Back in the 1980’s, 7.62×39 ammo was widely available in both the all-lead variety that we see today as well as the mass produced steel core variety. Since the rounds were only used in rifles, while the ammunition fit the definition of “armor piercing” as per the law, the ATF couldn’t touch it — only “armor piercing” handgun ammunition can be banned from sale. But then some damned fool designed the Draco 7.62×39 handgun, and the ATF jumped all over that like a fat kid on a bacon cheeseburger. Steel core 7.62×39 practically vanished overnight, and prices skyrocketed. Now, Black Horse Arsenal‘s new BHAKR54 might to do the same thing to 7.62x54R ammo . . .
This isn’t to say that Black Horse Arsenal is doing anything wrong — the real issue is that the law (as written) makes no sense and does nothing to save lives. But the introduction of a commercially available handgun in 7.62x54R might be the just excuse the ATF needs to stop all imports of steel core ammunition.
Keep in mind that cheap 7.62x54R ammo and Mosin Nagant rifles fuel a lot of new gun owners and you can see where this might become a problem. Ammunition from other sources is available already, but at a higher price point than the spam cans filled with ammo that are found buried across the Motherland and imported into the United States.
[UPDATE: Several commenters point out below that the graphic above is a Photoshop, not a photograph, and this pistol may very well be vaporware. The company’s track record on things like this appears to be not great.]
Lol at this being legal in its current form. Plus, an opinion letter from the AG is needed.
I want to know who’s going to shoot that damn thing! I’m a big guy and I can’t imagine shooting a 7.62X54R pistol.
This. I’m not a recoil puss, but shooting 54R out of a pistol?? No thanks, Jeff.
>not shooting Obrez pistols for fun
>complaining of recoil of glorious step-daughter of komrade Serge Mosin
>being sober enough to even feel recoil
Fucking capitalist plebs. You need more Vodka!
Better wear double hearing protection…
(putting on the tinfoil) The Obama administration encouraged this gun’s development precisely so they could ban the import of cheap steel core 7.62X54R.
I wouldn’t doubt it. Look at this line on their website:
“Manufacturer of the highest quality assault weapons and accessories”
What ****ing gun manufacturer calls their guns assault weapons?
They didn’t wait for ‘examples’ to be made to ban 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel. I’m sure 300 Blackout and 30 Remington AR are next.
Those situations described happen and are tragic, but can there be three stories that have been ignored where someone with no rage, sleeping or watching TV, has been invaded in their own home, and “because of a gun”, the one who would do plannned violence was stopped. If you were to choose, who should survive that type of encounter?
Intentional violent crime out numbers the crimes and tragedies of blind passion.
ya all i can say is FU SOBS !!! you made something nobody will use and we lose access to cheap ammo
Ugh. Why????
I’ve mentioned it plenty on here before- I own a couple shorties. I’ve got an Arsenal one in 5.56 that can still make AR guys blush at 100 yards. I’ve got a converted Saiga chopped down to a AK-104 clone that groups almost as nicely. I love em. 7.62-39 is a great round for close work, and keeps plenty of stopping power. 5.56 is still pleasant to shoot from a 9″ barrel, and while maybe not as hard hitting, is still plenty accurate.
I can’t imagine 7.62-54 being comfortable, accurate, or even fun out of a SBR. Out of a pistol, it’s a joke.
You want to make an AK pistol that nobody’s doing? Make me a damn Bizon.
I can save everyone an unnecessary debate. Hold on to your britches people: there is no such thing as a hunting rifle or a defensive rifle or an “assault rifle”. There is only firearms.
The US Constitution makes it clear as to why it preserves the right to keep and bear arms, but the Constitution is a purpose-written document that is supposed to limit government intrusion on citizens in a myriad of circumstances. And the drafters of the Constitution understood that arms will keep the wolf at bay when all else fails, hence the 2A.
For any patriotic US citizen to use the term “hunting rifle” or any such moniker is just (inadvertently) voicing a concession in semantics to the gun-grabbers. And that empowers their agenda.
There is only guns or firearms or just arms, if you wish. They are are tools of several trades. They are defensive and offensive, for hunting and for recreation. But in which way are they most useful? All of them. Whether the fast-paced IPSC or the challenging world of High Power or Palma; or a brisk and cool fall morning in a deer blind, firearms serve a purpose. Be it on the battlefield or in defense of your home and family, they serve a purpose.
Or be it defending your freedom, they serve a purpose. Because the drafters of the Constitution recognized unequivocally that protection of one’s freedom would guarantee the ability to do all those other things guns are useful for. And moreover they recognized the usefulness of a gun in defending ALL types of freedoms.
Let me add one more thing. The 2A has NEVER meant to imply that the Constitution only refers to keeping and bearing arms for militant reasons. The militia is there for militant action necessary for the security of a free state, but the right of the people to keep and bear arms is a broad and relatively unspecified statement. We can keep them and we can bear them. It doesn’t say when, how or why.
And until you realize that, you will always be debating a fallacy.
Welp, putting in an order for more surplus.
Thanks for nothing, BHA.
Bet the supply of cheap imported ammo drying up would hamper their sales of PSL/Dragunov stocks & rifles, too
Time to go on an ammo buying spree.
Again. Still.
So not only are rifle-caliber pistols retarded, but they also deny me access to cheap ammo? Awesome.
I loudly applaud ingenuity in the face of ridiculous limitation. Damn, but gun folk are awesome.
Smells like a front company for the ATF.
So, who from TTAG is going to call them for a comment on the firearm that nobody asked for?
I called. Nancy from the NSA didn’t answer, but I did get a message informing me their long distance calling has been disconnected.
If it does result in a ban that dries up the supply of 54R, I’m going on a one-man crusade to put them out of business. For however much good that will do.
That gilboa thing. the more I think about it the more I wants it. :p
The star mag is hilarious. Strangely compelling for some reason.
WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING? WHY? People like 54R because its cheap. Nobody wants this damn shorty. We want Bizons, we want Vityaz, we want standard size AKs in 54R. We do NOT want this, and its a pistol, 922R doesn’t apply! Fuck you BHA. you are worse than Olympic Arms.
Since I, like many people, own and shoot a Nagant 7.62x54R I would say that pistol would be a wrist wrecker at the least. Hell the Nagant is a shoulder thumper already!!
I handload for my 54R and it’s not cheap but 180gr SJSP makes a great hog round!!
They make the “Finest Assault Weapons”?? Guess we know what other companies Eric Holder and his wife are owners/part owners in besides and abortion clinic!!
My Wife and I have shot everything last Summer looking for our CCW “Soul Mate” pistols. I have a G26 and Beretta Px4 I love. She cannot handle the 9mm pistols enough to practice with them and gain the proficiency she wants and needs. Teeny, tiny 9mm’s and .45’s are not the answer for her. Teeny tiny .380’s are no better – they kick too hard and cannot be handled well for fast follow up, The G42 is perfect. She wants one and I’m buying one for her…it’ll be perfect and it’ll solve the main problem which is: People who have less experience and less body mass (she’s 5′ and 115 lbs) are never gonna buy/shoot 9mm’s the size of the G42. There are tens of thousands out there just like her. The G42 is a perfect answer to a question that us big folks who have been shooting for decades never asked. It’ll sell like hotcakes.
The theater where this occurred is already a “no guns” theater. He was carrying in a gun free zone, where he knew no one else normally would be. Makes him a criminal as I see it. (I don’t visit or spend money on anti-gun businesses, no matter how much the wife wants to go out to a certain theater or restaurant)
Kinda blows everything these anti-gun media folks are saying about this story right out of the water.
http://www.blackhorsearsenal.com/about.php
Describes themselves as a “Female Minority owned business”
Only government contractors mention that. A quick lookup shows they used an AUSTRALIAN dns registrar which is just weird, and of course, a private registration service, with email hosted on the same box as their website. Not to get all tinfoil hat, but this company smells.
There is of course a very simple solution. Disband the agency who’s existence is an affront to the Constitution its agents are sworn to uphold.
Only the police should be trusted with guns, they are highly trained!
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24507840/marion-officer-accused-of-stealing-money-drugs
So over 1k – the price of a Kimber, USP, or Five Seven, and you get – a mouse gun that fails to feed a few times in one range session and is almost as good as a basic snubbie except the snubbie won’t fail to feed when you need it? Why again?
The price for popcorn at the theatre is the real murder here folks.
Zzzinnnng!!!
Ok, what if instead of shooting he stabbed the man? With an ink pen? The pen is mightier than the sword after all. Pens are evil ban pens! The man reverted not to his prior police service training, but to what he has probably made his self defense mantra. “At 62 I’m too old to run, fight, or take a butt kicking I’ll just shoot ” add to that the years of “if you don’t do what I say I shall have to do the police thing” you have someone who wants to impose his will but has no other options but sending lead. Previous reports have him being irate with people at the theater before, he may have been headed down the dementia/grumpy old man road too…
Ah, Lorraine… Yes, guns make death easier. Suicides by guns are generally more successful than other options, excepting jumping off buildings. The truth is that death is easy, period. It is even more than easy, it is guaranteed. It is the singular most basic fact of human existence. We will all die.
I am not all that afraid of dying, though I’d rather it be a considerably more future event. I am very concerned, though, with living. I do not define living as the opposite of death but more about how I live daily, what I live for, and how I conduct myself. And I refuse to live in fear, quaking at the thought of someone on the corner looking at me funny, or not going out at night because bad things happen after dark. Life itself is worth protecting, absolutely, but even more important is living, and people cannot do that well when they are constantly afraid.
I do not own and carry firearms to prevent me from dying, but to ensure I am living as fully as I can. Confident. Self-reliant. And without fear. Maybe you should try it sometime. It can be quite the eye opener.
the people speak…
Looks like a militia is necessary for the security of a free state after all.
Damn that was beautiful ErrantVenture11. I spent a month touring Mexico in 1993 in a Cessna 182. I was with a Mexican national who was a medical doctor and asked him once why everyone was so poor in a country so rich in natural resources. He said 2 words to me……”Bad Government.” I never forgot that.
This whole thing is only good for the nra and for guns.
Deep down we’re not so different, us and the anti-gunners. We both want to protect ourselves and loved ones from criminals and crazies that want to or will harm us. The difference is one side takes active steps to be better prepared individually and the other takes active steps to take that away from everyone. They quite simply don’t want to do anything to better themselves or be prepared and truly believe the rest of the world has to change for them to fit their ideals. Their argument really works against themselves far more than they realize. They argue crazy people are everywhere and are on the verge of snapping, therefore guns should not be allowed to exist. There are two problems with this,
1.) Crazies don’t follow the law: they frame their argument with the assertion crazy people are everywhere and can snap at any time, even those in the protected class of LE. Their solution relies on those same people agreeing to follow the restrictions they create. How they miss that baffles me to no end.
2.) They never look at the other side of the coin: a defenseless man was shot, that’s really the problem here. Their answer is not to change being defenseless but make everyone equally defenseless. The problem with that thinking is not everyone is equal. A young male out to prove something to a gang or motivated by poverty or greed has a clear advantage over those older, weaker, slower, and/or smaller than themselves. Their argument again relies on everyone buying into their perfect utopian ideals of nonviolence. What happens when people don’t? The UK and Australia, where crime is so out of hand they just stop reporting crime and enforcing the law. Defensive gun uses rarely make the news and never make as large a splash as a crazy with a gun, but they greatly outnumber the tragic events. When arguing on other topics social utility is their best friend, but when it comes to guns that argument is dropped because guns have a clear and overwhelming social utility.
Nothing wrong with a big butt – “More Cushion for the Pushin”
Maryland has had 21 homicides in 21 days. Most were execution style over
popcornpharmaceutical distribution.Too much defensive power for Californicans, obviously.
This is the kind of crap we deal with in California seemingly every day. Politicians who have no idea of what they are talking about, and a state full of Sheeple that believe them. All you have to do is look at Utah who allows CCW’s in schools. What, no school shootings? I wonder why?
Is it just me, or did this come to mind for anyone else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
You can count on the cops to protect you for only so long because eventually the crooks quit laughing and get back to stealing.
the Kirkwood lockdown was reported last week
The NRA doesn’t have to respond to Harvey, he won’t ever make a movie that makes the NRA want to die. No response needed. The NRA should respond to its membership better, get more people shooting safely and very well, get more ranges build everywhere and increase knowledge of marksmanship and firearms. Much of which they do well, but like most institutions they pick up weight and wallow and waddle where once they were a lean shooting machine.
Eww, Rob. You went to the AVN show?
You know what this rifle needs? A Dildo.
Glock brought the 9mm sized G42 out in 380 for the same reason Apple brought out the iPhone 5C. Fanboys got to have one. Ok, now that I said that, they probably brought it out to market it in caliber restricted countries and to get fanboys in the USA to buy them. The G42 is too big for pocket fans and many will end up as safe queens or range guns. If you are going to use the less than effective 380 you might as well get a pocket pistol the actually fits in your pocket. As for me I will continue to conceal uncealable compact and full sized pistols.
Folks, let me tell you everything you need to know about Black Horse Arsenal and it’s owner, Jerry Hunt.
For all intents and purposes, this company is a scam (mostly a ponzi scheme) and Jerry Hunt is a con man. I don’t mean that figuratively, either. The guy is quite literally a con man, as well as a pathological liar. He’s well-known here in Oregon, and not in a good way either.
BHA’s “shop” is a shack in Halsey, Oregon. I know, because I’ve driven past it. It is run by him and his wife, and there is rarely anyone in the shack. There are no employees (despite his claim of having 20 people on the payroll). A great deal of the photos he posts on Facebook and elsewhere online are photoshops, and he’s been caught red-handed on several occasions trying to pass off photo-shopped images as real weapons. He once famously claimed he had delivered a case of his BHA54’s to the military. Then, someone found the photo he used online to photo-shop the supposed delivery of these rifles to the military. This is typical of Jerry…he knows that even if a few people discover he’s flat-out lying, most won’t.
Also, there is no “parent company” to BHA. Jerry used to run a shell-company called “Confederated Arms, Inc.”, based out of a residential address near the Oregon Coast. He claimed to be affiliated with the Confederated Tribes in Eastern, Oregon. When I called that tribe to confirm, they said they knew of Jerry and were actively trying to get him to stop saying he was affiliated with them (since he wasn’t). “Confederated Arms” was never a legit business. It was a business on paper only. And it is no longer a licensed corporation, even though Jerry still claims it exists and that it’s a real business.
Jerry’s latest scam is saying that a “large defense contractor” is “merging” with BHA. LOL! A typical claim from a pathological liar like Hunt. Jerry Hunt is effectively broke (his house is basically a mobile home), and no “large defense contractor” is interested in his shack in Halsey, Oregon. He created this lie to make it sound like he might actually be running some type of reputable business. Jerry Hunt knows that most people will never bother to actually look beyond the surface, and he uses peoples’ naivety to carry on with his scam. Honestly, it’s amazing he hasn’t been arrested yet. Hunt has stolen tens of thousands of dollars from unsuspecting people. But here too, he knows that most people won’t do anything about it after he rips them off. And thus, he is able to continue his scamming.
Oh, and to-date, he’s still driving around Oregon trying to sell crappy home-made firearms out of the back of his car to unsuspecting FFL’s. There have been numerous reports on this online from these FFL’s.
TTAG…if you want to write about a REAL story, forgot the mythical BHAKR54. Instead, dig into this company and Jerry Hunt. You’ll find a complex web of lies, deceptions, theft on a large scale, corporate shell companies, etc. And no folks…this isn’t “CIA-type” stuff. It’s just a single con-man who to-date hasn’t been caught and put in prison.
I feel safer with a mid/high caliber handgun such as .38/9mm/357/.40/.45 due to it being more maneuverable and leaving a decent sized hole in a target. I’d much rather be in a smaller, confined space such as a closet when a thief breaks into my house so I can shoot the target before he sees me. When your behind a bed or couch trained at the door that’s the first spot the robber will see and if he has a gun too you both may get a bullet off at the same time if he kicks the door open quickly making it risky even if you have more body leverage with the gun.
Who knows if the target is alone as well, what if he has a partner behind him or is looking into your window from outside if your blinds aren’t fully closed? You want to be as sneaky as possible.
Also, if you are hidden and have time to steady your aim while the target is going through your wife’s jewelry cabinet you won’t miss if you are at least moderately proficient with your chosen gun and how to maintain it (which you should be if you own one) there is no reason it would take more than a couple shots if your not taken by surprise, especially when human targets are much larger and closer than a bullseye on the range.
Really though, any weapon will work as long as it’s a decent caliber, a .22 is just not going to cut it on a consistent basis, a .380 auto will generally do the job but is right at the limit. There is no reason to not have at least a .38 or 9mm handgun, you can buy a mid-grade one used for like $300-$400 which is very reasonable. Hell, even a decent 1911 only costs $600 and they are easy to maintain and durable but preventing the idiot scratch is really annoying and I still can’t master it without using a credit card.
I’ve shot thousands of .22 rounds from a 10/22 rifle and almost never miss unless I’m really drunk but I don’t like my chances of dropping a target with a round meant for blasting rabbits.
Mr. Stevens is all too typical of Justices who think the Founders did not know what they were doing. They, again all too often, have demonstrated that they are poor historians or, quite simply, apply tortured renditions of the law when the legislative or other history is plainly evident to all but those who do not see in order to reach a desired result. The Court’s twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment are but one example.
At the founding there were the “doubting Thomases” among the delegates who insisted upon the adoption of the Bill of Rights despite the insistence of the rest that these things were not subject to challenge that the ten amendments were unnecessary. Indeed, the argument among the majority was whether these rights should be called unalienable or inalienable. We are forever indebted to those skeptics who were rightly concerned about the role of government and those in positions of power. They had, no doubt, seen the erosion of rights in England and the sovereign’s encroachment upon the principles of the Magna Carta, the first limitation upon the absolute power of monarchs.
Mr. Stevens illustrates how many in government consider the Constitution to be merely an inconvenient piece of old paper. Their oaths to uphold our foundation document mean little to them.
Francisco Martinez… welcome to responsible firearms ownership and enjoyment, sincerely. But let’s get one thing strait. Modern Democrats and especially Barack Obama supporters, are not moderate! I have a colleague at work who claims he is moderate and openly a big Lib on everything, while at the same time, throwing around “tin foil”, “way out there” and “extreme” comments when describing conservatives. You’ve taken a big step and I hope your persecution from other dems/libs is minimal. Again, welcome, and I look forward to seeing you at the range.
the reason we all know about the shoe dropping is it just happened with 5.45… so whats their excuse for releasing this and screwing up the ammo imports? Can’t be they didn’t know…
I reload my mosin ammo but this is a jerk move… releasing this product… imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5c9zbh4JGc&feature=youtu.be
Don’t EVER send Black Horse Arsenal (JERRY HUNT) a red cent he is a THIEF and will steal your money and send you no product. He has owed me an over $1,000 product for over two years now and it’s clear that he has no intention of ever being anything but a liar and a thief.
Patrick,
We’ve been talking for quite some time about how we planned to resolve this and you agreed to take a BHAK54 as reimbursement. Several months ago I informed you we had a BHAK54 available, which was at one of our distributors that we were having sent back and when it arrived we’d turn it right back around to you.
We did exactly as we said we would once it was in our hands and the following is a copy of the message you were sent on Face Book as a PM and as an email that went out to you as well, due to the fact that you can’t be reached by phone.
Patrick,
Your BHAK54 arrived Saturday the 21st at the Post Office in Pelham and an attempt was made to deliver it yesterday, but your FFL was closed. A 2nd attempt may be made to deliver it tomorrow and if not your FFL will need to go to the Post Office and pick it up, otherwise it will be sent back to us.
Can you please call Terry from Collectors Firearms & Militaria at 603 635-9699 and make arrangements to pick up the gun. It was shipped USPS Priority Mail using tracking number VJ274625021US, which you can see at https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction!input.action.
Thank you!
Jerry
You, like all the other people who have received refund checks, gotten reversals by their banks on their credit cards, or agreed on taking product to satisfy the original order, never seem to go back into the original post where they claim we stole their money and report that it’s been satisfied.
As a result huge amounts of misinformation have been published about Black Horse Arsenal the last couple years and my rule has been to never engage the trolls or their sock puppets in rebuttal to tell the true facts, as I have nothing to gain from a nasty flame war sparked and fanned by dialog.
In a recent conversation with a customer who’s very familiar with the abuse we’ve taken, it was suggested I look up what an “Urban Legend” is, as he believed it applied.
Wikipedia says:
An urban legend, urban myth, urban tale, or contemporary legend, is a form of modern folklore consisting of stories that may or may not have been believed by their tellers to be true, and often possess horror implications that are believable to their audience. Urban legends are sometimes repeated in news stories and, in recent years, distributed by e-mail or social media.
In our case its social media from user names like “Truth” and “Fact Checker”, who say thing like, “Jerry used to run a shell-company called “Confederated Arms, Inc.”, “Confederated Arms” was never a legit business. It was a business on paper only”. And “Jerry claims he started Black Horse Arsenal with money he received from a “buyout” of his ownership stake in a large national car rental company”.
There’s no evidence anywhere that supports these claims as it is total fabrication, but many gullible folks believe what they read on the Internet. We did have some unfortunate issues when our website first went live in September of 2012 and we got buried with orders we weren’t prepared for.
Up to this point my rule has been to never engage the trolls and sock puppets like “Truth” and “Fact Checker” in rebuttal to tell the true facts, as I have nothing to gain from a nasty flame war sparked and fanned by dialog, but maybe it’s time I did!
LOL! Oh please, Mr. Hunt. Spare us the heartbreak story of how poor, little ole’ you have been victimized by bullies on the Internet. Your problem isn’t that “…huge amounts of misinformation have been published about Black Horse Arsenal the last couple years…”. No, your problem is that huge amounts of FACTUAL information has been published about you and your “business”, Black Horse Arsenal. And some of it is still out there on the Internet, just waiting to be read by anyone who wants to learn the real scoop on your shenanigans.
I.e., anyone who goes to the “SVDs and RomAK IIIs” section of The AK Files forum can read the stickied, 35-page thread about you and your business misadventures, which unfortunately for you involve more than just “…some unfortunate issues when our website first went live.” For example:
1. There is an extensive record of the pictures you photoshopped to create false impressions about your business. My favorite has to be the one where you actually photoshopped people into your machine shop, making it look busier than it was. There is irrefutable proof that you did in fact do this. Of course, I also liked the photoshops where you attempted to falsely show Russian soldiers were using your rifles, and where you falsely implied you had delivered rifles to the U.S. Dept. of Defense. (That picture was again just posted on The AK Files six days ago) Again, none of this is made-up by your detractors, Mr. Hunt. The proof of all this is located on The AK Files.
2. When you posted as Gorby on The AK Files, you did in fact tell user “armored223” that you started BHA with a windfall received from selling a stake in a car dealership. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if you can’t remember all the whoppers you’ve told. Luckily, again, many of them are detailed on The AK Files.
3. You stiffed Atlantic Firearms (one of the most reputable online FFL’s in the country) for a large chunk of money. Atlantic had a very hard time getting ahold of you, and when they did, you sandbagged them by saying “the rifles will be sent soon” one too many times. To the best of my knowledge they never received all the rifles you owed them, and you never paid them back the money they advanced you. If that is incorrect, here is your opportunity to tell the world! But be advised…if you say you did pay them back in full and/or otherwise made them whole, I’m going to check with Atlantic myself. And you will again likely be caught in another of your many lies. BTW, all of THIS is also detailed on The AK Files.
4. To this day your LinkedIn profile says that in 2009, Black Horse Arsenal once had 40 employees “putting out 125 weapons per shift per day.” That’s interesting, because none of your corporate filings from that period (or after) link to any location that could possibly produce 125 firearms/day. Moreover, nobody seems to know what these firearms are that you allegedly produced, or who you sold them too. And you certainly haven’t been willing to talk. Tell us what type of firearm you produced in quantities of 125+ per day, and who you sold them to. Or is this yet another instance where you’ll say, “Sorry, that is secret squirrel stuff. I can’t tell you.”
5. You did in fact erase many, many comments on your Facebook page from people asking ‘Where is my money or product?” You also flatly told people that you would not issue refunds for undelivered prepaid products because, and this is a direct quote from you, “It is not in my best interest to do so at this time.” Yup, after extremely long delays where people were perfectly justified to request a refund, you actually declined to refund monies because it wasn’t in YOUR best interest. LOL! How arrogant can a person be?
6. You drove around the State of Oregon, visiting FFL’s and selling BHA rifles out of the trunk of your car at the same time you were telling online customers (who had already paid) that you didn’t have a rifle for them. On the AK Files, an FFL on the Oregon Coast confirmed the time and place you visited him, thus preempting another of your attempts to claim this never happened. And wouldn’t ya know it…THIS is also still detailed on the Internet.
I could go on and on and on with all the comical whoppers you’ve told over the years Jerry, and if you’d like to address each of those many lies in detail, just let me know. In fact, I agree 100% with you…”maybe it’s time you did!” I bet you thought this would all blow over, huh? You probably thought everyone forgot about all your past lies, didn’t you? Nope. I have a long, LONG list of whoppers you’ve told, and again, if you agree to address each and every one of those, I will be happy to post more here, disclosing more of your tricks and blatant dishonesty.
Oh, and as for you complaining that people haven’t reported you finally made them whole…what did you expect??? Many of those people actually had to contact law enforcement because they literally could not reach you, and/or you were unresponsive to requests for refunds. Now you want them to thank you or something for…giving them their own money back after you “borrowed” it for in some cases YEARS? LOL! I see your arrogance still defines you, Mr. Hunt.
Your turn, Jerry Hunt. Go ahead and start by answering all of the above points…what you call “urban legends” and “fabrications” that just so happen to be 100% true. Once you answer those, I’ll post about 20 more things you’ve said and/or done that seriously call into question your integrity, honesty and character.
This “troll” is highly anticipating your response, if you even give one. My bet is that you’ll either obfuscate and not respond to the above matters with anything resembling a direct and conclusive response, or you’ll just disappear again, knowing that not everyone is so easily conned by your forked tongue. Sorry Jerry, but this is the Internet age. It’s not gonna be so easy for you to erase old sins and lies.
Folks, please note that when “MythBuster” (a.k.a. Jerry Hunt, the owner of Black Horse Arsenal, or “BHA”) chimed in above and pretended as if all was well with BHA, and when he stated that “maybe it’s time he did” address his critics, he didn’t really mean any of it. Jerry Hunt is as disingenuous and credulous as they come. Or as one large, well-known Internet gun dealer plainly stated, “Jerry Hunt is a con artist plain and simple.”
Any honest, rational business owner who was actually innocent of the 6 charges I set forth above would have promptly come back here and posted a detailed, proof-filled rebuttal to those allegations. Nothing would be left to ponder. But Jerry Hunt and Black Horse Arsenal don’t seem too interested in responding. Imagine that.
You see, Jerry would like for you to believe that he isn’t responding simply because he’s “above the fray.” He wants you to think he’s better than the people he calls “trolls”, and he wants everyone to believe that he doesn’t have to respond to detailed allegations about his dishonesty, because in his warped world those accurate allegations have no basis in fact.
But in truth, Jerry Hunt won’t respond for two very simple reasons: Hunt is fully aware those allegations are true, and Hunt is fully aware that he’s a pathological liar. Jerry Hunt well knows that he has ripped-off and conned multiple individuals and companies. And he also knows this isn’t one of those cases where people merely have “a different perspective on what happened.” No, on numerous occasions Jerry Hunt has been caught red-handed trying to fluff his way out of trouble. Just like with his hilariously inept “poor me” post above.
I suspect he’s trying to salvage his unsalvageable reputation. After all, when you Google “Black Horse Arsenal”, 7 of the top 10 Google hits are – you guessed it – complaints about Black Horse Arsenal and Jerry Hunt. Folks, that is what’s commonly known as “a clue”.
So Jerry, I’m terribly sorry that your attempt to once again con people seems to have backfired on you. This is the trouble with people like you, Jerry: you’re not nearly as smart or clever as you’d like to think.
P.S. Out of curiosity I did contact Atlantic Firearms. They confirmed what I wrote in my post above. You sent them some guns, but many had rusty barrels or flat-out wouldn’t work. Atlantic wound up taking a huge loss because of your blatant dishonesty, shoddy workmanship and general lack of integrity. And yet you have the chutzpah to show up on a forum like this, whining about how you’ve been wronged? What the hell is wrong with you???
If you dont want it to be banned stop advertising that it is the possibility exists.
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Oh boy, here we go folks. Fasten your seat belts.
This is an ol’ Jerry Hunt trick…when he is called out, he starts to write mountains of text that obfuscate, go off on unrelated tangents that nobody cares about, and in general try to explain away why all his obvious lies and deception aren’t REALLY lies and deception.
And like a very well-practiced liar, his explanations are always a little TOO detailed, if you know what I mean (pathological liars often don’t tell short, small lies…they often include a great and almost suspicious amount of detail to their lies. They hope this “throws the scent” off their lies, knowing that most people will be more inclined to believe them if they include what would otherwise be a bizarre amount of detail).
But go on Jerry…I’ll go get my hip waders on, because I have a feeling an entire river of BS is about to run out of your mouth and flood this thread.
P.S. I see you’ve already played the “I’m such a good Christian” card. That’s a little early for you Jerry! You usually wait until your third or forth frothing before you bring Jesus into it. You must be nervous, huh?
My above post was a reply to Jerry Hunt. He posted something (where of course he promised to explain everything), talked about what a great Christian he is (because scoundrels like Hunt frequently invoke their supposed religiosity in order to seem credible), then he quickly erased all of it. So I wound up replying to a post that now no longer exist.
Typical Jerry. That’s another thing for which he’s well-known: going back and editing or erasing his own posts. In fact he got kicked off The AK Files forum for doing exactly that.
Jerry promised to address all my earlier points. But in typical Jerry fashion, his promises don’t mean much of anything.