What Did You Have on Your 2023 ATF Bingo Card?

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  1. Far easier to count the number of people who didn’t expect this on this forum. The general public will be chock full of accidental felons, one hundred and twenty dany from when the ATF pulls the trigger on this.

    • “The general public will be chock full of accidental felons, one hundred and twenty dany from when the ATF pulls the trigger on this.”

      It may not happen in 2023, but that could end up triggering the end of short barrel restrictions, considering how that ended up included in the NFA in the first place.

      120 million of them out there proves they are ‘in common use’ and expressly-protected by the 2A, in accordance with the ‘Heller’ decision… 🙂

      • Silver lining. They overstepped their authority. More people are now aware of how silly and unnecessary short barrel registration is. People won’t let this one slide.

        • Maybe…most people are more focused on $5 a gallon milk and $9 a carton of eggs. Inflation/Bidenfaltion/Shrinkflation is taking a bite out of everyone’s paychecks. And our 401ks (those of us who ‘bothered’ to plan ahead) are certainly hurting. So this may slip under the wire.

    • I’ve found people are generally ignorant of what’s legal or illegal anyway. Usually it’s as simple as the stuff they approve of is legal and the stuff they disapprove of is illegal. Confusion compounds when crossing from state to federal and vice versa. Cops themselves are some of the most ignorant I learned when I was a bicycle commuter. They constantly called me out for legal behavior and more than once demanded I behave illegally (ride on the sidewalk) because that’s what they thought was legal.

      This leads to all sorts of stupid conversations with armchair lawyers and knee-jerk revolutionaries. The two always agree, however, that the person proving each of them wrong is the real asshole.

    • US needs to reign in Presidential executive order powers. And powers from the federal government in general. They should have a limited role. Governing issues that the states themselves can’t govern. Which would be national defense, international issues etc. If they can’t do this simple task, a purge should be in order.

  2. A moment of silence, if I may ask.
    Sadly this evening all my gunms that had braces and bumpmn stocks attached believed they could swim.
    Never leave your safe unlocked, you can never trust your gunms not to do things on their own.

    • “A moment of silence, if I may ask“

      That is very kind of you, I’m sure these folks’ family and friends appreciate the respect:

      “At least 10 people have died in the mass shooting that happened late Saturday night in Monterey Park, California, according to Capt. Andrew Meyer of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

      “The Monterey Park Fire Department responded to the scene and treated the injured. And pronounced 10 of the victims deceased at the scene,” he said.

      At least 10 other victims are in the hospital following the incident, he added. “There are at least 10 additional victims that were transported to numerous local hospitals and are listed in various conditions from stable to critical.”

      • Cool story, bro!!!

        Now do ANY weekend in South side Chiraq, and all the TOTES legal handguns being carried by the fine yoots of Chiriaq, despite their numerious felony convictions, you ignorant @$$clown.

        Yes, it’s a tragedy when ANY innocent person is a victim of crime. Let’s lock up criminals. As for gangbangers killing each other? Sounds like a feature, not a bug.

        • No. Gunms just do things on their own. At anytime an unattended gunm may start just blasting away, they are not to be trusted. I’m with, with, oh , the guy that’s president right now, that Brandon Letsgo guy,, Well anyway he said gunms are bad and they are weapons of war that goes five times faster then other weapons and they vaporize blown out lungs , they are bad, bad bad, anf if we ban them all crime will stop. We should be grateful that Our president even let’s us have sine because nobody needs more then 8 round bullets or 30 round magazines to shutes deer and that’s what the second amendment is all about ,hunting. Hunting, especially Deer Hunting , our president said so hisself.
          I Love My/Our President

        • Interesting, given this is a forum for the free exchange of ideas and opinions.

          But really, do you think “A moment of silence” is only worthy of your sarcastic employment and not a valid expression of sympathy for the latest tragedy?

      • For once I agree with Bill O’Reilly. Bad guys shooting people is the price of freedom. Liberty is risky business. That’s why our Founding Fathers recognized our God-given right to shoot back. However, there are the Useful Idiot masses that would rather be controlled for an illusion of safety than live with risk to be free. Libturds thrive on creating, feeding on CHAOS until the Useful Idiot Masses plead for protection by the Elites. This is why mama grizzles are so ferocious in protecting their cubs….the world is a risky place, survival of the fittest. It’s not Gun Violence, it’s Defective Citizen Violence in a Libturd Chaos Petri Dish. Never has a gun acted on its own. Guns are tools for good or bad, pending the individual’s intent. The late Col Jeff Cooper commented in 1958, “Killing is a matter of will, not means. You cannot control the intent by passing laws about the means.” But, still, there are calls for just one more law against guns/gun owners above the existing 23,000+ anti-gun laws. Maybe, “Thou Shalt Not Murder”; Murder 1; Murder 2, Manslaughter, et el. Even God passed laws that are ignored. Just one more law. It all started there. Evil, Violence, Mayhem exist, always have, always will. On that day they come no-knock knocking on your door, one is either ready and able to defend themselves and their loved ones, or you are living as a victim-in-waiting. You are your own first responder.

      • Congratulations Miker49er….at last, you have provided 100% positive proof that “gun control laws” and “gun free zones” do NOT saves lives, but rather cost people their lives……
        but I’m sure that is lost on you still.

  3. A few days ago I had an outhouse lawyer wanting me to present a case against Gun Control while he quite obviously was content with a so called Gun Rights org. pleading on the grounds of “need” in IL. Then the bozo sounded like some yeah-george snot nosed kid giddy over some IL judge on his way to the rescue. Well now some judge came along and puts a “partial block” on IL Gun Control which amounts to putting a partial block on Gun Control’s sidekicks racism and genocide…Case Closed.

    • Deborah, LKB is in no way an ‘outhouse lawyer’, he’s highly respected in TTAG by those that actually know legal things…

    • Debbie, as often as you post, if you seriously think LKB is some “snot-nosed kid”, you very clearly never read what anyone else writes.

      Here’s hoping LKB is not who you’re referring to.

    • You know Little Debbie, I agree that the Democratic south of the 1800s was a stronghold of racist slavery.

      And it’s clear that the Massachusetts of the late 1600s and early 1700s was a stronghold of fundamentalist Christian terrorism.

      If you hold the Democrats of today responsible for the sins of the Democrats 200 years in the past, you must also hold the Christians of today responsible for the Christian terrorism of the Salem witch trials and the murder of dozens of innocent women and men.

        • You may be surprised to find that I concur with the biblical view of abortion, and follow the Mosaic law regarding when a fetus becomes a ‘person’.

          “An unborn fetus in Jewish law is not considered a person (Heb. nefesh, lit. “soul”) until it has been born. The fetus is regarded as a part of the mother’s body and not a separate being until it begins to egress from the womb during parturition (childbirth). In fact, until forty days after conception, the fertilized egg is considered as “mere fluid.”


          Zygotes or embryos are not ‘persons’.

          Tell me, do you believe that the untold multitudes of babies and small children drowned in Noah’s ‘Great Flood’ were innocents?

          And if you really think that a ‘person’ in the womb of an actual person can somehow force that second person to risk their life without permission, perhaps you may want to reread the 13th amendment regarding involuntary servitude.

        • 90%(+) of the users of TTAG “concur” with the observation that Miner is an oxygen thief and moron. This prog drivel adds nothing of value to this forum.

          GO AWAY

        • Miner,

          You’re quoting a lie with a little bit of truth sprinkled in, also known as propaganda. Yes, ancient Jews considered the fetus as “merely water” for the first 40 days. That was their scientific understanding at that time. Have we made any scientific advances since then? Your willful ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Okay, since you agree with the ancient Jewish understanding of when life begins, then that means abortion after 40 days, also known as less than six weeks, is MURDER! Yes, murder punishable by death.

          “It is stated in that book of Aggadot that the Sages said in the name of Rabbi Yishmael: A descendant of Noah is executed even for killing fetuses.”

          You agree with this, right Miner? That’s what you said.

          I’m not surprised at all that you try to pick and choose various Jewish or other religious things that you agree with while ignoring the things you don’t agree with. It’s hilarious how you try to hide behind your idea of a “biblical view.” You routinely disparage the bible every chance you get. That is until you try to use the bible as an excuse for your views.

          Is it the “biblical view” to regard pregnancy as involuntary servitude? That’s such a weak argument for abortion. I’m not at all surprised to hear you repeat Planned Parenthood propaganda. The only way it could be seen as involuntary servitude is in the case of rape. Sex is how you make babies. Every single woman on this planet consents to the possibility of getting pregnant every single time they have sex. A five year-old could comprehend this.

          Zygotes and embryos are stages of life. They are often used as euphemisms for a living being. They’re easier to kill when they aren’t viewed as a full human. Just ask any Holocaust survivor. A person is a person if they’re alive. It is a scientific fact that life begins when the sperm fertilizes the egg. Even some ardent pro-abortion activists, with a scientific background, will acknowledge this. They understand, unlike you and others, that it can’t just be an argument of whether or not it’s a life, because if that’s the case, then the pro-abortion side will lose.

          Of course you subscribe to some anti-science belief. You’re also a “follow the science” cultist which is code for unquestioningly following the government, and cheering on the canceling of anyone that doesn’t obediently follow along. Chant with me now: Follow the science, love is love, no human is illegal, black lives matter, believe all women, women’s rights are human rights, climate change will kill us all in ten years, I mean 5 years ago, no I mean in 20 years – oh just shut up and be poor while your rulers get rich. That’ll save the planet. Trust us.

        • “It is stated in that book of Aggadot that the Sages said in the name of Rabbi Yishmael: A descendant of Noah is executed even for killing fetuses.”
          You agree with this, right Miner? That’s what you said“

          Well no, because you don’t understand the Hebrew, you don’t even know that’s a fairytale:

          “Aggadah (Hebrew: אַגָּדָה‎ ʾAggāḏā or הַגָּדָה‎ Haggāḏā; Jewish Babylonian Aramaic: אַגָּדְתָא ʾAggāḏəṯāʾ; “tales, fairytale, lore”) is the non-legalistic exegesis which appears in the classical rabbinic literature of Judaism, particularly the Talmud and Midrash.“


          Besides, I’m not appealing to the archaic authorization of the appeal to authority, I’m just following the Jewish law because it is congruent with my observations:

          “The fetus is regarded as a part of the mother’s body and not a separate being until it begins to egress from the womb during parturition (childbirth)“

          And no ‘person’, zygote, embryo, fetus, has any right under the constitution to demand that the female involuntarily serve them for any period of time, much less nine months. It is the female’s decision entirely whether or not she serves this other person.

          Not your decision, not the government’s decision.

          Section 1.
          Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.“

        • Busy now. I’ll reply later. In the meantime, where is the following in Jewish law?

          “The fetus is regarded as a part of the mother’s body and not a separate being until it begins to egress from the womb during parturition (childbirth)“

        • “where is the following in Jewish law?“

          Please check out the link I posted:

          “Murder in Jewish law is based upon Exodus 21:12, where it is written: “He that smiteth a man so that he dieth shall surely be put to death.” The word “man” is interpreted by the sages to mean a man but not a fetus. Thus, the destruction of an unborn fetus is not considered murder.

          Another pertinent scriptural passage is Leviticus 24:17, where it states: “And he that smiteth any person mortally shall surely be put to death.” However, an unborn fetus is not considered a person or nefesh and, therefore, its destruction does not incur the death penalty.”

          And the rabbis also condone dismemberment abortions to save the life of the mother:

          “Turning to talmudic sources, the Mishnah asserts the following: “If a woman is having difficulty in giving birth [and her life is in danger], one cuts up the fetus within her womb and extracts it limb by limb, because her life takes precedence over that of the fetus. But if the greater part was already born, one may not touch it, for one may not set aside one person’s life for that of another.”

          Rabbi Yom Tov Lippman Heller, known as Tosafot Yom Tov, in his commentary on this passage in the Mishnah, explains that the fetus is not considered a nefesh until it has egressed into the air of the world and, therefore, one is permitted to destroy it to save the mother’s life. Similar reasoning is found in Rashi’s commentary on the talmudic discussion of this mishnaic passage, where Rashi states that as long as the child has not come out into the world, it is not called a living being, i.e., nefesh. Once the head of the child has come out, the child may not be harmed because it is considered as fully born, and one life may not be taken to save another.

          The Mishnah elsewhere states: “If a pregnant woman is taken out to be executed, one does not wait for her to give birth; but if her pains of parturition have already begun [lit. she has already sat on the birth stool], one waits for her until she gives birth.” One does not delay the execution of the mother in order to save the life of the fetus because the fetus is not yet a person (Heb. nefesh), and judgments in Judaism must be promptly implemented. The Talmud also explains that the embryo is part of the mother’s body and has no identity of its own, since it is dependent for its life upon the body of the woman. However, as soon as it starts to move from the womb, it is considered an autonomous being (nefesh) and thus unaffected by the mother’s state. This concept of the embryo being considered part of the mother and not a separate being recurs throughout the Talmud and rabbinic writings.

          Reprinted with permission from Biomedical Ethics and Jewish Law, published by KTAV.”


          Perhaps you might find the concept of ‘bitter waters’ interesting, in the Old Testament the Lord gives permission for abortions using their version of the ‘morning after pill’ in cases of adultery.

          And Jesus himself gave his holy support to the law:

          “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled
          Matthew 5:18

        • “However, an unborn fetus is not considered a person or nefesh and, therefore, its destruction does not incur the death penalty.”

          That isn’t in Leviticus 24:17. You’re either making that up or, most likely, copying someone’s commentary that you agree with.

          “It is the female’s decision entirely whether or not she serves this other person.”

          You are correct. If she doesn’t ever want to be inconvenienced with a child, then she can either choose to practice celibacy or she can have a surgery so that she won’t ever get pregnant. Once she becomes pregnant, then it’s no longer only about her. There’s another life to consider. You can believe all with all your heart that a baby in the womb isn’t alive, Miner. That doesn’t change the reality of the situation. Like I said, there are plenty of people on your side that will admit the scientific definition of a life. They find other arguments for abortion because they know they can’t win that one.

          “I’m just following the Jewish law because it is congruent with my observations”

          You aren’t following any religion or religious law. You’re looking for something that justifies your beliefs. If you want to believe what Jewish people believe, then look what you already wrote which you’re now conveniently ignoring: they believed the fetus was water until the 40th day of pregnancy. After that, they considered the fetus to be a living person.

          Congrats. You went back 400 years to find some scientific commentary that agrees with you on what life is. What happens while traveling the birth canal that imbues one with life?

  4. Bump stocks, FRTs, and now braces. Luckily the recent Supreme Court rulings have limited any sort of federal assault weapons ban or handgun registration. However, this doesn’t prevent individual states from trying. I live in a state that just went blue and I expect everything to get worse.

    • I fully expect ‘Bruen’ to eventually nuke gun registration, since that never existed at this nation’s founding…

    • Yeah, that story is blowing up *everywhere*, now.

      Since the ATF published it, can the retract it?

      If the only option is to destroy or turn it in, that’s outright taking without compensation… 🙁

  5. My ATFE bingo is FUATFE.

    I lost my brace in a boating accident where an alligator jumped out and swallowed the brace.


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