If there’s anything different about the post-Parkland call for gun control, it’s the very public lobbying efforts of teenage students who survived the massacre. Gun control advocates have placed the kids’ angry condemnation of pro gun rights politicians front and center in the media’s thinly veiled (if at all) support for civilian disarmament. The teen-flavored #enough campaign will culminate in a National School Walkout on March 14. My teenage daughter is . . .
happy to take a day off from school for any reason. But she’s going to class that day.
Yes, I’ll be “forcing” her to go; turning her back on her education in the name of restricting citizens’ civil rights is not an option.
If your brood includes a teenage child, does your support for freedom of speech include letting your kid bunk school to lobby for gun control?
Good info and a good read to be certain. I disagree with .357 being the winner based on gun/ammo availability and price. We are comparing the .357 vs 10mm head to head. Sure it may be more expensive for the guns and ammo but in that case 9mm must beat both since guns and ammo can be had for cheaper.
The one debatable point is that the 10mm wound channel was significantly wider but the .357s was longer (keep your dirty jokes to yourself). However over-penetration is a real concern so maybe this is still in the 10mms favor. The tipping point is the 10mms higher capacity and quicker reloads which would make it the winner in my humble opinion.
Full disclosure: I carry 9mm so I have no dog in this fight. However, I did just help my buddy who lives in Alaska pick up a Glock 20 for when he is snowboarding through bear country. If you are going to pack a magnum revolver might as well grab a .44… just saying.
Hard cast lead bullets from Cor Bon or Buffalo Bore would give better penetration in the magnum. And the revolver won’t jam if the bear has you down and you have to fire at odd angles and in contact with the animal.
Soldiers and cops need the semi. Outdoorsmen need the revolver.
But I’m not king of the world. Yet. So carry what suits you.
People don’t often consider the possibility of FTF in a close contact defensive situation ala George Zimmerman. It can also be applied to a wild animal attack. Also not considered by people who have limited experience is the very real possibility of limp wristing a glock 29 one handed shooting loaded with very hot ammo or the 2 finger magazine as some might do with CC. There are certain situations where higher capacity is a big plus but those situations exist almost exclusively in the realm of hypothetical.
Walk out of school, for any reason… that’s a paddling.
I asked my oldest son if he knew anything about any walkouts at his school. He had no idea what I was talking about, and laughed at the notion that anyone in his school would participate.
There is nothing that really can be done. We have created a society fixated on guns. What happens as a result of that tunnel vision is simply seen as collateral damage, and Second Amendment Rights zealots simply DO NOT CARE. Their love for their guns outweigh their ability to care about anyone who is outside their immediate circle jerk.
Instead of whining about guns, do something legitimate. Like start a drive to repeal the second amendment. That will keep you busy for at least a year, right?
This un-American notion that the constitution does not matter, that we can’t let the constitution get in the way of doing the right thing has been tried before. You may like the outcome of that effort, but it cost 600,000 dead to prove the constitution is to be honored only when it serves a popular purpose. Are you proposing to have another go at it?
Since you are late to the party, let me pose something submitted a few days ago, then answer the question at the bottom:
“How many existing laws were broken during the shooting?
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Premeditated murder
Murder
Attempted murder
Aggravated assault
Assault with a deadly weapon
Assault and battery
Assault Threatening and intimidating
Conspiracy to commit felony
Conspiracy to commit misdemeanor
Aiding and abetting
Providing firearm to minor
Providing handgun to minor
Possession of firearm by minor
Possession of handgun by minor
Possession of firearm by minor without federally required permission slip from parent or guardian
Use of firearm or bomb to commit murder that is federally prosecutable
Brandishing a gun
Gun on school grounds
Possession of ammunition on school grounds
Discharging firearm in city limits
Discharging firearm on school grounds with reckless disregard for another person’s safety
Disturbing the peace
Committing a hate crime
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
What/which law not yet implemented would have overcome the violation of all the laws above, and stopped the shooter from attacking the school? “
Is it Liz Weekly or Liz, Weakly?
And what’s that sticking out of her lip? If it’s intended to be an appetite suppressant, it ain’t working.
OMG. What a bunch of gosiping grandmas here. Deleted my TTAG link for the irresponsible reporting and the bottom of the food chain followers when it comes to brains.
I no longer have any school aged children, but if I did, they’d be staying home with me that day so that I could continue a real education on the subject of firearms. Any parent who allows their child to be exploited by this leftist nonsense should have their parental rights terminated. This is just another form of child abuse for young pre-adults who’s brains are still developing, and are ripe for indoctrination. Shame on any parent who allows their child to be used like this!
Seeing as I work in the industry, I will take my son out of school that day and bring him to work so we can shoot together and then have him help me around the lab.
I have had my teenage child miss one day of school in order to assert her First Amendment rights at a pro-Second Amendment rally at my state’s capital.
So, no, I will not be excusing my teenage child from school to lobby for the abolition of our Second Amendment right.
No more soft targets. Guns trucks bombs gasoline are not going away in the hands of mentally ill. Protect soft targets (churches schools etc) as you would banks Then add laws and procedures to address background checks on mentally ill and departments talking and sharing information.
Here’s an idea: they want to ditch school that day? Fine. Take them and an couple of their friends shooting that day.
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I hardly comment, however i did a few searching and wound up here
Question of the Day: Is Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America A Misogynist Hate Group?
– The Truth About Guns. And I actually do have a couple of questions for you if
you usually do not mind. Could it be just me or does it give the impression like a few of
these remarks appear as if they are written by brain dead visitors?
😛 And, if you are posting at other places, I would like to follow everything new you
have to post. Could you list of the complete urls of your communal pages like your Facebook
page, twitter feed, or linkedin profile?
If it’s excused, then I’ll take them to the range. If not, then I might submit an “educational proposal” and take them anyway.
Of course people google gun control. The debate between isosceles and Weaver is never ending.
Fewer hunters. Less competition.
Am I being selfish?
Our lil patch of heaven here in PA we take hunting serious.
We’re careful about how many or what size game we take, or if we need to take at all.
A lot of people around me think I don’t hunt because I don’t bag 6 bucks a year.
There’s more to hunting than killing off the whole population of everything that isn’t human. 90% of true hunting is knowing the animals and the land. Once you master that, finding and killing something is easy.
The old timers used to tell of huge bucks and flocks of turkeys as far as the eye could see. Today the deer look like North Korean refugees.
Sometimes making America great again takes patience and tiny steps in key locations 😉
Of course eventually old ways of everything will be pushed aside, the battle today is that modern farming has made hunting a barbaric and obsolete blood sport…. right…
I am afraid the real die’ing race is the level headed conservative that cherishes core values and quality life.
I have owned a 509 for 9 mos or so. I love FN firearms (I own 5), and my carry gun is an FNS-9C. I love shooting the 509 – it’s comfortable, accurate and reliable. However, I experienced a major problem with it, particularly when I used it in a defensive shooting class that required various FTF drills. The springs on this thing were designed for Hercules. Other reviews have pointed out the left-to-right push on the magazine release is VERY heavy. It is. I’ve been shooting for 40 years, and this is the first pistol whose recoil spring is so powerful, I am unable to hold the slide back to manually lock it. The slide release lever? Fuhgeddaboutit. I would bet my life on this pistol if I knew nothing would ever go wrong. Unfortunately, Murphy’s Law is always hanging around. I just purchased a Walther PPQ M2 Q4 TAC, and I am in defensive pistol heaven.
It seem like every time someone shits their pants we all now have to wear diapers!!!
I hope you all realize that if you hang a rifle by its trigger, it will likely fire until empty; that is what bump fire is, but horizontal and controlled by conscious human action.
Trump just made noises about banning all semi autos with this memo.
We need about a million videos of unassisted bumpfire sent to that man’s Twitter account, yesterday.
I think most of them are looking for a reason to get out of class.
Get em before they’re banned. Thought I had a few more years before we had to worry about that again.
Remember when the Westboro guys gave their kids picket signs that said “God hates fags”? This is the same kinda crap. Dumb, entitled Gen-Z kids can’t think for themselves at all.
Please stop the selective and inaccurate reading of history and throwing around ideology in place of critical thinking about “liberal” interpretations. terms . In defense of a personal right to bear arms you are both misreading the Second Amendment, Madison’s intent and why there was a Bill of Rights on the First place. Let’s start with the specific language of the Second Amendment, then intent and finally the reasons for a Biil of Rights.
The Second Amendment is one sentence and not two and this is no accident. First, rules of grammar which Madison was keenly aware of: “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed” is a subordinate clause and only can be understood as modifying the Independent clause (the subject) “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,…” In other words it was always intended as one thought and never two or Madison would have written two sentences, plain and simple.
Second, you point to the American Revolution, but lets look at a more recent event closer to the mind of Madison and Washington, Shay’s Rebellion where nearly 4,000 armed men seized an armory at Springfield, Mass because of perceived economic and civil rights injustices in 1787 at the hands of the Continental Congress. A state “milita” hastily assembled met Shay’s forces at the armory and after firing cannon grapeshot killing at least 4 “Shayites” the insurrection/rebellion was put down. This had a profound impact on those assembling at the Constitutinal Convention. The Federalists immediately took note of the perils of armed private citizens and even gathered some anti-federalist proponents to the cause of replacing the weak Articles of Confederation with a stronger central government ion a new Constitution. Arming individuals was the farthest thing from Madison’s mind even as an anti-federalist.
Third, The words “A well regulated militia…” are critical to our understanding. A milita is a citizen’s army, but this was not what Madison refers too. By carefully choosing his words, by a well regulated militia he is referring tom state militias with officers in nearly every case who had battlefield experience in the Revolutionary War. Discipline on armed citizens called to defend the state or nation was to be the order of the day. This further underscored the need for a new centralized government to have a standing army to defend the nation and each state against foreign threats and internal domestic insurrection. Make no mistake about it, even Madison, an anti-federalis Jeffersonian-Republican understood this.
Now, let’s look at the population disbursement where anti-federalists and federalists were located. In denser populations the federalists predominated, in rural less populated areas anti-federalists predominated. On the eve of ratification then nation was 95% rural with only about 28 locales having a population of over 2,500 inhabitants in a population of nearly 4 million. So a strong central government and the Hamiltonian vision of an industrious America in need of infrastructure and protection of commerce would not play well in rural and particularly Southern locations. In a rural environment strong populist sentiments prevail. By contrast today, over 80% of the nation is rural but represents only 19% of the population. So the argument for the Second Amendment takes on an entirely different meaning today but that is another issue.
Unanimous ratification of course desirable although enough states by 1990, unanimity would only be achieved by adding a bill of rights for those few states with large rural populations that were on the fence. It was not necessary or strongly advocated by the states that had already ratified the new Constitution. In fact, a separate ratification to amend the Constitution and add the Bill of Rights was held later. Only two states ratified the Constitution after the Bill of rights was added. In fact two states did not ratify the Bill of Rights until 1939, Georgia and Connecticut.
So stop misleading people and get your history correct and stop selectively dropping quotes all over the place to make an ideological case but not a substantively based case for the gun lobby.
Trump seems to be on the fence and I don’t think it will take much to tip him over to the gun control “Ban-Wagon”. Republicans already showed they’re willing to compromise away OUR Liberty. That is the crowbar in the door jamb for the progressives to start prying away our 2nd amendment rights. First ban bump stocks, then implement age restrictions for buying long guns, Waiting periods for all firearm purchases, Enhanced background checks ( whatever the hell that means) ban/confiscation of all AR-15 style and AK variant semi auto rifles, Magazine capacity limits, firearm registration,
Ban ALL semi auto rifles and shotguns. Threats of Hefty fines and federal prison time for not turning over Firearms related contraband. (I think the Nazi’s did that too)
>>>> Remove liability protections for Firearm manufacturers<<<<<,
Background checks for All ammo purchases, licenses and permits for reloading, owning pistols, rifles. Ect. ect ect………..
The Prog media and their feral parrots are already conditioning the public with extreme Hate and vitriol: “Kill the NRA” “The NRA is responsible for Sandy hook, Las Vegas, and Florida killing spree” “The NRA and Gun owners are responsible for mass shootings”
“The NRA don’t care about minorities” “The NRA is EVIL” “The NRA don’t care about dead Children”
Sad part is Iv’e most of those on the Prog stream media.
Their goal, plant seeds in the minds of fence sitters and foment hate among the libs. subcounsious reaction when thy hear the words “NRA”