Reader Anthony writes:
I went on a trip to Chicago this last weekend, taking the risk of being unarmed, though as a permit holder from Minnesota I carry regularly. I was walking down the street when I passed this building project and noticed (well, it was pretty hard to miss) the panel emblazoned all over with “no guns” emblems. I guess it just wasn’t enough for the building company to put up one large sign. So if it wasn’t apparent already, I think this makes a pretty good statement about the anti-gun culture of Chicago. Also noticed little “no gun” stickers on just about every door or window in the city.
What I can’t help but notice is that the decorated fence blocks a walkway, windows/doors are boarded up. Yeah…. prime real estate indeed….
That’s a construction fence. There’s some sort of work going on there, so it probably is prime real estate (or will be). That also might explain the giant no carry sections…since there’s no clear entrance and lots of people in and out with little control at certain times of day, they may just be covering their ass.
Maybe. Would like to see more pics.
Believe him. That’s what it is.
Perhaps they are refurbishing an establishment of pharmaceutical entrepreneurship.
An amazing way to say methlab, along with calling their dealers unlicensed pharmacists.
Not surprised. Since they can’t ban concealed carry anymore, they just have it in place a “loophole” that lets businesses ban guns to discourage you from carrying. Reminds me of how after Brown V. Board a lot of schools in the south shut down or lost funding rather then accept black students.
Hey, those stickers work! There’s no violent crime up there.
The rest of Illinois should put up little “No Chicago” signs absolutely everywhere.
That’s damned brilliant.
There’s an idea… make it illegal for Chicago residents to enter your business elsewhere. After all, there’s lots of crime committed by Chicago residents. If it saves one life…
Can we do the same thing for New England? Put up “No Mass” signs? Or just close every Dunkin Donuts outside of Mass…
Hey, Why such a DD hater? The donuts are tasty and a reasonable price, the coffee is decent with free refills, free Wi-Fi and they don’t have a GFZ sign on their door. Not like Starbucks where everything is overpriced and they asked to leave our guns at home!
How rude is that?!
Although, almost no business out here has those types of signs. Another reason I love NM.
1) are the signs in compliance with state law?
2) how is McStreetlights doing?
1. The signs look to be (probably) the right size, but can’t tell if they have the statute code in the right corner. Would need a close-up.
2. McCarthy will be jettisoned as soon as Rahm deems it politically advantageous to his re-election campaign.
The suburbs are, at least around me, fairly void of DNC signs. I did find it odd that they put them next to each door on every building in the huge Elgin sports complex. Because, you know, just in case you decided to break the law and carry anywhere in the park, can you ‘pretty please’ not carry inside the bathroom?
Those graphics mean nothing – wrong size, color, image, missing the statute number, etc.
The statutes are very clear as to what the size and composition of the sign are and creating some sort of adhoc artwork that sort of looks like the statute defined sign don’t mean jack.
That might be true, but I wouldn’t be willing to risk it in Chicago. I’m pretty sure there isn’t a judge in the county who would throw out a charge because this massive wall was missing the statute code. It’s not as if you could argue that you didn’t know its meaning.
The official sign that carries the force of law is here:
Violation is a Class B Misdemeanor.
I clicked on the image and zoomed in – Close, but no Beretta. However, If I were caught carrying and arrested, I really don’t expect a Chicago judge to let me go, based on that “technicality.”
If you read the statue carefully, you will find that you don’t have yo use the exact sign provided by the ISP, just one that has the required characteristics. The gun part just has to be a handgun silhouette, not a Beretta. It could be a revolver and still be fine, as long as it’s large enough and doesn’t have unnecessary text.
The sign provided by ISP is just a convenience provided to the public.
From the statute 430 ILCS 66/. Personally, I think it’s vague enough that some court is going to have to clarify it.
“(d) Signs stating that the carrying of firearms is prohibited shall be clearly and conspicuously posted at the entrance of a building, premises, or real property specified in this Section as a prohibited area, unless the building or premises is a private residence. Signs shall be of a uniform design as established by the Department and shall be 4 inches by 6 inches in size. The Department shall adopt rules for standardized signs to be used under this subsection.”
From the Illinois State Police web site:
“Pursuant to Section 65(d) of the Firearm Concealed Carry Act, signs must be of a uniform design and the Illinois State Police is responsible for adopting rules for standardized signs. The Illinois State Police has proposed rules which require a white background; no text (except the reference to the Illinois Code 430 ILCS 66/1) or marking within the one-inch area surrounding the graphic design; a depiction of a handgun in black ink with a circle around and diagonal slash across the firearm in red ink; and that the circle be 4 inches in diameter. The sign in its entirety will measure 4 inches x 6 inches. Click on the image or use the link below to download a template of the approved sign. NOTE: When printing the sign, please ensure the black borders surrounding the “no firearms” symbol measure 4 inches from top to bottom and 6 inches from left to right.”
News Flash: Chicago Really, Really, Really Does Like Criminals (especially if the criminals are politicians)
Wait one. I thought pols had to be criminals. Ain’t it in the handbook or by laws or something?
Yes, but not all criminals are politicians.
Believe me, I appreciate the crooks that don’t become pols. A crook might steal your wallet or car. A pol can steal your hopes and dreams and pass the damage onto your great grandkids.
And yet, they keep hiring new ones every election. Rahm the crook will be elected in February and as far as I know, he has no challenger yet.
Who would want that job? If you’re not a crook it would be constant work and worry with no real reward. The paycheck alone isn’t worth it for the stress of trying to roll back 100 years of corruption.
I can see it now. A gang of hoodrats sees the sign and says “Awe man, we can’t go in there. They have a sticker”
Hoodrats? Methinks you have your lexicon confused.
It’s more amusing his way, though.
I can’t believe I am about to defend Chicago, but those little stickers are not “on about every door and window in city.” I work in the Loop every day, and I see them on about one in every ten buildings. Perhaps some neighborhoods have more stickers than others. I can’t vouch for the whole city. But downtown has surprisingly few.
I have to agree. They’re more prevalent than I’d like, but they’re not everywhere. And most small shops/mom and pops don’t have them.
You think 1 in 10 is ‘surprisingly few?’
That’s how “normalization” works. 1 in 10 is a LOT…you could come down here to the south in a state that is somewhere in the middle on gun rights (good and getting better, but still a ways to go), and you would not see signs on 1 in 100 buildings.
It’s a surprise to see a sign.
Subjugation occurs to the degree that it is accepted. It always amazes me how must rationalization people in ‘bad states’ give for the level of acquiescence allowed.
It’s surprisingly few for Chicago, the city that hates guns.
It’s far more prevalent in the West Loop/Greektown areas, Little Italy, Pilsen, as well as Lincoln Park. However, that shouldn’t be surprising as they are more affluent/yuppie areas with college campuses nearby.
Surprised this didn’t get a ‘breaking:’ tag.
Is hood rat another name for us Blacks? Just thought I’d ask, especially since someone used Brown vs The Board to justify his position.
From the Urban Dictionary:
A girl who sleeps with various men in the neighborhood. Usually noticeable via her slacking standards of personal care.
Learn something new every day.
Ah, I see they decided to give the Beretta 92 a break and make it a “no 1911’s” sign. Refreshing!
Maybe the stickers are cheaper in bulk. And when you have a bulk of them you want to put them everywhere!
The signs might be more effective in a latin language or an urban vernacular. Provide the reader is the type that follows the law, that is.
Someone is most likely giving this signage out for free.
Not that it may be the case for that company, but some info leaked regarding Chicago building code inspectors ** leaning ** on businesses which didn’t post “No Guns Allowed” stickers. Don’t have a sticker? Suddenly your building becomes unsafe to occupy, and your Chicago business license grows wings…….
“Arm twisting” is a Chicago tradition. Daley the First developed it into a fine art.
Ah, the no guns sign.
“If you passed a background check, extensive safety training, paid fees, and follow laws – you may not carry here”.
Not too many signs in chicago actually, overall. The big problem is you can’t carry on public transport. De facto citywide ban.
That sign doesn’t mean no guns.
It means no 1911’s.
Glock guys are still good to go.
I like the no Chicago residents sign. I lived in the city for 6 years never to return. I do live in Cook County,Illinois and they poison everything. My vote doesn’t count a damn bit except for local issues. And don’t think about violating any signs without a heap of trouble…
Most people down state that I have talked to would agree.
Has anyone tested the drive-through Chicago with an out of state permit? Having been pulled over?
You have to be trying to get pulled over in Chicago. If you’re on the highway on your way through the city, you’d have to actually hit a cop car.
I can believe it. I drive through Chicago multiple times a summer and sometimes notice that I’m in excess of 30 mph over the posted speed limit — but I’m traveling with (left lane) traffic.
Well, if you’re competently carrying concealed, f%^$#k ’em. They’ll never know. And if you need to defend yourself, what’s the worst that can happen? You get slapped with a fine? At least you’ll be alive to get the fine. Also, I’m pretty sure the bad guys are all abiding buy these pathetic signs, too. Chicago: The new New York.
I am sure that any criminal that sees these signs will immediately leave or stow their gun(s) somewhere safe before they enter (sarcasm)! What good do these signs really do? Doesn’t anyone realize that they do nothing but keep law abiding citizens that might actually protect them from entering? What a bad joke signs like this really are.
They all realize it and that’s the point: civilian disarmament.
Oh man, minus the circle and diagonal line, and that would be the Christmas gift wrapping paper pattern from Hell! I’m diggin’ it.
Wake up Christmas morning and see a box wrapped thusly under the tree and tagged with your name? Pure. Adrenaline.
How about little no dollars signs plastered on the windows of the stores right next to their no guns stickers. This way the criminals will think there is no money inside to steal, at least my money won’t be in there.
LOL, I seriously live a block away from this building. I took the picture and sent it to firearm-blog couple months ago and they did not post it up. (They don’t do politic stuff) Anyways, the neighborhood is called Uptown and that section (Wilson Ave) is quite violent with gang and drug group (not as bad as south-side, but still pretty bad) The Church in across the street got hit by drive by shooting couple of time.
The worse part is that I have to take a train everyday and have to walk past that place.