Home Quote of the Day Quote of the Day: Sen. Schumer Thinks Life in Plastic’s Not So... Quote of the Day Quote of the Day: Sen. Schumer Thinks Life in Plastic’s Not So Fantastic By Robert Farago - November 15, 2013 78 Facebook Twitter Pinterest WhatsApp Email “We are actively exploring all options to pass legislation that will eliminate the problem.” – Senator Charles Schumer, Undetectable guns a law enforcement challenge [via chron.com] [h/t M.R.] Post Views: 6 RELATED ARTICLESMORE FROM AUTHOR The ATF’s Arbitrary Regulation of Pistol Braces is an Intolerable State of Governance Gould: Benitez is Wrong, the Founders Never Wanted Citizen Militias to be Armed The Gun Rights Movement Is Far Bigger Than Any One Organization 78 COMMENTS How much better off we would all be if the voters of New York had elected this fool governor instead of sending him to the senate Reply I met him when he was the city council rep for my area about 25 years ago. Sleazeball then, sleazeball now. Reply Yeah, I also knew him when. Calling him a douchebag is an insult to douchebags. Reply While wrapping up law school in DC many years ago, I had the opportunity to witness him hit on about 10 different congressional interns at my local neighborhood bar. His level of skeeze was off the charts. So we need more legislation? Isn’t it already a crime to shoot someone who isn’t trying to harm you? Reply There is already a law against undetectable guns. A version got passed in 1988 with NRA support since there are no guns it applies to. Complete non-issue, just like all those pre-existing laws against murder, regardless whether by gun or other implement. Are Dems so scared of Obamacare in the 2014 elections that they’d rather dive onto the grenade of the 3rd rail? Reply And that law expired in 1998 and wasn’t reinstated for another 5 years. Oddly enough, there was no apocalypse in that 5 year timeframe. Reply Schumer has nothing to be worried about election wise. The reliably democratic voters of New York City will pull the lever for anything with a D) next to the name. Reply When you accept the job as a Congressman or Senator you are required to take the oath of office: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.” It would seem that Mr. Schummer has either not read and understood the document referred to, OR does not believe that he is required to “bear true faith and allegiance to same.” Either way, he has violated his oath of office and should be removed by recall. If he continues to push unconstitutional legislation in the meantime he should be tried for treason. Reply We being Bloomberg, et al. Right Chuck? Reply So their panties are in a bunch trying to make a gun illegal to prevent someone from doing something that’s already illegal with the gun. Where do they acquire this logic? I have never heard of a criminal saying “I was going to commit a crime but the tools I needed were illegal so I didn’t buy them. Oh how those devious politicians foil my plans” Reply Schumer and most politicians don’t care if there is any logic to what they do, nor if it actually accomplishes anything. In the minds of these political fools the only important thing is that they LOOK LIKE they’re doing SOMETHING. Whether or not it is effective doesn’t matter at all. And since quickly passing more laws is the only thing they really know how to do, that’s their answer to everything, even if the laws are just more redundancy. Anything to keep the body politic distracted from politicians ineffectiveness at doing anything effective and meaningful about truly important issues in order to better our society, like the violence that pervades the liberal bastions called “major metropolitan areas”. There are already so many Federal, State and Local laws on the books that we’re ALL vulnerable to arrest for SOMETHING should we come to the attention of The Law and they truly want to do us damage. With more and more laws being added daily, people just become complacent about them and resigned to ignoring them…sometimes at their peril. Reply Duh, Don’t you know, laws are laser beams directed from an outer space platform. Legislators, pick a target, in this case plastic guns, and then as plastic guns are manufactured, they are detected (still working on that) and melted by the laser. It’s a fantastic fool proof process. I don’t even know why we need police since we have LAWS that stop bad behavior. But I do like the insurance of double layer protection of making it illegal to do something illegal with something that is illegal. Reply Yes, just pass the law and eliminate the problem. Why only didn’t they think of that approach when trying to deal with narcotics? Wait… never mind. Reply I’m fucking sick of these people thinking they can just pass any law they want under the guise of “protecting” the people. Reply Me thinks Sen. Schumer is the problem. Reply +1 Please pass legislation to eliminate the problem of Schumer. Reply I had to LOL and spit out my coffee on this one. As if passing legislation will “eliminate” any problem. That’s the thing about statists, they see the solution as more regulation, more infringement, more control. They really have no idea how stupid they sound when they say things like this. They don’t even realize what they are slowly doing to the US. We are less and less free every year because these clowns insist that passing more laws is the answer. There are already so many laws on the books that I don’t even know about, I probably break half a dozen every day and don’t even realize it. But then that’s the way they want it. So when it’s convienient for them, they can jail you for one of their multitude of inane laws designed to “eliminate problems”. Funny he should use that term, or should I say ironic. Nez pas? Reply Reminds me of a quote from Atlas Shrugged: “Did you really think we want those laws observed? We want them to be broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against… We’re after power and we mean it… There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt.” Reply Very appropriate – thank you! I propose “Guilt Free Gun Owner” as a bumper sticker. Reply Y’know, except for not wanting to advertise my gun ownership for PERSEC purposes, I’d put that on my car. Maybe on a t-shirt. Wow. That is looking more and more true these days. Reply Tax and fine, tax and fine Reply This was how the Soviet KGB worked – bust someone for a trivial offense that could send him to the Gulag, then make him a snitch just to save his own hide. A foreigner once bravely asked Yuri Andropov if it was true that the KGB arrested innocent people. He replied, “Of course we arrest innocent people! If we only arrested the guilty, the innocent would have nothing to fear!!” Uh – just how many Federal statutes does each of us violate every single day? Reply How many do we break? Well, just yesterday a buddy called me to ask me whether, when he stopped at the post office on the way home from work yesterday, did he break federal law by having his gun(s) in his truck in the parking lot. He saw the “no guns on post office property” sign at the door, and he figured I’d know. I told him, “Congratulations, you’re now a federal felon, in spirit if not in fact.” Actually, Matt, it is not a federal law, but a Post Office regulation. Further, a federal district court recently ruled that the Post Office cannot ban firearms in its public parking lots, only inside its buildings. haven’t heard that any appeal has been taken (though it would not surprise me). Although this ruling is not binding on any other court, it is certainly persuasive authority. Technology has made it so the government is incapable of regulating all firearms and this fool thinks that criminals and terrorists who already ignore all his other laws will suddenly take heed of another. What’s he going to do, ban computers? Reply What’s he going to do, ban computers? Unfortunately, they won’t be that obvious. It will come in the form of tiered access to sites, web applications, etc. Much like, “sure, buy all the 9mm and 22lr guns you want, but have fun finding ammo with which to use them”. Reply You mean like they did to keep you from illegally downloading music! They were SO successful with that. Reply What do I want? A 3d plastic pistol prone to explosion or a 3d 1911 that appears to be no more unreliable than any other 1911. Tough choice to have to make. Reply Ha! Though I’m a recent 1911 owner, that made me spit out my proverbial coffee (tea). Reply Zing! Reply Yeah, but can you recycle it? Reply It’ll cycle 7 times. 8 if there’s a round in the chamber. When you’re ready to recycle just drop the empty mag and insert a fresh one. Reply Bonus points for the Barbie Girl reference! Reply I have to admit, I was quite amused that the satirical slant of that song was lost on so many people. Reply Interesting (to me) fact: Barbie Girl by Aqua is the first MP3 I ever heard, ever. It was sent to me by a friend over dial-up. It took nearly two minutes on my screaming fast 33.6k USRobotics modem. It was revolutionary because it was CD quality but only took up 10% of the space of a comparable .wav file. (Yes, I had music on my computer as 30-35MB .wav files at that point.) I may actually still have that file on a currently not-hooked-up computer. Reply I’m familiar with the MP5, but what’s an MP3? 🙂 It’s an item produced through a rather arcane, expensive process by which two MP5s are added and then an MP7 is extracted from the result, leaving the MP3 as the remainder. It will be interesting to see if they try to somehow make ‘homemade’ firearms illegal. THAT is what I would be concerned about. Backdoor 80% lower ban? Also, given the wording in the article, I would be concerned about it being a ban on polymer or carbon-fiber lowers (and uppers). Including the Bushmaster CAR-15. (I know some don’t trust that anyway, but) Reply That’s kind of what I’m worried about to. I did the 80% route on an AR-15, and its all fine and good, but sometimes the lack of a serial number brings stress. I don’t want to be in the unenviable position of explaining to the lowest common denominator of law enforcement why my “assault rifle ain’t got no serial?!” Reply If you want or need a serial number on a 80% build, you can etch it or stamp it on there. I suspect having someone etch an uncompleted lower with the first part of the serial you want, leaving you room to finish it would be legal. I think. Reply Either engrave it before or after its completed, it doesn’t matter. Companies like Orion Arms and Ident Marking derive most of their business from just engraving NFA and 80% firearms. Very much my concern too. As a machinist who’s been able to make guns all along (just no time), these 3d print jerks are focusing a white hot ray of govt attention right where I do not want it. I really don’t know which approach is better for us in the long run, but I know everyone S’ingTFU about self made weapons would be ideal for me right now. Reply Watch him soil himself when he finds out that any middle schooler can make a gun with a piece of tubing, a piece of wood, a rubber band, and a nail. Back in the day they were called “zip guns.” Reply A law banning the election of politicians would go far in solving much of America’s problems. Reply So, we need a strong arm dictator or a king? I volunteer for the job. Reply A law banning the (re)election of politicians would go far in solving much of America’s problems. Fixed… Reply Chuckie is always in the running for “Moron of the Senate” award. Crowded field though. Reply Reporter at press conference: “Senator Schumer, since you can’t prevent the production of these one shot wonders without banning computers and 3D printers, is this just a publicity stunt, or are you truly that stupid to think you can?” Reply Can we print out somebody who gives a flying f-ck for the good senator? Reply Yeah, because a guy SO bent on killing someone that he’s willing to take his life in his hands by making a plastic gun that may explode in his hand and risk life in prison sneaking it through a security checkpoint will certainly be stopped by an obscure firearms manufacturing law he probably isn’t even aware of… Reply When will these narrow-minded politicians realize that the ONE tool they have at their disposal (passing legislation) isn’t applicable to every “problem”? It takes a pretty staggering lack of awareness and abundance of arrogance to assume that yours are the category of person who can address every feature of complex society. Reply The recipe calls for equal parts of arrogance and stupid with just a dash of evil to taste. Reply They’ll never let the fact that a law won’t work get in the way of writing it, will they? Reply Hasn’t stopped them yet. Probably never will. Reply I would like someone to explain to me just exactly what “the problem” is. Because I’m not seeing it. Reply Yup. Another solution in search of a problem. But of course Chuckles’ “problem” is the lack of control. Reply The PROBLEM is that people can make UNREGISTERED guns in their own homes AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP THEM! (Ignoring of course that people have been doing this for hundreds of years without computers or 3D printers.) Reply They want to infringe on the people’s right to keep and bear arms. So they restrict the sale, transfer, use of these items. Then it becomes cost effective/appealing for people to make them themselves. To do this people use mills, lathes, 3D printers, computers, machines. People share information, schematics. So they must place restrictions on the free communication of knowledge, they must restrict knowledge and speech. They must also place restrictions on the means of production. If these people where rightists they’d not be bothering and if they were leftists they’d believe that the means of production belong to the people. They are neither, they are tyrants. Reply Good point. Reply They’re going to draft a law to license and regulate 3D printers. You will have to take a government-approved course, get a license (which will have to be renewed annually, for no small fee) and the devices will only be available from a select group of manufacturers at very high cost. Building a 3D printer at home will be made illegal and manufacturing technology will be set back 50 years. Reply But think of the children! Reply Think of the children? That’s silly. You can’t print children. Sometimes I worry about you. Reply Has anyone actually even checked to see if the gun would be undetectable or not? That’s a serious inquiry. Considering there is a nail for a firing pin and presumably ammunition to be used, shouldn’t someone actually see if it can be detected before millions of dollars and thousands of man hours are spent on this non-issue? Considering the potential for legislation taking a steaming dump on a huge emerging industry before it even gets started, we should probably do some research. Reply Last time I checked, magnetometers (like those used at airports) can detect non-ferrous metals, including brass. Reply Last time I, uh, ‘checked’, airport metal detectors had no problem picking up the stray empty brass that wound up in a carry-on bag’s pocket from a range trip. Reply Since when has wasting someone else’s money ever stopped government from going forward full tilt. Reply People can buy guns w/o a background check online or at a gunshow. Why would they spent thousands on a 3d printer to make a plastic pos? Reply Old Chuck must be awfully stupid if he thinks this genie can be shoved back in the bottle. Let’s see, he can’t ban 3d printers, can’t ban the internet, and try as he might, can’t ban the data files for 3d guns as they have already been saved to untold thousands of computers, just as will happen with any future models. They’ll just try to pass another meaningless law to make Bloomberg and Watts feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Reply I could see a printer being used to make an effective .22 silencer on a form 1. Reply Defense Distributed already has an app for that. Reply a true genius!! Law really do get rid of problems! Who would of thought?? Reply I hope that whatever substance is giving this guy C-cup b*tch t*ts is going to leak into his bloodstream soon and put him out of our misery Reply Yeah Chuckie, let’s outlaw the Internet. Moron. Reply Even if they manage to outlaw the Internet (and they will keep trying to control it, even if they can’t outlaw it), the plans have already been distributed worldwide. (That whole WorldWideWeb thing.) Without the Internet they would next have to figure out how to outlaw flash drives or even those miniature SD drives. In my cell phone I have one smaller than my pinky fingernail that holds 8GB. Pretty sure their Liberator and other plans aren’t that big. Reply “We are actively exploring all options to pass legislation that will eliminate the problem.” And come next November the people who lost their health insurance will explore ways to eliminate this problem too. Reply Looks like Chuckles didn’t get the message: outlawing has been outlawed. Reply LEAVE A REPLY Cancel reply Please enter your comment! Please enter your name here You have entered an incorrect email address! 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