Speaking to NPR, Vice President Joe Biden says Senator Feinstein’s DOA AWB will rise again! “I believe that the vast majority of the American people agree with us. The vast majority of gun owners agree with us.” No so vast! the NPR interviewer interjects. “It’s 56 percent. A very slim majority.” Biden: “That is a pretty good majority.” Melissa Block: “But not the vast majority.” Biden blusters, casting doubt on the poll. Block goes in for the [proverbial] kill, pushing the Veep on his support for ammunition capacity limits. Block: ” Gun owners will say that all of these lines are arbitrary? Why 10 rounds? Why not seven?” . . .
Biden: Sure they are arbitrary. Why age 18 to vote? Because society has concluded that the capacity to keep yourself from doing damage and or allowing other to do damage – you don’t let 9 year old drive – well that is arbitrary. There’s some 9 year olds might be able to drive better then some 16 year olds. Limiting it to 10 rounds makes a difference in how many shots you can let off before someone can intervene.
Block: If you look at the numbers the vast majority of deaths in this country are not from assault weapons, they are from handguns. Are you really fixing the main problem?
Biden: No, you are not fixing the problem. That is like saying, does it make any sense to ban cigarette smoking while you still have global warming going on? C’mon. Does that fix the environmental problem? No. But it saves some people’s lives. Do you say the fact that we took lead out of gasoline? Does that solve the problem? No. It doesn’t. We still have too many emissions going into the air. But it helps. I find that a bizarre argument; if it doesn’t solve the whole problem but, guess what? The fact is that it does impact. The people I go to, to look to, when we talk about assault weapons and magazines; talk to the police officers. They are tired of being outgunned. They are tired of being outgunned.
I wasn’t aware that cops were outgunned. They say they’re outgunned, especially when they want new guns, but where’s the evidence? The LA shootout? Two words there: head shot. And anyway, the po-po are AR’ed and MRAP’ed up the yin yang these days.
But you gotta give Double Barrel Joe some credit. The man knows his political limitations.
Block: What’s the problem with having a gun registry? A national, mandatory gun registry? We license our cars, why shouldn’t we have to license and register our guns?
Biden: Because there is a – this is where you start to cross a cultural line. The idea that you register your guns – it may make logical sense to say this, but there isn’t a constitutional right to own an automobile. There is a Second Amendment constitutional right to own a weapon: The right to have and bear arms. When you go to registration, it raises all the black helicopter crowd notion that what this is all about is identifying who has a gun so that one day the government can get up and go to the house and arrest everyone who has a gun, and they’ll cite Nazi Germany and all that.
You don’t need to register guns to have logical gun safety laws. This is not – there is a healthy gun culture in this country with regard to hunters. They husband their guns and their weapons; they lock them up, they use them responsibly, they pass them down to their children, like my dad. This is about keeping guns out of the hands of people who, constitutionally, the government is able to prohibit from owning those guns.
“Gun safety.” I don’t think that means what all the President’s men want it to mean. As for constitutional prohibitions against gun ownership, I wasn’t aware that the document made any such specifications. Just sayin’ . . .
The only specification I know of is “… shall not be infringed.”
Funny, I’m a gun guy because I have a “fascination” with liberty and self-preservation. Death has nothing to do with it.
Is my acceptance and preparation of a possible outcome where I may have to take a life equivalent to a fascination or “mastery” over death? No, it simply means I’m a natural animal. Every animal is pre-programmed with violent survival instincts, including humans. As much as leftists and gun-grabbers may wish to ignore it in favor of their self-induced fantasy worlds, it’s true.
But, then, leftists and gun-grabbers are never big on truth, are they?
Whatever that man is drinking, smoking or swallerin’ I want some too. Every now and again I’d love to be completely detached from reality.
You think they were trying to leagalize, “for the people?” 😉
Koff, Koff, Bullcrap!. 157 ‘military-style assault weapons > 2,200 existing firearms. I see what they did there.
Wait…an NPR interviewer was grilling Double Barrel on arbitrary mag caps and the effectivness of rifle bans? Were they hoping Joe would respond differently and he wiffed, or did I wake up in bizzaro world this morning?
In all probability it was a setup, so then they can accuse the administration of not fighting HARD enough. If we can’t move the popular opinion by going after pro-gun folk, we’ll just demonstrate how the antis are not anti enough…………..using their own words against them………….
Gun salesman of the year: Obama
Gun rights advocate of the year: Biden
Seriously, the more this guy oozes his stupidity, the more he reveals his side’s true nature.
And I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: the majority doesn’t dictate policy. This is a constitutional republic, not a straight democracy. 99 percent of the drooling masses could be pro-slavery, it’s still unconstitutional and illegal to enforce.
Awesome reference there, Joe Bob. Yep, we took the lead out of gasoline because it had the potential to cause heart problems in a small portion of the population and replaced it with MTBE (methyl tertiary butyl ether) which has the potential to cause cancer in everyone.
This is the first time I’ve heard him reference the Second Amendment without following it up with a sentence that begins with, “but…” or “however…”.
Fourth amendment says “UNREASONABLE searches and seizure…” and “…PROBABLE cause.”
Eighth amendment says “EXCESSIVE bail shall not be required…”
These are subjective.
Second amendment says “…SHALL NOT be infringed.” There are no qualifiers there. It does not say “commonsense.” It does not say “reasonable.” It does not say “high capacity.”
Whether you like it (NRA) or don’t (progressive), how can there be any argument what it says? Nowhere in there is Biden qualified in saying the government is constitutionally allowed to prohibit certain people from owning guns.
“Second amendment says “…SHALL NOT be infringed.” There are no qualifiers there.”
An inconvenient truth.
“Why age 18 to vote? Because society has concluded that the capacity to keep yourself from doing damage and or allowing other to do damage…”
So 18 and up means you’re responsible? So Joe’s saying anyone over the age of 18 can own handguns, suppressors, SBRs, full autos, can purchase and consume alcohol, can gamble and can pretty much do w/e they damn well please provided they aren’t hurting anyone, damaging anyone’s property, or otherwise infringing on anyone’s rights? Joe, you’re a man after my own heart.
Paint a little mustache on him and you have a perfect likeness of you know who, both physically and in spirit.
“She believes that she is protecting the rights of most gun owners.”
Sure, and I bet Bull Connor thought he was protecting the rights of most blacks.
I just want to point out that as a citizen of Cuomostan I am prohibited from handing down my weapons to my children, as Biden’s dad did.
Does that seem right to you?
My weapons are mine, I’ll hand them down to whom I please, yes I live in a free state but that being said if I lived in NY my statement would still be the same.
So they cut them a check? sounds great. Wait until these ladies get the 1099 in the mail. Think it wont happen? bet it does.
Amazed?…………..Civilians change story, slap on the cuffs……………..Cops change story…………Can you hear the crickets?…………..
I’ll Give Up My Guns
When The Police Give Up Theirs
Maybe that’s what they government wants. Think about it. The cop from the article yesterday with his EOTech backwards, the lady cop with her AR15 mag in backwards…
I mean if the cops, who are trained professionals, are made to look like they have no business with these rifles then they can say that us commoners don’t either.
Maybe they should dispatch the Boy Scouts ahead of the LAPD, or instead of.
It was a completely different tone on PBS the other day. From someone who knows what she’s talking about. The interviewer was the consummate professional journalist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TyXcY7NJHFg
Blammo, thanks for posting that clip. Just to watch a calm discussion of the subject was very pleasant, almost dreamlike.
DiFi supported the San Francisco attempt to ban handguns. She has called for banning all semi-autos. Even if government ever passes new illegal laws calls banning semi-auto handguns it is only a matter of time before they go for revolvers. BTW, she was trained (somewhat) in how to use the revolver given to her by the police. She was never trained comprehensively in firearms.
But, of course, this won’t be labelled as a failure of the gun control culture in the media at large or by the Brady Bunch. The police are the only ones professional enough to have and carry guns–except on the many occasions when they aren’t.
Please understand, I’m not against law enforcement, and I recognize that most officers serve honorably. What I’m saying here is that a story like this shows the poor thinking that holds only agents of the government up as people who are acceptable with guns.
Boy, she really is a dumb bitch, she knows freedom of religion is a amendment as well??? I was brought up K-8th and 9th-12th at an Catholic middle and high school. These left wing morans will stoop to all ends of the earth to try and make their point!!! Next Dianne F, going to say she talked to god himself, and he said to hell with the guns, comon really. I am getting PISSED OFF NOW!! Wheres the proffesionalism here??? Isn’t D F jewish?? And shs bringing into the game CATHOLICS. WHY?? These gun grabber nuts are the people that arent NORMAL!! If this topic was on any other suject, you would never see so much unpofessional responses! Heres a msg to all the left wing gun grabbers, DONT TREAD ON US! Your carears will be ending after the next election! Dont worry though, the president spent billions so you can get a job at 7-11! You guys have awoken a giant, maybe you have not heard of it before, I know the president hasnt. DEMOCRACY!!! Cant wait to vote this go around, all pro gun!!! ALL THE WAY TO THE HILL!!
We banned the Toyota Camry/Corola, Ford Focus/Fusion ,Honda Civic, Ford Escape Nissan Maxima/Altima and the F150 but exempted the Gremlin, Pacer, Edsel,Vega,Corvair,Pinto and Aztec so your freedom of choice has hardly been compromised
Haven’t the gun control freaks admitted that without registration, background checks are effectively useless?
“The people I go to, to look to, when we talk about assault weapons and magazines; talk to the police officers. They are tired of being outgunned. They are tired of being outgunned.”
I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THIS ARGUMENT. I AM A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. I AM *NOT* OUTGUNNED. I HAVE AT MY DISPOSAL EVERY DAY:
– A .40 PISTOL
– A FULLY AUTOMATIC M4 CARBINE
– AN 870 SHOTGUN
– A HK UMP .40 SUBMACHINE GUN
– SOFT BODY ARMOR
– HARD PLATE BODY ARMOR
THE CITIZENRY *MUST* BE PERMITTED TO ARM THEMSELVES WITH WEAPONS THAT ARE AN@LOGOUS AND COMPARABLE TO THEIR INFANTRY COUNTERPARTS IN THE ARMY. *THAT* IS THE WHOLE POINT! ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WHO IS UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THAT IS AN ELITEST, POWER-HUNGRY, STATIST PRlCK WHO SHOULD NOT BE WEARING THE UNIFORM. PERIOD. ANY LEO WHO SEES HIM/HERSELF AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN A GUARDIAN OF CIVIL RIGHTS MAKES ME SICK. FOAD.
JOE… JUST BECAUSE BIG-CITY LIBERAL DEMOCRAT APPOINTED POLICE CHIEFS HAPPILY TELL YOU WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR IN BETWEEN BL0WJOBS DOESN’T MEAN THAT COPS SUPPORT YOUR BS.
(caps added because I am, indeed, yelling)
+1 million, please post on NPR.com and call their phone line (minus profanity) maybe they’ll read it.
Each piece of equipment on a police officers belt of tools is there for a reason. To give the officer more choices of action against a threat. That being said, NO COP IS GOING TO PULL A TASER ON A MAN OR WOMEN WHO HAS A KNIFE OR GUN, thats a deadly reponse senario. Just as a flashlight is an illumination device not a batton(club).
In a LA Times piece written the Saturday following this incident, it was revealed that “at least seven officers” were involved in lighting up these two women in the above-pictured pickup truck.
The LAPD has been obfuscating the truth on this since the very beginning.
It’s all slyly inserted Propaganda
Here is just one point I want to make and maybe it is just me. But having a CCW on me (I am not a 100% everywhere guy but do carry it when I think I will have a need) that maybe I do not get to fire very often (face it, some of us leave it in the holster for a LONG time or in the center console for even longer times) means that it has to take some “lack of use abuse”. However I do count on it to fire 100% of the time when needed. Although I like the price of the Kel-Tec and have looked at them several times (not a buyer yet); I still can’t see why everyone raves about the cost and still willing to live with faults or any chance of being unreliable? Basically when I buy my weapons for defense (playing and otherwise is different) I figure my life or the life of my family is worth the extra cash if it is buying you as close to perfect as it can (nothing is perfect I guess). Last thing I would want to see anyone go through who has to defend themselves is pulling a weapon and having it not work and the “bad” guy then either shoots YOU or beats the hell out of You (I do not subscribe to the theory that just having a weapon is a deterrent and you shouldn’t use it for real). Simply what I need to ask is why would you buy any weapon that you plan to have to use to save your life and settle for less than perfect just because of $$$?
Kel-tec MAY make a great weapon (I can’t say otherwise) so the point I am making is that for those of you that look at the price and are willing to take a chance or have to tinker to make it work exactly as it should is it really what you want to do? I would love to spend sub-$300 on a carry weapon (WOULD LOVE THAT) if you had any doubts on it’s reliability and still carry it? I know budgets are one thing and holy crap stuff is expensive but for me when I reach in and grab any of my weapons whether it is a pistol or my revolver I have 100% confidence that whatever the barrel is pointing at is going to get hit and I never had to do my own bathroom gunsmith work…but I pay a pretty penny. All I am saying is you can carry XYZ or ABC gun but I wouldn’t put price ahead reliability when it comes to killing another human being.
IF Kel-Tec makes a substandard weapon (based on what I read I would say that they give you what you pay for) then help them make a better one! They make them the way they do with the process they do because they are filling a demand. If the demand went down or away for that type or class of weapon, believe me they would retool and refit and improve to remain competitive or they go away. However, as long as the demand is there why change? If you carry one and shoot it and you have zero problems and feel confident in it working when needed then by all means, that is your choice. But if you have any doubts that it will function each and every time then skip a couple Starbucks a week or whatever is your vice and bump up your budget spend more if you need too. It is your life but I can guarantee that a bad guy can cover the 25 – 30 foot distance quicker than your mind can figure out why your $300 pistol did not go bang and in time for you to clear the fault before he is on you.
So the tip line is only for when you know for sure there has been a gun law violation? Or rather for when you just suspect there was a violation?
A “tip” is just that, you suspect something is wrong and you notify the police about it. Let them investigate. Let them remove the fellow officer’s magazine and count bullets. Then they can simultaneously put the cuffs on each other!
Eighteen is not a random number, it’s a distillation of human experience of when a developing human reaches a certain stage of maturity, or at least did so in the pre-nanny state era. Sure, it’s not precise to a year, but it’s clearly in the ballpark.
Ten rounds in a magazine is, however, very arbitrary, and as it seems likely that sooner or later we may have to face the prospect of some limits being imposed, at least in a few more States if not nationally, it is important to develop cogent arguments for what a less random number would be. It seems obvious that with many handguns taking 17 rounds, and with that number also being perfectly sensible in perfectly common self-defense situation (say, three home invaders), any number that is substantially less impairs the right to self-defense with a handgun. And this activity is one of the few things that is now explicitly protected by a SCOTUS decision. 10 is just not acceptable – it’s not only “random”, it’s also objectively too low.
tdiinva,
The right to property includes the right to it’s use for licit purposes. Why wouldn’t you have the right to use your property on roads you paid for?
By your rationale, you have a right to carry a gun, but not in “public.”
Edit: for some reason this didn’t post as a reply. Sorry for any confusion.
Yawn.
Other than the fact that “Ivan” is going to have a heart attack one of these days trying to move like a tactical ninja, it made me chuckle.
Plus, I really appreciate him obliterating winter like that for us!
I’m still waiting for FPS Israel where they blow stuff up to disco music and dancing in mankinis.
Emperor Herbert’s annulment of the will of the people, and abrogation of the duly elected legislature’s decisions certainly sounds Obamaesque.
At some point in time, my guess is Google Glass (or its inevitable competitors) will fill this role fairly ubiquitously. And not just for cops.
Methinks someone needs to take high school civics class again
A brilliant article — but maybe just a bit premature. Yes, the Democrats and the other forces of darkness didn’t get everything done that they wanted to, even after America’s Dunblane. Yes, the man behind the curtain in the WH came out for all to see. Yes, the weak-kneed politicians are getting the message.
But George Soros is still here. The Joyce Foundation is still here. And MAIG, backed by Bloomberg’s almost unlimited funds, it’s still here, too, and just bought Colorado.
The enemy is alive and well and in total control of the Executive branch of the Federal government, with all it’s power. That just can’t be good.
Meanwhile, events, not intentions, will dictate the future of gun rights in America. Which will occur sooner — another Newtown to energize the anti-gun extremists, or another Ruby Ridge to remind people of one of the reasons that we hold tightly to our guns?
Pete S, perhaps your kids are reckless and impulsive but don’t lump my four responsible and well adjusted kids in with yours. You say you are a “healthcare professional.” I guess you figure your piece of paper gives you the final say in what works for others or makes your “opinion” on parenting more valid than the next persons? In fact your comments are a part of the problem with society today. We have come to the point where far too many think that some so called “professional” is the only one capable of having a functional and valid opinion.
I have discovered over the years that when someone has to throw out something like that it immediately tells me to be very wary of that individual’s advice, especially when applied on such a subjective topic like this one. Rather than convince us all of the soundness of your advice through logic and reason you resort to “trust me, I’m a professional” implying that your piece of paper makes it so. I’m sorry but that doesn’t hold water.
My parents are both in psychiatry (psychiatrist and psychiatric nurse) and to be honest with you, what I have seen of the industry over the past three decades has caused me to discount psychiatry and those types of “healthcare professionals” advice. When I compare friends and family I have observed over the years that have followed traditional American values, raised their children in a loving and responsible household and instilled a functioning moral compass to those who have raised their kids according to the “healthcare professionals” advice…well there really isn’t any comparison. Those who followed “Doctor Phil the healthcare professional” have kids who are reckless and impulsive and those who have followed the traditional American approach have the types of kids that you could confidently leave guns around.
Nice try though.
Turns out Gabby Giffords was only MOSTLY mortally wounded.