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Quote of the Day: Certain Kinds of People Edition

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“A recent Mayo Clinic study points out that mass shooters tend to meticulously plan their crimes weeks or months in advance, undermining the idea that the mentally ill simply “snap” and go on shooting rampages while also complicating the notion of effective gun control through gun registries, since a methodical planner has plenty of time to obtain weapons through illegal channels.” – Zach Weissmueller, The Truth About Mental Illness and Guns [at reason.com]

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  1. Convicted of felony assault in 1998, Regardless, I own a gun. No law written by men may overtake the natural law whereby I will protect my family and what is mine. End of story. It is not used in the commission of overt crimes. It is a danger to no one. No one except a person who wishes to do harm to myself and my family. It sits quietly, condition one, at my side. I WILL NOT BE DISARMED BY UNJUST LAWS AND PERSONAL PREJUDICES.

    Addendum: At the Philadelphia Convention, the Pennsylvania delegation proposed the idea that “no citizen may be deprived of rights except for crimes convicted” be inserted into the Constitution. It was voted down by over 2/3 of the delegation.

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  2. There are plenty of people that carry and use knives that are more expensive than a sebbie. The Sebenza has consistently won awards for quality for a reason. It is a very high quality, American made production knife. The owner of Spyderco has said they couldn’t produce a knife to the same tolerances in their Colorado factory for less.

    The knife in my pocket right now is worth much more than a Sebenza, but it is a handmade knife, and it’s value is due to the rarity, and the reputation/demand for the maker.

    Sure, someone could get a $30 CRKT, and it will cut stuff. But it’s not a Sebenza, just as a Sebenza isn’t a custom from a maker like Michael Burch, Jeremy Marsh, Ernest Emerson, or Bob Terzuola. Some people get enjoyment from owning and using items made by these craftsmen, and are willing to pay for it. Just as a Rock Island 1911 and a Nighthawk, Les Baer, or Wilson pistol may both be 1911’s, just because the Rock Island costs $500, doesn’t mean it’s a bargain compared to the other makers. Compare it to a full blown custom from Heirloom Precision and the difference becomes even greater.

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  3. These doctors throw their hands up in the air and tell us it’s impossible to predict who might “snap”, as though it’s like finding a needle in a haystack. Well. How about we start with just finding the haystack in the haystack?

    Look at the most recent spree shooters. Not all were so obviously psycho dangerous, but many were, and not just in the 20/20 hindsight sort of way. Tuscon, Aurora, Virginia Tech, even Columbine. All of those guys were off the charts lunatics. Some had even been found thus by doctors. Some were banned from their schools. At least one had wound his way through the courts as a mental defective. Can we focus first on raging psychos? I expect some cases will fall through the cracks; but without any serious system in the first place, then it’s all cracks and all fall through.

    Yes, I know that these are rare events and that good old fashioned gang violence is the major source of criminal homicides. Still, these spree shootings are ultra high profile events and as such have an outsized influence on public policy, which can lead to unproductive or even counterproductive proposals. That alone is reason enough to score easy wins against these glaring defectives, so we remove the outliers from the equation . Then we can seriously and without undue distractions address the bulk of the problem.

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    • “Yes, I know that these are rare events and that good old fashioned gang violence is the major source of criminal homicides. Still, these spree shootings are ultra high profile events and as such have an outsized influence on public policy, which can lead to unproductive or even counterproductive proposals.”

      I agree completely. And now you know why the civilian disarmament complex won’t actually do anything to actually stop violent mental cases before they strike … it would undermine their efforts.

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  4. I like watching them complain about tools I have as it reinforces the decision to spend the money. I’m looking for a .45 right now to validate the 2 A with at the moment.

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  5. This may sound counter intuitive but bear with me: if a mass murderer is going to strike, I want them to use a firearm. Why? Because once they start, an armed citizen or police officer has a chance to stop them before they create the huge number of casualties in their plan. The alternatives cannot be stopped midstream once the mass murderer puts them in motion.

    One alternative is a bomb. Once the mass murderer lights the fuse, there is no turning back and no way to reduce the number of casualties. Another alternative: lock the doors (with chains) of a crowded room and throw in a Molotov c0cktail made with a gallon of gasoline. Again, once the rag is lit and mass murderer throws it in the room, there is no turning back and no way to stop the carnage.

    In other words by the time good people realize what the mass murderer is doing with a bomb or Molotov c0cktail, it is too late to reduce the carnage. But when a mass murderer starts with a firearm, it is possible to intervene and stop them well before they are finished.

    We have to be honest and truthful. If a patient and determined criminal wants to kill someone, they are almost always going to succeed. Similarly, if a patient and determined mass murderer wants to kill 100 people and uses methods other than firearms, they will almost always succeed. But if a mass murderer uses a firearm, we have a chance to keep the body count low. We cannot keep the body count to zero, but we can keep it low.

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  6. This “game” and its attached gun prohibitionist agenda only goes to demonstrate that our enemies have no moral scruples, ethics or conscience at all. Our enemies are those who intend to destroy the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America and reduce The American People to feckless slaves in a Second or Third World Socialist/Totalitarian State.

    So, nothing about this is really surprising.

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  7. That looks pretty good. A lot of it looks like it was done with the careful application of open-celled (think “natural”) sponges.

    It looks doubly good considering a bunch of people will look at that and say, “$200, shit! I could do that for ten bucks in about an hour.” Like many creative things, that’s not really true. Think of all the bubba gunsmithing camo jobs you’ve seen. How many have actually looked this good (or good at all), except to the guy that did it himself? Most of them, in my experience, look like you turned a five year old loose with three colors of spray paint.

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  8. I read something recently where the blame was laid at the feet of the medication these people were on. And it wasn’t the usual trope that the medication made them crazy (which is what you usually hear), but that it allowed them to survive their suicidal impulses and, with a reduction in empathy, allowed them to go Full Retard and plan a mass murder.

    I guess that’s one way of looking at it. Drugs might help 99.99999% of the patients, but when 30,000,000 are on them, some nuts will slip through.

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  9. I don’t get the camo business. As far as I know all ungulates and similar critters are colorblind and can’t see the difference between you in camo and you in a field coat and jeans especially with that silly bright orange vest they make you wear so you won’t get mistaken for a deer. The only time I would use camo gear is if I decided to finally go turkey hunting. The wild turkey is not only a wily creature it can see in color and has exceptional visual acuity. But if it makes you feel cool to go out in the woods looking like a paratrooper in an orange vest be my guest.

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  10. I get that this is yet another imposition being placed on retailers. It is wrong. But someone help me out here… .I read the source article from The Hill (http://thehill.com/blogs/regwatch/pending-regs/190919-feds-eying-rules-for-lost-stolen-guns) and it says – may be wrong as they didn’t attribute this number to any source other than the ATF (and we know how trustworthy they are) – 190,000 guns were lost or went missing from retailers last year. WTF?

    Are they walking out the backdoor? Being palmed and stolen during a sales process? Wholesale theft of a store? Or maybe being “lost” like so many of the POTGs’ favorite firearms that fell out of the canoe? How the hell does anyone stay in business like that?

    A lost or missing 190,000 firearms… this one we will lose as it looks very bad. Hell, I’m a gun nut and I can’t comprehend it!

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  11. The real message of this study is that a mentally ill person intent on mass murder will use whatever he needs to accomplish his goal. Even if we effectively prevent him from obtaining firearms, he will substitute something else at least as deadly. The only thing that will work is treatment in a secure psychiatric hospital. They don’t get out as long as they remain dangerous.

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  12. The police from my high school were pretty cool guys. They broke up a ton of fights, if anything.

    I say why not? I’d sure rather have someone armed instead of no one.

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  13. “At the risk of sounding like an anti, do we really want armed cops in our schools?”

    Sure, they should be permitted to be armed, just as should be the administrators, teachers and parents of the kids attending the school in question.

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  14. Hey RF, do you think Texas is heading toward or away from allowing armed teachers? I might be heading down there for student teaching.

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  15. Reminds me of the science project where a school kid got people to sign a petition to outlaw dihydrogen monoxide (i.e. H2O). It would be interesting to try the same thing with firearms and magazines:

    We need to outlaw the heart of the hi-capacity magazine: the metal energy “retention coils that power the heart of these devices!” i.e. springs 🙂

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  16. How dare that woman protest, resist, and run from an attempted extortion. How dare that young man jump to his mother’s aid as she’s being assualted by an armed man. Don’t they know that the best way to avoid being hurt by criminals is to just comply and hand over the goods. You’d think people would have learned by now to just submit and obey.

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  17. Cobb is angling for a reality show, has 2 Hollyweird production companies courting him right now for the rights. The guy is not as dumb as he looks, he is looking at the $$$ at the end of the rainbow, and the whole neo Nazi thing is probably contrived anyway like a poster above said, he might even be on Mark Potoks payroll, after all the SPLC needs somebody to tear their chests over.

    As far as his gun handling, even with this guys stupid antics, EVERY gun owner should be concerned about being set up for brandishing charges by a neighbor or such who doesnt like them and “feels terrorized.” Its real easy to set somebody up for gun charges with anti gun cops and DA’s. The whole open carry thing will probably be a thing of the past eventually as gun owners are forced to hide even long guns from public view, or face false arrests, trumped up charges and long expensive legal battles. Don’t say it cant happen to you.

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  18. A few comments about the video. first, the California 5150 currently results in a five year prohibition (after the first of the year it becomes ten). Second, I am not aware of any provision of the law that allows the seizure of guns from someone who lives with a prohibited person, at least as long as the firearms are secured. (I note that the husband in the video had a gun safe). Third, APPS is funded by OUR gun fees, and not by general fund taxes. Specifically, a purchaser pays a standard $25 DROS (dealer record of sale) fee that was supposed to fund the operation of California’s handgun registration system. However, when someone discovered that the DROS system–which was by statute to be break even only–was actually running a multi-million dollar surplus, our fine legislature passed a bill that diverted those excess funds to APPS raids. Fourth, gaps in the handgun registration system (and the absence of a system for long guns until after Jan 2014) makes it impossible for the DOJ to accurately determine who has what guns–meaning that, without more, they do not have probable cause for a search warrant to seize the guns of a prohibited person–voluntary compliance is required of the gun owner. Which of course the SWAT team that descends on your house is unlikely to tell you (as I assume is what happened to the couple in the clip. Nine armed men with automatic weapons surrounding your house is powerfully persuasive.) Fifth, a voluntary admit does NOT carry the gun prohibition, though why this is a logical exception I have no clue. Sixth, most persons with a mental illness that is “a danger to themselves or others” are suicidal–i.e., a threat to themselves but not others. And while it is true that 15000 or more such persons use firearms to end their lives every year, what business is that of the State? [Parenthetically, unlike other states, it is not a crime to attempt suicide in California.] Finally, there is no one “type” of mental illness that results in someone going over the edge and committing a mass killing. Loughner Holmes were certainly schizophrenic, but Lanza was not–he was autistic, and many autism sufferers become quite violent as the age. (I don’t know why, but it happens.) Most of the guys shooting up high schools are severely depressed and socially marginalized, but not schizophrenic–their motivations are different,. I bet if we eliminated from the mental health statistics all those who are suicidal but not violent towards others, the number of mentally ill who are a real threat is insignificantly small, with a disproportionate impact in the news. Our priorities are definitely skewed.

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  19. If these cops really felt threatened, why would they have left him unattended, at the far end of the squad car, without at least frisking him first.

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  20. The real gem here is getting trigger right clan to walk individually and across a wide area at the same time, with their friends calling the police. Say about 300, In short overwhelming the police with calls and when they check out ” all is well” police may give up on lawful 2A display.

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