Committee approved a bill to eliminate the permission slip. That would make the Yellowhammer State another constitutional carry jurisdiction if it becomes law.

You can imagine how happy that made a few (incoherent) law enforcement officers and red-shirted hoplophobic harridans.

Montgomery County Sheriff Derrick Cunningham and Lee County Sheriff Jay Jones spoke in opposition to the bill, saying the permit requirement is an important tool for law enforcement.

Sheriff(s) also depend on pistol permit fees to help support their operations.

Dana Ellis of Hoover (not pictured above), a volunteer leader with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, which promotes policies to reduce gun violence, and Sonny Brasfield, executive director of the Association of County Commissions of Alabama, also spoke in opposition to the bill.

“Lawmakers who support eliminating the permitting system that keeps us safe don’t stand for Alabama voters,” Ellis said in a statement released by the organization. “What this comes down to is responsible gun ownership. If you want to carry a concealed gun in public, you should go through a background check.”

– Mike Cason in Committee approves bill to repeal Alabama pistol permit requirement

comments

  1. avatar Texican says:

    How did the Sheriffs ever fund themselves before the permit system? They must have had it so hard!

    1. avatar doesky2 says:

      Well if it was a Democrat run county they probably charged black people to vote.

      1. avatar Pete says:

        Pretty sure the permit system was instituted to keep Black folk from having guns…

        1. avatar Anton Solomyr says:

          Kind of like how gun control began as a means to deny non-whites their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms (thus denying them the means to defend themselves and their homes and families).

          Jim Crow laws saw to that.

        2. avatar Lance says:

          Which is kinda funny.

          They believe Voter ID is racist because people like me are too stupid to get an ID.
          Yet they fully support special ID (in some cases genuinely expensive ID) to carry a firearm. I guess I’m genetically incapable of higher thinking required to carry.

          But CLEARLY that’s not racist because they’re CLEARLY not racist…

        3. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Interesting to note…

          I’ve voted in every election since I turned 18 long ago, and always here in L.A. County. For the first time, this week’s voting procedure was converted to electronic voting. No more paper ballots. It seemed to go well, so no complaints from me so far.

          However, for the first time ever, the check-in stations were requiring ID(!!) to get a blank ballot. Everyone had to present proof of identity that had the ability to be scanned by barcode. About 1 in 5 (such as me) were presenting their Voter Packet, while most were using their CA driver license. That info was scanned into the system as proof that you are, indeed, YOU. So far, so good.

          What bothered me, though, is the fact that the blank ballot was then run through a printer which added additional information about you before being given to you. The entire reason why I’ve never voted by mail was because I believe the actual votes themselves should be “blind” and anonymous. In the past, once I signed in, I was given a random paper ballot to use in the classic “punch” booth. Anonymous. Now, your identity is scanned in, and your blank ballot is augmented with this information, making it possible for TPTB to link your vote to your name. I do not like this at all.

          Voter ID to check in? Yes, I’m fine with it.
          Removing the anonymous privacy from my vote? No, I’m not fine with it.

        4. avatar Joel says:

          I haz a question, in TX the votes are still anonymous even though ID is required. I’ve never understood the resistance to ID voting (unless your not eligible, and want to vote anyway) but you just gave the first legitimate reason for not IDing voters I’ve ever heard.

        5. avatar Gray says:

          That’s exactly why “May Issue” carry laws were passed. Most gun control was passed to disarm the intended victims of the Klan lynch mobs. The original magazine bans were intended to keep magazine fed weapons, such as the Henry and Spencer rifles, out of the hands of the freed slaves.

        6. avatar Perry says:

          @IHazAQuestion:

          Perhaps you could perform an act of Irish Democracy, and totally deface the barcodes (or whatever) that identify your ballot. First get an OK from some legal foundation that is willing to sue if they don’t accept. Ballots are to remain secret.

    2. avatar Ghost Who Walks says:

      Graft?

    3. avatar Ben B. says:

      They’ve had pistol permits since 1936, as far back as I could see…

    4. avatar Rattlerjake says:

      What this means is that they will have to buy their own donuts for breakfast!

  2. avatar Thixotropic says:

    BIG Govt has PROVEN to NOT BE THE ANSWER to just about everything.

    BIG Govt background checks included.

    BIG Govt cannot be expected to fix everything wrong with your little lives, Snowflakes.

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.”
    Thomas Jefferson

    1. avatar enuf says:

      Quotations attributed to any of the Founders always require careful checking. Jefferson did not say that. It is a quote from “Crimes and Punishments” by Cesare Beccaria, published in Italy in 1764.

      Jefferson included an excerpt from Beccaria’s essay in his own notes as a young law student. He called these notes his “Legal Commonplace Book”, in which many thoughts and observations on common law were made. He continued to use the book and add to it for many years.

      So he agreed with it, but he did not say or write it.

      1. avatar Dude says:

        You just said he wrote it in his book 😉

        1. avatar enuf says:

          Yes, Jefferson quoted another writer. That is very different from originating the statement himself.

        2. avatar Dude says:

          Lighten up

        3. avatar Vic Nighthorse says:

          It is better that we get our story straight. Clearly TJ agreed with the sentiment and translated it in 2A friendly manner but was not the author. Facts matter. If we don’t vet them ourselves the errors will be used against us.

      2. avatar Rattlerjake says:

        The reason it is attributed to Jefferson is because he repeated it and he wrote it in his book. The originator is a relative unknown to most people, especially Americans. Many of the thngs attributed to our founders came from other people, for example, the majority of the Constitution was taken from Vattel’s book, “Law of nations”.

  3. avatar cgray says:

    I can assure you that “mom” pictured won’t get any “action” from this guy.

    1. avatar Dude says:

      She probably wouldn’t be interested unless you’re an outraged, intersectional “female”.

    2. avatar R Davis says:

      “After twenty years of wanting to speak to the manager, Karen reached her final form”

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        You just won the Interwebz today. Well played, sir. Well played.

    3. avatar CharlieKing1 says:

      That redshirted ‘mom’ pictured in the article and all the rest of the ‘moms’ can go pound sand. They can be disappointed until the cows come home. Let them wallow in their bitterness. Glad to see the push back and a win for the 2A crowd.

  4. avatar Dude says:

    “It’s legal in Alabama to openly carry a handgun. But to carry a concealed gun or a loaded gun in a vehicle requires a permit from a county sheriff.”

    Then there’s essentially no way to carry in cold weather without the permission slip. You would also have to unload your firearm every time you got back into your vehicle because reasons?

    Even in the so called free states the endless list of laws and regs can become confusing.

    1. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

      If it is like PA, unloading a gun before getting into a vehicle does not make it legal.

      To legally transport a firearm in a vehicle in PA without a license to carry, or a license from any other state if you are not a PA resident, you have to be going to a very small set of specifically listed places such as the range, gun shop, or gun smith.

      Not sure about Alabama law on that though.

      1. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

        And I should add that you have to be going directly to and from those places. You can’t stop to use the bathroom or get gas on the way there without breaking the law.

        You certainly can’t get away with “Well officer, I was heading to the range after I go to the grocery store, the hardware store, drop the kids at the mall, and stop by my cousin’s house for a bit.”

        1. avatar Ginder12 says:

          Pa also has open carry without a permit, castle doctrine which considers your vehicle as part of your domicile, STYG, shall issue, a strong preemption law. We are a pretty free state with room for improvement. I think Legal Heat gives pa a 4 out of 5

        2. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

          But you need an LTCF (or license permit from any other state if non resident) to carry in a vehicle and to transport in a vehicle you have to be going to specific places.

          You can OC on foot in PA all day long without an LTCF but you cannot get in a car, on a bicycle, on a riding lawn mower, or even a skateboard without one unless you are going to the range, gunshop, gun smith, etc.

        3. avatar Bjl4776 says:

          Alabama is weird on this one. Open carry is legal, but vehicle carry is not. It has to be unloaded and locked away from driver (glovebox doesn’t count). So when you go somewhere you have to open your trunk, insert mag, rack slide, and holster. Not to mention the safety implications, I’m sure it won’t get the cops called on you in a busy parking lot.

        4. avatar GS650G says:

          https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-information/Pages/Carrying-Firearms-in-Pennsylvania.aspx

          I wouldn’t carry guns in a car without a permit since they technically can do you without one should you not be directly going to a range or hunting. Not as stringent as MD but if the cop wants to do you he can.
          in actual practice if you don’t look up to no good most will just ignore it. In Philly you’re going to need a permit to keep out of trouble.

          Drive like you’re on your drivers license test in any case.

        5. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

          GS650G the cops can and will bust you, and many people have gotten in trouble for having a gun in a vehicle without an LTCF.

          In Philly an LTCF is required for any carry of a firearm, open or concealed, excpet for going directly to range, gun shop, gun smith, etc.

        6. avatar GS650G says:

          “GS650G the cops can and will bust you, and many people have gotten in trouble for having a gun in a vehicle without an LTCF.”
          I think I said that and you agree with me.
          In general traveling with firearms far from home in other states is always a risky move no matter what the laws are. Local law enforcement view outsiders with guns as suspicious and looking for trouble.

      2. avatar frank speak says:

        certainly does if you’re hunting…but PA usually applies that “firearm” moniker to pistols….

  5. avatar Knobbytire says:

    Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America Got action on gun sense, but not the kind of action they were expecting.

  6. avatar Huntmaster says:

    What’s with the George Washington thing she’s got going on there

    1. avatar The Pontificator says:

      I’ll bet she’s a riot at parties.

    2. avatar Everyday_Carrier says:

      Hey don’t slander that man 😉

  7. avatar bryan1980 says:

    I like how these people are always saying “the majority of the people want…..”. As if that’s supposed to trump the Bill of Rights.

    1. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

      Even if the majority wanted this, it’s a Constitutional Republic and requires 2/3 of congress and senate or 2/3 of the state. Until the moms and Bloomie control 2/3 they can kick rocks.

    2. avatar GS650G says:

      they are referencing the people they know and numbers in polls conducted by those who support them.

      1. avatar bryan1980 says:

        Oh, I know. They’d probably want to get rid of the electoral college, too.

        1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

          Well of course can’t have the rubes having a say in how their betters run their lives. Oh and tyranny of the majority is totally made up unless it impacts obviously beneficial progressive issues.

    3. avatar Hush says:

      Bryan 1980, “Lawmakers who support eliminating the permitting system that keeps us safe don’t stand for Alabama voters,” Ellis said.
      How does Ellis know What Alabama voters want? MSM says similar things almost daily using words like: majority, most of the people, everybody knows etc
      They don’t know and this equates to just more “fake news”, half truths, whole lies etc!!

  8. avatar eagle10 says:

    Did those MDA’s (More Dumb Americans) have to undergo a background check if they wanted to speak? They should need special permission from the state if they want to exercise their 1st Amendment rights in public.

    1. avatar Hush says:

      Seems to me a lot of MDA’s speak is Hate Speech!

      1. avatar LazrBeam says:

        Maybe they need to be “red flagged”.

    2. avatar Perry says:

      Sensible Speech Control NOW!

      If the First Amendment were treated like the Second Amendment, then all reporters would need a tax stamp for full-auto printing presses.

  9. avatar Sal Chichon says:

    Whenever law enforcement officers are unhappy about advancements in the free exercise of the 2nd Amendment, that makes me happy – it makes me very, very happy. Why is that the case for me? It’s because that means the Constitution is working. That document does not exist to make lives of Government agents easier. The Bill of Rights, and the rest of the Constitution exists for the People, not the police. If LEOs want to live in a country where they can exert as much power as they want over the population, may I suggest they move to China, because they certainly don’t belong here.

  10. avatar Arc says:

    All these old and ugly women who are trying to force their biological predisposition to nannying onto the people via controlling the state and its hordes of stolen resources from we the people.

    Pass that Constitutional carry! Next up, sanctuary states that nullify the GCA and NFA!

  11. avatar jwm says:

    Red shirts? Did these hags never watch Star Trek?

    1. avatar hawkeye says:

      …dang, double sawbuck for a new keyboard…

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      There used to be a tshirt with the communicator insignia on the left chest and on the back it said “He’s dead Jim. You take his tricorder, I’ll get his wallet”. That shirt came in blue and only in blue.

      Made me chuckle.

  12. avatar guy says:

    Wheres the pepper that bitch is looking salty

  13. avatar GS650G says:

    That is what disappointed looks like in flaming red

    1. avatar Void says:

      While not particularly aesthetic it is pleasing to see.

    2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      And this is what it looks like in fluorescent green:

      1. avatar UpInArms says:

        I am sooooo grateful she does not live next door to me.

        1. avatar N64456 says:

          I’d love to have her next to me… I’d troll and taunt her mercilessly… I’d set up my sprinklers so that they sprayed her sidewalk, and have them set to a motion sensor aimed at her door… 😂😂😂😂😂

      2. avatar George from Alaska says:

        Another sexual confused, morally corrupt total and complete loser… we really don’t need this level of emotional ridiculousness on our planet.

    3. avatar GS650G says:

      Whoever her same sex partner is it’s going to be a rough night. You can just tell.

  14. avatar JayB says:

    Oh how I wish Maryland’s gun grabbers simply argued for shall issue permits with a background check. Here in the so-called “Free State,” Bloomberg’s moms fight to the death in defense of Maryland’s may issue rationing policy. Except, of course, elected officials exempted themselves from having to demonstrate a special “need” for self defense. With veto-proof liberal majorities in both houses of the state legislature, relief can only come for the Supreme Court. Perhaps someday, SCOTUS will establish constitutional carry nationwide.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Every state that signs on is one step closer. Personally I would love to see Pennsylvania if only for the hilarity it would cause around Philly.

  15. avatar Serpent_Vision says:

    “Gun Sense in America, which promotes policies [that aspire] to reduce gun violence” would have been more accurate.

  16. avatar Stateisevil says:

    Heroes of law enforcement will nuke it as always.

  17. avatar Mr. Tactical says:

    Oh my, doesn’t she look like the most pleasant little old lady ever?

    1. avatar Southern Cross says:

      It must be hell to be one of her neighbors. She looks like the busybody who keeps looking in everyone else’s windows.

    2. avatar N64456 says:

      That’s one ugly dude…

  18. avatar bryan1980 says:

    I just feel sorry for the poor bastards that have to be married to them.

  19. avatar NORDNEG says:

    And maybe they should vote for sheriff’s that will uphold the constitution like the majority of them do.

    1. avatar SAFEupstateFML says:

      Depending on election system and population density this is sometimes impossible without expending pyrric amounts of resources. I do not expect my state to ever vote for more liberty but I fully support anyone trying to.

  20. avatar Kahlil says:

    Is it just me or does the lady in the pic look like the Church Lady from SNL?

    My county in Va just dropped $35 off the cost of cc permits. Gonna hurt budget a little but iirc the sheriffs office was open to the change and I think endorsed it. Now cc permits should cost $15.

  21. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Too bad, so sad, Demanding Commie Mommy’s will have to pound sand, the Constitution wins again.

  22. avatar strych9 says:

    The vindictive part of me would love to walk up to some of these demanding moms and say “This is what Democracy looks like” just to spite them.

    But, sadly, the double and triple irony of that statement would likely be lost on them.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      I wouldn’t call it democracy, more like rule of law and order of men.

      Say MEN very loudly, that’s bound to set her off and you can then defend yourself properly.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        “I wouldn’t call it democracy, more like rule of law and order of men.”

        Part of the irony I was referring to.

  23. avatar SteveO says:

    Fixed properly:

    “What this comes down to is responsible speaking and opining. If you want to carry a book, paper, writing instrument, opinion and speak in public, you should go through a background check.”

    1. avatar Perry says:

      Further, “If you wish to use a full-auto distribution system such as the internet, you must pass another background check and pay $$$ for a tax stamp.”

      If any part of the Bill of Rights can have restrictions, then ALL of them must have the same restriction.

      Aside: I am only saying this to tweak the leftist media.

  24. avatar Gregolas says:

    Beth Alcazar, USCCA trainer and Associate Editor of “Concealed Carry” magazine, and member of BamaCarry, gave a great testimony that helped carry the day against the Demanding Mothers and the greedy Sheriffs.
    The battle isn’t over here, though. This the 3rd time BarryCarry has led the charge through the committee, only to see it shunted aside by parliamentary maneuvers to keep it from going to the Senate floor for a vote. The Sheriff’s Association is powerful, and only a minority are in favor of Constitutinal Carry.

    1. avatar LazrBeam says:

      I’m in Bama and all for Constitutional Carry but will prolly still get a CCW for reciprocity when I cross state lines. I’m only 15 miles from TN and our youngest son and his family live in Nashville. All of the adjoining states recognize our CCW’s and we theirs. Although not adjoining, an exception down here is SC. Not sure what’s up with that.

  25. avatar Jason Statham says:

    “If you want to carry a concealed gun in public, you should go through a background check.”

    Like, when they bought the gun?

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      Just like the background check criminals use when they carry concealed.

      Yup.

    2. avatar Jim Bob says:

      “If you want to LEGALLY carry a concealed gun in public, you should go through a background check.”

      There is no law that can force violent criminals to get permits before they carry a concealed weapon in public.

  26. avatar Kimber says:

    The article is really inconsequential. It has no bearing on the November election. In November Biden will win by the biggest margin in the history of politics. As we speak, Betois capturing the entire state of Texas and many of the southern states including Alabama. One Obama endorses Biden, it’s over. No need to vote in November penis envy owners. The new gun czar Beto will have all your guns in his back pocket.

    1. avatar GS650G says:

      And you’ll like the taste of our boots as we present them my dear friend.

    2. avatar UpInArms says:

      Wow. That’s some really potent shit you been smokin’. Where can I get some?

    3. avatar JD says:

      Is Beta Boy coming to collect them himself? Should be fun. Hope he comes to my house first.

    4. avatar Geoff "Trolls, the other white meat" PR says:

      “No need to vote in November penis envy owners.”

      That’s *exactly* what I’m counting on.

      You Leftist scum being so convinced Trump won’t win, a healthy percentage of you just won’t bother to vote, handing victory to Trump.

      Because that’s *exactly* what bit you in the ass in 2019. You were so convinced Hillary would win in a landslide, lots of you decided to stay home.

      Believe those polls, boy… 😉

  27. avatar CT Yankee says:

    Moms Demand Action?
    Lever Action, Bolt Action, Single Action or Double Action?

  28. avatar Nikkitt123 says:

    How perfect… in Star Trek the ones wearing red shirts died first…

  29. How is Gun Control For Public Safety NOT FRAUD?

  30. avatar Top says:

    So, I guess “If you want to carry a concealed gun in public, you should go through a background check” means Ellis was daydreaming through part of this and missed the part where this ruling pertains to OPEN CARRY. Concealed carry still requires a permit.

    1. avatar William Lawrence Powell says:

      They already do.

  31. avatar PMinFl says:

    That woman doesn’t look too happy.
    ………………GOOD……………………………

  32. avatar Greg Chamberlain says:

    Good for the people of Alabama!!.. the BOR says people have a right to arms, yet the sheriff and politicians see the citizens as a cash cow. So they raped the people they work for by requiring them to get a permit that the citizens shouldn’t have to have in the first place.

    Sad state when the head LEOs don’t realize that citizen are more safe than before. They say open carry is a distraction, but put red tape on hiding the firearm from public view?….INSANE practice!!!

  33. avatar M1Lou says:

    Karen looks mad, like there isn’t a manager anywhere to be found.

  34. You posted the perfect photo of the poster child for the group , nice smile on her . maybe if she tried a shooting sport she could smile and be happy like the rest of us .

  35. avatar George from Alaska says:

    That red-shirted thing up front in the picture looks like a man dressed as a woman, with a scarf hiding it’s adam’s apple … “Not that there’s anything wrong with that!”
    So they rely on fees to keep sheriffs on board?? They probably also set up speed traps in weird places simply to make money and not to prevent traffic issues.
    I’ve been to Alabama and maybe the problem is there are too many short, fat, red faced, dumb as a turnip sheriffs already wasting Alabama’s oxygen supply. What kind of law enforcement officer would rather have people open carrying instead of carrying discretely? If felons and other prohibited persons are caught with a gun they should be pressed between big stones until they say they are sorry… and then pressed some more…on TV, livestreamed on Facebook, at the City Center.

  36. avatar The Rookie says:

    Mom, nothing. That’s John McGlothlin in drag!

  37. avatar Biff Baxter says:

    Judging by her mood, I’d say somebody isn’t getting any tonight!

  38. avatar Steve says:

    I don’t support gun control and background checks. I support the death penalty. It has always worked without flaw.
    It guarantees the criminals will not ever cause harm to people and animals again. And others will think twice before causing harm.
    Respectfully
    Steve

  39. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    A little progress is better than none. And there is none in New Jersey or California. It’s amazing how two former Slave states. Kentucky. And one, Mississippi, a member of the Confederate States of America. Both now have Constitutional Carry. Blacks and everyone else don’t need a permission slip to carry concealed anymore.
    In the Liberal states racist gun control is alive and well. Supported openly by the white Liberals who run the states.

    The times sure have changed. For the good.
    (smile)

    btw
    It was white liberals who traveled down south to help register blacks to vote in the 1950s. Those same white Liberals told the local blacks who were surrounded by the KKK, to disarm. Years later those same white Liberals would support the KKK marching through black neighborhoods while carrying guns. I think white Liberals are the devil. As Steven Crowder says, “change my Mind”.

    Please read the following if you have any questions:
    1. Negroes and the Gun, the black tradition of arms
    by Nicholas Johnson 2014

    2. Negroes with Guns
    by Robert F. Williams 1962

    3. The Deacons for Defense: Armed Resistance and the Civil Rights Movement
    by Lance Hill 2006

  40. avatar Jeffrey Kaye says:

    Received my renewed Driver’s License a few weeks before the primaries (TX) and it indicates I’m a registered voter, a veteran. When I went to the polling station, I signed in, showed my ID, which was barcode scanned, given my paper ballot and off I went to vote. No problems, no issues.

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