Billy Johnson makes the case that there are only two ways to grab Americans’ guns: 1) abandon the republican principles on which the nation was founded, or 2) voluntary disarmament. Under number one has the .gov declaring gun owners enemies of the state. A threat to law, order, peace and tranquility. And Mr. Johnson says our representatives lack the power and the right to do it. As for number two, good luck with that. Ultimately, in his view, the responsibility for holding our elected officials accountable for their RKBA infringing tendencies, something that seems to work better in some locales than others. But back to the original question. Billy is of the opinion that our government can’t disarm us. You?
A neat idea! Some fun but seemingly unnecessary tech. All of the training I have taken has us dumping the mostly-used mag and doing a reload at the first pause in the action, and if we run the mag dry, immediately reloading as well. Still, looks kind of fun.
Nope.
That cat is long out of the bag.
The sheer number of boating accidents in CT and the rise of the Mexican autodefensas with guns previously squirreled away prove that any attempt at centralized disarmament (voluntary or otherwise) is a nothing but a pipe dream.
Yes they very well can.
In fact, I’d say it’s already begun.
Put down the Mossberg.It’s not gonna happen that way.No SWAT trucks in the wee hours , no flashbangs, no ATF raids.
The way it’ll go down is like a bad marriage -suffering spread out over time.The idea is to turn up the regs slowly, so that instead of triggering civil disobedience society actually considers the restrictions ” normal”. Eventually, once society considers the previous restrictions normal, the screws get turned a little tighter.
First is permits.Then , ten round magazines.Then discretionary issue ownership.Then safe storage laws which render home defense with a firearm illegal.At each turn, more time passes, more gun owners die off, and more kids grow up thinking gun ownership is a social disease.
By the time a total ban is offered, gun control will have become a social cornerstone.The default position of the typical voter will be anti, and the only folks left with legally owned guns will be old crones armed with grey hair and lots of stories about “the good old days”.
This has all happened before .If we let it, it will happen again here.
The incremental approach takes too long and governments change.
Except what were talking about goes beyond government. It’s about social customs.That’s why Eric Holder said back in the 90’s that gun control requires “brainwashing” us.
At one time, smoking cigarettes used to be customary. People just did it when they saw fit. Now, entire cities have banned the practice. What changed? Social perception of smoking went from something socially acceptable to something socially forbidden.
Government, ultimately ,responds to the will of the people.And “the people” respond to social custom.
We can see this process already. Observe the New York State tourist who was physically ill at the sight of an AR15 in her rental car.That reaction isn’t logical, since science says the car was a bigger threat to public safety then the gun was.
No, she reacted that way because hating guns is a default social custom in New York.What happened there can happen nationwide.All it takes is time, and a sleeping minority of gun owners who think the antis are all about laws and legislation.
Yep. You’ve heard the old adage about how to boil a frog. It will be incremental, as in CA more and more onerous regulations a drip at a time. Restrictions on ammunition, micro-stamping, insurance, increased fees/taxes for various gun related activities, environmental regulations on outdoor AND indoor ranges (smoke as well as lead), zoning restrictions.
At the same time more and more social indoctrination via schools, public ‘safety’ programs and grants, restrictions on government assistance tied to firearm questionaires, PSA ad campaigns with celebrities, anti-gun messages embedded in movies/TV shows, requiring medical exams to collect firearm information (or void insurance/public assistance/etc.)
All of this may not even be intentional/planned to disarm america. Much of it will be done simply for appearances sake- for politicians to be able to say they did something (even though that something won’t have the positive affect they’ll justify it with).
And finally – the Peter Principle as applied to large bureaucracies like our state and federal government. The tendency to make rules and regulations whether they are necessary or not because, well because that’s their job as mid-level flunkies. To come up with rules. If they don’t, they feel lazy, like they’re not doing anything, because all they can produce is rules. It’s the way to get noticed, promoted, and give the appearance of productivity. So, ATF, DoJ, state DoJs etc. will continue to generate rules even without a specific political motivation.
ST – Spot on!
I used to feel that way. I used to believe in the system. I used to believe there was balance.
Tell me. When was the last time our government CHANGED? Do some research into the big players in our government. You will start hearing the same last names repeated over and over, and not many of them either. Bush, Kennedy, Clinton, Rumsfeld, Fienstien, Warren, Brady, when was the last time you didn’t hear those names. And that’s just what I could think of off the top of my head.
Our government is SUPPOSED to change. But president after president serve 2 consecutive terms. The longest serving senator has been in office 51 years! How long enough to brainwash people? 8, 10 (a standard generation), 51? When was the last time our government changed? When was the last time someone was elected to federal office that wasn’t a Dem or Rep?
Look around. Bans in NY, CT, and CA. The term “common sense gun control” used as the standard in the media to make all gun owners look like extremists. The incremental approach is happening right now.
@ Pseb
It’s been happening incrementally, ‘socially’ for a long time with decades of conditioning of our children in schools and the devious brainwashing/reeducation of the uninformed populace by the anti-gun media. Government continues to make small incursions into 2A protections every day and will achieve success where ever the public has been reconditioned to believe and accepts that infringement and confiscation is necessary, whether it be by outright taking, or grandfathered taking through restricting transfers to heirs – the more likely avenue.
Every political period where there is progressive, statist liberalism at the helm of government – local, state or federal – these antis’ confiscatory efforts gain traction. The larger ‘general public’ has been and continues to be conditioned through education, reeducation, and media propaganda to expect them, and will accept them as a given, even if we don’t.
We aging gunners are all a dying breed, and as time passes, the newer generations won’t immediately have the historical perspective, experiences, knowledge and insightfulness that have given us impetus to resist the antis with the dedication and commitment we possess. Some may, on faith, my son among them. But our numbers will naturally recede unless the people of the gun ’tribe’ is strongly reinforced and the 2nd Amendment, pro self-defense heritage passed on without being way-laid by the false detour being engineered by the antis’ and statists within and outside of government.
I agree with ST; don’t want to see it, don’t want to believe it, but I’ve come to expect ‘taking’ as inevitable without a serious eye opening turnaround of the current propaganda and rhetoric being consumed and internalized by the ‘general public’.
I think history shows us this is how it almost did happen. The 1960s pushed gun rights way back but we’ve been slowly regaining them. What if instead of 1960 being the low point of gun rights it was only the beginning? Let the 1968 GCA be a lesson to us: NOT ONE STEP BACK.
For what it’s worth, I think we did absorb that lesson. In the gun community I think there is much less willingness to compromise than there used to be.
NOT ONE STEP BACK!
Like boiling a proverbial Frog.
The proverb goes:
If you try to put a frog in a pot of boiling water it will jump out.
But…
If you put the frog in the pot of water cold, and turn on the stove, it will sit in the water until it boils alive.
Drastic changes are intolerable. Small changes are unnoticeable.
After all think about how much the pot is boiling now? My generation is unaware that within my grandmother’s lifetime, you could clip an add out of a magazine, send in $35, and have a Thompson short barreled SMG delivered to your home. That was the 1930. They ARE disarming us. Right now. They do fear us. Right Now. They do think they are better then us. Right Now. This video was presented as a hypothetical but it is exactly what is happening right now. I grew up in WDC. I remember when people could play Frisbee on the capital lawn. Today? The Capital building lawn is lined with 3 fences (2 of chain link one of concrete barricades) posted with signs that say you will be attacked by dogs if you cross them. It looks like a police state. Our government has run away with itself and it is populated only by political dynasties that have been “our representatives” for generation after generation. All politicians today believe they are a breed apart. And why not? They have all the money. Some days I wonder why the people don’t already take to the streets. How much more does it take? How many lines have to be crossed and how many rights have to be taken before it becomes wrong?
They are betraying the very principles this Nation was founded on. It is an attack upon its very soul.
An American Spring?
Unlikely; way too many ‘sheeple’.
No. Even gradual encroachment doesn’t exist in a vacuum. At some point, that which we need firearms for in the first place, will run so rampant that Americans, including those who never thought to own a firearm, would turn out in droves to procure one and protest their illegality.
This isn’t Sweden. The demographics and economics here make perpetual tension between people the permanent normal. Disarm the law abiding, and you’ll replace an uneasy equillibrium of occasional deadly violence, with an abject avalanche of wholesale slaughter.
The anti’s feral fantasies of “blood in the streets” could well come to pass as thugs go wilding and an underarmed public pleads hopelessly helplessly to an overwhelmed government.
Criminal anarchy organized by those with nothing to lose and everything to gain? I’ve thought that too. We’ve seen enough riots over the years to know it’s possible, and with social media communication capabilities, who knows.
Agree but it’s all about generational indoctrination. A few generations later no guns are the norm.
Except every so often you tend to get a rebellious generation and then all the carefully planned doctrines go in the toilet in just a few years :).
The only way American gun-owners could be disarmed would be house to house searches and confiscation which would lead to armed insurrection and probably a military coup d’etat overthrowing the government.
“Ultimately, in his view, the responsibility for holding our elected officials accountable for their RKBA infringing tendencies, something that seems to work better in some locales than others.” – Seems to be missing a clause…..
But the very short answer to the question of the headline is yes, America can be disarmed. It may be a long way off but it is entirely possible. Especially since the opponents to the Constitution are patient and willing to indoctrinate future generations. Eventually there won’t be anyone left that believes in our founding principles. Eventually. For now? Cold dead hands.
I would die for this cause. I know those are big words, but there is nothing I believe in and stand for more than our natural rights.
That is, only if it came to that.
But to answer the prompt in short terms: no. I’m not the only one. That is why.
Ridiculous. Our government already has disarmed us, except for the guns they graciously (read: grudgingly) allow us to have. The passage and enforcement of every gun law (i.e. their refusal to acknowledge the Constitution) already constitutes abandoning the republican principles on which the nation was founded. The fact that anyone in America obeys any gun law is pretty solid evidence that enough of us will obey any gun law that the government passes.
P.S. This is why I can’t stand the term “law-abiding citizen.” POTG use it constantly to argue that they shouldn’t be disarmed, but they don’t realize that the government is counting on them to be “law-abiding” while completely ignoring the laws which constrain its powers.
Yes, but there is a line over which the government is no longer perceived as legitimate and the “disarming” that has heretofore taken place will reverse itself. Let’s say that line is martial law or federal troops called in somewhere to put down legitimate protests. Do you not think that all manner of high octane black rifles won’t start flooding into willing hands, the restrictions be damned?
Another question would be to WHO would disarm Americans…. Police/SWAT teams, Military?? UN troops?? I seriouly doubt a lot of our military guys would go along with that. If the government did try.. that it would be a very dark day in US history and a lot of Congressmen/Senators would go into hiding. There would be Milita groups everywhere, and they would label them terrorism and try to turn the people on them. I would expect a full on attack with them using the MSM as a weapon against citzens.
The amount of people that will need to be strung up in the town square is vanishingly small. I count somewhere less than 535 in Washington DC, and no more than 2000-3000 in state legislatures where there is no respect for the 2A.
You will have to have a radically brainwashed large paramilitary force in service to one party hell bent on political power to make it happen. Of course, it’s happened. But the odds are loooooooonnnnngggg here in the US.
The only road to disarming I see is voluntary, and given how Obama has become the greatest gun salesman the world have ever known, I find the voluntary route implausible for the foreseeable future.
Nope. Even if they somehow round up all the guns from honest citizens AND all the criminals, the military and National Guard will keep their guns. So will the cops and the SWAT teams. So will the the FBI, the CIA, the NSA. There will also be a system of waivers and permits and taxes and exemptions that let the banks and the billionaires and the VIPs have all the armed escorts they want.
Disarmament will always be a question of who is allowed access to firearms vs. who isn’t. And the “universal” scenario means that (1) the rich, connected, important people remain armed, while (2) ordinary folks will be criminalized if they try to operate at the same level as the elite classes.
So this is really a non-starter.
The sad thing is, I think America can be disarmed. We, as a nation, were dumb enough to elect Obama. Twice. Feinstein is serving a life sentence in the senate. Public schools throughout the nation panic at pop tarts shaped like guns, shut down if a live round is discovered, and offer an open invitation to the spree killer as a posted gun free zone. The Arms Trade Treaty has been signed, Obama has passed executive orders banning the importation of military surplus, and the United Nation stands the twisted revolver as their symbol.
Imagine amnesty creating a whole new wave of voters who will decimate rights in exchange for government handouts. The civilian disarmament crowd is merrily pushing the envelope whilst reading our emails. Electronic nannies patrol the skies, scan our computers, track your search histories, and delve into our tax deductions. Citites of idiots overwhelm informed voters. The truth is hidden, and political speeches with empty promises get cheerful reception. TTAG itself could be shut down as a “terrorist” organization. The rest of free speech would soon follow. Guns are deemed a public health threat by a government who took over healthcare.
If the disarmers are wise enough to take the slow approach, they will tax, confiscate, and regulate everything we own until their is nothing left that does not belong to the State.
Gah! That’s grim. Orwellian. Nicely stated. I’m off to hug my guns.
Marcus, by Orwellian do you mean?
“…… of draconian control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past”.
“The term is often used in reference to the NSA’s controversial surveillance programs”.
This guy is wearing rose-colored glasses. Think of instances where aspects of the Constitution are disregarded (ex $20 clause of 7th Amendment) or amendments which reverse other amendments (prohibition). History is filled with examples of civil liberties being de facto and de jure eliminated. Sadly, self-armament is no exception.
“…and the only folks left with legally owned guns will be old crones armed with grey hair and lots of stories about “the good old days”. I saw this on the Grammy award show. Willy Nelson, Kristofferson, and Haggard performed and the outlaws were obviously not relevant to today’s crowd. Sad. Made me feel old.
I agree with his argument in the near to mid future. A comprehensive move for civilian disarmament is extremely unlikely to succeed in my lifetime. Apres moi, le deluge.
Dueling is by no means lost. There is plenty of it. In the hood… and they just hold their pistols sideways now. It’s simply not as easy to see the duel.
Drive-bys at 10 mph.
“Can America be disarmed?”
Never say never. I would never have thought that the Aussies would take such measures so nearly universally, having seen Crocodile Dundee and all…
That being said, without some major incident, we appear to be gaining ground in the right direction. It’s possible even with a major incident that it will now be interpreted by the majority as being proof that more guns not less guns are the answer to the problem.
It may be an old joke. But it’s the first time I’ve heard it. It gets a chuckle from me.
True story. In WV the cheated upon husband got wind of what was happening. He pretended to go to work and after observing the interloper entering his house he snuck back. He fired 1 shot from a .38. The bullet penetrated both bodies. The wife died in the bed and the naked and mortally wounded boyfriend staggered into the street and died. What parts of their anatomy the bullet passed thru I don’t know. But an untrained and unpaid assasin got a twofer.
A right unexercised is a right lost. Carry on!
Being in the moment of violence and surviving it does tend to lend a great deal of clarity on oneself. I believe it was Shan-Yu who said:
“Live with a man 40 years. Share his house, his meals. Speak on every subject. Then tie him up, and hold him over the volcano’s edge. And on that day, you will finally meet the man.”
You forgot to mention that for which Kel-Tec is most famous, price gouging.
Yes, we can be disarmed. Any student of history can point to multiple examples.
I was in several duels in school. Fists were the chosen weapons and usually it happened behind the gym or in an adjacent park. Won some, lost some. Learned some lessons along the way.
Every member of congress knows what the Second Amendment is really all about, they know what it allows We the People to do to them should they try to disarm us. That being said they will continue to try until We the People punish them for their Treason.
Human nature. Most people will strive to obtain more power, and they won’t stop until external forces act on them.
It is no wonder that a lot of people think of us as nuts eager to pull the trigger after reading some of these comments! Seriously? People think that duels are a good idea and honorable? That is insanity.
I think this idea is espoused by people who have seen too macho many movies and not enough young men shot to death. The romanticism of duels is a fantasy. I’ve seen plenty of young men shot and think lawyers are certainly the lesser of two evils (no offense Ralph)
If you’ll actually read the comments, I believe most of them are saying they find society too rude now.
(Presumably these commenters live amongst the savages on the uncivilized east and west coast.)
If you have something to lose, you will consider your words and actions wisely. You will be a lot more polite because otherwise you might piss off the wrong person and you end up with a nasty case of the deads.
Bottom line: today there are no consequences for anything. In many EU countries you don’t even get life for murder anymore. You get a maximum of 20-25 years, no matter how many people you kill. As a result society has become more rude and crime is through the roof.
Why shouldn’t two consenting people be allowed to settle their differences without the government acting as referee, so long as no innocents are involved? After all, both parties have to agree to a duel. No one was ever subpoened to be a duelist.
If you believe this is going to happen then you better be active in the fight against the antis. Fight them tooth and nail. Donate money to gun rights organizations, TEACH A YOUNG PERSON TO SHOOT, and educate them on the Constitution, our rights and American history.
As long as we keep respect for the constitution and our national history alive in the minds and hearts of even a vociferous minority of Americans, we will never be disarmed.
If we give in to defeatism, we will be. The situation is not as bleak as you’d think.
A corrupt government can and will if the citizens let them, a hidden or buried firearm is useless.When the time comes it’s either use it or lose it.Our government is a republic not a democracy we are ruled by law [Constitution] not a majority.
In comparison, in feudal Japan in the Edo period (roughly from 1603-1868) samurai in a crowd would usually keep their swords very close to their bodies. This was done to avoid a so called “saya ate”, a touching of scabbards with another samurai. Such a touch could lead to a duel right there in the street. Samura who thought of themselves as great sword fighters would, of course, not keep their swords close to the body.
Unsurprisingly such duels were extremely rare. An apology was usually enough to solve the issue because most samurai had the sense of realizing that it wasn’t really worth getting killed over.
I can think of only one recorded incident in the 1800s that led to such a duel, and it happened because the “infringed” party was under the influence and out for a fight. It was an encounter between a ronin, a masterless samurai, and a drunk samurai with his friends. After the touch the ronin apologized promptly, but the drunk guy was out for a brawl. According to the eyewitnesses (and there were a lot of them, including other samurai, because, as I said, such a spectacle was extremely rare) the fight was swift and the drunk guy had a rather lasting case of the deads within a few seconds. The ronin then reported it to the police, as was required by the law. There were no legal repercussions for the ronin. Such affairs of honor were well within the limits of Tokugawa law.
I should note that even vendetta was legal under Tokugawa law. Even for women. It was a legal request that had to be filed, then the fight would take place, usually under observation, to make sure protocols were followed and the parties would not bring in other weapons or help.
There’s a well documented case of two peasant girls named Miyagino and Shinobu who petitioned their daimyo (aka feudal lord) to exact vendetta on a samurai named Shiga Daishichi who had killed their father Yomosaku. Now, for a samurai it was essentially legal to kill a member of a lower caste, however, the man in question had already been on the run for another misdemeanor and when his victim stumbled over him, he killed him. The request was approved and the two women met the samurai in combat in 1649. They killed him.
It doesn’t come as a surprise that Japan developed such a distinct and intricate culture of politeness that lasts even today.
Everyone should read “WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE MURDER AND SUICIDE?”, if you haven’t already.
Find it here: http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
If you are too lazy to read it, here is one good take away from the study: Russia’s murder rate is 4 times that of the US, yet civilian handguns are banned there.
They can have them when I run out of ammo.
Really? This is where we are now? We’re making sex jokes on a website that is supposed to convince others that guns are not evil?
Well, now that Fogg has already been beaten near death, MAYBE he will qualify for a CCP in the “may issue” nanny state of Maryland. But probably not. And even if Fogg managed to “win the lottery” and get a Maryland CCP, it has to be re-justified at least every 5 years. Not “renewed”, it has to be rejustified and then approved.
every fantasy judicial ruling by the Federal courts is one small step closer to disarmament.
Wow, it’s a good thing Maryland has strict gun control. It really helped to prevent the mall shooting and the brick attack on a journalist.
I think despite our governments current status, we wont see disarmament in our life time. For every one person that will back away from thier oath to support and defend the constitution, there are many more who will stand by that oath
It’s easy to self-reflect when you’re in an NPR studio behind a couple of locked doors with an armed security guard in the building.
Is no one purchasing the poly or composite 80% lowers, albeit some strength issue rumors around the rear of them.
Must you have a billet machined number?
Ahhh Yaaa, good luck with that.
Awesome! Not just for EMP but using those pads a lot were them down and make your numbers obvious. However of you could use the dial most of the time and the key pad only in emergencies you have the best of both.
That really sucks. As I understand it, people who gave these startups money did not technically buy the 80% lowers, but rather made an investment with the expected return on investment being a lower. So if the company does not produce the goods, people who “invested” could be SOL. It’s a shame because the concept of unfinished lowers is great and the more businesses churning them out the better.
FWIW, I posted this comment on the MDA photo (Tuesday afternoon):
Kudos to the store manager for taking responsibility for her own self-defense. Hopefully she won’t have to use her firearm, but it’s sensible for her to have it with her in the unfortunate event that she needs it.
Like Matt, I don’t agree with your stance on these issues, but I do admire the passion that many of you have.
The comment from Matt is still there (after 23 minutes). The “larry curly and moe” tags are also still there.
It’s sad that they seem to stifle virtually all comments that go against their message.
Edited: welp … my comment is gone (after about 10 minutes or so). Matt’s is still there, FWIW.
ALL MUST FOLLOW THE GROUPTHINK!
The lastest word in the Austin newspaper is that the Temporary Restraining Order has been upheld, and the range will need to remain shut down until a hearing/trial in October – so, about 9 months. Bummer! No link as the Statesman is behind a paywall these days.
It depends on what is meant by ‘disarming’ America. If you mean complete lack of public gun ownership, I don’t think so. As many have pointed out, look at the UK and Australia…gun bans galore but still plenty of guns in circulation.
If, on the other hand, ‘disarming America’ means the end of legal gun ownership, rest assured that there are plenty of statist politicians who have that ultimate goal and will continue to work toward achieving it well into the future.
Consider history…we have the NFA, GCA, FOPA, AWB, a bunch of executive orders, and too many state houses enacting legislation that violates ‘shall not be infringed.’ None of these government acts do anything to buttress the second amendment. Look at what they are doing every day. The media keeps reporting gun violence as if it’s a new epidemic, despite every credible study showing that gun crime is down by nearly 50% over the last 20 years. Keep beating the anti-gun drum long enough and you might get enough people to believe what they say. Remember, to many Americans, the issue of gun control is a non-issue. They simply don’t really care and are easily swayed by fork-tongued politicians and network talking heads. Their influence even extends to those of us who are gun owners. How many pro-2A people have you heard continue to use the term ‘assault weapon’ when referring to a semi-automatic rifle? How many times have you heard pro-2A people use the term ‘high-capacity magazine’ when referring to the normal block 19 mag? How many times have you heard supporters of the US Constitution refer to the 2A as ‘granting the right to keep and bear arms’ when we should be stating that it simply reaffirms a natural right?
This issue truly is the frog in the pot. For the past 80+ years, we’ve seen slow but steady infringement on the 2A. Sometimes we are able to push back, but it seems we are more often giving ground.
The anti-2A crowd will continue to use terms like ‘assault weapons,’ ‘weapons of war,’ automatic weapons, high-capacity magazines, legitimate gun owners, legitimate hunters, epidemic of gun violence, NRA extremist…you get the picture. What happens when the next Newtown occurs? Will it be enough to sway opinion? Maybe, maybe not. But rest assured, they will do their best to exploit the next tragedy. They will start with a new AWB. Then on to magazine size. Then maybe caliber or ammunition. Then any semi-automatic weapon, etc.
So…do I think America will be disarmed? As long as there are enough students of history, supporters of the Constitution, and those willing to stand up, it’s unlikely. But we relax our vigilance and give them an opening (i.e. ‘compromise’ or ‘common sense’ laws), we risk losing everything on the slippery slope…
Calls for disarmament in one.. two. three. Randy
I don’t think the Liberal Socialists have the stomach for mandatory seizure of guns from private ownership. I do, however, suspect this anti-gun wussification of our school children might have the eventual aim of getting them, as adults, to voluntarily surrender “the old man’s guns”. This probably won’t happen for ten to fifteen years, and will happen largely in the so-called “Blue States”. “Red States” would have to figure out what to do at the time, but it probably won’t be a mandate, jsu an “Uncle Sugar” if you want to be a good citizen Government Program.
Whatever we do in the 2014 and 2016 National Elections will. I believe, determine the course of the country. Leave the Commies in charge of the Senate and let them gain a Majority in the House and you might as well melt your guns down and sell them for scrap. Give the Republicans, Libertarians and Tea Party control of Congress in 2014 and elect a Libertarian or Conservative Republican President in 2016 and we might be able to save The Republic and restore it to rightful order.
Insofar as the comment objecting to the term “law-abiding citizen”…I get your point, but when I use it, I do so in preference to something like “non-criminal citizen”…I am not committing crimes and obey gun laws as grudgingly as I pay my Taxes. Give me a better catch phrase and I will consider using it.
The digital read out version would be cool on a rifle. But not a handgun. Cool, but completely unnecessary. I put a new mag in when my gun goes click. This is just a distraction.
I like Glocks because they’re simple, why would I want to ruin that? But hey, everybody wants a slice of mall ninja pie. They, sitting on their tactical black couch with high speed, low drag internet, operating in radio silence (mostly ’cause no one wants to talk to them).
My S&G lock on my 20 year old Liberty GS is already EMP proof. As is the electronic keypad lock on my Stack on Day Safe (tubular key lock underneath). Nothing new under the sun here. Just pure marketing.
A one sided discussion is a lecture. My mom already does that job, and does it well. And she is also a law abiding gin owner! You can’t call it a conversation when you resort to distorting facts and name calling.
Very poor review. Hi-points are very good guns and made in the USA. If you want to be a gun ‘writer, you better find a line of work that better fits your pistol.
I asked a simple question on the Facebook pages for their National, Tennessee and South Carolina chapters.
1. Why does MDA delete any opposing discussion and pan the poster? (Nat., TN and SC)
2. Does MDA – SC really believe that posting signs in SC restaurants to deter law abiding CWP holders will deter the criminal element? (MDA – SC)
Deleted and banned. All three pages. Its easy to present a fallacy as truth when you don’t allow discussion.
I smell Black Rhinos again!!!
Two thoughts for MDA and their supporters …
#1:
There are many, many millions of gun owners in this country. The overwhelming majority of them are law-abiding citizens, and many of them would step in to defend strangers with their firearm if a crime was taking place and the strangers were being attacked.
But instead of seeing the vast majority of this group as law-abiding folks, you demonize gun owners by equating all of us with the tiny percentage of gun owners that are criminals. Why?
It doesn’t make sense to demonize all vehicle drivers because a small percentage of them drive drunk. It doesn’t make sense to demonize all teachers, or firefighters, or doctors, or any group of persons because of the bad actions of a small minority of that group.
So why do you do this with gun owners? Many of these people would SAVE YOUR LIFE if given the opportunity. It makes no sense.
#2:
Given that MDA members have attempted to persuade businesses to prohibit guns on their premises, it seems safe to suggest that you don’t approve of people carrying guns outside of their homes.
Given that men are generally bigger and stronger than women, it stands to reason if you prohibit women from carrying a tool (a firearm) that will help equalize the disparity of force between men and women, it will make it easier for a bad man to overpower a woman.
So given all of the above, it seems logical to conclude that based on your position, you favor the evil man over the ordinary woman.
So why do you support rape?
I see a different way to keep America from being disarmed. The main reason politicians want our guns, is because there is way too much crime. When people see their children gunned down with an AR-15, they don’t look at who’s doing it, they look at WHAT’S doing it, which is the gun. Irresponsible, but still a fact!
Until we get really tough on crime, nothing much is going to change the way the lawmakers think.
There isn’t room for me to list all the ways to get tough on crime. Instead, I’ll just start with saying criminals that comment serious crime should be put away for life! No more repeat offenders. One more thing, A person committing rape in a violent situation, such as a home invasion, should have his “Johnson” removed, preferably with a dull knife used by the victim!
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And here we go again … another open carry post
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
These guys are our local transit police. One of the most important questions, namely “WTF were these guys doing anywhere near a dynamic entry on an apartment probation search” is getting totally ignored.
BART police are real, sworn LE — but their beat is the trains, stations, and yards of the BART system. My city’s PD has made it pretty clear that BART PD is to call them for anything that goes outside the station property lines, so this is very strange.
I wonder how much longer law-abiding citizens ar going to permit tyranny before there is another civil war – this time to oust the diseased government and their lap dogs?
I think what will really happen is people will cry and moan, but in the end they will comply and do as they are told.
Because the truth is that full all the bluster people put forth on pages like this or on other mediums, the truth is they do so from a veiled comfort behind the internet and don’t have to invest anything more than text on a page. The odd one may break through and take up a pitchfork, but they are always beaten down and villified, and we always wonder if they were crazy or sane.
Because even though they may not be cowards, no one wants to be the one who “goes first” and challenges the tyranny. They would rather wait for a solution to happen rather than make one happen, because afterall – we’re civilized.
And while we, the civilized sit idle, those who are determined to enslave us, to control us, count upon our inaction so they can shroud us within their webs of fear and control and imprison us by our inaction before we protect ourselves, our children, and generations to come.
The same thing happened in other countries. Good people, who would rather be free than live under tyranny, waited. Now they bow to leaders like Jong-Un and Ahmadinejad.
They bowed before others. They are bowing before President Obama.
Damn these Texas mosquitos!
This posting actually makes an effective case for gun confiscation. But I digress.
If laws, regulations and ordinances to make acquiring a gun are completely ineffective, then “where’s the beef ?” If strict purchase and ownership laws do nothing to improve public, who cares of such laws are implemented? Who is harmed? If laws banning gun possession will do nothing to stop you from obtaining a gun, then what’s the point of all this belly aching?
The founders of this nation determined that people should be able to manage their own public and private affairs. The constitution was designed to allow people to decide for themselves how their communities should organize and function.
Parting thought…last week we had a storm over the accusation that gun owners were all potential instant “bad guys”. That assertion was derided as preposterous. The author of this blog post admitted that such was the case here; a “good guy with a gun”, until he wasn’t. That describes everyone of you.