Rhode Island gun rights advocates are working on their testimony for the Senate hearings on civilian disarmament. Thursday’s the day. As you might expect, the Little Rhody-based rabbi’s prepared a comprehensive document shooting down gun control canards and reality-checking ridiculous regulations. S0859 is your basic “assault weapon” and “high capacity magazine” ban bill. Check this: under its provisions, if cops catch someone in Rhode Island possessing an ammunition magazine that holds more than 10 cartridges (that was manufactured after July 1, 2013), the offender faces no less than 10 and no more than 20 years in jail. The rabbi puts that in context . . .
“If you compare the 10-20 year jail sentence to penalties for real violent crimes, its ridiculousness becomes clear.
If someone commits first degree robbery in RI they can get as little as 10 years (11-39-1)
It is just as much a crime to steal, than it would for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to simply possess a piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
Is someone is convicted of driving to endanger with death resulting the crime is not more than 10 years (31-27-1)
It is less criminal to kill someone with your car than it is for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to possess a simple piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
If someone commits 1st degree sexual assault they can get as little as 10 years (11-37-3)
It is just as much a crime to rape in Rhode Island than it is for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to simply possess a piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
If you commit arson, you can get as little as a 5-year sentence.
Burning down a building is less criminal than for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to possess a simple piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
Assault with dangerous weapon in dwelling house can get as little as 10 years. (11-5-4)
Actual violence is just as much a crime than it is for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to simply possess a piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
Battery by an adult upon child ten (10) years of age or younger causing serious bodily injury can get you as little as 5 years. (11-5-14.2 )
Beating up a child and causing serious injury is less of a crime to RI than it is for an otherwise law-abiding citizen to simply possess a piece of metal or plastic made after an arbitrary date.
Murder in the second degree can get you as little as 10 years. (11-23-2)
Do you really think murder is less of a crime than simple possession of a piece of metal or plastic that was perfectly legal if it was manufactured the day before?
That’s the before picture. The after picture is of the huge gouge in her face from the recoil of the negligently discharged pistol.
Get the hell out of there Robert.
NO JOKE. Get OUT. I betcha once you leave, you’ll never, ever be able to find your way back to Never-Ever Land…
Sweet tap-dancing Moses on a Popsicle stick. Those comparisons do jump out at you. Yeesh.
Who is the rabbi?
I is 🙂
David Kenik
http://www.armedresponsetraining.com
Got included on a private tour of the gun vault at the Smithsonian’s Museum of American History a few years back. Racks and racks, drawers and drawers of firearms history, including some one-of-a-kind patent models from the time when working models were required for issuance of a patent. Fascinating as well as woody inducing. Countless drawers of Colt Single Action Army pistols alone.
I have been browsing online more than three hours today, yet I by no means discovered any attention-grabbing article like yours.
It is pretty value sufficient for me. In my view, if all
webmasters and bloggers made good content material as you probably did, the internet might be much more useful than ever before.
really , it leave you with 2 choices if you live in RI. first is to get rid of all mags that hold over 10 rounds . you cannot risk 10-20 years of your life on being able to prove you had it before the law was passed . for most of fowgs it would be a life sentence. then you go cowboy and buy revolvers and leverguns.
the other choice is to treat this as an eviction notice. the reality of spending the rest of your life in prison is nothing to joke about . The thing is , the 10 years is a minimum . A gun hating judge could give you 20 .
Hey, the government made marijuana possession illegal so what’s to stop them from making standard capacity magazines illegal?
“First they came for the pot smokers and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a pot smoker.”
This looks like it might be good to carry in the summer. I tried all three of my fullsize guns in .45, .40 and 9 mm today. They all print way too much with just my t-shirt. They are all fine with a jacket in fall winter and early spring. As I am heading south I will have to find a smaller carry gun.
My 8 year old would love to get her hands on an AK. She will just have to be happy with her 10/22 and shooting my SR-22 handgun.
The high penalties are a distraction designed to sap your energy and attention; it’s not like one year in jail would be a picnic. They’ll “compromise” on the penalties in the end, so don’t fixate on those and lose track of the big picture – 10-round magazines are not enough to cover all reasonably common self-defense situations and are thus constitutionally suspect, given that Heller and McDonald expressly affirm the right to self-defense with a handgun. If you can’t sink the very idea of a magazine size limit, at least fight for it to be 15 or, better yet, 20.
Meanwhile American children are being expelled from school for making a gun with their finger.
How are they going to grow up and be able to fight these other kids?
Their kids will never hear our kids coming?
We haven’t seen what the jury’s will do yet. I’d hate to be in with the first test cases though. If the jurys won’t convict they have no mag law & just expensive trials, Randy/// The real criminals say, put us in jail, fu.k your laws & they let em out with an ankle bracelet, Randy
The problem is we always run. Weve been running for so long now that its basic instinct. The answer is not to get out, to run. It is to fight.
I hope these are enemy snipers in training complete with permanent mega trigger jerk, tinnitus, and complete disregard for sights .
Hey Dianne. “KISS MY ROYAL, MAINE ASS”. Oh, and you too Chuck.
keep in mind that the chronicle has been circling the bowl for years and that because of this they no longer feel the need to hide their hippy bs from their readers.
Just out of curiosity, why do you guys have scopes mounted instead of red dots or holographic sights?
Fantastic! Super captivating info. I am book-marking this website right now. With thanks!
Here’s something for Defensive Gun Use of the Day if you haven’t heard of it yet (with an AR-15):
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/Elkins_Park_man_killed_after_forcing_his_way_into_apartment.html
Was it a “high capacity” BB gun?
Fast and Furious guns?
“FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY” right there on the side. sarc.
This is the NYT we are talking about. My Colt SP6920 has “M4” stamped on the side of it. Its not like they would know the difference.
Why are we trusting news from a fictional publication like the NYT?
By the way, a quick look at the comments section should prove to anyone here beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are indeed two separate countries now, and we are indeed at war, even if it is a cold war at the moment. I can’t think of a single greater falsehood I’ve ever heard in my life than that “United We Stand” crap that became famous after 9/11.
Funny how perspectives change, speaking of 9/11. I was saddened and horrified after that event. If that happened tomorrow in NYC, I’d shrug and think, “It’s just New Yorkers. Good.”
Ms. Feinstein and Hilter have the same opinion:
These can be found in Hitler’s Table Talk, 1941-1944: Secret Conversations with the English translation copyrighted 1953 by Weidenfeld and Nicolson.
Consider this often-cited passage, from Part Three: 6 February – 7 September 1942:
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let’s not have any native militia or native police.
“There’s no justification for military style knives in the hands of civilians. They’re just too dangerous. We’re not trying to take your knives away, after all we thoroughly support America’s culinary culture. We’re just trying to do the right thing. For the children.”
Yeah, I can hear it.
Wow, as a woman I may say this rifle is a turn-on!
Does this idiot not realize that “someone who walks into a store to buy a potential weapon of mass murder” will already are subjected to a background check under the current law?
I passed a kidney stone once, clearly I’m a fully trained urologist. On topic: This is what comes from paying people to talk about sports. They think their rock-stupid opinions actually matter.
And all of this justified the blatant 4th amendment searchs and seizures at gunpoint of hundreds of homeowners? The ACLU is just gonna have a civil rights wet dream over the years long litigation this will spawn. But, it is for the children(TM)
Hi. I’m Nick, I’m from North Providence, and I’m pissed. I beg your pardon.
As a Massachusetts native “escapee” – I fled the state (not to escape prosecution, but the oppressive state itself) at my earliest opportunity. Unfortunately, I’m starting to see that our little state that I once loved fall prey to the same types of people and trains of “thought” as our northern neighbors.
As I’m sure you’re well aware, Mass is completely hell-bent on passing laws for the sake of passing laws. Apparently Mass isn’t “progressing” unless laws are being scribbled out on a friggin’ Starbucks napkin, and swiftly pushed through. Politicians rushing to pass un-researched and emotion-fueled legislation to feel a sense of accomplishment are crushing out rights as Americans. It’s no longer by the people, for the people. It’s by me, for me and the other people who are like me. Forget everyone else.
These clowns envision something as detrimental to their own self-involved lifestyles, so certainly it’s a detriment to “anyone else right-minded”. Laws will take care of that detriment! They’ll make (my idea of) the world a better place! Wow! I am saving the world! There. Done. One less thing to worry about! OK! WRITE AND PASS NEW LAW! Check! What’s next on my ever-so-important busy schedule for today?
OH NO! IT’S TIME FOR SOCCER PRACTICE! No time! Gotta go! Load the kids into the van, we’re late!
Unfortunately, and to the credit of nobody, our modern society doesn’t stop to “smell the flowers”, to stop to research, to stop to think. This self-important hurried culture plagued with a Twitter-esque mindset is eroding our rights at an alarming pace. If the details of something – anything – take more than a few seconds to review, then it’s a bother. In Mass, laws are written and passed in the same way, and it starting to happen here in RI as well. First impression, primary emotion, uninformed opinion and kneejerk reaction far too often become final decision.
It’s a waste of their time to take a second to learn about what they think is wrong. The mind’s made up! No time to waste! Onward to the PTA meeting!
Gone is consideration of how the results of these kneejerk reactionary measures will affect anyone else. What a complete inconvenience.
I’m a grown adult, and have been for a few decades now. I’m responsible, I’m law-abiding, and I will be god damned if some lazy-ass imposes their condensed, under-informed, and hurried “what works for ME” agenda on me. Lawmakers – do or don’t do what you want within the confines of your own home. I’ll do or not do what suits me behind my doors. I assure you that what I do will not interfere with your ever-so-busy schedule and your superficial life.
Do you actually want to reduce gun violence? Slap those mandatory 10 and 20 year terms on crimes with illegal weapons. Not just guns. Any weapons that the person is not legally eligible to have. I don’t give a good god damn if it’s a butter knife. Double the terms for repeat offenders. Mandatory. No room for wiggling out, no room for shirking responsibility for your own actions. It likely won’t stop crimes from happening – criminals don’t give a F about laws. What it will do, however, is remove criminal scum from our streets, and away from people like us and our families. It’s a start.
Leave my “assault military semi fully automatic evil gun tool rifle death weapon” alone. I sport shoot a lot. I also retain my weapons for the sake of defending myself, my home, and the ones that I love.
Illegal guns are already on the streets. Politicians have vastly failed in keeping illegal handguns off the streets. It’s in their job description that they are to write and pass effective laws that work for the people. Obviously what was in place didn’t work. We’re constantly dealing with the effects of their failed laws, and failed policies. Penning new laws that criminalize law-abiders as a reaction is ludicrous. Why should we further pay the price for lawmakers’ shortcomings? Absolutely ridiculous.
Some of the more extreme results of said failed policies are why you and I need guns to defend ourselves in the first place. As it is we’re forced to deal with a culture where we can’t let our kids play outside anymore without fear. Neighborhoods just a few minutes away from home that were not-so-long-ago working-class neighborhoods are now crime-filled cesspools full of, yep, illegal guns. And quite a few illegal aliens with quite a few illegal guns.
Stop, Rhode Island lawmakers. STOP. Take a friggin’ breath and actually learn about what you’re trying to do, what negative connotations it’ll have, who it really affects the most, and what, if any, positive result is likely after all is considered. Banning sporting rifles with “high capacity magazines” is going to have zero effect in reducing gun violence in Rhode Island. Such legislation isn’t going to stop a couple of big bad guys with illegal guns who are high on crack from wandering a mile up the road into to my neighborhood. It’s definitely not going to stop them from breaking into my home if that’s their intent. It’s absolutely not going to stop them from trying to steal my belongings, and potentially threaten or harm my family in the process. What it will do, Mr and Mrs Lawmakers, is leave us vulnerable, to face the crime that your policies’ failures have created, without the ability to properly protect ourselves from such threats.
Stop. Just stop. “Block out” ten minutes on your… iPhone calendar…. whatever. Put down your latte, and realize the real and long-term effects of your actions. We can only hope that this happens. I “pray” that it does. Atheist. Unrelated to point…
Anyhow, with all written, and this may be a cliche at this point, out of my cold dead god damn hands. I did my time growing up, having been told what to do, regardless of if it was right or wrong. I complied.
As a Massachusetts native “escapee” – I fled the state (not to escape prosecution, but the oppressive state itself) at my earliest opportunity. Unfortunately, I’m starting to see that our little state that I once loved fall prey to the same types of people and trains of “thought” as our northern neighbors.
As I’m sure you’re well aware, Mass is completely hell-bent on passing laws for the sake of passing laws. Apparently Mass isn’t “progressing” unless laws are being scribbled out on a friggin’ Starbucks napkin, and swiftly pushed through. Politicians rushing to pass un-researched and emotion-fueled legislation to feel a sense of accomplishment are crushing out rights as Americans. It’s no longer by the people, for the people. It’s by me, for me and the other people who are like me. Forget everyone else.
These clowns envision something as detrimental to their own self-involved lifestyles, so certainly it’s a detriment to “anyone else right-minded”. Laws will take care of that detriment! They’ll make (my idea of) the world a better place! Wow! I am saving the world! There. Done. One less thing to worry about! OK! WRITE AND PASS NEW LAW! Check! What’s next on my ever-so-important busy schedule for today?
OH NO! IT’S TIME FOR SOCCER PRACTICE! No time! Gotta go! Load the kids into the van, we’re late!
Unfortunately, and to the credit of nobody, our modern society doesn’t stop to “smell the flowers”, to stop to research, to stop to think. This self-important hurried culture plagued with a Twitter-esque mindset is eroding our rights at an alarming pace. If the details of something – anything – take more than a few seconds to review, then it’s a bother. In Mass, laws are written and passed in the same way, and it starting to happen here in RI as well. First impression, primary emotion, uninformed opinion and kneejerk reaction far too often become final decision.
It’s a waste of their time to take a second to learn about what they think is wrong. The mind’s made up! No time to waste! Onward to the PTA meeting!
Gone is consideration of how the results of these kneejerk reactionary measures will affect anyone else. What a complete inconvenience.
I’m a grown adult, and have been for a few decades now. I’m responsible, I’m law-abiding, and I will be god damned if some lazy-ass imposes their condensed, under-informed, and hurried “what works for ME” agenda on me. Lawmakers – do or don’t do what you want within the confines of your own home. I’ll do or not do what suits me behind my doors. I assure you that what I do will not interfere with your ever-so-busy schedule and your superficial life.
Do you actually want to reduce gun violence? Slap those mandatory 10 and 20 year terms on crimes with illegal weapons. Not just guns. Any weapons that the person is not legally eligible to have. I don’t give a good god damn if it’s a butter knife. Double the terms for repeat offenders. Mandatory. No room for wiggling out, no room for shirking responsibility for your own actions. It likely won’t stop crimes from happening – criminals don’t give a F about laws. What it will do, however, is remove criminal scum from our streets, and away from people like us and our families. It’s a start.
Leave my “assault military semi fully automatic evil gun tool rifle death weapon” alone. I sport shoot a lot. I also retain my weapons for the sake of defending myself, my home, and the ones that I love.
Illegal guns are already on the streets. Politicians have vastly failed in keeping illegal handguns off the streets. It’s in their job description that they are to write and pass effective laws that work for the people. Obviously what was in place didn’t work. We’re constantly dealing with the effects of their failed laws, and failed policies. Penning new laws that criminalize law-abiders as a reaction is ludicrous. Why should we further pay the price for lawmakers’ shortcomings? Absolutely ridiculous.
Some of the more extreme results of said failed policies are why you and I need guns to defend ourselves in the first place. As it is we’re forced to deal with a culture where we can’t let our kids play outside anymore without fear. Neighborhoods just a few minutes away from home that were not-so-long-ago working-class neighborhoods are now crime-filled cesspools full of, yep, illegal guns. And quite a few illegal aliens with quite a few illegal guns.
Stop, Rhode Island lawmakers. STOP. Take a friggin’ breath and actually learn about what you’re trying to do, what negative connotations it’ll have, who it really affects the most, and what, if any, positive result is likely after all is considered. Banning sporting rifles with “high capacity magazines” is going to have zero effect in reducing gun violence in Rhode Island. Such legislation isn’t going to stop a couple of big bad guys with illegal guns who are high on crack from wandering a mile up the road into to my neighborhood. It’s definitely not going to stop them from breaking into my home if that’s their intent. It’s absolutely not going to stop them from trying to steal my belongings, and potentially threaten or harm my family in the process. What it will do, Mr and Mrs Lawmakers, is leave us vulnerable, to face the crime that your policies’ failures have created, without the ability to properly protect ourselves from such threats.
Stop. Just stop. “Block out” ten minutes on your iPhone calendar, put down your latte, and realize the effects of your actions. We can only hope that this happens.
With that written, and this may be a cliche at this point, out of my cold dead god damn hands. I did my time growing up, having been told what to do, regardless of if it was right or wrong. Don’t make us pay. Don’t encourage more crimes on more working-class families.
I don’t understand why all of these laws aren’t ruled illegal by the fact that they clearly violate the second amendment. The amendment says “shall not be infringed”. It’s like all these idiotic lawmakers don’t own a dictionary, or worse, they do and choose to ignore it. “Infringed” means limited, the second amendment clearly states that our right to keep and bear arms shall not be limited. Every gun control bill/law ever written attempts to limit some aspect of the weapons, or ammo we choose to use to defend ourselves. All of the writers of gun control bills need to tried, and hung for treason…..or better yet a public firing squad.