“Certainly people have a right to defend themselves in their home but they do not have a right to make it a free-fire zone, and the chief, or his spokesperson, should never put that in the minds of people. We must operate not on the basis of fear but on the basis of understanding and how we as a community can come together to stop the violence.” – Ron Scott of the Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality, quoted in Homeowners using deadly force against intruders: Has it gone too far? [via myfoxdetroit.com]
My feeling on Detroit is that this was a “war” waiting to happen, especially considering the failures of the PD to stop a lot of these murders. And I still side with the Chief: they can’t help them fast enough and it’s easier for everyone to just arm themselves and have the cop bag and tag. It’s what will happen anyway by the time the cops arrive in many situation anyway, but it’s better it’s the assailant lying on ground then the homeowners or their children.
Violent and dangerous people do not give two sh*ts about how you and your “community come together” or whatever BS you think is going to work.
Sociopath: Antisocial personality disorder in which a person has a long‑term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others.
Sociopaths don’t care about you and your community, you’re cattle to them.
so…. what is the definition of someone that is “social with a personality disorder in which a person has a long‑term pattern of manipulating, exploiting, or violating the rights of others.” because apparently nearly every politician and coalition leader fits that definition.
Evil.
Despot, maybe.
Actually, criminals LOVE it when “the community comes together” because it means: 1) That they aren’t at home and their valuables are unprotected, 2) That they’re all gathered together into one big target, and/or 3) That they get to lead the “good people of the community” in a lynch mob against someone unpopular.
I don’t know Ron Scott from Adam, and I don’t know his real motivations here, but from my read of that statement as presented, it sure looks to me like he is upset that thugs are not getting away with their thuggery.
Has self defense from low-life thugs gone too far? You’ve got to be kidding me even asking that question.
Here’s tip, Mr. Scott: No. So long as there is one single a-hole willing to hurt another human being for their own greed, profit, joy or impulse, self defense has not gone far enough.
The folks you are ‘defending’ by making this statement should live in abject fear that the next person they try to victimize, at home or anywhere else, will kill them. That’s the price they pay for being thugs.
Motivation is simple. Self-defense is self reliance. Detroit has a long history of the people needing to be dependent on the government. This is a huge step away from that.
People like Mr. Scott here seem to view gangsters and criminals as wayward children who can still be saved through love. In most cases, they’re already gone by now. It’s too late for that.
Maybe he should focus instead on making sure that the black family unit stays intact, so that another generation of thugs isn’t being born and bred as we speak.
Detroit is the result of decades of black Democrat/BlackPanther/communist rule. This is the template Obama wants nationwide.
Any ghetto based organization with the name “Coalition to Stop Police Brutality” is a gang led front. In most big cities run by Democrats (that would be pretty much all of them) the gangs are an integral part of the machine. Their function is to keep the African-American population on the plantation. If the people start fighting back the gangs will lose power and so will the machines. Therefore it is natural for “community organizers” to oppose citizen armed self defense.
So, if 10% of the NRA Houston attendees showed up at Cliven Bundys ranch, the 200 BLM brownshirt goons would find themselves overwhelmed by 7700 armed patriots. Encircle, overwhelm.
Just a thought.
Interesting compilation of stats and guns. Thank you. So roughly speaking 3 out of 100 people (3 percent) will die of homicide by guns and 6 out of 100 people (6%) will die of suicide by guns annually. Yes, unintentional deaths by guns are trivial. In 2001, roughly 3000 people died in the 9-11 twin tower debacle, or 0.01 percent of the US population at that time, leading to the decade long trillion dollar war on terror. Annual deaths by suicides and homicides are ten times the number who died on 9-11. Annual deaths by heart disease are about 600,000/year. We are one screwed up country, with respect to our priorities, gun control or no gun control.
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A Rancher TELLS ALL:
B Hunt wrote:
I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy’s ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven’s son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.
The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy’s signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale (‘R’ Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy’s signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to “private” buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).
From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water–through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers–from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).
Now, for Cliven Bundy, he’s not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)
Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance. More Here:
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ignore Ron Scott. He is a community organizer/agitator. Any police shooting is a bad one to him, even if the little angel is on video firing an uzi at the po-po.
The lead sentence of the MyFoxDetroit.com article:
DETROIT (WJBK) – In recent months more Detroit homeowners have taken matters into their own hands, shooting suspected intruders on-site and, in some cases, killing them.
Ummmm… where else would they shoot them? OFF-SITE??
Oy…. and these are JOURNALISTS, whose stock-and-trade is the English language (grammar and spelling).
And why would they be ‘suspected’ intruders if they were shot ‘on site’?
It might make sense to club him, drag him out back and shoot him there. Having some thug bleed out in your living room makes an awful mess.
What do they propose homeowners use instead of deadly force…harsh language?
Hugs and empathy.
The same unicorn flatulence they think solves every other problem.
this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxHhBx1FtLQ
It all fine and dandy to “want” everyone to be warm and fuzzy to each other, but Detroit is long past everyone “coming together”. Police are undermanned, and pretty much inneffective now anyways, so what other choice is there? Arm yourself, be vigilant, and defend your home and family.
The sad thing is, real Detroit is shittier than the Detroit in the original Robocop movie.
Real Detroit makes Robocop Detroit look like a Potemkin Village.
If the intruders don’t want to get shot, don’t intrude. The homeowners aren’t going to the bad guys flop and executing them.
The bad guys are coming to the homeowners and demanding to be shot. I call it assisted suicide. Homeowners are doing a service for society.
Kind of reminds me of a quote from the discworld books. The streets of Ankh-Morpork are quite dangerous and it’s quite easy to commit suicide there. Asking for shorts in a dwarf bar is committing suicide, asking a troll if he has rocks in his head is suicide, calling yourself Vincent the invulnerable is suicide (and inaccurate) it’s very easy to commit suicide in Ankh-Morpork if you’re not careful. other sources of suicide include http://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/index.php/Suicide
I have a Ruger Vaquero in .45LC and would like to have a lever gun in the same chambering to accompany it. I like the classic overtones such a pair has, the elegance of them, and, sometimes the tacticool stuff just gets old.
“Certainly people have a right to defend themselves in their home BUT they do not have a right to make it a free-fire zone, and the chief, or his spokesperson, should never put that in the minds of people. We must operate not on the basis of fear but on the basis of udnerstanding and how we as a community can come together to stop the violence,” he says.
I can’t help but be amused at those “progressives” who CLAIM they “believe” in our Rights and then reject it with a “but __________.”
So, let’s see if I follow this line of reason…. There’s a bad guy who’s broken through my front door and is threatening the safety of my family. I have a “right” to defend us, but I don’t have a “right” to freely fire. Instead of being FEARFUL, I should operate on the basis of UNDERSTANDING and rely on the COMMUNITY to save my family at that VERY MOMENT. Uh-huh!
(Also notice the typo in “understanding.” Do they not proof read this? Hell, even the spell check should have highlighted the word for the “journalist.”)
” We must operate not on the basis of fear but on the basis of understanding and how we as a community can come together to stop the violence.”
It sounds like the citizens of Detroit HAVE come together with the police chief and rediscovered a solution to crime which has proven effective for centuries.
“Certainly people have a right to defend themselves in their home but they do not have a right to make it a free-fire zone . . . . Translation: “We don’t want the perps getting shot . . . ”
It’s not the homeowners making their homes into a free-fire zones, Mr. Scott, it’s the lawbreakers.
You come into my house uninvited I will kill you. I don’t care if your armed or not, and if I go to jail so be it. And if I ever lived in a disarmed slave state (when hell froze over) I would still obtain a firearm and defend my castle against any scum. People need to get the message. You enter another mans house uninvited you will die….Period!
Obviously, if there are so many shot intruders, there are so many home invasions. So the real question is, have the home invaders gone too far?
Fox News has a story on it that has a few more details.
I am not sure what the failures were as that is not stated but my M&P 40s have been flawless. I shoot everything from high quality defense rounds, cheap steelcase, to a LOT of lead handloads. The only issues I have noticed to date have been with a few primers too deep on some handloads. My fault, not the guns. Going out today for another round of gunpowded relaxation therapy and these S&Ws will be part of that. As I have stated before, they take everything I feed them and ask for more.
Republicans in CT look a little soft to me. They need to find some balls (even the ladies!)
Hey, those would be intruders have lots of rights. And they can ask for help from the community any time they want. But once they’ve broken into my house, that’s all forfeit.
I got a great idea for you, coalition: convince your poor friends, the would be intruders, that they can still turn their lives around and be pillars of the community and not get shot, all they have to do is try not to rob people.
” how we as a community can come together to stop the violence.”
Anytime the word “community” is used run fast far, far away.
When has community aka committee, ever solved anything?
Want a total Cluster f**k? , just let the community “stop” the violence
Yip, how’s that been working out for ya!
Community Organizer? Like B. Hussain Obama? It’s a helluva’ career path. Maybe you can be vice president…or dog catcher. I look forward to more “vigilante” shooting s on the south side of Chicago.
Funny, I’m an NRA member and all I receive from them (the NRA) is mailings about renewing my membership (constantly) but nothing about a function in my hometown promoting their organization!
Whining that using firearms in self defense against home invasions is too violent is like whining that back-burning to suppress wildfires is too fiery.
Whatever…always messing with people who are ARMED. Maybe those so-called paranoid NRA $ appeals ain’t so PARANOID .
When black people empower themselves and fight back against the animals who have mentally enslaved them for years and their enabling parasite “community organizers”, people like Scott get scared. Decent people should never be afraid to defend themselves. Fear is peddled by a few to cower the many. Detroit needs more defensive minded folk to bring it back from the brink.
“When black people empower themselves and fight back against the animals who have mentally enslaved them for years and their enabling parasite “community organizers”, people like Scott get scared.”
“Community Organizer.” Sounds like something the piggies in Animal Farm would call themselves. Anything for a little bit of power, I suppose.
On the other hand, I’m going to give this “community organizer” a tiny bit of credulity. I honestly think a lot of these self-styled crusaders are part of the dysfunctional fabric of these neighborhoods; too close to the people they are trying to save. But instead of saviors, they become enablers for the very dysfunctional people they are trying to save from the streets.
I would suggest Mr. Scott take a big step back from his situation and go talk to the victims of these thugs, including the people who were forced to do awful things to save themselves. When he is done listening, he should go and have that much-needed talk to those poor souls who are intent on self-destructing with a fresh perspective on what is really going on in the neighborhood.
Well if you don’t want to get shot, don’t attempt to take others belongings by force. People will eventually respond to said force with force. I think part of his issue is generally the left hates the concept of private property and he thinks we should just share it with the “disadvantaged souls”. Just another example of the all property is the states mentality.
As Stevens slips further into senility, we can all be grateful that he is no longer relevant. I am sure he would happily assist the current administration’s quest to turn Americans into serfs.
I have an alternative suggestion for a rewording of the 2nd Amendment:
“The right of the people to keep and bear any weapons they damn well choose shall not be infringed. Period. And this time we mean it, you a**holes.”
Well, Sec. 431.001. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) “Reserve militia” means the persons liable to serve, but not serving, in the state military forces.
This applies to anyone from 17 to 65 years of age. Therefore, anyone that is a Texas Citizen, legal gun owner, and not a felon, is a part of the militia. Now all they need to do is make every citizen a criminal (Starting with the Lautenberg Amendment) and… walaaa; There goes the neighborhood.
Ok so im a new gun owner, democrat and yes Obama supporter ( on most issues ). Im someone in the middle. Not a gun activist. Im a moderate. But then I read crap like this, and think “what the hell are these guys reading? What the hell are they doing? If the owner of Black Horse is that shady of a lying petty crook, then how does his company even get its BS mentioned on this website?” What are you guys, the National Enquirer of the gun world? Obviously who ever wrote that article did not do enough homework and created a lot of controversy. But he also lost a potential reader because he wasted his time with BS.
1950s marlin 39a and a fg manufacture 1895 in 4570.
Got to say that the marlins are the most functional lever guns I’ve encountered, between the side loading gates for nonrimfire, side ejection, and drilled and tapped for scopes. My 4570 works like a charm and the 39a is just a hella fun to shoot.
I’ve been jonesing for a browning blr in 300 win mag for a while, strength of a bolt action lock up with the speed of a lever gun…and a take down to boot.
So let’s see how this might go. The BLM leaves. The press leaves. The militia leave. The cows go back on the range. Everything quiets down. A few months later. 3 AM in the morning. Flash bangs sound, gun fire erupts. Mr. Bundy dies resisting arrest on a warrant for (fill in the blanks). Promises of a full investigation by one or more unaccountable government agents never materialize and Harry Reid, his son, and who knows how many local officials get their payoff. The solar plant subsidized by Mr. Bundy’s heirs and the rest of us goes up. The Chinese rake in billions selling over priced green energy. Or Mr. Bundy dies in his sleep of natural causes. Or Mr. Bundy dies in a tragic car accident. You get the idea. Mr. Bundy dies and Harry Reid and his troup get their money.
Don’t count your chickens yet. This is far from over.
Hmmm…the stuff that makes Powr’Ball look slow & anemic? Maybe I’d buy some on deep discount & hope I didn’t blow my gun up. But hey congratulations on a 6 months deal. I have an open mind ( about ammo anyway ).
my question would be once you get his gun away from him is he still a lethal threat? not trying to monday morning qb, but i could see that argument made and it turning out bad in some states.
Will anyone actually admit these cows are NOT on Bundy’s land? His DEED does not include the land his cows are on.
We can’t even begin to have a debate unless we acknowledge the basic facts.
Anyone who thinks this is over is kidding themselves. While BLM admits to being skeerd of being shot full of holes by hundreds if not thousands of of patriots, it was only the exceptionally bad optics,the heavy handed unprofessional conduct of the feds, the totalitarian storm-trooper tactics, and politics that caused the feds to back up.
I said back up. Not back down.
One of two things is going to happen:
1. The feds will be back, bigger, better organized, and even more heavily armed and belligerent OR:
2: The will attempt to scoop up and imprison the Bundy clan at a time and place of their choosing.
Cliven Bundy and the Patriots, Oathkeepers, and Militamen just raised the bet. The feds HAVE NOT folded.
Good Lord. As a native cheesehead, I was compelled to leave that “progressive paradise”. But that was over 20 years ago.
I might just have to move back, now.
Its much better now. 🙂
We’re looking at land in Wisconsin. We could use more governors and politicians like Scott Walker. Oh, and did I mention that he balanced the WI budget and now they’re running a surplus? After those “shenanigans,” the state democrats and teamsters tried to recall him. Since voter ID was enacted, and those democrat / teamster scumbags could only vote once, the effort failed. If we ran like Wisconsin at a federal level, we’d be much better off as a nation. Unfortunately, we have an incompetent president.
My family has land in WI and like most states WI is very nice. Its just around Milwaukee and Racine and any area with a lot of “Chicago Carpet Baggers” as I call them that it sucks.
Sadly where my families land is the carpet baggers call the cops every time I shoot. Sometimes they come and “talk” to me, sometimes they don’t. Be very careful where you buy land because in 10 years that farm across the way might be a condo development.
There’s a simple solution… stop breaking into people’s houses.
Well, “best quality ammo” is very firearm specific when it comes to accuracy. In fact, for the same gun seeing the variation across rounds can be interesting too (is the price tag worth it?).
Also, keep in mind that not showing results from Liberty ammo, in terms of accuracy, can be just as damning – people will say you are not showing it because it performs poorly, or that you adopted this policy because you knew it would perform poorly. You cannot really eliminate complaints, only decide which ones you want to deal with.
I would personally not really have a problem showing Liberty (in terms of accuracy) side-by-side with some other common or even “best quality” ammo. Where I would have a problem is if you did a test, or sighted it in with Liberty, and only showed the best results.
NO. Next question, please …
Average police response time in Detroit 58 minutes. Gun in hand way way better than cop on the phone.
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