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National Education Association Vice President Lily Eskelsen Garcia (courtesy

“I’m not an ordained minister, I’m not a theologian, but these guys are going to hell.” –  National Education Association Vice President Lily Eskelsen Garcia quoted in Netroots Nation features a call to action on gun control [via]

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  1. Well Dip $#!+ you want to see LIFE IN THE GUN FREE ZONE go live in Chicago
    or Washing DC.
    Pre WWII Germany, Poland, or any other place where there is NO 2nd AMENDMENT.
    “When all the Guns are Outlawed, only Outlaw’s will have guns”
    When a Bad guy breaks in to your home call 911 so they can do a proper report of the KILLING.

  2. Glaze rejected the gun-lobby argument that violent movie and video-game images are a leading cause of gun violence; the United Kingdom watches the same films and plays the same games, yet has only a fraction of the gun crimes because it places stricter controls on guns, he said.

    Hasn’t this statemnet already been debunked a thousand times now?

    • Britain’s non-firearm murder rate is lower than our non-firearm murder rate as well. Guns aren’t the problem, poverty and other socioeconomic factors are.

      • The poverty causes crime theory really isn’t the winner. During down economic times in the US (dating back to the Depression) the increase in # of “poor” has not correlated to increase in crime rate.

        Crime rates are related to the values of a particular community.

  3. *GASP* She mentioned religion! In public! She has no place in forming curiculum with that type of religion-mentioning proclivitity! She must be banished from education, before she makes a passing reference in front of a child!

  4. I saw this on Google news yesterday. Follow the link and try to read the original article. I said try. This crew has left reality so far behind that their website comes across as a parody. Someone needs to tell them that they will never be effective at communicating if they keep making up new meanings for perfectly good words.

  5. Many liberal progressives have rejected and no longer follow any religion but somehow they believe there is a Hell? How does that work?

    • Hell is a place reserved for gun owners exclusively. He forgives all the other… well, you know… and opens Heaven’s gate wide for them.

      She said as much.

  6. TO: All
    RE: She’s Not Even a Real Christian

    I’m not an ordained minister, I’m not a theologian, but these guys are going to hell. — Lily Eskelsen Garcia

    Or at the least not very good at it.


    Because, as it is written….

    But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) — Romans 10:6-7

    It is not part of our ‘job description’ to judge. [NOTE: And this is the judgment we were warned against. The ULTIMATE JUDGMENT.] That is His province.


    P.S. She looks like a witch in that hat…..

    • Or better yet:

      That which enters ones mouth does not defile him, but that which issues forth from it…”

    • There are no witches in Dr. Seuss’ world. Only grinches. If the hat fits, wear it.

    • Luke 22:36
      He (Jesus) said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

  7. What else would you expect? Over half of teachers in the US were in the bottom 1/3 of their class in college. We’re not exactly talking the best and brightest here.

  8. Not surprising in the least. The official teacher’s organizations are grotesquely leftist.

    • They have to be leftist. It provides the only narrative which says you should get paid what you want, not what you’re worth in the market. I’m all for paying teachers more, provided they show up with more valuable brains on the first day they report for work.

  9. I couldn’t agree more; the grabbers ARE going to Hell – or creating Hell, at any rate – and they’re tryin’ to take us along for the ride.

  10. What an idiot.

    Sigh, another teacher disgracing the education profession with ridiculous pronouncements…

  11. The word in the article that stood out to me was, “Indifferent”?

    No one is “indifferent” to gun violence. We simply disagree on on how to protect children. The gun-banners prefer a naive approach that believes if we disarm people who obey laws then the criminals won’t have guns. I prefer an approach that says whenever we gather precious children into large groups then we have a moral obligation to actively protect them from the evil that wishes them harm.

    Who is the “Gun Lobby”? I am, along with every other regular citizen who demanded their representatives uphold liberty as found in the Bill of Rights.

    Then of course, later in the article, Britain comes up. I hate to break it to you but Britain has a much higher rate of violent crime than America does. Their “gun” crime might be lower but it is more than made up for in knife-crime, blunt-object crime, fist-crime, and every other form of violence. They also have much higher rates of sexual assault because it is illegal for the weak to defend themselves from the strong. They have a real “war on women”.

  12. Well, I am an ordained minister and have my Doctorate of Divinity. I can say with certain authority that she is mistaken.

  13. Ms. Garcia, if you truly are an educator, then educate yourself. Order my new book, “A Time To kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism” off my website or Amazon. You’ll find that God not only allows, but commands us to use lawful force to help those in danger. However, my experience as a teacher tells me that you NEA types will NEVER allow facts to interrupt your Marxist fantasies.

  14. Its more than guns. The education system is probably one of, if not the, most important battle front in winning back America.

  15. A woman in a Government speaking in biblical terms (gasp) ; A woman that probably supports abortion(aka) the murder of unborn children and wants to disarm those human beings that weren’t “aborted” in the womb so they can’t defend themselves effectively from human predators intent on injuring or aborting them now that they are adults.

    Whether this woman is speaking about the right group that is going to hell; only G-d can say, I CAN say that Satan is laughing in delight at how many are following him, especially those in positions of power.

  16. I cannot fathom why these so-called Educators are so willfully blind to the reality of Safety for our Children while punishing children for “finger guns”. “pop-tart guns”, wearing NRA Supportive T-shirts and any other harmless behavior that even appears gun-related. I pray everyday that whatever has kept the terrorists from attacking a Public School thus far stays strong and continues to deter them, but there are still far too many Schools wide open to such an attack and too many just plain stupid idiots (like this woman) in charge of the Schools.

    • School shootings are solely because of gun owners. Get rid of gun owners, and there’ll be no more guns. Or violence. Or something to that effect.

  17. @John F

    “you want to see LIFE IN THE GUN FREE ZONE go live in Chicago”

    Chicago IS NOT the gun free zone! I don’t know why you keep saying this. Chicago is like a house with two parents that may try to have good rules and do what they can, but it’s like you’ve got this single house sitting on a whole block where there’s anarchy. More than 15,000 of the guns traced by the police came from just outside the city limits in Cook County and in neighboring towns that permit gun stores:

    • Oh, Chicago’s problem is OTHER people’s fault.

      Why don’t the areas outside the city limits where the guns came have Chicago’s crime problem, hmmmmm????

  18. The NEA? Nobody hates children more than the NEA. In any civilized society, NEA leaders would be put up against a wall and made to read their own bullsh1t textbooks until they died from terminal ignorance.

    • The NEA is laboring under the delusion that throwing money at problems will eventually solve them. Like, oh… the Drug War, for instance. And other horrors too numerous to mention here.

      • The NEA is a Marxist labor union – Only mission is to extract wealth from the employer.

  19. How does that expression go?: “if you can’t succeed in the business or scientific world then go teach”.

  20. “Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach; those who can’t teach, teach gym.” I’m surprised she’s not a gym teacher.

  21. @Mister Fleas

    “Why don’t the areas outside the city limits where the guns came have Chicago’s crime problem, hmmmmm????”

    You are twisting the subject again like usual. If there were no guns in Chicago, the city would be significantly safer and enjoy much less crime. You can look up the figures if you don’t believe it. London – almost no gun-related homicides, because there are no NO guns around.

    • Maybe not… but knife crime, club crime, etc has risen dramatically in its stead. The UK denied them a tool, so they chose another to replace it… and kept up their acts of violent crime, knowing the average Joe was unarmed and therefore wouldn’t do much, if anything to stop them.

      In a federally funded museum in Arkansas, on the site of a frontier fort, Fort Smith, one of the prerecorded verbal guide remarks is about how back in that era, when the average Joe was packing, the bad guy had to choose his target carefully. There is no need to choose a target carefully if all targets can be deemed unarmed and a safe target. Before you denounce such a statement from a federally backed museum as being bogus, don’t you think they review such things before putting them in use for accuracy and unsupported opinions? Better yet, show up there and take the tour and hear it yourself. It’s FREE/GRATIS to take the tour.

      • “The UK denied them a tool”

        The way this is written, it reads as saying the UK banned knives. They’re considering it (because banning things cannot POSSIBLY be the wrong approach – quick fixes always work, of course, but when they don’t simply ban more things).

        You didn’t mean to say that, obviously. Just sayin’.

        • LOL… it was aimed at firearms… not knives, clubs, etc. But you are right, they are trying to ban knives now.

    • @kawador I have looked up the numbers and they show you are a liar. I have to wonder if you have looked into the numbers yourself. If you have looked into them then you would know everything you believe in is a pure BS. Here are those numbers you advised to look into.

      From the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime website, US vs UK in terms of violent crime (each number is incidents per 100,000 of population, statistics for 2010, most recent available year):

      US: 250.9
      UK: 664.4

      Robbery (forcible taking of property, including home invasions):
      US: 115.3
      UK: 137.9

      Burglary (theft of property from a home not involving force):
      US: 695.9
      UK: 946.1

      Theft (theft of non-motor vehicle property outside the home not involving force):
      US: 1,993
      UK: 2,574.5 [!!]

      Conclusion: The UK, with its gun confiscation and virtual outlawing of self-defense, is a much, much more dangerous place than the US. In fact it was recently named the most violent place in Europe. It appears we are right about Chicago and gun control after all. You may now go cry in your pillow.

  22. Luke 22:36
    He (Jesus) said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

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