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Question of the Day: If You Trust God Why Do You Need a Gun?

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I’m not much of a believer. My father lost his faith in the Holocaust labor camps, my mother hers when she was orphaned at an early age. So I don’t quote scripture when I debate the morality of armed self-defense. As far as I’m concerned, the right to keep and bear arms is the right not to be killed (void when posing an imminent, credible threat of grievous bodily harm or death to innocent life). But our man at God Family Guns below makes an excellent case for a biblical basis for ballistic readiness. How do you deal with people who think religious folks support gun control?

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Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.

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    • Gandhi is a bad example for pretty much anything. In his later days he spoke against self defense. He told women that they should not defend themselves from getting raped, even if the rapist kills them, only then, he believed, would the cycle of violence be broken.

      The man almost destroyed India, and, after the independence, caused so much harm to the country and her people, they’re still reeling from it.

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  1. God doesn’t interfere with the freewill of man. Sometimes men choose to use their freewill for harm; that’s where the gun comes in.

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  2. Sig in your pic for this article. I’m going to use the opportunity to let you know that the turnaround time for the P320 recall was 6 days. YMMV.

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  3. Simple answer? God helps those that help themselves.
    Long answer? Free will allows evil men to do evil things. Thus, if you have faith in God, you also must accept that the same God created evil men and due to giving them free will will not intervene to stop them. This is the down side of being human and unless you subscribe to predeterminism, which makes all human choice irrelevant and more or less crushes the idea of free will or random chance.

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    • Sorry. That popular quote is not in the Bible. God helps that are unable to help themselves. I.e. salvation.

      Plenty of other support for defending you and yours.

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      • It’s not a quote from scripture but it is a popular saying among believers. Most religions seem to have some variant of it, see “Trust in Allah, but tie your camel.”

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        • Plus, it’s a theme woven throughout all scripture. God might provide inspiration or even intervene miraculously, but in the end it’s up to his followers to DO the thing.

          God didn’t magic up an ark; Noah built it. God parted the Red Sea, but Moses got the Jews there in the first place. Being divine, Jesus presumably could have played the God card and fixed everything instantly, but instead he joined his apostles in trudging around Israel doing God’s work with human hands. There’s the parable of the talents, too.

          On and on it goes…thus “God helps those who help themselves.” No reason why that shouldn’t apply to self-defense, too. Jesus did tell his apostles to buy themselves swords, after all.

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  4. Well I’m buying guns and ammo but it ain’t Ruger. Yes the deep discounts(including rebates)others are offering will affect your bottom line. Just saw Remington RP9 for 199 after a $100 rebate on Facebook! Do I want a full-size 18+1 honker? Maybe for THAT price!

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  5. My biggest argument, as a Christian who carries daily, to the Christian folks who fall back on the “trust in God” excuse is to use examples straight out of the Bible.

    Did Noah trust in God? Sure, and he built an ark. He didn’t say “oh safety will be provided”.

    Did Joseph trust God? Sure, and he also wasn’t an idiot and when he knew famine was coming he stocked up on supplies. He didn’t say “oh food will be provided”.

    Should Christians trust God? Yes, but God helps those who help themselves.

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    • You’re on the right track.

      Does ‘Trust in God mean if I believe deeply enough, can I quit my job and stop going to the grocery store? God provides and all that? I don’t think so.

      God provided me with a set of skills and a path to a job, which enables me to have my important needs met.

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    • Luke 4:12 – do not put God to the test.

      If it’s wrong to secure your own safety by carrying a g un, then it also must be wrong to fasten your seat belt, own a fire extinguisher, save for retirement, etc. If God will provide there’s no reason to prepare for anything. Try it and God will reward you according to your deeds.

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  6. If I die, I can’t keep believing in my God, now, can I?
    I need weapons to protect my faith from others.

    Now. Who do I have to talk to around here about this change in format?
    Not cool.

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  7. My God never said that bad things would never happen to me. He just said that he could take something that was bad and turn it into something good and that when I pass on that there is a good and holy place for me if I believe, trust and follow Him. Because I love Him and he loves me infinitly more.

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  8. This is pretty personal stuff, but for me, all life comes from God. I was put here to be a husband and father and to do good things, in general. That includes protecting my life so that I can continue to do good things, like be a husband and father. Of course, I was also put here to protect others, like my family, from whatever may befall them. Loss of a husband and father would be bad for them (although let’s face it, my wife would probably re-marrry someone richer and better looking.)

    The new testament teaches us to turn the other cheek, and I believe in that. But that is not inconsistent with protecting innocent life, my own or others, from evil.

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  9. Ron Grobman: The spring inside of the PWS bolt is not to help keep the bolt engaged with the barrel lug as stated in this article. The design purpose of this spring is to keep the bolt forward as the bolt carrier is driven reward. There are no gas piston rings in the PWS. By this spring keeping the bolt carrier forward, it helps to eliminate wear to the upper receiver by the cam pin. I use the POF Roller Cam pin on my AR bolt carrier groups

    LarryinTX: The BCG assembly are removed the same as all other ARs. Look up some PWS disassembly videos on YouTube.

    No one of consequence: Once you shoot (and then clean) a piston driven AR, you will not want to go back to DI systems. I’m a left handed shooter and I’ve never had gas in my face (even when using a suppressor).
    NOTE: Not all piston gas systems are quality built.

    Piston driven ARs run so much cleaner, have better reliability (when using quality piston systems such as PWS, Faxon ARAK, and Custom AR firearms that use the Superlative Arms Gas piston driven firearms. I currently own a custom built (by myself) Superlative Arms Gas piston rifle. Zero malfunctions (thousands of rounds) with all three of these piston system ARs.

    Of these 3, I would chose the Superlative Arms version due to it’s much lighter overall weight (5.5lbs without optic), simple (but robust) design, and better overall ability to fine tune your rifle’s gas system for optimum operation.

    223 Wylde chambered 1:8 twist is the ideal choice for 223-5.56 ARs.

    While the PWS muzzle device is nice, I much prefer the results when using the VG6 Precision Gamma 556. Slightly more overpressure to the side, but almost ZERO recoil and the barrel doesn’t rise/drop/shift left or right, thus allowing for instant follow up shots.

    Forget the ZEV trigger (In my opiion it is not worth the money).
    Instead try out a TriggerTech (3 models: Combat (5.5lbs), Competitve (3.5lbs) or the Adjustable (2.5-5.0lbs). The TriggerTech has the best trigger break and a super short reset.
    Another great trigger option is the KE Arms SLT-1 trigger (4.5lbs). The design of the SLT-1 allows for the safety selector to be put in SAFE without the hammer being cocked and eliminates the standard design disconnector.

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    • I agree re the TriggerTech triggers … but I do have a gripe about them.

      After dropping one into my favorite AR, it first became my even more favoriter AR for about five minutes. Then my wife tried it, and it became her AR. Dang trigger … I liked that gun. 🙂

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  10. I trust God but also wear a seatbelt, own a fire extinguisher and take antibiotics to fight infections. Trust in God does not somehow imply immunity from any and all life threatening situations.

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    • Indeed. I trust in the Lord but my house is on high ground. I attend church religiously but I always look both ways before i go through an intersection. God helps those who help themselves. Amen.

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  11. She either says that or she has no chance of winning in a state like New Jersey. There are simply not enough die-hard 2A supporters in NJ. If there were, they wouldn’t have the laws they have currently. It’s as simple as that.

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  12. I just wrote another email to Sen. Portman and explained what a “bump stock” does, how the same effect can be achieved by just using your finger, and why it does not convert a “semi-auto” to a fully automatic weapon. Fully automatic weapons are either illegal by state laws or a highly controlled by federal law! I also told him that I was a former armorer in the military “spec-ops” community for 36 years and that he is free to contact me at any time!

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  13. I’m going to take a different approach, and say that the question is based on an unsubstantiated premise. Why do you think that mere belief in God leads to a conclusion that a believer should *not* bear arms in self-defense?

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    • I think it’s a common misconception based on Jesus saying “Turn the other cheek”. Most people don’t get the idea he was just talking about a slap… I truly believe that Jesus would have and maybe did fully endorse protection of self and family from evil.

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      • I think it’s a common misconception based on Jesus saying “Turn the other cheek”.

        Ah, yes: “turn the other cheek.”

        That passage has absolutely nothing to do with defending oneself against physical harm. “If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also.” Given that the default person is right-handed, a slap on the right cheek would come from the back of the hand. It is an act of insult, not physical harm.

        The saying means that a believer is not to return insult for insult – in no small part because a mere insult is not a physical threat.

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  14. I’m a fairly religious guy. And I was raised on the saying “The good Lord helps those who help themselves”. I think that applies to guns as much as it does anything else.

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  15. They need to be more creative not just follow Savage. They could have used mini 14 mags on their gun site scout for example it would turn some heads.

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  16. I don’t actually believe in any god. But I do believe that the greatest treasure any human has is life itself — and the freedom to do what we will with it.

    If you believe life is a divine gift, then anyone who unjustly takes human life is doubly damned. And if you refuse to defend your life and the lives that depend on yours, you fail your god by throwing away the ultimate gift.

    Besides, this “leave it all to God” thing is arrant nonsense. If it’s really all up to God, then why do we bother to find food and shelter for ourselves? Why work or do anything at all? Go ahead and try to leave the essentials of life up to God. If you get any direction from deity at all, it’ll be of the “get off your ass and DO something” variety. Clearly, whatever god put us here intended that we would feed and clothe and defend ourselves (and each other).

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  17. I am a Christian and have had this debate with other Christians who are dear to me and with some Christians whose knowledge of the Bible is greater than mine. It is not a question simply answered. And I would encourage any Christian struggling with the righteousness of self-defense to spend much time in prayer and in reading the Bible – – test your thoughts with the Word of the God and with the guidance of trusted men of God.

    As for me, I reached a conclusion on this matter long ago. God is a warrior. Jesus will return as a destroyer, wading in the blood of men. If you doubt this, look to the Bible. Read the Old Testament. Read the Book of Revelations. Therein, God is also described as a hen, covering her chicks with her wings. Jesus is call the Lamb of God. All of these attributes are true and right. And they are not mutually exclusive. To His chosen, God is a protector, a father. To this world, Jesus first came as a lamb, and to His people, He is the embodiment of the Good Shepherd. To those outside the love of Christ, God is a just god, delivering justice with wrath – – to those under His wings, He is a just god, delivering His wrath upon His own son as a substitute for those whom He loves.

    I reached my conclusion when I became a father, largely because I did not understand the nature of God, as outlined above, until I became a father. For my wife and my children and for my brothers and my sisters, I have the love of a shepherd, a duty to protect and a duty of care. For those outside that circle, I have a duty to inform, a duty to speak about the God whom I know. For those outside that circle who would harm those whom I love, I have nothing but wrath. For that reason, I carry a gun and know how to use it – – I own guns – – everyone in my household has a gun and knows how to use it, including my sons. For that reason, there are at least three or four armed men in my church every Sunday.

    I pray that I never have to kill another human being. I have held the dead body of my own son, and I know what Death is. I also know that life is precious. So precious that the God who gave me life was willing to salvage my life with the life on His own Son. When you take up a gun, you had best understand these things. You will be held accountable.

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  18. Anyone who would even ask that question is of an entitlement mindset. Someone else should take care of me and my family. I don’t want the responsibility of having to take care of myself and others. This mindset is the opposite of Christianity. Christ taught the concept of self defense and the defense of others. It’s the lazy man, the sluggard, who doesn’t put forth the effort or preparation to defend or provide for themselves or their family. The gun is just a modern version of weaponry as was the sword when Jesus walked the earth in physical form. Jesus told his deciples to sell their clothes to buy a sword if they didn’t have one. He knew they may have to defend themselves or others. He also knew that people would someday ask that rediculous entitlement question and his people could refer back to his statement in Luke 22:36.

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  19. After losing a majority of my family in the Holocaust, I’ll make sure that my family and I are protected in the most efficient manner possible. Faith will NOT protect against a faithless or faithful person intent on doing harm

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  20. I do wish people would stop using “Turn the other cheek” as an argument for pacifism. It’s as stupid as when people pull the “Give us your poor, your tired” card to excuse unchecked immigration.

    Turning the other cheek is a response to being insulted; a slap on the face does hurt, but it’s only lethal to your pride. Jesus asked his followers to bear insults with grace and patience, not to bend over and smile if someone wants to maim or kill them. If a maniac stabbed your kidney, you aren’t scoring points for Team God by pivoting around to let him stab the other one; no, that would just make you an idiot.

    And really, even if that was what He expected us to do, I wouldn’t submit myself or mine to murder on the command of anyone who has the luxury of resurrecting in 72 hours.

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  21. I choose to own a gun. Do I need a gun? Not at the moment, but, maybe one day I will need it to defend my family or my property or my country. I enjoy shooting sports. They are fun. I don’t imagine that I’m killing people or animals. I like to shoot. Did God send Israel out to defeat their foes with no weapons? No. I trust God. But how is that exclusive of having a gun? If I need to use a gun to defend my family, property (which God allows me to live on) or country, how can you say God would not help me then in those situations to use the gun effectively to defend those I love? What about a Law Enforcement Officer or Soldier who trusts God? Should they lay down their arms? I think any Christian would say no. Owning a firearm or firearms does not reflect your faith or trust in God at all.

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  22. Talk about a question right up my alley! I’m Pastor Vince from Clergy in Support of the 2nd Amendment. I have addressed this question more than once:

    In this post I prove that Jesus Christ did command His disciples to be armed for the purpose of self defense: http://2ndamendmentclergy.blogspot.com/2017/01/did-jesus-order-his-disciples-to-be.html

    This post contains quotes from a wide variety of religious leaders (not only Christians) on the issue of self defense, including armed self-defense: http://2ndamendmentclergy.blogspot.com/2017/11/religious-leaders-on-firearms-and-self.html

    Finally, this is our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/2ndAmendmentClergy/

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    • That’s not what urgent care is for, genius. Unless the nearest hospital is a hundred miles away, I can’t see any urgent care being willing to take a bear attack victim, especially if that’s all they know about the source of the injury. Urgent care is for sprains, minor fractures, minor burns and lacerations. Anything above that goes to the ER.

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  23. Good story Dean, but I believe it is quoted were left out with the first shots missing/out of order, describing only the reactions.

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  24. So, the Republican candidate for next week’s NJ governor’s race is a RINO on guns, wants to keep New Jersey’s 2nd-stupidest gun laws in the nation (after NY state)!
    That settles it, I’ll vote for the Democrat for NJ governor, rather than voting for Chris Christie’s deputy governor, Kim Guadagno. At least the other candidate won’t shut down the busiest bridge in the nation just to spite a mayor who wouldn’t endorse him, like Kim Guadagno and Chris Christie did!

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  25. The National Park Rangers are advising hikers in Glacier National Park and other Rocky Mountain parks to be alert for bears and take extra precautions to avoid an encounter.
    They advise park visitors to wear little bells on their clothes so they make noise when hiking. The bell noise allows bears to hear them coming from a distance and not be startled by a hiker accidentally sneaking up on them. This might cause a bear to charge.
    Visitors should also carry a pepper spray can just in case a bear is encountered. Spraying the pepper into the air will irritate the bear’s sensitive nose and it will run away.
    It is also a good idea to keep an eye out for fresh bear scat so you have an idea if bears are in the area. People should be able to recognize the difference between black bear and grizzly bear scat.
    Black bear droppings are smaller and often contain berries, leaves, and possibly bits of fur. Grizzly bear droppings tend to contain small bells and smell of pepper.

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  26. Glad they made it out with relatively minor wounds all things considered. Quick question so if a .44 is good bear medicine a .223/5.56 should be too right?

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  27. After watching a NOLS lecture, I generally prefer to carry bear spray when hiking. If I am hunting though, might as well carry a backup gun. Both are similarly effective as a deterrent.

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  28. If you want to read the missing paragraph (before the paragraph that begins “It worked”) describing David’s second shot with the Taurus, follow the attribution link to ammoland.com.

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  29. My AR 556 had to go back to the factory twice for repairs- the second time because they created a new problem during the first repair.

    My LCP II? Terrific little pistol if it ever fired. Almost every magazine had failures to function of one type or another, after two trips back to the factory for repair they finally just destroyed the pistol and exchanged it for me.

    Senior customer service reps I spoke with in the company said that they recognized that a culture change is needed to get Ruger back to its roots.

    High volume of production is great but quality control issues are plaguing the company right now

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  30. “Father Uses Taurus .44 Magnum Revolver to Shoot Grizzly Bear Attacking His Son”

    And that’s why you carry a “bear gun” in bear country…

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  31. I carry 200gr loads in my .357 in WY but because of the data I have seen will use the bear spray I usually wear first. I doubt I’d have time to get to the gun after trying the spray so I sure hope the folks who provided the attack data I have seen are right.

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  32. “Also, by adding a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil for every twenty gallons of kerosene, it will fuel most diesel engines”

    Not if you want to keep it running for very long…

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  33. The question is faulty. It’s not a balance sheeet reconciliation issue. Don’t try to put those two things together (for me) in this life.
    Safer to deal with it / imagine it as an “In case of Emergency, BREAK GLASS”, issue.

    I have my faith in GOD, and my relationship with him. I have no idea if I can impress upon you my belief in the importance of that belief. I don’t believe for one second any of the rest of you give a flying F about it. If you make me abandon my concentration / reliance on / belief in, it for a second, I’ll waste whatever time I need to (and whatever means) to make you rethink your choice on that, and work stringently to prevent you or yours from doing it again.

    “”I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all” -Mattis”

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  34. My solutions for this (Ruger people, feel free to take this consultation and not pay me for it)

    1. Rebates.
    It’s holiday season, people will be spending money. How are those Ruger American pistols selling? How about those Mark IV’s you had to recall because you panicked when S&W came out with the Victory, you know, that .22 pistol that’s easy to take down and actually works? How are those Sp101’s selling now that you offer the LCRx? Not well? Give people $50 or $100 for them after a rebate and watch the orders from distributors come flowing in.

    2. Make guns people want
    I like that you guys at Ruger are supporting and expanding the LCRx line, hurry up with the .357 and .327 already. Also, stop it with the doublestack pistols, you’re not going to compete with S&W, Glock, or Sig and you never have been able to. If you really want to, you need to drop the price of the 9E down to $250 street price and come out with a 45E and discontinue the SR line.
    I don’t want to own a Mini-14, at least not in this age of $400 AR’s that are more accurate.
    Make me a Ruger 44 Carbine, make it with a longer tubular magazine and I want it in .327, .357, .44, .45 Colt, and .500 S&W. Can’t do that for a profit? Make a lever action then with a loading gate and keep the cost under $600. If you’re gonna use a polymer stock and forend, $500 or less.

    3. Make your QC better
    I keep reading about issues with Rugers, I’ve had a few oddities with my Rugers. Nothing dealbreaking, but for the large amount of money I paid for it, I expected it to be flawless. Sharp edge on one side of the trigger guard, an issue at the range where I couldn’t pull the hammer back, the DA/SA trigger not being smooth (I felt the trigger on a .357 Redhawk that blew me away how nice it was.) Just… general make what you make now and plan to make in the future better so I don’t have to deal with the BS of calling your cute, but already taken girls in customer service and shipping and signing for return shipping and getting nothing in return for your screw up. At least be like Hi Point who gives you a free magazine when they return their product to you.

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  35. ‘Why’, broadly speaking, do W308s cost twice what a 5.56 rifle costs? Just curious. I paid $460 for my M&P 15 Sport II, and I’d be happy to pay $700 for an M&P Sport 10.

    Not paying $999, though.

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  36. As to the ID of the ranger and the stolen gun model:

    As part of their case, the defense attorneys have placed the actions of Ranger John Woychowski, whose gun was stolen from a car in San Francisco shortly before the shooting, at the center of their case.

    Woychowski was off duty and stopping off in San Francisco on a family trip to a temporary posting in Helena, Montana, on the night of June 27, 2015, when the gun was stolen.

    Woychowski said he left the gun, a .40-caliber Sig Sauer P239 that served as his secondary duty weapon, in a holster inside a backpack stashed under the front seat of his SUV parked on The Embarcadero near Pier 5 while the family went to dinner. The backpack also contained his badge and law enforcement credentials.

    http://abc7news.com/ranger-testifies-on-theft-of-gun-used-in-steinle-shooting-in-sf/2571467/

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  37. I believe in a God-given mandate to defend me and mine, as long as I didn’t start anything.

    I do respect those who would prefer to live nonviolently. It’s just not where I am at. And I think that should be respected as well. They are both valid and valuable choices.

    I do think God is my first line of defense. Followed by the intelligence and sense he endowed me with. Following that are any tools I have at my disposal.

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  38. So, I carry .45 1911 as my backup and a Glock 10mm (15 round capacity) as my primary. With a belt holster with the 10 and shoulder for the .45, I don’t seem to have many issues. I realize not everyone is 6’6″ and concealed carry would be an issue for smaller framed individuals. I can find no reason not to carry my 1911as stated by the author of this article for myself. Find a weapon that fits you, that you’re accurate with and that fills your job requirement.

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    • You forgot to add “ PBUH” after John Moses Browning (PBUH).

      Einstein and Feynman WISHED they were John Moses Browning (PBUH)

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  39. “What do you, a member of TTAG’s AI, think?”

    I think, that if TTAG put together it’s own NFP and membership drive, we could crush the anti’s movement in a week of weekends. Whatever wasn’t crushed, we could mop up by viral effect; making DHS descend on certain areas by causing problems there (a/k/a: Soros-ing / ANTIFA-ing / Black-bloc -ing / BLM -ing., etc.).

    Or, we could just keep typing about it here.

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  40. The problem with dismissing the gun control crowd and the major media is the quote from Dr. Joseph Goebbels :

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. ”

    The left is a firm believer in the saying and is working hard on many fronts to prove it. Gun control is just one. White privilege, hands up don’t shoot, black suppression, ……. etc.

    Add some more phrases they use.

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  41. Psalm 1:44, Blessed be God my rock who trains my hands for war my fingers for battle.
    Well something like that. For I am a soldier and he is my shield. Now we have that cleared up, I carry and I hope I never need it, for it is my staff too. Anybody puts there hands on me and my God will not save him….

    ;

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  42. WHO OF US (TTAG AI BLOGGERS) ARE GETTING PAID (LIKE LEAH) TO STAND UP FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN?

    It should cost Leah, not enrich her, to attack the Constitution.

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    • She’s ‘come around to it’ then ? Seen the error in her previous thinking and ways ?

      Who pays for the breakage up til now then?

      Yeah. Still us.

      Sounds like she’s merely trying to run to the top part of the see-saw to keep a job through contrarianism.

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  43. As I’m an atheist brought up in a country comprised of mostly atheists, I might not be the right person to answer this question. Nonetheless, I hope that any sane individual, regardless of whichever faith they profess themselves to aswell as to which extent they believe, take reasonable measures in their everyday life in order for them to keep on living. Having to cite scripture in order to justify such things as eating, sleeping, taking care of loved ones or defending ones own life seems a bit too complicated.

    No matter how strong your faith is in anything; be it an electronic device, yourself or a deity, you normally take rational precautions anyways. Faith will always be faith, a gamble with odds based upon what you yourself believe. Therein lies the reason as to why we backup our data, start a timer when we cook pasta and why we carry a gun; even when we are certain that the risk is negligible. The common source of error is us as human individuals. No matter the quantity or quality of data upon which we base our decision, we can never be certain that we made the right call until after the fact. The only safeguard is assume the worst, no matter what Apple, our own intuition or the bible says. Unless we want to lose our nudie pics, eat overcooked pasta or get shot in the face because of faith.

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  44. I ordered one. $1 shipping. Never wanted one before, but when the gun grabbers go after something, better to get it before you can’t.

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  45. found that the 3 used to own American rifles will not feed singles easily, also the bolt faces were straight edged and rough, Bolt face bullet cutout needed to be champhered, did it my self but took so long I traded it for a savage worked out of the box, Receiver bolt kept loosening up on firing, judicious use of red lock tight and torqued fixed that problem!

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  46. God made man with opposable thumbs and large brains to build tools.

    If we were supposed to passively go through life without acting on our own behalf, he would have made us into plants or sponges.

    Instead God made us in his image, only lesser versions: we have free will, the ability to foresee some of the consequences of our actions, and (somewhat) control our environment.

    “let he who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one”

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  47. Well, actually looking at what the legislation says is getting traction (On Twitter, via Twitchy):

    “The “ban on bump stocks” is DOA because @TheDemocrats wrote to bill to effectively ban all semi-autos, of course.#txlege #copolitics https://t.co/o6FIZz2BIf

    — Tom (@BoreGuru) November 1, 2017″

    Kudos to everyone who — er, put a warning shot across their congress-critters’ bows.

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  48. AP article is great, a UPS facility is not a Postal Facility. The firearms dealer I for does not ship FedEx or UPS on Thur or Fri so they will not sit at a facility over the weekend.

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  49. As a firearm owner in a Commonwealth country, you learn very quickly according to politicians and the media we are personally responsible for all crime, including terrorism, any where in the world and therefore have to justify our ownership in this context. Also were are portrayed as heartless monsters who refuse to hand in our firearms for the “common good” and repent and atone for our “crimes”.

    Anything that befalls us is social(ist) justice and is justified in the eyes of the media.

    Since the Mandalay Bay shooting some Australia Post employees have decided to censor and intercept correspondence from the NSW Firearms Registry as payback for our alleged “involvement”. In addition to myself other friends have noticed delays in processing and approved paperwork suddenly gets lost in transit. The FR has an online facility to check the status of applications, and mine were approved on Sep-29. Even allowing for the stated 7-10 working days this delay is well beyond what is allowed. The postal workers could be described as self-appointed “People’s Commissars for Communication”. Although their actions are highly illegal they won’t be punished because their actions are social justice.

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  50. Probably just gang violence, or some dip$#!t domestic violence incident with people who watch too much reality TV…And have way to much drama…But, not any more…

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  51. I’m curious to know how he gets shot 4 times in the ass…..unless he was moving away from her, in which case Mr. Dindu-Nuffin may have a case to say he was running away and was shot in the back(side). Was she so accurate and fast shooting that she hit a profile of his ass four times? Also, crickets from that Professor Moron Troll. Typical.

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  52. I don’t trust god.

    I don’t even know if he, she or it (or they) exists.

    I’m an agnostic.

    I do trust John Moses Browning and my M1911.

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  53. Unless you are hanging out with the criminal element or living in or near the ghetto you are about as safe as you can be in this country. So I generaly feel “safe” walking around without my piece but I would rather have the option just in case I “win” the crime lottery.

    I carry a gun because I don’t expect to need it because if I knew I was going to need it I wouldn’t go there.

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  54. A Bad Conduct Discharge is one higher than a Dishonorable Discharge. Then,

    General under Other Than Honorable.
    General under Honorable.
    Honorable.

    So, checking “No” on DD was correct.

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  55. The Hysterical Mother is a paid propagandist. She puts out (lies) for Sugar Daddy Bloomberg’s cash, preaching a dark gospel of anti-civil rights bigotry, intolerance and hatred. Bigots do not spread hysteria with facts, they fabricate statistics and demonize others in their attempts to manipulate public opinion.

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