In the video below, SIG SAUER Academy instructors Eric Palmer and Todd Moriarty show us how to reload a pump action shotgun with a slug, should you need to reach out and touch someone in the middle of a defensive gun use. Now I’m not saying it’s an inconceivable situation . . .
Especially for rural folk who may have to take a gunfight from inside to the great outdoors. But it’s not exactly what I’d call a likely scenario. I mean, if the bad guy isn’t within 00 Buck range, you’re probably better off withdrawing and calling the cavalry.
But what do I know? I’m not an operator who operates operationally. I don’t even carry a slug on the saddle attached to my Benelli M4. Maybe I should. But then which one would that be?
Let’s face it: to do this kind of stuff in a gunfight — like the shotgun reload or the one-handed semi-automatic handgun shoe rack — requires a fair amount of training. While the moves are as cool AF, I reckon my time’s better spent concentrating on moving and shooting.
Which is an operator skill! So I have one. Ish. What operator skills do you have?
I have a Kel-Tec KSG. I put 00 Buck in one tube, and Slugs in the second tube. Then its just a matter of flicking a switch to go from one to the other. No Operational Operating required.
And I’m sure you’ll keep that perfectly straight in a high stress situation and not shoot the wrong kind.
At least you’re not putting lethal and non-lethal shells in respective tubes with the expectation of keeping those straight in an a DGU.
Oh…I’m pretty confident that after 52 years of handling firearms (22 of that in the military), I can remember “right = 00 Buck” & “left = Slug” in a high stress environment. Even if I don’t (a big if), either one is going to do the job in a DGU home invasion scenario.
You operate, operator. Don’t let common sense get you down.
I can consistently hit targets at 500 meters and uhh… I’m not a lard ass, does that count for anything?
Not really. When was the last time a 500 meter shoot was ruled clean outside of the military?
Fitness is great. But we see example after example of disabled and elderly folks, some of whom have never fired a gun, winning their fights with the bad guys.
I think most POTG have a hollywood image in their head of what a gunfight will be like and it just ain’t so.
Longest shot I know of was 175yrd by the Secret Service. But that doesn’t mean a longer shot won’t happen, I try to stay proficient out to 1000 yards, it is fun to ring 6″ plates at long range. Because out of shape and older people win doesn’t mean fitness doesn’t count the better shape you are in the better you’ll handle the adrenaline dump and you’ll be able to stay in the fight longer.
Sgt. Shooting drills are fun. That’s part of the attraction of being a POTG. Guns are just fun. And I did agree that fitness is important.
But the secret service has different rules, as does the military, than we mere mortals. I’m not aware of any dgu out to 175 yards for us non sworn types.
My point is that if you can reliably hit a 6″ target at 1000 yards you will be reliable at shorter distance. I don’t know the range, but years ago a Texas Hunter saved the life of a State Patrol officer with his scoped .270 Winchester rifle. Shooting skills with pistol rifle and shotgun should not be ignored. You may need those skills if civilization starts to crack and law and order crumbles.
Colorado P.O.S.T. requires 120-hours of Ninja-Pho-Coolio. I can curve my bullet trajectories, jump out of the way of point blank bullet shots, and load magazine-clip-bullet-button-banana-thingies (30-rounds) in under .1 seconds. We also learn to shoot 30-rounds/sec. Bump stocks are overrated…
You said, “We also learn to shoot 30-rounds/sec.”
That’s nothing; according to New York Governor Cuomo, the AK-15 assault thingy is capable of firing “30 clips per round.” Governor Cuomo said it, so it must be true! By my calculations, 30 clips per round times 30 rounds per second = 900 clips per second, according to Governor Cuomo!
I thought that was DeLeon:
“This is a ghost gun,” de Leon begins, holding an unloaded rifle in his hands. “This right here has the ability with a .30-caliber clip to disperse with 30 bullets within half a second. Thirty magazine clip in half a second.”
I don’t have the “Miculek Mod5” upgrade in my operator toolbox, so I’m woefully shot of that figure.
I know to A) not hug cover (well, in theory I do), and B) Present your firearm before rolling out from behind cover (again, mostly in theory).
Also, I know that hair gel is crucial.
“hair gel is crucial” even for bald OFWGs.
I DON’T KNOW WHY, JUST DO IT !!!
Sounds like yall read too many SEAL books. Also remember you MUST keep the red ball balanced on the end of your nose while clap firing MP5s. Oh and ABC (Always Be Cool) have book rights and movie deal papers already drawn up before operating operationally.
Did really have a US NAVY SEAL teach / train me on (our Uncle made him, but he did so very professionally and graciously to try to make us ‘better’ at our jobs):
“Wall > Body > Weapon” in MOUT training. (Keep ~ 8″ off of walls and barriers and have your [held] weapon(s) outboard of that).
Training repeated during military combat training by . . .
government contractor: TEXAS OPFOR (various former SPECWAR dudes)
and later repeated by U.S. NAVY 31ST NCR.
[a/k/a: all the high-speed dudes that never heard of you, and who might also think that the ATF&E is a problem looking for a solution (that’ll obviously come from somewhere else)].
We got trained on heavy weapons and door kicking, apprehension and transport of prisoners, etc., etc., etc., from U.S. Joint Services we got ‘Task Force Troy’ [anti-I.E.D. training] we got tactical driving training and vehicle operations on a couple of up-armored wheeled platforms from HMMV to MTVR to MRAP, lethal and non-lethal combatives, and a light batch of DM training, nothing too fancy, all good stuff, good stuff.
I am an Operator in negative numbers (deep in the negative [not sure how deep, somewhere south of Rainman?] I probably owe, yeah, Wapner’s on) and I ain’t as good as I once was, but I’m as good as I ever was.
I just drove tanks, bradleys, and hmmwvs while wondering where in the hell all those kick ass dune buggies and dirtbikes went that my recruiter swore all cav scouts get…. Then I reclassed to mechanic, not that I had a choice in the matter. Interesting factoid I’m not really ATF… In fact I actually work for the KY Department of Veterans Affairs the least operator job ever created but I get to hang out with some certified badasses from way back like World War 2 back.
Another good tip is to carry a 10mm so it looks like you’re cool with recoil, even if you’ve never shot the thing.
The most important tip, however, is to make sure you apply temporary tattoos on your forearms before going to the range. Instant respect.
P.S. I’m a civilian, so I apologize if I crossed a line and am now joking about stolen valor in a bad way.
+1. Don’t use gel but, I do use a cream. Going bald OFWG;s need to have some dignity…Operator skills? I shoot straight and fast, center mass> WTF else do you need to do?
Look cool while you’re doing it, shooting with one hand, drinking Jameson with the other, while covered in high-quality trim from Las Vegas.
Happy to help you. 😉
I can make toast and use a rotary telephone…
You are a certified ninja!
Wait, what’s a rotary phone?
A rotary phone is an ancient weapon from an obscure eastern martial art. Made of a rare earth element known as ‘Bakelite” it has the weight and mass to give a 115 pound wife the ability to smack the living shit out of her 180 pound husband. His skull will break a long time before that Bakelite will.
I’m laughing my ass off.
I’m over at my moms house and saw an old rotary phone on a garage shelf.
Yup. Black Bakelite. The thing weighs about 12 pounds.
Then I’m thinking this could get big bucks on eBay in another 20 years.
Actually, Tom, there’s a brisk trade on those rotary bakelite phones now. Last one we bought was 60+ bucks and it does duty as our living room phone.
I still have a rotary phone sitting in my bedroom. If the power goes out, I know that will still work so I can call…
for a pizza?
Yup. I also keep a cool retro rotary phone plugged in for use during power outages
A O: That’s genius! If only my cell phone worked when the power was out. Oh wait, nm…
Stereo(twice the snark?), my late father lived in an area where cell phone service simply didn’t reach. An old school phone was his lifeline.
If something ever happens to the new and improved a lot of folks are going to sit and suck their thumbs til they die.
I’m pretty sure that I saw Charlize Theron bust up a Soviet agent by crowning him with a big, black rotary phone in “Atomic Blonde.”
Try that with your iPhone.
“Yup. I also keep a cool retro rotary phone plugged in for use during power outages”
Tom, a note of caution –
If you ever have a problem with the copper line, expect the phone company to have *very* little incentive to fix it.
My folks found this out the hard way. Even though the local telco switch is literally 150 yards away from their home, when they reported a problem, the phone company kept blowing them off to repair it. They ended up having to set up a cable broadband modem for telephone service, which the cable company profits quite handsomely for.
They sell dedicated cellphone interface devices for your rotary phones, but you’re gonna need a UPS to power it when you lose the juice.
The days of the good old telephone POTS (Plain ‘ole telephone service) is rapidly coming to an end. Ever since they moved away from the mechanical wire-spring relay crossbar switchgear to the digital switches, the writing was on the wall.
It kinda pisses me off. The most fun tech job I ever had was for a company that re-manufactured #5 crossbar switchgear. It was beautifully well-engineered stuff. The relays had a minimum rating of one billion make-break cycles. They used an ingenious self-cleaning mechanism. Every time the relay energized, the palladium contacts wiped themselves clean.
They damn sure don’t make ’em like they used to anymore…
I’m pretty skilled at shooting empty cans with a .22 rifle.
We should get together sometime. I’m pretty good at emptying cans.
I can make a loaf of bread from scratch so Nine up there can make toast…
And if the S really HTF, I can carve bows for our primitive tribe of survivors to fend off the radioactive zombie hordes after the ammo runs out.
I can make bread of from scratch as well. So you can sick to making the arrows and I’ll make the bread.
Yeah, but can you make toast without a toaster? Hmm, can you?
Yes, contrary to popular belief it is possible to toast bread without an electric toaster.
Ahh, you know much that is hidden …
Damn, haven’t used a rotary telephone in I don’t know how long!! 40 years at least! Wasn’t there something satisfying in the simplicity? Remember when the push button ” Princess” phones came out? Ahh, the good old days. Wait, gotta go clean my AR. Wait, that came out a long time ago. Man, getting old sucks.
Lol…Todd looks just a little tense….
None. I make the little man buzz and light up every time.
I only use slugs in my shotguns unless I am hunting Bobcats.
I have extras on my stock but I would probably use my skillz and draw my pistol instead of reloading.
I am am a level i^2=-1 operator. That I even have such mad skilz is above top secret. Not even I know about them. I pretend to be incompetent at pretty much everything as part of my “legend”.
So, imaginary then?
I can operate a 240 like nobody’s business
Yay for free belted ammo!!!
Yay! Love our Uncle!
LOVE the 240. Used them on the ground but, mostly from my M1 Abrams ( several versions) tank. Awesome weapon!! Talk about suppressive fires!!
Frying bacon in the nude
Brain Bleach! Brain Bleach! You heartless motherfu………..
Frying bacon in the nude?? Sacrilege!! Sorry bastard! Wish I had some bacon to cook…gotta go shopping.
1 ringy dingy….2 ringy dingy….
Is this the party to whom I am speaking?
Man, you’re dating yourself… I remember that from Laugh-in. Wait I not only outed myself but, dated myself! Shit, getting old!!
i dated myself before i got hitched.
Let’s just say I am OAF (not to be confused with oaf), incognito. You would never know it by looking at me or watching me on the range. When you are OAF, don’t need to show off those skilz, no one should know you have those skilz until it is too late.
So OAF that my M&P takes Glock magazines.
daaaaaassaaaammmnnn dude you SPECOPS. 😊
I am a REMF. No operator skills required.
Anyone who went outside the wire only did so bc they couldn’t hack inside the wire (or way worse, inside the CP).
GOD BLESS YOU FOR YOUR FORTITUDE!
Gunny said all our ‘operator’ (special forces, ride the short bus, wear a helmet, lick the window) stories should always /only start out with ‘one time, at band camp…’ love that guy.
So, one time @ band camp . . .
Haaa ha ha ha, Gunny’s do have a way of cutting to the heart of the matter.
I can decapitate you by flinging a DVD across the room.
Save it… yes, it is true that I have been working on updating my skills… who knew when I spent years perfecting it, that DVDs would suddenly be obsolete… Operator– not psychic.
Trying to perfect the same technique with more common edged discs… like a quarter. Decapitation has proved a bit challenging thus far. BUT… I can turn you into a eunuch. Providing that you attack me naked.
However… if a large man suddenly appears naked and attacks me, fair warning: I’ll probably just have to shoot him. So, maybe the quarter has a more limited, specialized role… I don’t know yet.
Because the Second is under attack, though… I feel that today I should share the bounty of my gifts… the man you need is Guy Savelli. Just put your fingers in the air like quotes, and tell him you want to learn how to “dance.”
And never mention George Clooney…not if you want to emerge alive. Good luck.
I can decapitate you by flinging a DVD across the room.
You must be Agent Random Task!
Oh yeah, George … ok, I won’t risk it.
I can throw a sh oe. And it really hurts.
I can throw a fit.
I’m still at pitching one, working on throwing though.
My first wife was a seventh degree black belt(Hissy) at throwing a fit.
I took notes.
beware the petulant frenzy.
I threw my back out once.
I’ve been known to operate heavy machinery after taking cold medicine on occasion.
You’re a rebel.
I like you.
I have a beard, a BDU shirt, side-zip Tactical boots, and a cap w/ a US flag on it; my watch tells military time.
My .9mm AK 15 has a laser/light mildot scope w/ killflash and a tripod. And an air horn. (Just in case.) It’s wrapped in urban ghillie camo. The shoulder thing goes up AND sideways.
Spare ammo (250 rds) in jungle-clipped betamags, and a Costco multitool, carried in a waterproof PVC fanny pack for quick access.
For practice I use some old paper targets with pictures of Bin Laden. (These things seem to last forever.)
I have watched quite a few training videos, and read some back-issues of SOF magazine at the barbershop.
=BCE56=; Damn man. Remind me never to cross your path… Can’t deal with it all! 🙂
Now I am shopping for a rail mounted air horn for my AR. Do they make MLOK air horn adapters?
Not sure about MLOK, waiting for The Next Big Improvement.
Meanwhile the air horn is attached w/ a couple of hose clamps. Sturdy and thrifty and can be adjusted w/ the multitool.
I’ve had 7 surgeries. But I guess that would make me an operatee, not or.
Either… or… unless you’re a Winnie the Pooh character.
I like to play doctor. Does that count?
Right there too. Recovering from a major one currently. Reading TTAG is only thing that has kept me from reaching max boredom especially the comments.
I am non operator status but can make toast, operational toast. That I can do. Lol
I can reload a SAA in under a minute.
I can reload the cartridges for an SAA in under a minute. If I can find my primers – where did I put the damn primers? (I can also solve a rubik’s cube in under a minute)
But can you do that under fire?
Rubik’s cube, yes. Reload the cartridges, don’t know. (no one shoots at me in the basement)
Sounds like you need to step up your training regimen.
I’m incredibly fast at posting comments on forums about how to operate.
Keyboard operators are a specific MOS at CENTCOM. Training for that occurs a day after one is dropped from selection.
The only thing that slows me down is that for some reason it takes TWO clicks on “Post Comment” to actually post the comment. The first one just reloads a blank page.
At least the reply button appears to be working again.
Never not double-tap !
I can calibrate a Priority 1 Emergency Power Unit test set for an F-16 at 4pm on a friday in under an hour;)
I believe all of this except the 4pm Friday part. By 4pm friday you will have been gone for 30 minutes – don’t try to deny it.
LOL!!! Oh i wont deny it. Having to come back after getting off early is the worst part! Damn standby….
I can use my cell phone to call for backup when my government radio is out of range!
I own a pair of Mechanix gloves and have a paracord bracelet. Pretty sure I’ve got a “Molon Labe” morale patch around here somewhere, too…
What operator skills do you have? I dunno, never manned the switchboard….one ringi dingi, two ringi dingi, three ringi dingi…..
I can throw a #2 Stanley Phillips Head Screwdriver like a knife and cause melons to fear me.
Than after I’ve perforated their bodies I eat them and absorb their soul.
And I still play Lawn Darts.
I got a lawn dart out of a tall tree with a 12 ga. and number 6 shot.
It whistled every time we threw it after that.
Careful now, lawn darts are dangerous.
Oh yeah? Hold my beer and watch this……
That would be Jarts. By the way, WTF were they thinking?
Do black cargo pants and a pair of oakleys count?
once, just to prove i could, i reloaded a half dozen 25acp cases using nothing but a nail, a hammer, a live 12ga #4 buck and a box of strike anywhere matches. trust me, it can be done and they shot better than expected.
None. I don’t work for the phone company.
I can mix a stiff drink, get myself drunk off plugged watermelon, smoke a rack of ribs, and deep fry damn near anything while nude outdoors in February with 2 ft of snow on the ground while my neighbors try and figure out who to call…. Mwahahaha we’re in Kentucky silly neighbors can’t nobody drive on snow.
Now that is OAF.
Just everything I learned at MCT.
I had the good fortune to train with some very dangerous men who weren’t interested in publicity. They trusted me enough to do gov. contracts with them. Alas now I am a broken down OFWG And I am lucky to remember how to get the Coffee maker to operate.
Does Tanking count? I’m a graduate of the Fort Knox School for Men if that counts for anything, and am fair at OPORDs, FRAGOs, and CONOPs.
Tanking “ALWAYS” counts!! We had the big guns!!
I don’t use slugs. I’m hunting wabbits.
I can roller skate…..backwards.
I would love to incorporate other activities but the rink owner would probably from on me blasting out the disco balls.
‘some motherfucker is always trying to skate uphill….’
This has been a fun thread to read tonight! I tried to make some funny replies and hope I succeeded. I needed this kidding back and forth. Thank you all for the funny comments I have seen here. My wife has been in the hospital (4 days on a ventilator in ICU) since Tuesday week before last and I haven’t had the time to get on here. Late as hell and I need to get to bed so I can make church in the morning. God Bless all of you my fellow POTG. Goodnight.
Hope it all works out ok for your family.
Prayers to all the God’s for her quick and complete recovery.
I can reload my revolver one-handed…I operate like its 1987.
X-ray vision, super sensitive hearing, and the ability to reliably detect bullshit with .001 MOA accuracy at 1,000+ meters in total darkness.
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I’m so operationally operational that I operate with a tacticool rail, laser sight, strobe, and RMR sight on my .357 Magnum revolver! Next I’m going to mount an Aimpoint CompM4 on my lever-action Henry, then I’ll be a super operator! Now if only I can figure out a way to mount a bipod and suppressor on the octagonal barrel of that lever-action Henry…
Love this talk about “skills”