Rolling Stone is as anti-gun as they come. But how a Jewish writer could pen this polemic is beyond me (a Jewish writer) . . .
I’ve made it clear in the past that I want extreme measures in response to gun violence – such as repealing the Second Amendment to the Constitution – and I strongly urge people who agree with me to that extent, or even to a lesser extent, to do more to voice these opinions.
To me, we as a country must act on this issue immediately. Sensible gun control, even while keeping the Second Amendment, should be easy, but there are too many politicians who refuse to act. To all of them, and to their supporters, we must ask this simple question – “what will it take?”
I’m glad you asked that question, Professor Cohen. It will take a fascist dictatorship to institute the kind of “sensible gun control” you favor.
That’s because there are millions of Americans who understand that the right to keep and bear arms is all that stands between them and the government-controlled “paradise” you envision: a world where the state has a monopoly on the use of force. Millions of Americans who will not surrender their guns, come what may.
How could a law professor be that ignorant? Backing-up one paragraph, I think I can ID the root cause of the Professor’s horrific blind spot: angry contempt for people who don’t share his utopian vision of a gun-free America:
But if the answer to “what will it take?” is that nothing can change their mind, then anti-gun control folks are saying that mass shootings everywhere in the country just don’t matter. That killing scores of school kids every day would not be worth changing anything. That guns slaughtering millions of Americans every year wouldn’t move them.
If the answer to “what will it take?” is nothing, if they really think that outrageously high numbers of people being killed by guns won’t matter, then that person is admitting that human life is absolutely valueless when weighed against possession of a gun. They are saying that people don’t matter, only guns do. Anyone walking down this road should both a) be forced to articulate this position clearly and then b) be shunned from public life entirely.
Professor Cohen sees Americans as two classes of people: amoral (subhuman?) pro-gun Americans prohibited from “public life” and moral anti-gun Americans running things for the public good.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that underpinned the Nazi party, leading to the Final Solution, which exterminated millions of Jews, including my grandparents and their entire community.
The fact that Professor Cohen can’t, make that won’t connect these dots is scarier than the Parkland Florida spree killer. ‘Nuff said?
Civil War 2 is going to make the last one seem like a quaint playground squabble. But I suspect this one will be more definitive as we see an entire ideology completely eliminated. Can’t happen soon enough for me.
“an entire ideology completely eliminated” Looks like you are a strong proponent of other freedoms. Yikes. On a side note, I think calling a Convention, or Amendments Convention on the second amendment is not going to go the way Professor Cohen thinks it will go.
“Guns killing people,” and “people killed by guns” are my two favorite quotes. The guns did it! Put them instead of the killer in jail!!!
Considering how well all the gun control talk worked out for the Dems last election cycle, I hope to god they make repealing the 2nd part of their official platform.
Republicans would have a super majority in short order.
*snort*
For all the good it would do us. After a hard won victory achieved by taking a stand to preserve Americans fundamental civil rights – the newly elected Republican would know damn well (from the excoriation he got from the media during the election) that he has almost no political capital to spend on rolling back some or any of the restrictions already in place on our rights.
TLDR
Nothing would change.
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The left always have the ‘either you’re with us, you’re you’re against us’ philosophy. There is no compromise and no middle ground with them.
I can bet FBI did nothing because they new and wanted it to happen. Most of the mass shootings in the last 10 years have one thing in common: The shooter was “known” to FBI or was warned about. This includes Sandy Hook shooter. How do you explain incident in Garland Texas where FBI new and “observed” attempted mass shooting by Muslim terrorist during Mohamed cartoon drawing contest couple of years ago?
Maybe it’s just me but I get real uncomfortable with any talk of repealing any part of the Bill of Rights.
Well, comrade, how about we shun anybody from public life who doesn’t accept that saving a few dozen at the expense of a few million is pants on head retarded?
Apparently not being able to prevent the next Holocaust, Holodomor, Cultural Revolution, etc… is acceptable just so long as we get rid of those icky guns.
For those trolls who say “that could never happen in America”… It already has. Your “progressive” aka socialist hero FDR is the only president in US history to throw American citizens in concentration camps based on nothing more than their race. He’s also the president you have to thank for effectively disarming large portions of the US population. It’s almost like he didn’t want his victims to be able to shoot back. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
Sorry, I pretty much quit reading when the article referred to Bloomberg’s research whore David Hemenway as a “violence prevention researcher” and John Lott as an “ideologically driven gun rights advocate”
When is it time to abolish the FBI?
The FBI let the shooter loose solely so he would go off eventually, so their buddies in the democrat and Republican Parties could push gun control.
Many people have a world view that is incompatible with reality. Cohen is just one of them.
But, there’s a diamond in his dung pile. He admits that, to accomplish his dreamy goal of banning guns, the Second would need to be repealed. Gone is the lunatic left claim that “gun control” (or whatever they’re calling it today) is not a Constitutionally prohibited infringement. I mean, if the Second doesn’t stand in the way, then why repeal it?
Progress.
Legally repeal, or effectively repeal? I expect this clown leans toward the latter. Consider his proclamation:
“Anyone walking down this road should both a) be forced to articulate this position clearly and then b) be shunned from public life entirely.”
In his own words, any opposing argument is to be treated perfunctorily, as an at best amusing formality on the way to meting out his predetermined punishment for those opposing him.
Anyone with that monstrous mindset likely envisions a five-out-of-nine end run around the Constitution to confiscate guns and exterminate the opposition, rather than a legitimate repeal of the Second Amendment.
Even if a law was made where all guns were limited to 10 round capacities, what effect does that have on mass shooting death tolls? The 20, 30, 60 round mags are still out there by the millions and if people want them, they’ll get them.
One can reload a 10 round magazine just as fast as they can a 20 or 30 rounder and there will still be high death tolls, plus there’s nothing that says a shooter won’t bring a handgun or two or three as a New York reload.
This is again the delusion that we can solve any problem so long as the central party passes a law. Change starts in our homes and communities, not in some big city far away by people won’t don’t know anything.
they should supply a trigger guard kydex holster with their shoulder holsters.
if there was a CW2, california would loose in record time LOL
This is way beyond disturbing! The FBI needs a house cleaning that will shake them to their boots!
I can bet FBI did nothing because they new this will happen and they wanted it to happen. Most of the mass shootings in the last 10 years have one thing in common: The shooter was “known” to FBI or other authorities or was warned about. This includes Sandy Hook shooter. How does one explain incident in Garland Texas where FBI new and “observed” attempted mass shooting by Muslim terrorist during Mohamed cartoon drawing contest couple of years ago?
I have one that belonged to my late husband. I do not believe it has been used in over 20 years so I cannot determine if it works or not. I am afraid to touch it much less look at the serial number.
Local police?
My son is a Chemistry teacher at a suburban NJ high school. He and four other teachers have approached the school board that they would be willing to train and carry in school if the board could get the state to agree to issuing CCW’s. This is the solution. Other than training there would be no cost and the children would be safer,
Hopefully they had a tag for that elk…
‘We wuz shot down by a elk’ said no chopper crew ever. Til now.
Cut and paste the Hughes 500 photo into the setting of a freeway, say somewhere in Texas, with elk splatter on one side and a SIG sticker on the other. Ask, What’s wrong with this photo.
Start small, like cleaning your room. Jordan Peterson stuff.
since no one there at the school was armed, it really does not matter what was used to kill those people. high cap mags was not needed. the shooter could have used a M1 Garand with it’s auto ejecting 8 round clip and still do as much damage. actor Michael Douglas in Romancing The Stone showed us how to assault with a 5 round pump action shotgun, ( and keep it loaded during the assault). so anyone so armed and employing such tactics could still do as much damage and so could someone with a lever action side loading rifle. so it really does not matter what kind of gun was used at all.
Elk-ida strikes again!
He better hope his lawyer is really good and gets him some leniency on mental health or something. Otherwise Florida is pretty well guaranteed to give him the needle.
I’d like to know details on the other things that happened prior to this. I sort of wonder if the “authorities” could have done much to stop this.
Sounds like they weren’t looking at the possible outcomes when planning this little operation. Since elk are easily capable of clearing ten foot fences I wouldn’t take that multi-million dollar chopper under thirty or fourty feet while doing something like that. But then I don’t have a four year degree in game management so what the hell do I know.
Another pocket dumper riding shanks mare?
See something => Say something => Do NOTHING
Democrats say that criticizing FBI corruption “undermines law enforcement”.
NOBODY can undermine law enforcement like law enforcement ITSELF.
…And Now all the SJW , Lib-TARD PRO-Aggressives, Authoritarian Police-State types will muster forward crowing about how we now need “pre-crime” screenings, and that everyone in the general public is “guilty till proven innocent to a police officer or Big Government Bureaucracy…” And you can bet dimes to dounuts that they will immediately demand heavy monitoring and screenings of everyone connected to the NRA, GOA, ALT-politics, TTAG, and anyone who just wants to own guns, knives, or any other self-defense weapon….Which leads, politically back to the EU….Where anyone who is NOT part of the norm is “wrong-thinking”and the above stated items are verboten……
It’s just a ploy to widen the divide in this country. The Russians wouldn’t DARE to risk losing the Tulammo and Wolf ammo revenue they make off my stockpiling 7.62×39.
New York born Sheriff whose had his deputies called out dozens of times for Cruz says gun laws need to change.
No Porky Pig, you and the FBI need to change.
On the AR-10 vs AR-15 article, a 20″ 6.5 Creed vs a 16″ 308 and 5.56 gun is not exactly a fair comparison especially at distance. Shooting at rifle lengths with carbines seems like a setup for failure from a ballistics standpoint.
My 18″ 5.56 gun vs my 18″ 243 AR-10 I’m building? Yeah that’d probably do a bit better.
Wasn’t going to fool with this posting, but had second thoughts. Ya’ll might want to save what follows.
How many existing laws were broken during the shooting?
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
Premeditated murder
Murder
Attempted murder
Aggravated assault
Assault with a deadly weapon
Assault and battery
Assault Threatening and intimidating
Conspiracy to commit felony
Conspiracy to commit misdemeanor
Aiding and abetting
Providing firearm to minor
Providing handgun to minor
Possession of firearm by minor
Possession of handgun by minor
Possession of firearm by minor without federally required permission slip from parent or guardian
Use of firearm or bomb to commit murder that is federally prosecutable
Brandishing a gun
Gun on school grounds
Possession of ammunition on school grounds
Discharging firearm in city limits
Discharging firearm on school grounds with reckless disregard for another person’s safety
Disturbing the peace
Committing a hate crime
– – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
What/which law not yet implemented would have overcome the violation of all the laws above, and stopped the shooter from attacking the school? What is the total number of laws necessary to ensure “mass shooting” become virtually non-existent?
Guns have been around in the US for a stupidly long amount of time. How come nobody is asking why these shooting have become a problem only recently? That’s the question people should be asking, but its more convenient to use guns as a political stick ala Jimmy Kimble.
Do not ask for something you consistently fail/refuse to define specifically. Tell us exactly what you mean by “sensible gun control” . The only “sensible gun control” is hitting what you are aiming at….if you want a meme, try this one:
“We need dedicated, effective security on every school campus to help stop the slaughter.” FIFY.
Nice hand cannon!
“GB: But possession is 9/10ths of the law!”
Yeah, prosecutors say the same thing, it makes felony convictions lots easier for them.
Question – A creditor gets a court order to seize the store inventory, including the paperless NFA toy, and does so. The Ryder rental truck departs the store with the guns for places unknown.
Is the creditor now in illegal possession of an NFA device?
Name game: 1. Maggie=magnum, 2. Bonnie = boning knife, 3. Bee Bee 4. Louise = Louisville Slugger.
Mueller needs to be fired and the investigation shut down. The millions per week that we save needs to go to allowing more training and agents to handle these calls.
Less than half an inch at 25 feet. Simply amazing. Put a red dot sight on this thing. Don’t complain about the rail, this gun was born for a sight.
This was an awesome test! It is good that we admit a gun will not help in every situation but it is no worse than the alternative results of a slaughter with no resistance. I would love if TTAG did this again with more scenarios and ideally more participants. If 50-100 participants could be gathered that would be awesome. Present scenarios with multiple classes and multiple armed teachers. Kids not necessarily staying in place but running all around trying to escape. A very likely scenario would be if the armed teacher(s) were not in the room that was getting shot up but instead they had to find the shooter. There are countless scenarios that should be tested.
WE let the Progressive left win the culture war. They force God out of the schools, out of government out of the public opinion, slaughter millions of babies on abortion tables, allow gay marriage, allow public masturbation during gay pride day in Cailf. teach kindergarden (sic) children that they are trans genered. Teach the “new morality” do what you want if it feels good. deride biblical morality because the snow flakes don’t want their conscience to be convicted for sinning. They want to get away with being immoral and don’t want to be told NO! you Can’t do that.
New York Times — is a joke.
There. Title fixed.
Their ultimate goal is confiscation via force. It’s what they dream about every night. They cheer every event of mass murder like Caligula bathing in the blood of animals and children. The Antis are literally racist towards gun owners. They see us as inferior, mentally defective, physically defective, diseases upon the earth. A disease they must cleanse through genocide. Make no mistake, they don’t just want to see all guns banned and confiscated, they want to see you dead as a result. By doing so they think they will save the human race, by giving a Final Solution to the Gun Question.
Knowing their (utter lack of) mentality, they will attempt to salvage what they can with the video they they have and thoroughly embarrass the woman they conned into participating.
This is *war* they are in, they will do anything, say anything, nothing is too low for them to stoop down to…
It doesn’t work. don’t do it.
I’m no marketing guru but it strikes me that “radio silence” is at this point probably the best idea.
The reason is fairly simple: There is no position to attack at this point which means that attacking risks making a headlong charge towards a windmill.
I admit that I have not paid the closest possible attention to the anti’s position in the last few days but what I’ve seen as been calls for “sensible gun control” with no substantive suggestions behind that statement. It’s vague and probably intentionally so.
If history serves, the antis usually start from this position and then go on to propose a series of policies that get crazier and less realistic as time goes on. I say let them do that and then attack them once they’ve set up weak positions. If they want to dig in to positions in the open well within range of artillery… let them. And then shell the ever-living-fuck out of them.
Nice job creating more division Bobby. We really can use this right now.
” Moms Demand Action and other gun control groups don’t think we should protect our most precious and vulnerable members of our society with guns. What’s wrong with protecting our precious children with guns?”
You can’t wave bloody shirts after a school shooting that was stopped by an armed defender.
These ghouls salivate over the next shooting, and the next. They have no intention of preventing murder, just exploiting it for their own disarmament goals.
“What’s wrong with protecting our precious children with guns?”
They want the other solution. The one that their masters pay them to promote. The one that is leftist orthodoxy and subverts the individual in order to empower the state. The one that sublimates the regular man but leaves the bodyguard-laden, private enclave-dwelling elite unencumbered. Take the weapons from the rabble, leave the upper crust folks alone. Ted Kennedy was a gun control champion. His bodyguard was busted with 2 submachine guns and 146 rounds of ammo (good thing he didn’t fall into a pond, he’d have gone straight to the bottom).
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-01-15/news/0190180113_1_submachine-guns-bodyguard-uzi
Don’t stop the exercise, please. Next, try better optics? So what if you can’t quite make 1000 yards, but you are able to reliably come in at 750? That’s still very welcome to many of us on limited budgets. Sure, it would be nice to spend three grand (or more) on a long-range rifle (1000 yards +), but many of us simply can’t do that.
We are the ones who really appreciate your work on this.
20,000 million times no.