Michael Bloomberg pays Shannon Watts good money — and lots of it — to regularly, reliably spout the anti-gun party line. On command, no prompting required. So when yesterday’s news broke that the illegal immigrant who shot and killed Kate Steinle had been found not guilty of murder (or even manslaughter), Shannon dutifully jumped on Twitter to address her carefully curated followers (we’ve long since been blocked from her account) express her exasperation by implying that the outrage being expressed was due to irrational xenophobia or outright racism rather than the fact that her killer had used a gun.
Two problems here. First, Steinle’s killer — Jose Ines Garcia Zarate — was a five-times deported illegal alien. Someone who never should have been in the country at all, let alone wandering the streets of San Francisco, a “sanctuary city” that does all it can to avoid cooperation with Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. That fact was the source of most of the outrage in the aftermath of the shooting, during the run-up to the trial and now that Garcia Zarate has been acquitted.
Second, there’s another inconvenient fact that Our Friend Shannon managed to omit in her hoplophobic hot take on the verdict. Garcia Zarate didn’t just waltz into his local gun store (even if San Francisco had any) and buy a pistol. No, the gun used to kill Steinle had been entrusted to a federal employee, a ranger for the Bureau of Land Management. The SIG P239 had been stolen from his car a week before the shooting.
Just how the pistol came to be in Garcia Zarate’s possession is still in dispute. During the trial, his attorney claims he happened to find it in a paper bag. Pardon us if we’re skeptical.
However he got the gun, though, the fact remains that this was a federally-issued firearm. It was given to one of the few people who those in the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex like Ms. Watts claim are the only ones knowledgable and trustworthy enough to own and wield them.
Never mind the fact that the shooting occurred in one of the most anti-gun cities in the most 2A-hostile state in the country. A place where every possible roadblock (so far) has been put up to discourage civilians from purchasing, keeping and bearing arms. According to Shannon, the lesson here is that we must somehow “keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people.” Yet all the gun laws in the world — and California has enacted most of them — wouldn’t have prevented Steinle’s death.
Don’t think for a minute that Watts doesn’t know about Garcia Zarate’s immigration status and history or the fact he used a fed’s stolen gun to kill Steinle as she walked on the pier with her father that day in 2015. But it just wouldn’t do to let details like that harsh her anti-gun talking point. Narrative uber alles, after all.
I believe that in San Francisco, Federal LEOs can’t carry in courthouses or many local government buildings. So they have to leave their government issued weapons in their government issued cars, which serve as ‘steal me’ signs.
So, Shannon, are you campaigning against issuing guns to Federal LE, or are you campaigning against SanFran’s Gun Free Zones, or are you campaigning against California’s Illegal Alien Protection Zones?
(because I can support you on all three of those, with the exception of Customs and Border Patrol at our actual borders, and Rangers in parks with dangerous large animals)
Yes, well the gun was stolen from the ranger’s personal vehicle. And he wasn’t in a courthouse at the time.
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
“As part of their case, the defense attorneys have placed the actions of Ranger John Woychowski, whose gun was stolen from a car in San Francisco shortly before the shooting, at the center of their case.
“Woychowski was off duty and stopping off in San Francisco on a family trip to a temporary posting in Helena, Montana, on the night of June 27, 2015, when the gun was stolen.
“Woychowski said he left the gun, a .40-caliber Sig Sauer P239 that served as his secondary duty weapon, in a holster inside a backpack stashed under the front seat of his SUV parked on The Embarcadero near Pier 5 while the family went to dinner.”
So Dan Zimmerman the reality of the Zarate case is that no evidence exists that he stole the gun, and the prosecution acknowledges this in the very link you cite:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
Yet you manipulatively talk about Zarate as if he stole the gun:
“Garcia Zarate… used a fed’s stolen gun to kill Steinle as she walked on the pier”
And then you wrongly aver that there is a dispute as to whether Zarate stole the gun and talk about this fictitious dispute as if only his attorney makes the claim, and then on behalf of your TLAG acolytes you indicate that Zarate is lying (again in the dispute that youve fabricated) and continue to talk about this dispute youve concocted:
“Just how the pistol came to be in Garcia Zarate’s possession is still in dispute. During the trial, his attorney claims he happened to find it in a paper bag. Pardon us if we’re skeptical.
However he got the gun, though…”
Again everyone agrees that there is no evidence that Zarate stole the gun, the prosecution acknowledges this in the very link you posted:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
So heres yet another documented example of you wildly distorting events (which by the way is likely the reason Watts ignores you, shes written you off as a serial liar who refuses to acknowledge documented corrections
“So Dan Zimmerman the reality of the Zarate case is that no evidence exists that he stole the gun,” – That’s where I stopped reading your comment. You’re either a liar or don’t know what you’re talking about.
Zarate had no right to possess the gun. It was stolen from a federal agent. It was in Zarate’s possession. That is evidence he stole it. It’s not proof positive, but it is evidence.
San Francisco is the per capita auto boost capital of the USA. This crap happens all the time to EVERYONE. Citizens, Feds, LEOs, security guards, etc are all getting their guns stolen out of vehicles right now in San Francisco. The feds seem to have a penchant for leaving short barreled machineguns and shotguns in their cars along with their handguns. With their guns they also seem to lose federal IDs, badges, armor, and jackets that have “FBI” written on the back.
The fact remains that no evidence exists that Zarate stole the gun, and this is acknowledged in the very link Dan Zimmerman posted:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
The faux TX_lawyer highlighting his utter inability to think logically by foolishly insisting:
“Possession of stolen gun = evidence of having stolen the gun.”
And so I cite this as evidence that he also lacks the intellectual capacity to understand something when it is clearly explained, and this is the definition of the word “stupid”.
And no amount of such foolishness changes the fact that no evidence exists that Zarate stole the gun, as we learn in the very link Dan Zimmerman posted:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
TX_Lawyer You missed this quote from Dan Zimmermans own link:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
Again no evidence exists indicating Zarate stole the gun and everyone agrees on this point except xenophobic fantasists and liars.
And please stop embarrassing yourself by posing as an attorney, your manifestly illogical claim that being in possession of something tells us anything about how you acquired it makes clear you cant even spell “LSAT”
Guy who keeps changing his screen name, “[p]rosecutors are not presenting any evidence”does not equal “no evidence exists.” Possession of stolen gun = evidence of having stolen the gun. Anyone, whether they’re a “journalist” who works for ABC 7 News or someone on the internet, who doesn’t understand that is an idiot.
The reality of the Zarate case remains that no evidence exists that he stole the gun, and the prosecution acknowledges this in the very link you cite:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
the reality of the Zarate case is that no evidence exists that he stole the gun, and the prosecution acknowledges this in the very link you cite:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
We see the pretend lawyer though will/can not acknowledge/understand that the prosecution of course presents any and all evidence to secure a guilty verdict, and obviously if they had evidence that Zarate was lying about finding the gun they would have highlighted it:
“[p]rosecutors are not presenting any evidence”does not equal “no evidence exists.”
And we see that no matter how many times folks who cant/wont understand/acknowledge the basic indisputable facts of this case post nonsense, the fact remains that no evidence exists that Zarate stole the gun as is acknowledged in the very link Zimmy posted:
the reality of the Zarate case is that no evidence exists that he stole the gun, and the prosecution acknowledges this in the very link you cite:
“Prosecutors are not presenting any evidence in the case to indicate that Garcia Zarate stole the gun.”
http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/
TX_Lawyer this is getting a bit tedious, Ive presented the evidence-based reality, now Ill leave you to experiment with changing the documented facts of the case by posting more gibberish…
Let me know if you somehow alchemically spontaneously generate evidence that Zarate stole the gun : D
2. Dan Zimmerman the documented reality is that Zarate shot the pavement four or five yards away and a wildly unlucky richochet travelled over 25 yards killing Steinle:
“… found an indentation about 12 to 15 feet from where Garcia Zarate was believed to have been sitting and about 78 feet from where Steinle had fallen.”
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Kate-Steinle-murder-trial-San-Francisco-12318120.php
“… investigators found a chip in the concrete 12 to 15 feet from where Garcia Zarate was believed to be sitting and about 78 feet from where Steinle fell to the ground.”
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/30/bullet-trajectory-and-ricochet-shot-central-to-steinle-murder-trial/
But you dont mention this incredible richochet and instead talk about the shooting as if Zarate aimed at Steinle purposely killing her, murdering her:
“(Zarate) who shot and killed Kate Steinle…”
“…the gun used to kill Steinle…”
“the fact (Zarate) used a… gun to kill Steinle”
Again the documented reality remains that Zarate shot the pavement four or five yards away and a wildly unlucky richochet travelled over 25 yards killing Steinle:
“… found an indentation about 12 to 15 feet from where Garcia Zarate was believed to have been sitting and about 78 feet from where Steinle had fallen.”
http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Kate-Steinle-murder-trial-San-Francisco-12318120.php
“… investigators found a chip in the concrete 12 to 15 feet from where Garcia Zarate was believed to be sitting and about 78 feet from where Steinle fell to the ground.”
https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/10/30/bullet-trajectory-and-ricochet-shot-central-to-steinle-murder-trial/
And Dan Zimmerman yalls underlying problem is simply that no evidence exists for yalls prejudice that illegal immigrants are disproportionately criminal, the data is simply too incomplete to substantiate that presumption. And all the studies conducted based on this incomplete data document that immigrants (combined legal and illegal) in fact commit crimes at a significantly lower rate than non-immigrants:
https://www.nap.edu/read/21746/chapter/9
https://www.cato.org/blog/immigration-crime-what-research-says
http://www.nber.org/papers/w13229.pdf
So no matter how stubbornly Gump and yall Gumpites pretend that illegal immigrants commit more crime you will not magically conjure any evidence for this unsubstantiated claim, and in fact the incomplete data we do have contradicts yalls prejudice.
Customs and Border Protection and Border Patrol. RIP Rogelio Martinez. You will not be forgotten.
I’d bet federal LEOs can take their guns wherever they damn well please under some federal statute.
There are many places that you cannot carry a firearm into. Where do you store one? Normally there is no place other than in your car. I feel that this is a cause of many thief of firearms come from. These ‘gun free zones’ just cause more problems and do not stop evil from carrying firearms there.
What if I told you that Fast and Furious wasn’t a gun running operation, but an effort to deport illegal guns?
We’d say go back to the Matrix.
It wasn’t “an effort to deport illegal guns” but to deport legal / transferable /pre 1986 rolled full-auto weapons.
Man, I just… I just don’t care about this case. At all.
You should. It will make you want to build The Wall.
We already have one and it’s pretty crappy at stopping illegals. It’s about as effective as most gun control solutions. Plus, it’s my firm belief that any free man, regardless of national origin or prior bondage should have access to firearms.
That’s because it’s a piss poor one. If it extended the length of the border, was 40 feet tall, covered in razor wire, surrounded with land mines (both above and underneath the ground- yes they are a thing) , with towers and roving patrols, and most importantly, an army of drones- no one would get through that shit. “Uh wa wa wa thats like North Korea..” suck my ass. In 20 years when the Malthusian catastrophe envolpes Latin America you’re going to have one billion starving Latin Americans trying to surge across that border looking for food. When that day comes, if the republic is to survive, you’d better hope we have a president like Trump, who will do what needs to be done to crush the invasion.
Believe it or not, Hank, most illegals don’t cross our border in remote areas, at night. They cross at border crossings, in cars and buses, and in airplanes. They simply don’t leave when they are supposed to.
That’s one of the reasons the “wall” is so controversial; it simply won’t do much.
Yes, many do cross where a wall would stop them, but more enter other ways.
I’ve always heard that 40% were visa overstays and 60% were illegal entries.
@Big Bill and if there ever comes a day we want to shut the spigot off at the gates then the current under designed wall will just be useless.
Build teh F’n wall…I don’t give a sheet how much it costs. It sends the right message that I want to send…..”Fix your own damn home and don’t export your sheet to America”.
To me the wall should be a 100 yard wide densely packed jumping land mines with a single strand of barb wire on each side. Add in automatic body sensing machine guns and the deal is done.
BIG BILL— WHERE DO YOU LIVE??? THOUSANDS cross the border on foot every year… Sure many more “probably” come through at crossings, but if you think a wall wouldn’t do much good, you are grossly misinformed. From a humanitarian standpoint, 100’s also die in the desert attempting to cross on foot wach year, so the wall not only keeps them out, it saves their lives. If you have stats on your comment, please share.
It is NOT Willful Ignorance, it is a direct and purposeful lie. Anti’s can’t win on facts so they must lie to their gullible supporters
What bugs Watts more — the fact that the shooter is illegal, the fact that the victim was just a white woman, or the fact that the gun was non-GMO?
“Why are we more upset that she was shot by an immigrant than that she was shot and killed”
WHY THE F ARE THE EVIL POS COMMUNIST CALIFORNIA (D) ARE
P R E V E N T I N G
THE PREVENTION
OF KNOWN CRIMINALS FROM DOING CRIME.
PREVENTION OF GUN VIOLENCE IS (OTHERWISE) THE ONLY FING THING THAT POS SHANNON AND THE GUN GRABBERS ARE SUPPOSEDLY SELLING.
Not only deported five times but a seven times felon. This POS should have been locked up a long time ago.
Put down. Put down is what I think you mean.
This is yet another prime example of why women shouldn’t be allowed to vote.
People here at TTAG think that Watts is simply full of crap. I believe you’re wrong. This woman is a PR flack, and she knows her business. This comment is anything but random stupidity from Watts.
This is venal mendacity in pursuit of blaming felony murder on the presence of a gun, instead of attributing the actions to a human felon, who violated at least six gun laws in California that I can think of off the top of my head. I predict that if you went down a street in California and asked people what they thought of Watts’ lies, you’d find a majority of females agree with her, demand “more gun laws.” These females would blithely ignore not only the number of gun laws this Mexican dirtbag already broke, but also how many of those laws were not even brought up at trial that would have been slam-dunk felony charges for the prosecutor.
When more information comes out, I’m going to be very curious to learn the makeup of the jury and how they acted during the trial.
Ummmmm….. why women shouldnt be able to vote?
Im not seeing the correlation here.
Shannon Watts is a very dangerous person to the freedoms we enjoy. As is bloomberg, soros, and all the other leftists.
She didnt forget those details, they were intentionally left out to push their version of the story.
Do not underestimate her. Or the amount of money her backers are willing to spend.
This pos was found not guilty to spite Trump. Plain and simple. If this lowlife was found guilty it would have help prove his point about building the wall.
My thoughts and prayers are with her family. She did nothing to deserve this. Justice was not served, and i hope they can find peace.
Our grand/greatgrand dads GAVE women the vote so they would STFU and he could get some. Thing that worked out for him or since? How much has gone stupid in this country since?
Hey there, D G… I’m a woman, and a proud gun owner. I have no use for any of these gun grabbers, of any “sex.” I also don’t think ANYONE should be able to “vote” for anything that affects the lives or property of anyone but themselves.
The “vote” as it is now is merely an advance sale of slaves and stolen goods.
I don’t “vote,” and don’t aggress against anyone.
Ummm Shannon…FLAME (self) DELETED 😡😡😡😡😡
At one time Ms. Watts had intelligent DNA inside her… Too bad it dribbled down her a$$ crack.
Bloomberg isn’t that smart. Having $ is NOT an indicator of intell.
Never said it was Bloomberg…. She swallows his. At some point in her past she was with someone intelligent. Sadly it didn’t work out so now we have to listen to her.
Neither is your comment LOL
This is so stupid, there just isn’t an intelligent way to address it…
For the Iowa progs bashing Steve King recently – “Steve King Pledges to Block ‘Every Form’ of Amnesty for Illegal Aliens in Kate Steinle’s Honor”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/01/steve-king-pledges-to-block-every-form-of-amnesty-for-illegal-aliens-in-kate-steinles-honor/
Lets start off that this guy being a PD offcer would have had 100% carve out from virtually any law that Shannon or her ilk would pass. His negligence is palpable in this. It still does not excuse the shooter, “blame the gun not the criminal” is a trademark of their (non) thinking.
My opinion is the best way to ensure the double standards end is *NO LEO CARVE OUTS.* This should be the #1 thing we the people push for. They can implement 10 round mags, safe storage, limit semi autos but they have to eat their own turd sandwich. If it’s good for their defense its good for mine too. This includes access NFA items. It’s a double whammy because it also shows who’s truly on board with militarized police units and who’s not.
Yeah, same here too…+ 1.5 ,million thumbs up. Also include Full Independent Civilian review boards for ALL rank and file Law Enforcement officers…A complete ban on all Police Unions, Guides, Brotherhoods, associations, and Fraternities…A complete repeal to *NOT* allow the Law Enforcement community to receive any Federal Gov. weapons, surplus, or equipment…Immediately remove LEO “sovereign immunity”, and “LE Bill of Rights” where applicable…No “Carve-outs” in accordance with the 14th Amendment clause…Make it a “Capital Crime” for any government agency, politician, representative, private organizations, corporations, etc WHO willfully tries to deprive, or infringe against another US citizens constitutional rights…
I have read several commentators today say that the Sig P239 used is known for accidental discharges.
Any truth to that?
Searching, we found no recalls on the SIG P239. There is one comment from 2011. The owner reported he had the trigger modified on his P239. After that he had a couple of ADs. The owner was told to contact the person that did the trigger modification or contact SIG. Last was a comment that the own found the gun difficult to shoot in double action (it required a 10.75 pull)
There is a special places in the deepest HELL for this awful excuse for a human being.
There is no justice in sanctuary cities run by snow flakes where they hold illegals above the laws…
Had this been a Founding Father Court he would hanging from a rope…….
Its Pitch Fork and Torches time…..
This is our Land!
Does this dumb twit realize he Stole The Gun From a Government Employee?
I think she’s got serious mental issues.
…twit….your spelling is a little off.
Who stole the gun from the BLM employees car?
Shannon Watts has no decency or shame at all apparently.
No, none. She knows exactly what she is doing, and why.
It is a mistake to think this woman is stupid. She is venal, corrupt, a liar of the highest order, but she is not stupid. She knows her audience, (the “Mothers Demand Action”) and how to preach to them.
The left continues it’s goal of ignoring the difference between an immigrant that legally enters the country and one that does not.
This was no immigrant.
It was a five times deported invader.
Calling it an immigrant is a gross insult to all immigrants.
I finally agree with Shannon. We should keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. If we hadn’t allowed that irresponsible government employee to have a government issued gun, this would have never happened. Ban government employees from having government issued guns! If it saves just one life …
Watts is only restating what the three L’s Libertarians Liberals and the Left, have been saying for years now.
Murder by an illegal alien is no big deal. They have every right to come to America and murder here just like they do in their home country.
Let me know if endlessly repeating the lie that Zarate purposely killed aka murdered her somehow magically makes it true.
In the interim everyone agrees(except for xenophobic fantasists and liars)that there is no evidence that Zarate stole the gun, that there is no evidence that he murdered her, and that he inadvertently fired striking the pavement 4 or 5 yards away and a fluke richochet travelled 26 yards killing her(see above for documentation).
Naturally if one of your buddies had had an accident like this youd be jumping up and down screaming about how he couldnt possibly have purposely targetted her with such a circus shot like that… but you have no integrity, you are dishonest and immoral, and so you lie about this case to try to make it conform to your ethnocentrism and racism and Know-Nothingism : D
Willful ignorance? More like she’s dumber than a box of rocks.
You seem to have inverted the relationship, its 71% of dumb white guys like you who voted in Gump… always cracks me up when folks like you who have so little in their heads and the little they do have is a hodgepodge of banality and gibberish presume to call anyone dumb, nevermind someone as brilliant as Obama and Clinton, you just have no idea what fool you make of yourselves : D
Someone as brilliant as Obama or Clinton? Excuse me while I……Bwahahahahaha Hahahaha Bwahahahaha Hahaha Hahahaha Bwahahahaha Hahaha Hahahaha Bwahahahaha Hahaha….. Oh geez. … Bwahahahahaha Hahahaha Bwahahahaha…. Whooh! 😏
AFGus Obama earned for example based on his stellar grades and perspicacious essay a position as an editor of the Harvard Law Review which he became President of the next year and he graduated Magna… you by contrast couldnt have even figured out how to complete the application for Harvard Law and you have no conception of how impressive these achievements are so let me tell you that relative to you its like hes on the peak of Everest and you are in the Marianas trench, OK! Youre like a chimp ridiculing Einsteins intellect, OK!!
Here you go Gus thisll give you some idea of inferior your intellect is to Obamas…
No one gets into Harvard Law unless they have a VERY high score on the LSAT, and heres a sample question for you:
The supernova event of 1987 is interesting in that there is still no evidence of the neutron star that current theory says should have remained after a supernova of that size. This is in spite of the fact that many of the most sensitive instruments ever developed have searched for the tell-tale pulse of radiation that neutron stars emit. Thus, current theory is wrong in claiming that supernovas of a certain size always produce neutron stars.
Which one of the following, if true, most strengthens the argument?
A. Most supernova remnants that astronomers have detected have a neutron star nearby.
B. Sensitive astronomical instruments have detected neutron stars much farther away than the location of the 1987 supernova.
C. The supernova of 1987 was the first that scientists were able to observe in progress.
D. Several important features of the 1987 supernova are correctly predicted by the current theory.
E. Some neutron stars are known to have come into existence by a cause other than a supernova explosion.
This is how dumb you are, you dont have the vaguest idea how to evaluate or answer these questions, whereas Obama earned one of the highest scores possible on this test of logical reasoning : D
Political scientist: As a political system, democracy does not promote political freedom. There are historical examples of democracies that ultimately resulted in some of the most oppressive societies. Likewise, there have been enlightened despotisms and oligarchies that have provided a remarkable level of political freedom to their subjects.
The reasoning in the political scientist’s argument is flawed because it
A. confuses the conditions necessary for political freedom with the conditions sufficient to bring it about
B. fails to consider that a substantial increase in the level of political freedom might cause a society to become more democratic
C. appeals to historical examples that are irrelevant to the causal claim being made
D. overlooks the possibility that democracy promotes political freedom without being necessary or sufficient by itself to produce it
E. bases its historical case on a personal point of view
Shannon TWatts, what a CUnt.
Thanks to this traitor and the mods for highlighting that sexism and misogyny are core values of this sorry site as they are for President Hump:
“I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything… Grab ’em by the patriot. You can do anything.”