In the editorial below, NRA instructor and member of the Los Padres “Friends of the NRA”committee Doug McDougall argues that the NRA was critical to Donald Trump’s election. True?
U.S.A. –-(Ammoland.com)- Let’s face the facts. Without the NRA Hillary would be President and Schumer would be the leading the Senate. The Supreme Court would be backed with young gun grabbing justices. The record number of judges DJ Trump has had appointed would be all to the left center. Imagine the 9th Circuit Court being the norm for the country as a whole.
For the 40 million gun owners who identify as NRA members and all you who gave and supported the NRA. THANK YOU!
Without you (the extended family of gun owners and NRA supporters) Hillary would be in the White House today.
Let that sink in for a few seconds . . .
All you who ranted and raved that the NRA is the devil, that any compromise equates to surrender need to stop drinking the kool-aid. No one else has the political sway to do what the NRA can do. No one.
Do not make an enemy of the good because it lacks perfection.
So let me try to explain something to you. Remember the Assault Weapon Ban? Sure you do. If not for the NRA negotiating a sunset clause this bill would still be law today.
The same thing for insta-check, an NRA compromise that prevented a national 15-day waiting period.
It is easy to yell and scream, but Bill and Hillary Clinton had the votes to push through and pass these bills without any compromise to the NRA. These gun bans were Hillary’s baby, and she was willing to do anything to get them passed. Trade anything, swap anything, twist any arms. You have the sunsetting of the Assault Gun Ban, and no waiting periods thanks to the NRA.
Some would have had us fall on our sword. No compromise every. That path leads to the death of our rights. The NRA plays the long game.
So what did the NRA do to help President Trump? There is a reason white women voted in a majority for Trump.
Different gun rights groups do different things better. The GOA is excellent at law suits but poor at most everything else. The NRA, great at mass campaigns and talking to America’s 120+ million gun owners.
At the end of the day support the NRA or lose your right to own a gun. Everyone helps but only one group has the gravitas to change a national election. Oh, and yes, I read all your comments, which is why I am responding. Don’t bash other gun groups. We need EVERY resource we can get to win this fight. The anti-gun left is not going away, and a house divided cannot stand.
We need to educate the next generation and recruit outside our comfort base. If not we’ll be defending our rights forever. Join me, support the FNRA, teach freedom and fight the left. Thank you for reading.
About Don McDougall:
Don McDougall is an NRA instructor and member of the Los Padres “Friends of the NRA”committee. If he’s not at the range you will find him setting the record straight with on gun issues and gun safety on AmmoLand Shooting Sports News.
No.
At the end of the day, more people disliked Hillary than Trump. It came down to who was the worst candidate, not what they said or did or thought, or what others said or did or thought about them. Just my opinion at this moment.
She had 3 million more popular votes.
I heard a while back that 40% of her votes came from just two states, NY and CA. Also heard that if you took out CA she lost the popular vote by 1.5 million votes. And everyone knows that California wants to secede.
Meh, just looked it up. California gave Hillary 8.8 million votes; New York gave her 4.5 million, for a total of 13.3 million. Not even close to 40% of her 66 million total votes. More like 20%.
Cali has more voters than people that can VOTE!
I blame the drivers license for WETBACKS! that ‘the BROWN trud’ shoved at the state!
I mean really San Diego County (138 percent)????
and those are the numbers the lib run state wants to admit??
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-california-more-voters-than-eligible-adults-claim-20170809-htmlstory.html
Hey BoBo. First, don’t be an racist asshole. Second, see the first.
And thanks to our Constitution, which was designed to prevent the voters of large states swamping the interests of the smaller states, we aren’t having to deal with a woman who has repeatedly abused her previous office for personal gain. She has committed multiple serious felonies and yet remains unindicted due to the efforts of the deep state.
Long Live the Electoral College!
“Long Live the Electoral College!”
Y’all are aware that there’s a legislative end-run around the electoral college designed to effectively repeal it, right?
It’s a compact between states that when any candidate gets 50% or more of the popular vote, the state is mandated to give all their electors to that candidate. It’s called “Fair Vote”, at fairvote.org. And the horrifying thing is: it’s already 60% of the way towards activation. 10 states and DC have already ratified it! RI, VT, MD, WA, IL, NY, NJ, DC, MA, CA, and HI. That’s 165 electoral votes where the states have forfeited their right to vote for themselves, and have instead legislatively bound themselves to cast their electoral ballots for whoever wins the popular vote. Once they get 270 electoral votes in their “compact”, then that’s it — game over, electoral college is effectively nullified, and the “popular vote” winner is guaranteed to be elected President.
Thank God for the electoral college! Saves us from being the People’s Republic of Kaliforniastan.
First off, it was actually less than 2 million. Secondly, the US does NOT operate on a popular vote system. We have the electoral college system specially to prevent from the Democrats of just using the lack of vote ID laws to get homeless people and illegals in to vote over and over again. See the multiple videos from Project Veritas of DNC operatives colluding to commit mass electoral fraud.
@jsled You’re right, and I’m wrong.
The perils of dashing off a post without thinking too much . . . smh
Hillary certainly won big in the illegal alien and jihadi votes!
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If somebody gets it, they’re OK.
If somebody’s not OK, it’s very unlikely they’ll get it.
For nearly three years I parked my motorcycle daily, thus adorned, near my then-office on Market Street in San Francisco. No vandalism involving the decal.
I posit that that is not a subtle or obscure message a anywhere except some place like SF or Portland. I suspect that every cop knows it and immediately understands that that is a likely armed driver. They may also get the idea that the driver is anti-government and maybe even anti-police. I prefer the thin blue line sticker. To most of the people that recognize it, I suspect suggests a law and order oriented driver or one that was a cop or is related to one. It also suggests that you will likely be compliant if pulled over. In my case it is accurate in that I am am extremely compliant and polite pull over and I am indeed an advocate of lawful behavior and order.
I’m gonna say FALSE.
I think the biggest reason Trump won was because Hillary was his opponent. Had the Democrats run most anyone else, especially a candidate who was a perceived moderate (if such can be found in today’s Democratic party), they would likely have won. Hillary represented that unique combination of being both personally and politically despised across a broad spectrum of voters.
On the Trump side, I *do* think there were a couple of factors that led to him winning on election night. And none of them had anything to do with the NRA.
#1 Selecting Mike Pence as his running mate. Pence’s presence on the ticket eased the fears of a lot of social conservatives reluctant to support Trump.
#2 Kelly Ann Conway getting Trump on message during the last month or so of the campaign. Love her or hate her, Conway got Trump moving in the right direction. He started making some solidly GOP speeches on taxes, the economy, and so on. I really believe that brought a fair number of unsure Republican and Republican-leaning voters back into the fold on election day.
All just IMHO, of course. Which may be worth everything you’re paying for it.
The Dems weren’t offering moderates last time around, it was Hillary or Bernie… and Bernie was a straight-up Socialist until he decided he wanted to be President.
137% of the dead vote and she still lost.
No. Not that it matters a whole lot. If Klinton had been “elected,” the revolution might be over with by this time…
All politicians intend to control everyone and everything possible. Some do it worse than others. It is tiresome to have the NRA bragging that they made the difference. Such rot.
I don’t even like to put my favorite sports team on my car out of paranoia that some asshole fan of our rivals will do something… so I certainly won’t be advertising any potential weapons inside. YMMV
NRA is truly great at raking in the bucks and paying huge salaries and benefits to the elites that have rule. NRA also supports those Chinese company’s that make the shitty bags hats and stickers to con you out of even more money. NO, NRA need change, massive change.
Oh, and don’t get me started on that Show Show booth.
~shudder~
“If Not for the NRA Hillary Clinton Would be President. True?” – Question of the Day
If Not for the NRA smoking something, they’d never be stupid enough to think that the statement “If Not for the NRA Hillary Clinton Would be President” is true.
There fixed it for ya.
The NRA is in-it-for-themselves. If there’s no problem, you won’t pay them to fix it.
If they get too far ahead (of the problem) they ‘throw a few games’ (e.g., “Let’s re-look at the [already won (AND NOT BY THE NRA)] regulations on bump-stocks”).
The NRA is like that rich kid at school who goes on how much of a bad ads he is, how there is only one him. Yet he loses damn near every fight he gets in. Instead he relies on his self made image of being a bad ass whilst never being one. This retarded “nobody else can do what the Nra does nonsense would obviously not be the case if those leaving members all joined Goa and left the Nra for scam artist leadership to keep scamming the fudds. The Nra has folded like a table, whilst trying to sabotage other 2a group’s lawsuits, only to take credit for the other group’s win. They are snake oil sales men.
Nah.. President God King Emperor Trump won because Hilary is a terrible person, corrupted and evil, nominated only though political malfeasance, coercion and bribery, and the American people saw it, also DJT is charismatic, that helps.
As to the NRA, maybe it could be a awesome organization, fighting for the preservation of liberty, but civil rights crusaders, they are not. The NRA is a bureaucratic organization that capitalizes on the fears of Americans for personal gain, typical of like governmental organizations (cough NASA cough ED cough DSCA etc.), displaying the perception of “Doing Something” all the while, accomplishing nothing, just wasting money.
–“Let’s face the facts. Without the NRA Hillary would be President and Schumer would be the leading the Senate. The Supreme Court would be backed with young gun grabbing justices. The record number of judges DJ Trump has had appointed would be all to the left center. Imagine the 9th Circuit Court being the norm for the country as a whole.”–
Let’s face the facts, if Hillary would have won, 100 million gun owners would have walked out of their houses to reconcile the miscarriage of the Republic, Civil War 2.0 would have sparked and the Nation would be divided. oohh..I can make shit up too.
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-“Just look at all the money we took from our donors and gave to POLITICIANS!!..”- as President Trump would say… “That is a terrible deal”
-“The NRA, great at mass campaigns and talking to America’s 120+ million gun owners.”
The more the NRA “talks to gun owners” the more the gun owners get pissed about being asked for more and more money.
-“At the end of the day support the NRA or lose your right to own a gun”
That is hilarious.. truly. Thank you for letting me know that the NRA is the only bulwark against the government taking my guns away. lol.
-“So what did the NRA do to help President Trump? There is a reason white women voted in a majority for Trump.”
That is just insulting to the demographic.. I don’t white knight.. I just suspect that the NRA taking a position that they directed white women to vote for trump.. is a bad position and many a women would take issue with it.. first in line would be my wife.
-“We need to educate the next generation and recruit outside our comfort base.”
Yes. but the NRA isn’t doing it, it’s other organizations at the local level giving tools to parents.. The NRA education program is just a nod.. ineffective.. more just “doing something”
“Do not make an enemy of the good because it lacks perfection.”
That’s fvking rich. Good? Perfection? They’re neutral at most generous. Decades of caving and straight up give-aways, balanced against the occasional battle, and even more occasional win.
You should put down the kool-aid Don, the NRA is hardly as virtuous as your propaganda piece would lead the uninformed to believe. Taking credit for the Trump victory? How much does the NRA pay you to type drivel such as this?
So the Mormons did it.
A circular firing squad?
I have used field notes often being involved in forestry and agriculture in my lifetime.
They were handy and came in many forms – Field Notes, Memo pads (spiral), or the little Thesis books you can still get at Walmart.
My favorite are the Write-in-Rain books we used doing forest and agricultural plots.
So i still have one (or two) if I have the space to carry it (vest or overshirt).
Handy in a lot of cases and actually works to capture information and pass it to even those who do not have a smart phone (there are many in my world).
I don’t get the histrionics over those who have field notes. If you don’t like them, don’t carry them.
They do have good utility – and I wouldn’t want to wipe my butt with my smart phone…..but I might borrow yours.
I think you’re overestimating how much commenters care about when they see field notes. I doubt anyone is losing their mind over it but many of us- including me- see it as an opportunity to laugh at it as yet another silly tacticool fashion trend and nothing more. The amount of people who photograph all these props and then actually carry and write in those cute little pads is so small that it’s not worth considering.
(people who actually have to use them regularly do the only sane thing and pick up the cheap generic ones at Wal Mart)
First bumpstock, then magazines over ten, then semi-autos. The more we talk of strings, and things that can make my semi automatic run fast the more reason the BATFE has to ban . And I’ve often wondered how guns and explosives,got throwed in with BAT
It doesn’t specify that all of those young nimrods were armed, but I’m envisioning nine youthful noobs being herded by a single mentor and I’m thinking “recipe for disaster”.
I certainly hope that wasn’t actually what happened.
????
Yesterday, Hillary spoke at some hoity toity college girl’s forum, and claimed she lost the election because of anti-female prejudice of OFWGs. Every time she blinks, she wakes up in a different world (or excuse).
I read nothing here but the title.
I 101% believe that yes.
Trump won in large part due to us the membership of the NRA.
why is his ring on there? that aint in your damn pocket and it sure as hell ain’t tactical.
Maybe it’s not a finger ring. It could be for something else.
I think that’s the NRA enjoying the smart of it’s own farts (and I say this as an NRA member).
Look, Trump won because #1 Hillary is a horrible, HORRIBLE candidate, and #2 generally speaking, Americans were sick and tired of leftist identity politics being shoved down its throat (especially in places like Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc).
Gun owners sure as hell did help Trump get elected, but this wasn’t because of the NRA. We would have done it anyways even without them.
NRA voters would have voted for Trump and against Clinton regardless of what the organization did.
So, in this election the NRA had little impact.
Jesus fuckin Christ, all of you, including the OP, let’s just all stand in a circle and shoot eachother how about. Instead of fighting and jerking eachother off we should all be getting together and working to keep congress in GOP hands. Even increase its majority, with real conservatives. It can be done. But if we sit around playing in our butts about the last election we won’t win the next one.
Swing down lower or shelf type?
Or I could buy another Scorpion, with a few hundred bucks left over to get some cool upgrades.
But is a Scorpion an MP5? AhHA! Checkmate!
Rekt.
So, what do the NRA naysayers suggest we do for an alternative? I’ve seen a lot of complaints and a few good criticisms, but nothing to hang our civil rights on. Read the comments on this thread and ask yourself who would you select to stop the leftists. What would they do to organize our defense? And as you read the comments ask yourself who is writing them. What is their vested interest in undermining the NRA?
I say modernize it with a flared magwell!
Going to be a lot (more) of roller-lock tuners out there.
Finding matched rollers that’ll provide a good gap will continue to get funner-er, unless and until someone starts increasing the sources.
Conner, with the scope sitting that high, are you getting any cheek weld at all on the stock?
Just curious.
Intrigued. But I’m not much of a grip safety fan.
Nope, Sorry guys…
You all got it wrong.
Its the 308 shell casing on the dirt at 0:10 in a handgun Holster add…
Who would ever let that slip by?
I win…
How many of you are spending these few months training? Didn’t think so. The Deep State has no intention of ‘losing’ just look at the number of unnatural deaths surrounding Pedowood , the Vegas mass shooting, Clinton Foundation, the opioid crisis, human trafficing
Rear window tint too dark.If a cop can’t see and count the number of occupants they will stop the car.and look for drugs, illegals. Why give the cops an excuse?
Sometimes these mistakes remind me of the person advertising a shotgun for sale. An interesting gun, thus described as “carried a lot, SHIT very little”. And the guns that are “complete with a muzzle BREAK”. Strange folks, those that wish to have a broken muzzle.