“We do not doubt that many sincerely believe the measure, passed after the Newtown massacre, should never have become a Connecticut law because it violates their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. But that doesn’t give them the right to disobey it. The law’s constitutionality is a matter for the courts to determine, not the individual gun owner. In the meantime, he or she must obey the law or face the consequences of breaking it.” – Gun owners must obey registration law [via theday.com]
The only problem with the deletion of “ad hominem attacks” is that it is a matter of some subjectivity as to what is ad hominem or not. Truth, while sometimes it comes across as an attack, is nothing but truth. To treat truth otherwise to to cower to the PC crowd and lick the boots of your oppressors.
But I digress.
No good TTAG thread is complete without a bootlicking reference, so thanks for topping this one out.
Now What? But they are right. Was the law legally enacted to take away our right before a court can decide?
Does it matter…?
If the courts say it is perfectly legal for everyone to kill a certain group of people and take their property, you being those people, would you obey and take your death?
Ever heard of Dred Scott?
You just lost me there. Who’s sick reasoning?
Like they obeyed during Prohibition…. Right.
We see where that got the big Guv! REPEELED!!!!
An unconstitutional law requires non-compliance as Constitutionality mandates it. Unless the entire state of CT is non-rural, The Supreme Court has already ruled that registration in rural areas is unconstitutional as the knowing is not a matter of public safety in areas of rurality. In DC V Heller it was stated that CITIES have the right to require registration. No where does it say the States can do so.
The State Police should be enforcing the constitution, not that which is unconstitutional. They are to follow and obey the rulings of the court, not lawmakers, if those lawmakers pass laws against the Judicial branch in regards to constitutionality.
An Un-Constitutional Law requires non-compliance”. I love that!
An unlawful law should not be followed. Just ask the participants at Nuremburg. By the way, not meant as an ad hominem attack here, but in the pic above, Private Butch looks like she/he might need a lesson in weapons handling.
Exactly! All these people screaming that we need to follow the law are the same people who shouted that the Nazis should have disobeyed it. If a large portion of the population feels it is unjust and it violates the laws of nature enumerated in the constitution (self defense) then they have a moral obligation of non-compliance… you listening NY?
Guns are icky!
Even in the military you are instructed that it is your DUTY to disregard or disobey an unlawful order, AND to report the reasons and the person who issued that order.
Any law passed that is so obviously unconstitutional requires disregard on the part of the citizens and the rapid repeal of the law and prosecution of any and all government officials who attempt to enforce it.
The next step in CT will probably be a law that warrants are not necessary if you are suspected of owning a prohibited weapon and that you are not allowed access to legal representation. That way they can break down your door at zero dark thirty, shoot your dog, arrest you, confiscate ALL of your firearms, throw your wife in jail for conspiracy to defy the state, ship your kids to foster care and imprison you for years until the Supreme Court decides that the whole thing was a mistake, slaps the CT legislature on the wrist, and you are released from prison destitute, homeless, and unemployable.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure that’s what the Founding Fathers had in mind.
The part I’m really curious about is what is the ATF doing with these forms for a whole year? Yeah, yeah, I know that they have 8 employees and they get 20,000-30,000 applications per year (and rising). But, what are they actually looking at on the applications? This seems like an awful long time to verify the serial number of the can…
It gets even weirder with trusts. Are those 8 employees lawyers for all 50 states…? Doubtful. So, what are they doing…?
Zees ahr oardhers! You vill obey!
According to this quote, if the CT legislature passed laws abolishing the rights of free speech and banning attendance at houses of worship, the right to trial by jury, and the need for search warrants, then all citizens would be obliged to follow these laws until the SCOTUS declared they were unconstitutional.
My brain hurts trying to comprehend the disconnect here from logic, law and American history
The only thing that’s missing is a Storm Trooper…err, I mean CT State Police checkpoint demanding “papiere bitte!” And you better obey until such practice is found unconstitutional. See? Makes perfect sense…
Watch for it as a “logical” extension of the drunk driving checkpoints.
“Would you mind if we have a look in your car, sir?”
“No, you may not.”
“We can wait here all night, sir. . .Hey, Joe, get the dog! This wiseass won’t let us search the car!”
I foresee another Waco in the not to distant future.
#2
At least CT residents are free, unlike those poor slobs in Libya.
It would appear that you have only two freedoms left in Connecticut –
1) You are free to disobey this unconstitutional law and face the potential consequences, or
2) You are free to pack up all of your belongings and leave the state and all you have worked for your whole life behind.
In the case of item 2), do not be surprised if the State Police set up checkpoints at the major highways exiting the state to stop U-Hauls and moving vans to inspect for transportation of unregistered weapons and then throw your ass in jail anyway rather than let you depart.
I wonder what kind of plastic FOBUS holsters are made out of. They work well but seem to be hard on the finish of Glocks.
I suppose it’s possible that my Fobus paddle holster is abrading the finish on my Glock 26, but who could tell?
Hopefully the state police of CT are paying attention to the situation in Oakland, CA. The criminal element all but rules the night in parts of that town. The cops don’t even bother to stop or attempt to apprehend. Any criminal with the balls to wave firearms and throw bottles at cops isn’t going to hesitate to shoot at someone attempting to arrest them. CT police needs to note one important thing… the citizenship is better armed, and better shots. The sheep have teeth.
Those people aren’t the sheep. Generally speaking it’s the people in the cities who elect these clowns.
I believe Blackhawk kydex style holsters have a warning stating not to leave kydex holsters in cold climates for to long of periods for the possibility of the plastic becoming brittle and with tension from the belt on the beltloop it breaking off the hip
I believe that sounds like a threat……
These idiots just keep walking into deeper water.
So here’s it is folks. How many in CT will openly defy an unjust law? How many will administratively overwhelm the system? Rosa Parks’ seat squat was a walk in the park compared to this.
At issue is legislators AND elected representatives openly circumventing establish procedures to past a law that prevents the people from exercising their 2A right.
I live in MD. Same thing. DATells cops you bring them in, we will charge them.
Resist. It’s the just and human thing to do.
Since you need to have “standing” to challenge an unconstitutional law, if everyone follows his advice and simply complies with this edict there can technically never be an appeal to SCOTUS. Well played, Connecticut.
Will this apply to the minions of the state as well? OK so that question is rhetorical.
Mag capacity is relatively meaningless. Anyone who can do El Presidente in around 8 seconds can deal with the “tactical limitation” (sarcasm) of having < a 15 round mag.
NJ is a freedom nightmare. Either voters are ignorant or they have a government that ignores freedom. I wouldn't live in that hellhole for anything.
Two songs come to mind(lines from the songs actually): “People get ready! There’s a train a coming”: law abiding CT gun owners!!
“Get up Stand Up! Stand up for your rights”!!:American Patriots!
It a past time we get off our asses and fight back! If we continue to let the government take just a little but here and a little there before long we have nothing left! We are damn near there now, both as an individual and as a country!!
We have to fight fire with fire!! And above all We as Americans cannot fire the first shot!! Let the government fire the first shot! Let us defend our homes and families against attack! If we fire the first shot of the “Revolution”(pray it never comes to that), we are the “Bad Guys”, “Crazy Gun Toting Fools”,etc etc!! CT’s legal gun owning law abiding citizens are doing it the right way!!
Every state needs to follow their example of defiance and refusal to obey such a blatantly unconstitutional “law”!!
JMHO YMMV
And before you ask yes I do practice what I preach. On social media 10-12 hrs a day. Talking to people face to face. Call my politicians 6 days a week!! On and on and on!
I am reminded that the law of the land has many, many times been used as a force of oppression in our history. Resettlement of Native Americans was the law. Blacks being worth three-fifths of a white person was the law. Internment of American citizens of Japanese ancestry was the law. Note what all these cases share – the oppression of a smaller group by the majority. The counterweight to the mob-rule of democracy is the Constitution, or at least it is supposed to be. Sadly, SCOTUS ruled in the examples above that the laws enabling that oppression were constitutional, and thus legal.
Freedom could easily be defined as an individual determining what is right vs. that definition being provided by the government. But while I might define freedom in this way, another would call it anarchy. And maybe they would be correct. In any case, I know how I want to live and it is not beneath the boot of an all-powerful State who manipulates the laws as a force of oppression and have so corrupted the Founder’s design that oppression becomes the law of the land.
This, too, I know: there is a time in every generation when what is right is more important than what is legal.
One correction:
The three fifths compromise was not drawn up by the South to deny rights to blacks, it was proposed by the abolitionist north to ensure the south had less representation in Congress. Although it seems barbaric from an egalitarian perspective, it helped free blacks in the end by limiting the political power of their slave owners.
Not saying how it was created, but rather that it was nonsense – and passed constitutional muster by SCOTUS – regardless of where the law was authored. I understand the historical context, but it was a silly law. Wyoming (I believe) was the first state to give women the vote and this was done only to enable statehood as only voters counted in population requirements. Sometimes people do stupid stuff for “right” reasons and sometimes they do decent things for wrong reasons. It can indeed be muddy.
Very true. The 3/5 compromise was intended to minimize the influence of slave ownership, a tacit measure to hasten the ending of slavery.
The 3/5ths rule regarded blacks needs to be clarified. It was actually
a good thing. At this point any Progressive who is reading this should
now leave before reading he explanation (read: historical truth)
and scream to the media how we’re all racists.
Continuing, at the time there was still slavery. But the slave owning
states still wanted to count blacks among the population. Why?
to increase the number of seats in Congress and the Electoral college.
Naturally the additional congressmen would be on the side of slave
owners. Shockingly slaves could vote themselves and had owners
often “help” with filling out the ballot. Surprisingly, only pro-slavery
people got elected. So, essentially, slave states were stacking the
deck and making it harder for abolitionists to make any headway.
The 3/5th Compromise would temper this advantage; smaller
population, less influence in Congress.
In your examples you also forgot (as do most) the internment of
German Americans during WWI and WWII. An understandable
oversight though. Very few history books even record the events.
Sure thousands if not tens of thousands were interned but they
don’t count. You see, teaching history kind of hurts the Progressive
meme that we’re all unredeemable racists.
Uh, almost. Slaves were not citizens, they were property. They could NOT vote. But you are right about how the debate and subsequent compromise was over if and how they were to be counted for census purposes and Congressional representation.
I wouldn’t be surprised, though, if newly enfranchised blacks were pressured by the landowners they rented farmland from to vote certain ways. You know, when people weren’t running around in bed sheets and raising a fuss.
“Raising a fuss” is intentional understatement for the record.
Congratulations Robert and quite right. Nothing is more corrosive to any cause then the over-the-top shrillness so often found on the commentary sites on any matter – not just guns.
I said “nothing”, but what may be even worse is the endless, snarky attacks on others of the same mind. From minutiae like spelling or word usage to “smartest-guy-in-the-room” wiseassyness to charges of treason for any variation from the party line it simply “leaves the field” to the loudest and crudest. This not only removes some of the ablest of thinkers from the struggle but often causes them to reflect that perhaps some of the commentators really shouldn’t possess firearms of any sort – maybe some of these laws aren’t so bad after all…..
In the end the gun rights crowd is in danger of becoming a small, squabbling and isolated band of misfits to be dumped into the dustbin of history. Do not let this happen. Commentary and criticism are fine and often helpful but always ask yourself, does it advance the cause?
The grabbers never sleep, they never give up and they don’t waste time sniping at each other. Let’s do the same.
This sure isn’t just an intellectual exercise anymore. It’s all getting very real, very fast. I also see it potentially getting very ugly, very fast.
Perhaps Connecticut will earn it’s Constitution State moniker instead of more appropriately being labeled The Nutmeg State. Take care. Tom Worthington
Sometimes the mask slips and we see the monster.
Blind obedience to the state is the only goal, and the reason we resist.
No need to apologize Alex. Things ARE getting better. I no longer think we are the worst place in America. (top 5). Probably moving to Indiana soon but I’ll still do lots of business in Illinois. FIGHT THE POWER
I would definitely recommend eye protection like with any firearm but also double ear protection. Foam inserts in addition to earmuffs with a good NRR. Would fire first rounds with only one in cylinder to get used to it and handle it like any firearm with the respect they demand. Guns in general are very intolerate of lapses in care or judgment.
Final comment for today. If you buy this gun be very careful who you let shoot it. It is definitely a handful. I would be very careful about letting kids under 18, smaller people – male or female – and those who have not shot a powerful handgun like a 357 magnum before. To me it makes a 357 magnum feel like a 22.
DRES for success (defy, resist, evade, smuggle). It is a citizen’s right and DUTY to disobey unjust and unconstitutional laws. There will be and are times when a citizen must choose to take a difficult and harrowing path. Follow your conscience.
Many a Nazi private used the argument about just following orders. Does history not tell us anything?
We are currently watching the rise to power of a tyrant, just as the Germans did in the 1930’s. The only difference at the moment is that Obama hasn’t chosen to publicly admit to having a race of people he wants to wipe off the face of the planet. But if people watch his, and his sycophantic followers, moves and we see who he believes all of the worlds problems come down upon. How much longer will it be before we all see what this muslims true agenda is?
In regards to the Ukrainian issue,
If police are ready to use live ammunition against protesters, then there should be no doubt in anyone’s mind that a revolution is necessary.
+1
I wish them luck.
Sounds like Mr. Beauchamp should read why the carrying of guns are civilized:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1850156/posts
Followed by a “Left argument for Gun Rights:”
http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Rifle-on-the-Wall-A-L-by-Jim-Kavanagh-130131-374.html
Objective points against barrel being cut off
1) the end of the actual barrel is recessed approx. 2 mm inside the end of firearm – this would be difficult to do by just lopping off end of barrel
2) if you cut off an inch or two from the barrel you would also cut off the front sight. Now you would have to machine a new dove tail attachment groove to reattach the front sight
3) The emblem “Rossi” on the left side and “.44 MAGNUM” on the right would no longer be centered on the now cut off barrel
Where do people come up with this stuff?
So…if the state government passed a law banning speech that is critical of the government, would the media have the attitude of, “We disagree with this law, but deciding the legality of it is a job for the Courts; we the citizens must obey it in the meantime or face the consequences…”
OR
“Some laws are so blatantly unconstitutional that they are not to be left solely to the Courts and the citizens have a right and a duty to disobey them.”
It’s right here in the Declaration of Independence, the first three sentences of the second paragraph:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”
I don’t think it could be any more clear that when laws are not in the interests of all the people, when laws restrict the rights of all the people, these laws must be changed.
Those sure are fancy uniforms. In my experience, the fancier the uniform, the less capable the troops. I wouldn’t expect much out of them in line-of-battle.
Battle? What battle? They are peace officers! /sarc
I don’t know, SS Panzer divisions looked pretty sharp, and at the time I think they did pretty well in the field.
An unjust law must be disobeyed.
The people are obligated to take a stance.
The peoples of Connecticut didn’t want these laws the politicians did.
Same in Colorado and NY.
Might as well add Maryland.
Until the Supreme Court takes up the issues pending before it on gun rights.
And for once comes up with a written ruling.
Right or wrong.
The people must disobey these laws till proven otherwise.
I don’t honestly see the State making an example of any one individual who disobeys with some civil disobedience.
Once the cats out of the bag it will never go back in.
If the state lets loose the dogs of war.
It will be a bloody mess.
You honestly think any side wants that on their hands??
“In the meantime, he or she must obey the law or face the consequences of breaking it.”
Actually, in the meantime, the state must obey the Constitution, or face the consequences of disgracing it. The boiling frog is beginning to feel the heat…
Button rifling… Didn’t DG once say button rifle was the worst of the various ways to put rifling? If so, I’m kind of surprised FN used it.
(I also think he said CHF was overrated, too, but I’ll leave that to someone who has a clue, i.e. not me.)
Either way, curious to see how FN’s AR stands up to the Colts and Remingtons. Figure the other mil contractors are the most valid comparisons.
You’re telling me this has a semi-auto BCG?! What the heck?
My understanding was m4gery applied to all semi auto only copies.
Or you could save $300+ and build yourself a PSA rifle with hammer-forged barrel (from FN, ironically enough!), mid-length gas, and Magpul everything.
Just saying.
I agree. I wouldn’t buy this. Not when I can get/build better for less. The FN logo isn’t that valuable to me – Sorry.
If the mandatory beating of blacks for talking back to whites or looking at whites was the new law in Connecticut, and people felt that was Unconstitutional and immoral, should they obey it or ignore it?
I’ve got a 3.5″ Rock Island that’s been incredibly reliable. I had one problematic session with it after I’d way overlubed it and failed to seat the recoil rod correctly, but that isn’t really the guns fault. Apart from that I’ve put maybe 800 rounds through it by now with one or two failures to feed. I’m still searching for something lighter that I like as much (as far as trigger goes) that’s affordable but the gun itself is mechanically fine and cost 400 bucks….I’ve shot Wilsons and LOVE them but damn they’re out of my price range
“Even when they grasp Mr. Heinlein’s famous pronouncement that an armed society is a polite society, even as they enjoy its benefits, they reject it. What’s their alternative? State control.”
An armed government makes for polite slaves.
Haha.
Obey!
That is the statement they call for.
“We do not doubt that many sincerely believe the measure, passed after the Newtown massacre, should never have become a Connecticut law because it violates their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. But that doesn’t give them the right to disobey it. The law’s constitutionality is a matter for the courts to determine, not the individual gun owner. In the meantime, he or she must obey the law or face the consequences of breaking it.” – Gun owners must obey registration law
Natural rights are not granted to us by the constitution, nor do the courts determine their existence. They are granted to us by each individual’s creator. It came to being through much debate amongst philosophers. Our founding father’s agreed with those philosophies as listed here in the declaration of independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
In the US we have freedom of religion, so they didn’t say God… they said “their Creator…”
If we all face the consequence of breaking it and juror’s acquit those who break them. The law means nothing. Nothing at all. During the prohibition 60% of all juries acquitted still owners and alcohol distributors. Ultimately that law was repealed.
“Gun owner’s must obey registration law.” Actually no. There are only two things we MUST do in this short life. Be Born, and live until we die. That’s it. The rest is up to us.
We all have a duty to disobey unlawful laws and/or orders. Does anyone remember 1LT William Calley and the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam.
no M16 BGC? pass.
i guess ill just build my own again then.
But the logo man, the LOGO!
So the line in the sand thing ? They (YKWTA) keep making laws that when challenged or fall short of their intended result they keep changing the date or some aspect of it to keep it going (Obama care). What WE all need to do is to get involved those who are sitting there quietly in the corners or think that this doesn’t apply to them also need to get involved.
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”
― Thomas Jefferson
The correct response to the following should be:
We do not doubt that many sincerely believe the measure, passed as a quick campaign boosting knee jerk reaction after the Newtown massacre, should never have become a Connecticut law because it violates the second amendment right to keep and bear arms. That gives everyone the right to disobey it. Because after all it is a right… right? Is a Right or is it not a right? The law’s constitutionality is very straightforward… shall not be infringed. It is each and everyone’s duty as an American and free-person to stand up against infringements such as these, regardless of consequences. – Gun owners must disobey registration law.
16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:
“The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be In agreement. It is impossible for both the Constitution and a law violating it to be valid; one must prevail. This is succinctly stated as follows:
“The General rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the form and name of law is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the time of its enactment and not merely from the date of the decision so branding it. An unconstitutional law, in legal contemplation, is as inoperative as if it had never been passed. Such a statute leaves the question that it purports to settle just as it would be had the statute not been enacted.”
[Emphasis added]
Point well taken. Our grade school civics classes instilled in us that the federal Constitution, as amended, is the supreme law of the land. That said, when I looked up the cite you posted above (16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256:) I came across this, from Wikipedia;
“The citation to “16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256” is nonsensical gibberish. A correct citation looks like this: “47 Am. Jur. 2d. Jury § 266 (1995).” First, you’re missing periods. Second, “late 2d” is not a valid notation in any major American legal citation system. I can’t tell if you’re citing sections 177, 256, both, or everything in between. Third, an Am. Jur. cite always mentions the title of the Am. Jur. article being cited and uses the section sign (§). There’s no reference to the article being cited so it’s impossible to tell which article in volume 16 is being cited. Fourth, no competent lawyer or legal scholar relies upon Am. Jur. 2d as the sole basis for a point of law; it’s always cited after citing three or four cases or law review articles on the same point of law. These are the kind of basics everyone learns in law school after their first assignment in Lawyering Skills comes back with red marks all over it despite their earnest best efforts.”.
I’m no lawyer so I don’t know hardly a thing about such technicalities as the correct format for a proper, cogent citation. I’m not in any way refuting the content. I just think that it’s important to our cause that we get everything near as right as possible. Maybe some of the AI’s legal scholars would like to set the record straight for us laymen.
Molon Labe
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Correct.
Good read. I love my K Rounds holsters. These guys make a great product.
I would say it is the duty and obligation of a citizen to disobey unconstitutional “laws.” Good to see that this noncompliance is creating consternation with the authorities in Connecticut. It will be interesting to see what they do about it.
OHH-OHHHHH-OOOOHHHHYEAAAAAHHH,BABY!!!
-Wait, button-Broached? Awwww, nevermind…
Everything Hitler did was legal. Did that make it right?
Civil disobedience anyone? Heard somewhere it works. Called history books.
As a 40 Plus year veteran of Law Enforcement, I have seen lots of ammo come and go. Super Vel HP, Black Talon, KTW, all touted as the Super Duper good stuff that we needed . While Liberty looks good in some tests and on paper try selling that to Law Enforcement at $1.15 cents per round? Remember we have to qualify with what we carry. My Glock 17 with two extra mags is 58 rounds of ammo or $60+ to fill my magazines and that’s not to say anything about practice and qualifications. I don’t see this ammo as any better than Gold Dot, Critical Defense, or the new Winchester PDX. The best bullet in the world in not effective unless you hit the vital area of you adversary. That means practice and that means shooting alot. The best bullet in the world won’t make up for pour marksmanship.
The more I hear from CT, the more I feel like Andrew Ryan’s quote from Bioshock is aptly appropriate: “A man chooses, a slave obeys.”
That QOTD only needed the “Would you kindly…” added in.
…And Rosa Parks should have gone to the back of the bus.
Except she didn’t.
TTAG’s 1911 bashing gets old. It alienates a part of the readership. Empowers some very ignorant trolls. And basically spread untruths in the face of the untold numbers of sevice priced, consistantly flawless 1911s that protect families, neighbors and bring fans to the shooting sports.
Another article that does a disservice to shooters and supporters.
It’s just plain ignorant.
I remember when you could count the various brands of AR15s on one hand, using 2 fingers. Now there are how many dozens of AR15 builders? If this thing had come out in 1990 it would have been a big deal, now its yawn time. It looks positively plebeian compared to a Stag.
Watch this if you have a few minutes.
http://youngcons.com/i-am-a-ukrainian-video-goes-viral-i-want-to-be-free-from-a-dictatorship/
They wish they had the rights we are freely giving up.
Shared and good point.
Leghorn did not average his ratings correctly… figure it out and average …….it comes out ****
4 stars. Now try to get used to a side charging handle; becasuse you are an AR guy…. Your biased.
People that are used to ravioli, and spaghettio’s in a can , may have a hard time chosing a better tasting homade ( red sauce) entree.
A better rating was for the 16 , shooting that poodle popper cartridge ( 5.56 was such a lackluster compromise )… It took a group of Military lunatics to chose it, and brainwash people ,about it for so long.
Sucks that these are now going for 100-150 more than they were a couple years ago and they are hard as hell to find locally. Still plan on getting one in G22 40S&W, just waiting for a good deal.
In my family, our pets were named after philosophers and astronomers. My father named me after a philosopher as well. I named my son after a philosopher. We like philosophies, logic, and reason, and we like to defend them with firearms.
Cool story, brosef!
I thought “Savage Uberti” would be a great boys name and you could call him “Bersa” for a nickname. For a girl the best female sounding name I can think of at this moment is “Hernia”.
no not a kid, but a dog… definitely.
“Winchester! drop the shoe now!”
“good boy Ruger.”
Heck no. We keep to a group of family names.
I think it’s tacky to name a child after a brand… including guns.
Notice how much of this knee jerk (emphasis on JERK) law stammering dan rushed thru fails to address ANY mental health issues. Criminals all lined up to regester their guns – didn’t they??? Why is it that when a drunk kills someone – we blame the drunk…. When a bomber explodes a device – we blame the bomber BUT when a gunman shoots someone – we blame the gun….?.
I’d have to discuss it with my wife Bushmaster.
That’s just not right!
That is awesome.
Well, my son is John, but depending on my mood I could tell people he was named for John Browning, or John Surtees, or John Glenn, etc. John Browning is, of course my favorite, but his middle name isn’t Moses.
a cable lock which you will immediately throw away
Hold on to your cable locks, boys and girls. The long ones make excellent blackjacks.
Hi-Point. Because it’s better than “OOPS!” or “Blanket”
“Non-cooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with the good” – Martin Luther King, Jr.
My kids first initials are AR and AK.
And my wife named ’em. Quite by accident, but I tell my wife she’s a closet gun-nut.
They’re testing the waters in CT and all of the gun control loving wannabe tyrants in the federal government are watching closely to see what they can get away with in the future.
Stay brave, CT gun owners, and stand up for your rights
Just noticed that the cop in the picture has multiple single stack
mags for a 1911. I’m left wondering why dirtbag pols can’t
figure out that everyone will do the same if/when rounds are
limited. My guess is limiting the number of magazines on can
have is next on the agenda.
congratulations to my favorite website. i first discovered you guys in late 2011 or early 2012. this is by far the site i check most often now.
I wanted to name my son Scorpion after Vz. 61 but it was vetoed by my bushmast.. I mean wife. Damn you Ralf!
its crazy how on feb 23, 2014 America is facing a different ammo shortage.
On behalf of me and my internet obsession, shannon watts, happy happy.
Woo Hoo…..Happy B-day TTAG……I raise my glass (Bacardi and ice) to you guys. The past few years I as many others, have been part of an exciting venue where we have been allowed to voice our opinions. We have seen great features and engaged comments, both pro and con. We have seen trolls and others try to hijack the columns on occasion, and we have seen changes in formats and rules that have not necessarily been popular with all. It is just a given that when rules are applied some shall feel slighted. I accept that pain is a part of the growth process and understand everyone cannot be pleased all the time. Here’s to the next year and those that follow-TTAG keeping the 2A Fire Alive…………..Bottoms Up!!!!! MOLON LABE
I named my son Uzi, it was an automatic response, he looked like a he was going to be a little pistol.
Where is the best place to buy the vepr12.
Following the repeal of prohibition, all the jailed brewers, distillers and drinkers weren’t immediately released, reimbursed or any other such niceties.
Violating a law, however reprehensible it might be, carries serious risk.
That the violators are in the right doesn’t mean that the whole situation isn’t guaranteed to get one hell of a lot uglier before it gets any better.
“Constitution State,” my pale, princely patoot.
Following the repeal of prohibition, all the jailed brewers, distillers and drinkers weren’t immediately released, reimbursed or any other such niceties.
I do not recall reading about any jailed brewers, distillers and drinkers.
Robert, have you heard anything from Mikey Numbers lately. He proved an amusing foil. Do you think that he may have found a new distraction? I haven’t checked his site in probably a year or more. Not that he or it matters mind you, just Sunday afternoon curiosity.
Here’s to another great year for TTAG, and many more to come! 😉
“The law’s constitutionality is a matter for the courts to determine, not the individual gun owner. In the meantime, he or she must obey the law or face the consequences of breaking it.”
^–Wasn’t the same sort of thing said in Nazi Germany before mass extermination happened? I’m just saying…
What are misegos?
Husago language: tightening of ones belt.
I’m glade my folks didn’t name me the same name as my father. I’d hate to go through life with Junior tacked on the end of my name.
“The Third” is even worse!
I guess I should be happy they didn’t name me after my mother!…………………Flossy!
I’m surprised that AG Martha (we discourage self help) Coakly hasn’t impaneled a grand jury to jack Granny up. Will wonders never cease? Of course, it’s the weekend so maybe Martha will get busy in the coming week.
Very cool; I wish you – and us – continued and increasing success.
I agree with the first two, and I agree with some of the ideas behind the third one. But I would flat-out refuse mandatory military service. I know plenty of veterans, and I have the utmost respect for our armed forces. But at this point, our young people in uniform (which is the vast majority of them) are just fodder for the military industrial complex, trading our once-good international standing and the lives of our young people for money.
A simpler solution (not a practical one with the bureaucratic nightmare that is our bloated government) would be to simply improve education. There is a direct and well-documented link between poverty and education, and it’s a viscous cycle. Impoverished areas have less money going towards the schools, which means poor education and high drop-out rate, which means the poverty continues, etc.
Improve the schools, and you’ll see a reduction in poverty (which is the largest driving factor behind crime), and (if combined with extensive community outreach programs and after-school programs) a reduction in kids joining gangs (another massive driver behind gun violence). Touching on the firearms aspect, gun safety and marksmanship should absolutely be part of the curriculum of public education.
Everyone should at least be able to render a gun inert (eject the magazine, remove the round in the chamber, etc), plus, that would return the normalization of firearms and significantly cut down on the irrational fear so many people have of them. In addition to that, I’ve never met a single person who doesn’t enjoy shooting. As such, it would be quite effective to tie shooting privileges to grades, giving kids another incentive to do well.
Call the police and don’t answer the door. Should this younger man called her bluff, things could have turned out bad. If he breaks down the door, be in a semi hidden defensive position and defend yourself. Answering the door to any unexpected persons is a bad move, and invites trouble. I am 6’4 255lbs and I don’t answer my door and invite in trouble.
Ummm, I always was under the impression that the inaccuracy of the AK in 7.62×39 was a combination of loose tolerances in the platform and shooting 99% cheap ammo. Nothing intrinsic to the round itself. One could make a .223 gun with loose tolerances and use cheapo steel ammo in it and get just as crappy of accuracy results. And one could make a x39 gun with tight tolerances and use well made ammo and get just as good of accuracy as the typical AR does. So how is it the round that’s inherently inaccurate?
As far as the AR now having equal reliability to the AK, therefore we can dump the AK altogether for the otherwise superior AR and therefore dump x39 for a round that works better in the AR (which would be logical if it were a correct fact)…you are TOTALLY missing what people are talking about when they talk about AK reliability. Yes, a modern AR is basically 100% reliable when maintained…but an AK is that reliable even after being opened up and filled with a fruitcake (yes, I say fruitcake specifically because I’ve seen it done). Don’t even try that with your AR…it won’t be pretty. I’ve made AR mags unusable just at a range day (a rough one, but still…). AK mags, on the other hand, can be used to pound in nails in the absence of a hammer, or used to bludgeon a water buffalo to death, and still go on ticking. An AK can be maintained indefinely with a shoelace, goat fat, and urine (that’s exactly how most of the middle east maintains theirs). Pee in your AR instead of cleaning it properly and then apply fat from your last meal to it instead of lube and see how long you can keep it running that way.
I have an AR (a medium/nice grade build) and an AK (cheapo romanian). If you told me to pack a bag, grab a gun, and go to war tomorrow, I’d absolutely choose my AR, it wouldn’t even be a question (and a good cleaning/lubing kit would be in the bag). It is superior in so many ways. However, if you told me that I was going to war tomorrow, but screw the bag packing, you get the rifle you’re holding and the clothes on your back and you’re gonna be dropped off in the middle of all of it with nothing else and we’ll come get you in 6 months…I’m gonna be running to that AK. They aren’t 2 rifles vying for a spot in 1 niche. They are 2 rifles for completely different purposes. The AR’s job is to do everything fantastically if treated well. The AK’s job is to do everything OK, even if it’s full of fruitcake and you pee on it every night.
The cable lock can go in the recycle bin, thank you very much.
Unfortunately, my sperm count has officially reached zero.
I live in the Peoples Republik of Massachussetts. I went with a Mossberg 590 8+1 (deadlier than an AR but perfectly legal in MA) with a surefire forearm, night sight bead, high vis follower, hougue 12 lop stock, limb saver 1″ recoil pad, high profile metal safety, and 6 rd stock holder (15 rds in total). All in less that $1000 (cheaper than a decent AR)
Ding, dong…
If CNN doesn’t offer Piers another job can’t he just be deported back to the UK?
See ya Piers!!! Hope you don’t have any trouble getting back to England!! I am sure you will be much happier there than you were here!! Sorry you couldn’t see us for the proud nation we were and will be again.
Don’t forget that he was hired BECAUSE he held the views he did and he could not be moved by facts and reason.
He bears the stamp of the network that hired him. CNN wants to take our rights if they can.
Be not surprised if Morgan’s replacement is as deaf to our unalienable rights as he was.
I’d toss me dear old mum to the piranhas for a Bizon in any caliber.
“…elitism is not popular on this side of the pond, no matter how self-righteous its proponent.”
Very prolific words that apply to our own home grown elitists. Americans will get tired of listening to them too. It will be just a matter of time. Come to think about it is hsppening through out the world like in Mexico and the Ukraine. That is why the elitists are working to disarm the world through the U.N. Here in America they are trying but even the states where they are requiring the honest citizens to turnnin their weapons is failing. The elitist are getting nervous and we will see more anti gun propaganda in the media.
Thank you for this extremely informative article.
Izhmash has stated severa times that they would export the PP-19 to the US as a 9mm Saiga model, with 16″ barrel, but nothing has come of it yet.
You guys even reported on it once: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/10/foghorn/coming-soon-from-izmash-saiga-9mm-carbine/