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“There were recent reports in St. Louis, Missouri, that a 38-year-old woman, while out on a date, got into a violent altercation with her boyfriend,” Las Vegas gun store owner Bob Irwin blogs over at “She ended up pulling her gun and firing at him to keep him away from her.” Wait. What? You fire at someone only when they pose an imminent credible threat of death or grievous bodily harm. Did that apply here? Maybe. Anyway . . .

She returned home, shaken up from the experience that could have been deadly. Though a bullet she fired during the initial altercation reportedly grazed the man, he had also escaped serious injury.

We could discount the fact that she didn’t call the police to report the initial incident as trauma related. Or surmise that there was some alcohol involved. Or that the shooter may have initiated the violent altercation. Or escalated it. Especially as things got weird from there . . .

A short time later, she responded to a knock at her door and saw a man on her front porch who appeared to be a police officer. Shortly after opening the door, however, she realized the man was her boyfriend in disguise.

He was able to escape further injury as he ran away from her home amid a hail of gunfire. The suspect was treated for his injuries and now faces at least a charge of impersonating an officer.

Shooting after a fleeing person is a no-no — unless the citizen in question is kidnapping someone. More than that, it behooves us all to have a reasonable belief that a police officer is a police officer. You are well within your rights not to open the door and call 911 to verify the visitor’s identify. And should never pull over for a cop in a deserted area, especially if you’re a woman.

Anyway, stories like this remind me of an English expression: there’s nought as queer as folk. And I mean that in the non-homophobic, non-hoplohobic sense of the word.

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  1. While the fact that he later came after her as a fake cop indicates that he probably was indeed a threat worthy of shooting at, her actions indicate that we’d all probably be better off if she wasn’t armed and at large.

    Lastly, why would they say she was on a date but not say if she was on a date with the boyfriend or with somebody else?

    • Second, why the hell would you open the door if it IS a cop?

      Jesus, take a shower and get the residue off you first at least.

  2. Wow. Dude, just let it go.

    When a woman fires a shot at you, it’s well past time to start considering that maybe she’s just not that into you.

    I don’t know, that’s just how I was raised.

  3. Robert, I would amend citizen in question to subject or person, since you likely don’t know their immigration status. Call me pickey but….

  4. She’s lucky that he didn’t punch her lights out.

    He’s lucky that she didn’t marry him, divorce him and end up owning the trailer.

  5. “Shooting after a fleeing person is a no-no — unless the citizen in question is kidnapping someone.”

    You may be justified in shooting a fleeing person if the crime is ongoing. IE kidnapping, mass shooting etc. You need to be able to justify your expectations of an ongoing crime such as the shooter going from classroom to classroom.

  6. Guy’s a slow learner. After a gal shoots at me just once I feel unappreciated and move on.
    Couln’t this be considered one really long shooting incident?

  7. Call 911 to verify its a real cop pulling you over?

    LOL, you’d be charged with a felony for doing this in most places. Many cops lose their minds if you don’t pull over in 0.32 seconds.

    Everytime an impersonator story comes up, the cops always say to call them if you are unsure… Some people have done that only to be arrested and face felony charges.

  8. Its lucky for him to recieve a hail of gunfire instead of a blizzard of bullets……. Showed up dressed as a cop, I thought when ever they show up, your supposed to throw open the door and invite them in for a cookies and milk?

    • It depends on where you live. In some places, you know every police officer on the force by their first name, and you invite them in for beer and chips on their day off.

  9. TTAG, a blog, is quoting ammoland, a blog, which cites, a blog, which cites all the way back to, a blog. Bearing arms cites “Police in St. Louis, MO say” and nothing more.


  10. “Shooting after a fleeing person is a no-no …”

    True in most instances.

    Possible exception:
    (a) a violent attacker has a firearm
    (b) said violent attacker just shot at you
    (c) said violent attacker is still holding their firearm
    (d) said violent attacker is “fleeing”

    In the above exception, the violent attacker clearly established that they are a credible, imminent threat to your life because they have a firearm and just shot at you. As long as they are within proximity to you, their exact location, direction of movement, speed of movement, and which direction they are facing does not change the fact that they still present a credible, imminent threat to your life. And the explanation is simple: they are still armed and could immediately resume shooting at you at any instant. Unless they drop their firearm, they are still a credible threat.

    Note: I am not an attorney and my opinion above is not legal advice. Consult your attorney about the laws in your area.


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