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A AR-15 is no more dangerous than any other firearm, why would the background check be any longer?
Like Hell it isn’t! My Mosin never once pinched my finger!
Yes. And why does how LONG a background check takes factor into it’s accuracy and thoroughness? This is stupid as all get-out. In the age of computers that can analyze data at a breakneck speed, why shouldn’t a background check only take seconds? It’s not like the Pony Express is needed to take the request to the State Police who send it by Carrier Pigeon from there…
He must think the computer database has to be extra careful when a weapon of mass destruction is purchased.
You have to check the box marked “assault weapon” on the VA form.
Question #1. Are you the actual buyer/transferee of the firearms listed on this form? Yes? No?
Thanks.
Yep. Felony committal level = 10
Selective prosecution. Just ask the talking head with the “hi-cap” magazine.
The instructions on the 4473 state that a person can use their own money to buy a firearm as a gift for someone else and they are still considered the buyer/transferee of the the firearm.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf
Page 4, 11a explanation.
Sorry, I wanted it to be true, but facts show otherwise.
Federal HST in any caliber for carry ammo.
Hornady Vintage Match for my WWII era guns.
Wish list? 9mm, 8mm, 6.8SPC, 7.5 Swiss, 7.62x54R, .30-06, and .22LR. What happened to all the darn .22?
You can never have enough ammo, but you can’t keep it all in the house without cracking the floorboards.
What a waste of money. Did common sense go out the window? So he bought it under false pretenses, at least sell it back or cancel the sale so someone else can obtain the gun for their needs. This guy is more than just a loudmouth who is taking advantage of his wife’s situation.
It’s a straw purchase only when the other guy does it.
One word. Liar! Got your hands caught in the cookie jar Mr. Gabby Giffords. Do we know which store this was and if so can we petition them not to give Mr. Gabby his Impulse buy AR 15 so that they are not a puppet in his gun grabbing money making scheme. Can we find out if he bought the guns with his gun control organizations money? If so all those gun grabbers “Americans for responsible solutions” also bought one of them dangerous assault rifles.
He bought an AR and plans to turn it over to the police when he gets possession? He has too much money. “Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet.” When’s the last time he went to a gun show or bought a firearm over the internet without having a background check? Better yet, when was his first time?
He has too much money and apparently doesn’t realize that the police have actual crimes to worry about, they’re not just sitting around in the police station waiting for this crusader to turn in his guns.
No, Mr. Gabby isn’t trying to ban assault weapons one at a time by using his own cash. He simply got caught buying something he desired, however hypocritically, and now he’s backing away from it faster than a cat covering up s***.
Well, if people want to buy up all the ARs, AKs, AUGs et cetera and give ’em to the State, the State’ll have a lot of toys, the “responsible” people will be poor and manufacturers’ll clean up.
It’s a whole new market… people buying firearms for the PD just as fast as they can be made. >;{>
well, you pay taxes, and then they buy tanks, armor, mp5’s etc. it’s similar.
So let’s see, he bought the AR, got a NICS check, which he passed because he’s not a criminal or a terrorist, and that’s evidence the system is broken? Come again?
I guess he’d call it good when anyone who buys a gun is subjected to as much hassle and delay as possible. I’m sorry about his wife, but he’s still a jerkoff.
I am sure the ATF will be investigating. Is it illegal to make a straw purchase isn’t it?
He committed the same crime he claims to want to stop in addition to getting these guns of the street?
He needs to man up and just come out and say, that it is not the machine, but the man who makes the decisions to commit a crime. So as a law abiding citizen, I can buy these guns. Everything I had said until know is just crap..
Something tells me he got hooked on the AR’s and others while “researching” the “assault weapons” issue. I bet he is on AR15.com and other forums. Check the newbie intro’s see who is new from Arizona in your forums.
I call shenanigans…. why would you buy the AR-15 and then just turn it over to the police? Don’t the police already have all the Ar-15’s they need?
AND!
There is no Private Seller Loophole! The Government can not, and should not ever be able to, regulate commerce between two individuals.
.9mm luger
.45 ACP
.223/556
.22LR
“You can’t have enough ammo because…because these IPSC/USPSA/IDPA targets aren’t going to shoot themselves”
Did anybody ask the Tucson Police if they wanted his AR?
I’m saving up for a gun buyback program, I’m going to sit outside their buyback area and offer $100 for each firearm ( my county is planning to only give $50 in gift cards for each weapon ) so if “tons of people” sell their guns like the liberals are predicting I may have 10 new guns when or if my country ever decides to have a gun buyback.
I wish for once the liberal media would go talk to some CRIMINALS and see what THEY think about background checks. If you think it’s easy to get a gun legally, how easy is it to get an ILLEGAL gun. Then ask them, when legal gun owners have been stripped of their rights and there are no more legal guns, do the criminals just say “Wow – guess I need to start working at Burger King now”. My guess is they’ll probably not change professions, and instead of buying guns stolen from legal owners, they will need to get guns from the only legal gun owners that are left; the police.
Of course, that will never happen because it does not fir the liberal agenda and their need to construct what they think is a “perfect” society.
New York State Consolidated Laws
Section 74 of the Public Officers’ Law.
d). No officer or employee of a state agency, member of the
legislature or legislative employee should use or attempt to use his
official position to secure unwarranted privileges or exemptions for
himself or others.
Any questions?
this is my surprised face.
+1
Are you active duty Phil, or retired?
How did I put it in my comment? “Lying, misrepresented, or fictional”, I think. I believe this falls under “misrepresented”.
So let me get this straight…he had a problem being able to go in and quickly fill out the 4473 and pass a background check…so he wants people to have to pass a background check to get the rifle like he did? If the background checks are too quick and easy, why does he want everyone to have to go through one? The idea of background checks are not what is off putting to gun owners…it’s the idea that a record will be kept by the government of what we privately own when it’s none of their business.
They can’t even properly identify the “extreme” position of pro-gun people: a total elimination of gun laws. They are claiming the “extreme” pro-gun position is where we’re at now, which of course was the extreme anti-gun position of the 1960s.
…and Barry Bonds just used the juice to show how much of an advantage it was to all of the other players. Riiiight.
Once again, the New York Times lying and using misinformation to push an agenda….nobody is surprised….Mark Kelly is probably taking notes for his next deception. Sadly, the libtard lap dogs and polls will eat that sh!t up without questioning a single word in the article.
But, when gun owners go on the attack with actual facts or Mr. Colin Nior makes a statement, we are racists, loons, crazy, and I could go on and on.
I find it laughable that the supposed “intellectual elite” that read the NYT take it all at face value without question but still call themselves superior intellects to gun owners.
I remember seeing how these types should be treated at the beginning of a movie some time ago….
http://blogallalong.com/images/pirates_be_warned.jpg
Liberal/progressive/socialist/communist/marxist=self-loathing, self-hating, self-contempt.
This explains the support of a belief system that denies the rights of personal freedom, private property and self defense and gives that up to some amorphous collective good.
This is why they go nuts at the killing of baby seals but applaud the “right” to murder an unbirn child, this why they support the destruction of the livelihoods of whole communities to protect the spotted owl.
These people hate themselves and all human beings, how else could they support the armed guards at a bank but enforce by law that our children are forced naked into the lions den to killed freely by human predators in “gun free”.
These people have a culture ot degredation, tyranny and death, aculture completly hostile to children, families and human life itself.
This might be a stupid question, but I’ve never tried out a weapon light before. How do you see your sights when the light is in front of them? I’ve used lasers but when it comes to lights I always figured you wanted a separate light so you could hold your gun out and light the sights and the target at the same time. Am I missing something?
People who keep guns for personal defense would be retarded to keep the guns and ammunition in two separate locations. That would be more of a psychological security blanket. Thats like saying cops keep their guns on their sides but bullets in their patrol cars. Also saying I own a gun but hate all guns is like saying, I own cats for personal comfort and pleasure but I hate cats and wish all cats were dead. This is so damn retarded its hard to believe someone wrote this article with a straight face.
My thought on these polls is a great big “so what?”. Even if these polls revealed true numbers (which I highly doubt), so what? If the majority of people decide not to exercise their rights, does the right go away? I think not. If the majority of people decide to not arm themselves that is their choice. Personally I’d rather be the Lemming that didn’t jump than to just join in with the crowd because the polls said everyone else was doing it.
PS. I don’t respond to polls. This poll would only be meaningful if YES, NO, and REFUSES TO ANSWER were all tallied.
Dude is an asshole, but I don’t really have a problem with him keeping junk science out of School
I’ve heard this school of thought before and for the most part agree with it. My eyes are still young and my night time vision is aided by ambient light in all the environments I’m in regularly. It isn’t the answer for everyone but I prefer to operate without a light, keeping my response as simple as possible to a threat.
I do have support hand operated lights for rifle and shotgun, however, as it is a much more intuitive operation. It comes back down to training with YOUR system and making it intuitive for you.
I shoot at a local club here in west TN. Super fun day. They shoot 12 months out of the year, rain/snow/sleet/hail/blistering heat. Good group.
I keep a light on my home defense gun. If I hear a thump in the night, I want to be able to differentiate a robber from a roommate.
Always thought that a pistol light was like advertising. Kind of a “Here I Am, Oh Shoot Me Now” sign.
This article actually makes perfect sense to me. These people are elitists in every sense of the word. They believe that they have the maturity, knowledge self discipline to own a firearm, but you slack-jawed, knuckle-dragging plebians out there in red-state ‘merica don’t.
They also favor more restrictive gun laws to keep guns out of the hands of lowbrow “undesirables” and because they are close enough to the levers of power to know (or to believe, rightly or wrongly) that said laws will never be applied to them.
I’m a fan, as long as they’re used correctly. Having a pistol mounted light gives you the option to use your non-gun hand for other activities while still maintaining situational awareness. I generally carry both a pistol with a WML and a hand held light.
I was a day late to the party, but taking my lady’s son to the range (with the requisite release forms and abundance of safety gear of course) was an absolute BLAST. He’s 14, and has jumped aboard the firearms enthusiast bandwagon headfirst. We spent probably 6 hours shredding paper/PVC targets and pinging steel with everything from a little Mossberg 22, all the way up to my 12g, 1911 and AR. The kid LOVED it, and several times put all 10 shots from my Kommiefornia mags on a 12″ steel plate out at 100 yards! Its obvious that he’s a natural shooter, and I don’t see him slowing down any time soon. I may have only converted one person so far, but I converted the hell out of him! I’ve never had so much fun turning $300 into smoke, noise and PINGS!
First they do it to the dopers:
http://classicalvalues.com/2013/03/federal-agent-comandeers-local-law-enforcement/
You can’t have enough ammo because its pretty hard to shoot without it.
My list includes.
Hornady, Federal, or Fiocchi if possible in the following calibers
.40S&W
9mm Luger
.223 Rem
.17 HMR
.22 LR
and 12 ga 2 3/4 in 00 buck rifled slugs and target loads.
Most of the comments go to the “bump in the night” scenario. Which is understandable, as I do not see it on a daily carry piece.
I wonder how many have ever considered just how disoriented they are likely to be if awakened from a dead sleep in the middle of the night? Happened here recently (house alarm went off — it was a false alarm, but that’s another story) and I pretty much beclowned myself groping around. Since I keep lights on throughout the house (kitchen light stays on all the time, the rest are night lights that come on only after dark), I wasn’t really groping in the dark. I was just very disoriented, for at least 30-45 seconds. Not sure what to do about that. But given the non-negligible probability that somebody innocent is just as likely to be in the path of my light as I sort things out, I’m doubly on board those who think it is not a good idea to be pointing the muzzle of my XDM at them at the same time.
I keep an extremely powerful Cree technology flashlight next to the XDM on the dresser (hoping, I suppose, to blind anyone I shine it on). It goes in my left hand, (ice pick hold) the XDM in the right. And the right hand hangs down, not pointing at anything but the floor (and finger out of the trigger guard), until I’m certain there is something I want to point it at. When that time comes, I either cross the left hand for support under the right as I aim and fire, or I drop the light and go to a two handed grip. Never having had to make the latter decision, I don’t know which I’d do. Whatever come naturally, I suppose.
You can use it a flower pot. Just rest the gun on its butt and stick a few daisy stems down the barrel.
Cat Toy (laser sight)
You clowns think you’re experts eh? Thor writes rather well, keeps his measurements and specs handy for people who read his series, but can’t always keep the continuity. All top thriller series of this genre do. Maybe contain your bad book reviews to subject matter you ‘actually know and understand’. I for one favor Thor’s novels quite well, as his ‘faction’ works have accurately predicted a lot of political and terrorist activities years before they happen. He and Vince Flynn are in a league of their own. (You might want to look up some history.) As to Thor and Larue’s relationship, they are now good friends, first introduced by top ex-military operatives who now work in the private sectory. I know for a fact Brad Thor tries out and tests such weaponry himself, and is very skilled with the firepower he relates in his novels. I’d put his advice over this scowling nonsense any day.
I’d rather donate to TTAG. When is that gonna be an option?
Also the Police Officers Safety Association is kind of a funny name.
Were the names below already taken or something?
Police, Stop Resisting Association
Police, Show Me Some ID Association
Police Burners Deployed Association
When confronted by superior numbers, an experienced gunfighter will always fire on the best shot first. Yeah, Little Bill told me that. And you probably killed him first, didn’t you?
Are these videos intended to be real? Jay Leno is probably just as knowledgeable on ‘gunfighting’, and at least he’s Supposed to be funny.
I just did a person to person transfer in PA at the local LGS. We went through the process at the state and federal level. We both had no issues with that. So, what is the problem. All persons should be checked to see if they are legally allowed to own any gun. I would not want to do a person to person transfer to some gang banger or racial supremacist person that would later use it in a drive-by or some stupid killing.
They mean to subdue us. Those who resist, they mean to have killed.
Campus carry failed two years ago…but maybe with all the nationwide BS…it will pass just to show that you don’t mess with Texas.