Kel Tec is known for making interesting looking firearms…and then only ever making approximately three a year of each one. Despite the nifty design of, say, the KSG or the Sub-2000, there’s never any on the shelves and there’s no indications that Kel Tec is ramping up production to meet demand. Nevertheless they’re soldiering on, introducing two new rifles at SHOT Show this year that seem to be in the same bullpup-esque vein as the popular RFB and TAVOR SAR rifles. All we have on them at the moment is this ad from a magazine (via PT) but rest assured we’ll get more info as soon as we land in Las Vegas. Looks like we have plenty of time though — the ad notes that the 5.56 version will be available “late 2014” with the others following eventually. “Available” being a relative term.
I think that TTAG’s current level of coverage of MDA is beneficial to the gun community. Just don’t increase it.
The M43 looks like the front end of an AK having sex with the receiver of an AR.
..But does it ‘work?’
I was gonna say the love child of an AK and Tavor, but I see where you’re coming from. Either way, it’s ugly.
I own 6 different Kel-Tec models, yet have no hope whatsoever of owning (within economic reason anyway) their latest several models. I have always wondered why they don’t license some of these out.
As someone who fights in this arena on a daily basis, allow me to offer a few thoughts.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant . And it is often done with a bit of snark and sarcasm. You see the Illinois bunch showed up and testified in committee about their support citing the number of likes they had on their Facebook page. Yes, they equated FB likes with membership numbers of the NRA and other groups.
IF you take the post-Christmas post where they were beside themselves over kids posing with guns they got for presents. It goes to our point that there is not enough gun control to make them happy. After all, they are complaining about people who most likely went to an FFL, passed a background check and then gave a firearm legally to a spouse or child.
We know they are just astro-turf supported by Bloomies’s money. They are just the latest incarnation of a failed movement. Remember the Third way, Americans for gun safety, million moms, Ceasefire NJ, States United, Gun Guys.com and many more I just can’t remember.
There are more articles posted on TTAG in a single day, then all the anti-gun blogs combined. Think about that. The Brady’s, VPC, CSGV, LCPV, New Trajectory, and Common gunsense put up less content than this one blog. Then add in NRA, the gun rights examiners, Sebastian, Sean, Sipsey Street, Thirdpower, lawyers guns and money and they can’t even compare. And we haven’t even thought about the state organizations.
Many years ago a friend explained to me two things. 1. It is hard to be against something for an indefinite period of time. They are against guns. Period. And we need to remind everyone about that no matter what BS they spew. And being against guns takes a lot of emotion, and energy. Most of it fueld by grief and those who have lost someone and use this movement as a coping mechanism.
2. is you have to ask yourself what do they do when they get together? Do they talk about the gun show they didn’t go to? The gun they didn’t buy? The hunting trip they didn’t take, the magazine they didn’t buy? The match they didn’t shoot, the gun they didn’t buy? I asked an anti-gunner one time and he said we mainly bitch about you guys.
We have a natural fraternity built in. Minus a few of the Fuds, we all have something in common. At least enough to stop by here and read, comment and share. What do they have?
On gun blogs we have open debates and un-moderated comments. We are confident enough in our positions and logic to have an open debate. They, not so much. Always hiding behind the idea that gun guys are crude and rude and caveman like.
A great many working in the grassroots and gun rights movement do son on their own dime. They don’t have the professional art guys drawing up flashy memes or posters and ad campaigns. But we can use it against them. Fore it belies their astro-turf nature.
Not everyone has a research department at their disposal. But TTAG is important in the dissemination of information that grassroots gun guys can use to inform others, corss-post and evn include in letters calls and emails to legislators dissecting the astro-turf nature of Moms (who ain’t getting any action).
As someone who lives this 365 days a year, I don’t even have time to ferret all this stuff out. And TTAG is one place I stop by a couple times a day. And it is helpful in the fight.
Keep it up. Crank it up.
Why don’t they just re-chamber the rfb. Like they were supposed to from the beginning.
One could probably still stretch the AWB as not violating one’s RKBA even in the sense of protecting against tyranny, because they could say something to the effect of, “So long as semiautomatic rifles with detachable box magazines are not outlawed, the citizens can possess the arms needed for fighting a tyrannical government.”
I think that’s nonsense, banning guns based on their cosmetics as the AWB does and clearly un-Constitutional, but I could see the SCOTUS doing something like that in an attempt to appear “reasonable,” like in how they upheld the Obamacare mandate as a tax but unconstitutional as a mandate via the Commerce Clause.
Why do many think the SCOTUS (i.e. Justice Roberts) would be afraid to completely strike down the AWB concept though? What is it afraid of? The screaming of the left-wing press?
Vaporware: SU-16E
Nothing like a sawed off (legal length) shotgun for home defense, even if it’s only a .410.
The problem with the AR, or any gun shooting a solid projectile, is the chance of the bullet penetrating your wall and maybe wounding or killing someone next door, or in your own home. It happens frequently.
Shut up and take my money!!
So, when was Little Red Ridding Hood banned?
I have an old school story book with this story in it and I read it to my kids some times…
Oh no, wait, did I break the law?!?!?
My USAF issued FNH M16A2 was more reliable and accurate than my issued Colt M4 and my civilian POF 415 beats them both by a mile…
Just saying
I’ve only read the portion of his article excerpted here, so I can’t comment on the rest or how he comes off in the rest. This idea of calling these people out for not engaging firearms owners directly in debate is not unsound.
No, I don’t expect them to do it, either. What would be nice, is if even fewer people gave Mom et.al. the time of day for more people realizing that they ate not at all serious about their supposed goals.The more people who see that Moms et.al. are one-way street bullies uninterested in anything but civialian disarmament and self-agrandizement, for refusing to engage firearms owners openly and honestly, the better.
Oh now the NYT wants people to use guns against the four legged animals but not against the two legged animals?! At this point the NYT paper is only good for burning in a fireplace or toilet paper.
I would have said something along the lines of “I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I’d rather you just said thank you and went on your way.”
“When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one. An unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle”
Edmund Burke.
Folks, let us associate.
I think that New York should try giving away free condoms to any buck who wants to . . . well, you know.
Ah, but deer don’t go to public schools.
Zing!!!
Can’t watch it or hear it because I’m on mobile, what’s the rundown?
Guy calls in reporting seeing a guy with a handgun walking down the street. Dispatcher asks if its in a holster, to which he replies yes. She said that’s called open carry, and it’s legal.The caller said, oh, that’s scary, he asked if they had to have a permit to do that, and she said that he had to have a permit to own the gun. He proceeded to say that he was wearing dark clothes and camo, and that it scared him. She asked if he was threatening anyone, and he said no, that he’s just walking by himself down the road. The caller asked why he would do that, and the dispatcher said that since the school shootings, more people are exercising their 2nd amendment rights. He started to ask about open carrying a rifle, and she said that “brandishing a rifle” and open carrying were two different things. They hang up. Dispatcher notifies an officer and sees if he wants to check it out. Officer replies and said it’s probably an open carrier, but will check him out anyway.
All while sounding like a chipmunk.
Why not just ignore the poaching?
We do need to know what the SOBs are up to but I would perfer each time you put up one of their PR blurbs you do not link to them and that you as a part of the post ( not leaving it to the comments) take apart the lies and exaggerations. I know this put more work on you and the other editors but it is important when you think of the future traffic to the post that might be driven by a search query that the falsehoods of their screed not appear to be even tangently attached to a site called the truth about guns.
We could maybe call them a “boutique gun manufacturer… still, those are very interesting, to me.
I saw this yesterday. This is a measure of how far the Rule of Law has broken down in this country.
The trooper wasn’t fired; that’s all you need to know.
The guy might as well have been arrested because his glove compartment “may have contained” a micro-nuke.
YES, micro-nukes do exist, and have been used in this country. Doubts? Get over it.
“Shooting them is naturally unnerving to people who hate that the American way of solving problems so often involves guns”
…guns? No, the solution is killing. As usual they’re confusing the practice with the tool.
I much prefer the RDB. The M43 looks like they were trying to make it look Russian just for the sake of looks. The super tall sights are weird looking. I am not really sure why they felt the need to make two really similar rifles that look subtly different. It seems like they could have made one rifle that could be chambered three ways.
Congratulations … keep up the great work guys.
Just keep these stats in mind when you get hit with whiners, trolls and constant-crybaby-complainers. They are few and far between.
There are a TON more people reading the posts choosing not to comment, ever, than there are a couple dozen of us who regularly comment.
Happy New Year
So he uses the suitability for defense argument to reason that these features do make a rifle more deadly, then abandons the premise of suitability for defense and keeps the more deadly conclusion. Did I get that right?
Personally I have no issue with the cops “swinging by” to make sure there wasn’t a problem, but were I the one on the call I would have held back and observed the situation until I had some clue as to what was really going on.
I also find myself wishing we could train dispatchers to say “I understand that it makes you feel uncomfortable, but making someone feel uncomfortable is not illegal”.
Why not the Kahr CW9, which is $400?
Eric is one of the best RO’s I’ve ever had the chance to be around.
It was a year. Any news?
Kel-Tec’s website says 4th quarter 2015 now, we’ll see.