When New Jersey hair stylist Carole Brown’s [left] relationship with boyfriend Michael Eitel [right] went south, she feared for her life. For good reason. Eitel went to the salon in Somerdale where Brown worked and smashed the windows on her vehicle. Brown told Eitel to move out of her home and filed a restraining order. In mid-April, Brown applied for a handgun license to protect herself from her ex. On Wednesday, with her application still languishing at her local police station, Michael Eitel stabbed Carole Brown to death outside her home . . .
The case has triggered the gunblogosphere’s entirely justified sense of outrage. Even the mainstream Garden State media, which treats gun rights like syphilis and pro-gun advocates like lepers, have covered the story from a semi-sympathetic point-of-view. Especially as the Berlin Township police dropped the proverbial ball. nj.com:
Thirty days. Or is it two to three months?
Berlin Township police Chief Leonard Check said at his department, it’s the latter when it comes to approving firearms permits and involves multiple organizations coordinating to give the green light.
Scott Bach, the executive director of the Sussex County-headquartered Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, couldn’t stress the former time frame enough.
“Permitting authorities are notorious for violating state-mandated time frames,” said Bach, citing state criminal code that requires an application be granted within 30 days . . .
According to reports, Bowne submitted her application for a gun license on April 21 and went to see where the process stood two days before her death. Reports also indicate the police department had not yet received the results of her fingerprinting . . .
In all, the 2- to 3-month timeline may be a little shorter, but usually longer, the chief said, noting that he was not aware of any 30-day constraint for his department to sign off on an application when asked about the state statute.
Ignorance is no excuse under the law. Unless you’re the law, I suppose.
This is hardly the first time an American citizen was left defenseless by a government agency that refused to issue a piece of paper recognizing an American’s natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms (e.g., Denver shock Jock Alan Berg). Also keep in mind: Brown was not applying for a concealed carry license – which Chief Check would have no doubt denied.
The Brown case will not change New Jersey firearms law. As long as Garden State statists hold sway over the citizens they supposedly serve, residents seeking to exercise their gun rights will continue to face delay and denial. And innocent people will die as a result.
Not to worry; she was only stabbed to death. No gun violence involved. /sarc
Clearl NJ needs to ban assault knives.
Maybe call up The Queen of England and ask her if she want N.J. back.
Actually, the Dutch had New Jersey first…
On April 19, 1775, the Dutch did not have NJ nor NY. King George III had them. By that afternoon, he did not have them. The Dutch had been gone for a while.
Yep. This is acceptable as a gun was not used. Apparently, there is no such thing as knife violence – but there is such a thing as “gun violence.”
Its ok, knife violence doesn’t count until all guns are banned. Then they move onto knife control.
That’s called “England”.
Google ‘England knife crime”.
I’m not making any comments about the following, except to point out two things:
1) one counter to the proposal is that stabbing is illegal and it makes more sense to just enforce existing laws than introduce new ones. There is no reference to gun laws in the UK.
2) the link is to the BBC, not a “the gubmint is comin’ fee muh guns” blog, so it may be worth sharing with your gun control friends. Preferably if they also like to cook.
Well, yes, Katy.
Your link makes the point I was obtusely referring to for me.
Thank you! 🙂
I LOVE the comments at the end of the article…
I know this will sound callous but I generally do not care and it goes like this, if you live in any gun control rogue state, I honestly have little sympathy for you. You wanted to reap the benefits of such “safety” then you should suffer its “rewards” too. So to thise unwilling to leave New York, New Jersey, Hawaii, California, Maryland, under the current legal state of things, just know you, more than likely, you will not get your hands on a firearm, when you want to. And this fact, may or will cost you your life.
Okay, after you leave your job, friends, family, home, and everything you have ever known just so you could move to a place where “the grass is greener” then tell us what it was like. If you didn’t do any of those things then shut the hell up. You have no idea what it is you are telling us to do and as a person born, raised, and living in an anti-self preservation state I do not want to leave my family.
Last I recall, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is not geographically dependent in our fifty states. However geographically violating citizens right to lawful self protection, through federal, state, and local governments is a moral failure.
I live in MD. I didn’t discover guns until later in life, or to put it another way: I didn’t discover guns until after I had established roots in this State.
Once I did discover guns, I was unpleasantly surprised to learn about the restrictions on my rights. So, what do? Sure, I could run like a coward as you suggest. Or, I could stand and fight…because even if it were feasible for me to move to a gun friendly state, the battle for the rights we all enjoy/want have to be fought everywhere, including states like MD, and have consequences nation-wide.
It is a battle worth fighting. If Illinois can go shall-issue, anything is possible.
You are absolutely right. It is callous and also incredibly ignorant.
It is perfectly acceptable for someone to make the choice to move for the sole reason of acquiring a CCW. It is not OK for someone, who has no knowledge of the circumstances, to suggest that a person needs to move for that reason simply because you think they should.
They’re called kids. I have 2 of them, I have full custody, but she has visitation rights. I can’t take them out of state. I have two businesses, one with a partner, I could fold one and sell the other and I’m willing to do that but.. oh, yeah, kids. Here I am and here I stay for the next 4 years, unless I give her custody.
In a pigs eye.
I don’t need your sympathy or your smug ‘free state’ superiority. I have a happy assortment of firearms and a CCW to boot.
Those are the cold hard facts. It is sad that ignorance and political correctness have cost this woman to suffer such a violent death. Your point is well taken, but I think we would all be better off if New Jersey disappeared.
Well if she had a gun, it would have been used against her.
B-but if she had had a gun he would have just taken it from her and shot her with it, then blown up a school because that’s what all White men with guns do!
Because NJ! They are on my no-go-zone list. Ann Coulter got it right; “If you don’t want to be killed by ISIS, don’t go to Syria.” The obvious corollary here is; If you don’t want to die helpless in Jersey, don’t go there.
“Not to worry; she was only stabbed to death. No gun violence involved. /sarc”
I was going to say, no prob, it’s just blue staters thinning their own herd /sarc (it would be the only form of blue on blue violence I would support), but it would have been better if the arrow of aggression had flown the other way.
Makes you wonder what drove him to it, drugs/alcohol/a partner’s infidelity. Who gives a rat’s a_ _ though, he could’ve just awoke that morning with the thought in his head and gone out and done-it. THAT is the true lesson there.
Gun control never harms anyone! Until it like, actually does…. ugh.
Terrible. Just terrible.
The people who call themselves government in the state of NJ should be charged and convicted of accessory to murder. Seriously. (of course it will never happen, we all know the ruling class is above scrutiny)
I agree…the family should file a federal lawsuit if that’s possible. Sue the sht outta them….we should point out that Moms Demand Action helped kill this woman… Every time something like this happens, we should attach Shannon’s name to it….
We have allowed the politicians to lose their fear of us. We need to bring back the pitchforks.
Just so long as it’s not one of those high-capacity pitchforks with more than two tines, and provided the handle doesn’t have any rubber grip-assisting devices attached…
Regardless of the law, she should have secured a weapon to defend her life.
This, I may or may not have family in Jersey that I have said EXACTLY the same thing to
Better to be judged by twelve for the death of the ex-boyfriend than be carried by six pallbearers.
The problem with places like New Jersey is that it’s pretty difficult for anyone but criminals to get guns. Yeah, guns are pretty easily available to gang-bangers, but if you’re a law-abiding, middle-class person who doesn’t know anyone who’s into guns, where can you go to get one? Even if you’re willing to break the law, how do you find an “illegal” gun to buy?
Stinkeye, So, basically, you are forced to deal with the criminal element if you want a gun. Sad and very dangerous situation IMO.
I’m generally of the “First make sure you’re right, then go ahead(regardless of what the government says)” persuasion, but that is actually something I hadn’t considered. Going through the criminal element to obtain a weapon might have put her in even more danger. In her case, I think an extended road trip would have been in order.
Agreed. A short trip to a free state and buy for cash. Newspapers or a gunshow parking lot…
Unless she already owned a handgun, it might have taken her a while to get a permit to buy one even for home.
The issue here is her constitutional right to possess a firearm un-infringed upon, was taken away by corrupt politicians who themselves would not think of giving up their armed security. We have made a huge mistake by allowing those that govern us to not live by the same exact laws that they expect us to live under.
This is the perfect case for her family to bring forward against the state to challenge the permit-to-buy process. The victim’s RKBA was clearly violated in a situation where she clearly was aware to the risks to her person. The state intentionally deprived her of a reasonable means of self defense. Essentially, the state knowingly (or negligently) left her to die.
From the classic tort perspective, I see a duty, breach, causation (I’d argue that the nexus falls with LIRR), and harm.
I have to ask, but what about the State’s duty to do something about the blatantly illegal activities of the ex-boyfriend? It sure seems like there were enough laws being broken that legal action could have been applied. At the very least a mandatory mental examination for his insane obsession and anger management issues.
It is unfortunate that she followed a law that allowed a group of people to deny her right to defend her life. Not that I place any blame on her in the slightest.
There’s the rub, law abiding citizens are just so law abiding!
Maybe there are times it is right to wave the bloody shirt!
Shannon Watts says this is common sense gun control.
No one was shot by a gun, so in her eyes the system works.
Poor baby doesn’t want to talk about it because it hurts his feelz.
Deny the Second of someone else
Invoke the Fifth for yourself.
While having a gun on your hip.
Chief Clark, you is #&@%3D.
Clark(e) is the good guy from Milwaukee (Sheriff)
What is the anti mantra again? IF WE CAN JUST PREVENT ONE MORE DEATH IT IS WORTH IT. Backfired!
They obviously can’t run a business in the same way; profit or loss is measured by expenses removed from income, not just a sales total.
A man might choose to refrain from buying a gun because he’s not “permitted” to own one, and he may decide to up and call off a murder because he doesn’t have a gun and other methods are distasteful. However, this (extreme?) minority is very small compared to the ballpark 10,000-1,000,000 lives saved from gun ownership (USA annually).
The number range is from what I recall the high end of the number of assailants shot in the torso during a defensive shooting to the low end of the number of times a gun is actually drawn defensively. Excuse the variation, but for ~15,000 murders (or murders with guns, 75%?), even 10,000 is more than a tiny percentage of 15,000.
(I believe that below 1,000 assailants die from defensive gunshot wounds. Please correct and/or provide better data. I’m curious.)
Right on Rand. Perhaps the NRA and other pro-gun groups should grab onto this and other similar examples to show just how ironic and hypocritical the MDA’s rhetoric actually is. People that get killed with knives and other objects do not seem to count as far as far as they are concerned.
Libs won’t care because she wasn’t shot, only stabbed, so it wasn’t a “real” tragedy in their minds (but somehow, they’ll blame this on the NRA).
AND they, if he was a prohibited person, will claim that it worked because he wasn’t able to acquire a gun. Forgetting that the desire was to kill and in that he succeeded.
Working as designed.
When seconds count, the cops are minutes away,….
Another instance of ” betting your life ” on a piece of paper, and relying on the .gov of Stalag New Jersey, and a local police dept. to protect you.
Sad. Where was her family? Dad,
Choke on it Chief Check. You d-bag.
State sanctioned murder?
Well, a perfect example of why we need gun violence restraining orders. Oh, wait a minute… Seriously, any bets that some numbskull anti outfit will try to pretzel this into such a conclusion?
Eff You, NJ! I will never step foot in, or spend a dime in, your lousy stinking Police state!
You deny your citizens their natural right to defend their own lives and the lives of their family and loved ones!
You’re a bunch of freaking Commies- and this young lady’s blood is on YOUR HANDS!
PA hates your shit Nanny state! You disgrace our Founding Fathers who died at Monmouth, Valley Forge, Brandywine and all around here to give us the Freedoms which you summarily take away! Shame on you!
Girls, if he looks like a dickhead, chances are real good he’s a dickhead. Life lesson.
And willy lunchmeat, whom I call tubesteak, was just on about women getting their guns taken away and used against them. Tubesteak and the dickhead murderer, 2 douches.
He does sort of curve to the left in the photo. Here’s to hoping that he, and the fascist enablers who allowed him to walk free while disarming the young lady, get everything that’s coming to them for the remainder of their miserable lives.
Welcome to my home state! One of the birthplaces of the American War of Independence and home of some of its most important battles, reduced to absolute crap by business-as-usual Democrats and spineless, corrupt Republicans. When, not if, your state begins developing an NJ-esque political machine run, don’t walk, to the polls and shut it down before it can take hold.
I live in between the sites of Captain Huddy’s hanging and Molly Pitcher’s well. The gun laws of NJ are a disgrace to the Republic born in our Revolution.
Another needless death and laid to rest by a moral failure of government. How many more law abiding citizens murders do we need to shame a democratic republic into issuing a permission slip to lawfully protect oneself.
Why is there no organised outcry across the country from us gun rights advocates for change? Why are we not waving the bloody shirt this time? Is it wrong of me that I want to see the state of New Jersey being forced into the spotlight and held accountable in some small way for her death?
This isn’t like seeing innocent children killed by a gunman and then asking for gun control, she was begging for the right to defend her life and was basically denied it due to bureaucratic bullsh!t and red tape. Lives lost like this should be our battle cry.
I’d love to see a phone / email campaign of intensity that makes these statist goons cringe similar to the one that took place for the Open Carry guy that was illegally detained.. 100,000 angry phone calls and emails lighting up the department that held up her application. I’d love to see some roaches scurrying under the harsh light of the 2nd Amendment. I’d love a backlash campaign similar to the Harbor Freight fiasco, support like Kroger got, a militia turn out like Bundy Ranch got and the Sugar Pine Mine are getting. I’d love to see her become the rally cry for Constitutional Carry. I’d love all that.
I feel like Bluto giving the “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?” speech and I’m yelling “Who’s with me!!!” and run out the door and…
“Germans? Shhh…He’s on a roll…”
Where the F is the NRA, GOA? If MOM’s against lawful self protection can gin up the media, who Ramos up our team?
the NRA is busy taking credit for Open Carry in Texas, preventing Open Carry in California, looking the other way in the Washington and Oregon fight and calling me at all hours of the night trying to get me to renew my membership.
“Calling all hours of the night”
I never have that problem, however, the letter carriers truck on our route, breaks down frequently from an overload of NRA mail!
I’ve spoken to a customer service rep at the NRA who admitted that they’ve given up on New Jersey. They still want our money, they just won’t get involved here.
The NRA has “given up” on New Jersey?! That’s some bull**** right there. We can’t simply tolerate carved out regions of the US where you have no right to keep and bear arms. And I’m in North Carolina, so this sentiment isn’t merely a self serving one.
She died because the U.S. Constitution does not apply to legal citizens in certain states and territories. Let her death not be in vain, to others waiting due to police chiefs making laws make sure it stays in the news.
Just had my wife sit down and read this with me, stories like this have been VERY effective (something about hearing it from an outside source I suppose) at helping to foment that initial desire to carry. We have a class tomorrow getting to try out various sized pistols, should be good stuff 🙂
Definitely should have been a DGU.
“Ignorance is no excuse under the law. Unless you’re the law, I suppose.”
I had a mental image of Judge Dredd after this.
Chris Christie as POTUS? GOD help.us if it happens
The Constitution might as well be used as toilet paper since the socialist states of NJ, NY, CT& increasingly others by the moving of the residents spreading the disease of socialism, communism & the other democrats diseases they spread.
Christie as POTUS? Ha! He couldn’t get elected president of a donut chain.
Remember when we thought Barry would not get a second term? I don’t think he’ll be first on the ticket but possibly VEEP with Hillary and.with her health???
Anything is possible when people will sell their rights for a pack of Newports.
Maybe a reverse GVRO (gun violence restraining order) should be emplaced. Anyone who has a restraining order against someone should be able to get a weapon without having to wait at all
Anyone should be able to get a weapon without having to wait at all
Fixed it for you.
There are several states that waive the waiting period if you have taken out a restraining order. Not sure about concealed carry, but since most states are open carry legal, it would be a moot point. I tried to google it but all that was coming up was articles about GVRO’s.
The family of the deceased should sue the government for wrongful death.
Government writes laws that absolve them of responsibility.
How cool is that….write laws that impede lawful self defense with arms, then go silent when a citizen complying with those laws is savagely murdered.
Government only cares about you when there’s coin to be had or distributed. In the preservation of its citizens, time and again your on your own. And should you choose to illegally arm yourself, you become a felon.
Every elected official should be made to attend her funeral.
I am glad I live in a free state where I do not need permission to buy a handgun. Granted I have to wait 3 business days. But with a CCW I can walk out of the store with it after I pay for it.
The cheif is right. ther is no time restraint. Sure the law says there is, but when some one sued the police for not following the time frame NJ courts ruled that the law does not specify when the 30 days starts so it’s not illegal if it takes longer to process your permit. Basically they consider the 30 days starts once the police get everything back and all thats left is thier final signiture.
My deepest sympathy to her family. Makes me appreciate Illinois(yeah I know that’s Ironic). Yeah christie is on a shite list of Rinos I’ll never voter for…not sure the rotund one is better than the hildebeast…
She wouldn’t have been much better off in IL.
Keep in mind she was stabbed outside her home. Only way to carry outside your home in IL is to apply for and receive a CCL. The training and application cost several hundred $$ and the process takes months.
But she DOESN’T NEED A F33KING PERMIT TO BUY A GUN curtis! And neither do you or I…and no matter what I am armed all the time. So Illinois is a helluva’ lot better than joisey…I know my crazy ex-wife always had a gun in her purse-30 years ago.
Chill, dude. Fact is, in Illinois she would need to apply for a FOID card. Maybe it comes in 30 days, maybe not. Then she has to wait 3 more days to purchase a handgun. And without a CCL it’s unlikely she would carry it loaded outside her home.
If I was the family, I’d sue to have the state as an accomplice to a murder because they denied a right. Why not?
This “delay, delay, delay” crap is SOP in the Garden State. On top of that the NJSP operate the NICS system which closes at 6PM and doesn’t open on Sundays or holidays. The joke is you have to go through the entire process each time you apply for purchase permits. I’ve done it six times and they still make me file the Mental Health, Domestic Violence and two references each time. Then they take 12 weeks to process when state law says 30 days. It’s a miracle more women don’t die while waiting.
I can sympathize about the hassles of the system with you as a fellow NJ gun owner, but the NICS does not close at 6. I’ve purchased all manner of guns after work on a Friday as late as 8pm by the time my NICS came back from the state.
My sympathies. I am fortunate to have a pro-gun Police Chief in NJ. My first purchase permit took fingerprinting and about a 2 week wait. After that, no more delay. I even picked up a permit the next afternoon following a telephone request. That’s about the best you can hope for, as long as stupid laws are on the books.
It’s time NJ is forced to get rid of the unconstitutional gun laws in this state. We can begin with replacing the “may issue” CCW with a “shall issue”.
Wtf are you serious? They close at 6PM? And Mental Health and Domestic violance forms? What is that like “let us probe your medical records or no guns!” kind of thing?
Permit approval takes forever here. I’m currently waiting for mine, it’s been over 2 months. The sad thing is, there’s nothing a person can do while their application is pending. There’s nobody above the local police chief who could look into the process. State or county police can’t do anything. Filing a complaint will only make things worse. Short of appealing a denied permit application, a person can be stuck waiting for months with no recourse. My personal record is 4 months, but I’ve heard of folks who had to wait longer.
New Jersey’s motto is “Liberty and Prosperity.” My question is, for whom and who decides?
Sometimes you’re just better off breaking the law – especially when a creepy / psycho ex-boyfriend is on the loose. I fully realize the irony of that statement coming from a police officer, but it’s the truth. That’s one of the reasons why I stay somewhat anonymous – so an opportunistic lawyer can’t use my statements on social media against me in court.
I hope the family sues and wins. I despise waiting periods and the control freaks who perpetuate them, and this tragic story is more fuel for that fire.
^This. If your are in that much peril then take the chance with an “iilegal” firearm. If the circumstances were as dire as they appear the NRA, GOA, and gofundme would pay the defense.
Where were her brothers? Brother in law? Dad? Male friends? I would prefer not to get in a fight but as my old man used to say, sometimes people just need to get punched in the face.
Finally, somebody said what I was thinking. Just because the government says you can’t do something doesn’t mean you should obey them.
If she had enough fear that she was applying for permits and checking on the status of her application, alarm bells were ringing. She was too law abiding for her own good. She should have bought a gun for cash at a gun show and started carrying immediately.
I only wish that some important anti gun politician in NJ looses a love one under similar circumstances. Then maybe they will change their tune. If you think I am insensitive, so what, it’s only numbers to these bastards and they should be treated as such; same for the police. When I worked at the US Customs and Border Protection I used to get an answer from the FBI in less than 2 minutes since the process of finger printing id is all automated and has been since the early 2000’s; before that it would take a couple of hours. And checking a name against the National Crime Index is only a matter of seconds; but it takes these morons weeks to get a report on fingerprints? I looks more like bureaucratic obstruction and a case of malfeasance.
Its like that here in NY State. We HAVE to have a carry permit to even touch a handgun, the law says they have 6months to process but it usually takes 8-15months and the permit comes back with restrictions on where you can carry which defeats the purpose. I have a squeaky clean record and know my counties CLEO, town police officers and my congressmen personally but it doesn’t matter.
I live in Monroe County, NY. They don’t put restrictions on any permits. I would say most counties in Western NY give out unrestricted permits. I know they do add restrictions near Binghamton and I imagine counties closer to NYC. At least we can get permits. NJ is much worse than most of NY.
So, to get this out of the way, her name was Bowne, not Brown.
Anyway, one of the bits of additional bs that was slipped into I-594 was a doubling of the waiting period for buyers without a CPL, from five to ten days. While not nearly as bad as New Jersey, it’s still plenty long enough to get someone killed.
You have the right to Cary a fire arm with out concealed permit she should have still carried her side arm until concealed till it came in I Carey mine and I don’t yet have my conceal and Carey license but damn if I am caught in this same problem lots are haveing
In NJ you can only carry in your home.
If one gets caught packing in NJ, it will likely be 10 years in the slammer.
Unless your a criminal and have friends in the right places!
Ah, the People’s Republik of New Joisey.
Like Stalin’s Soviet Union….the state is again complicit in the murder of its subjects….er, citizens.
“Inmates,” I think you really meant.
Where is Loretta Lynch, MDA and the other domestic violence dipsticks? The need to “own” this dumbassery.
18 USC 241
“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or
If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—
They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”
The police say they have to enforce obnoxious gun-control laws because “they’re on the books”… what are the chances they’ll enforce 18 USC 241?
Bonnie Elmasri in Wisconsin is another victim of police indifference.
A right delayed is a right denied. We need to get this licensing scheme struck down in Fed court. Gov. Donut of NJ is hardly gun friendly…
The real War on Women; preventing them from protecting themselves
The ultra-libs will spin it this way — “Browne died because of white male privilege.” The run of the mill libs will just ignore her death.
Yep, this is what happens when “those people” don’t check themselves. :^)
A necessary death for certain Jerseyites to feel safe.
Now that she has a credible threat, the may-issue state of NJ will award her carry license posthumously.
This is a case where we need to wave the bloody flag. It proves what we all know: her 2A rights were violated in the worst possible way.
The time to get a firearm, ammunition, and training, etc. is long before there is a specific reason for it. Another lesson to consider.
IF it saves one life… Oh wait
A life was saved – a murderous douche bag’s life.
And of course there will no consequences for the government drones who held up her application.
If it’s a violation of law to exceed the thirty days and
Arguably death resulted from the inaction.
Why is the department not in fear of
Criminal and civil lawsuits and
A DOJ investigation into the denial of a civil right with an admitted pattern of behavior that lead to it?
Its not impossible look at this law:
“TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.”
Wouldn’t that very easily apply? Even if the state of NJ has the ability to be free of liability from a state law that won’t apply in federal court. Someone should file a civil suit in the US DIstrict Court for NJ, even if it gets denied appeal the shit out of it and generate some press.
I cannot see the Justice Department lifting a finger to pursue it, and I do not trust our courts to allow the civil cases to move forward. The Progressives will have to lose the presidency, the Justice Department will need to be disbanded, and the courts reformed before justice will be served in this matter.
As a Jersey gun owner what really pisses me off is that the local “news” outlets have totally ignored this story. NJ.com which blasts every anti-gun bill proposed & every gang shooting hasn’t addressed this atrocity. I guess they’re afraid of being inundated by the usual pro-gun response their stories generate. I’m sure as hell not holding by breath for the clowns in Trenton to react positively in this case. They’re to busy trying to “confiscate, confiscate, confiscate” as one of our legislative dimwits breathlessly proclaimed over an open mic in the Senate chamber.
NJ.com and the Star Ledger should stick to the one and only thing they know how to do: posting prom pictures on their website. Reading anything else they put up is a health hazard.
I’ve long suspected that the majority of firearms trafficked into NY & NJ actually end up in otherwise law abiding peoples hands, who, denied their rights to self protection, elect to roll the dice and take their chances.
I’d love to see some honest research done into this aspect of “illegal” gun ownership.
There is no good reason to live in NJ
“As long as Garden State statists hold sway over the citizens they supposedly serve…….”
Nope. Getting to the root cause, it’s more like:
“As long as Garden State citizens submit to servitude……….”
Elections have consequences. When conservatives refuse to show up and vote, and wards of the state eagerly show up to re-up for another term of servitude-in-exchange-for-subsistence by voting Dem, then this is what you get.
P.S. This crap doesn’t just impact NJ, either, as there’s always the random chance that some errant Pennsylvanian might find herself within the confines of the Prison……um, I mean, Garden……State, and endure its hospitality, too.
She, are rather her estate, has a case against the State of New Jersey, the governor, chief of police etc. under 42 USCA 1983 for the denial of a constitutional right under color of law. Ever since Heller and McDonald the law has been clear, and New Jersey has intentionally violated that right.
Robert T. Bean, Attorney
1) Don’t date ex-cons
2) Don’t wait until threatened by ex-con to apply for a gun license.
3) Get the hell out of New Jersey!
I feel for the victims family but why would she even have this ex con live with her given the extent of his previous charges? yes, a gun would have been nice for her but perhaps bad judgement along the way led to a terrible outcome.
Could not agree more with your assessment of government. However, until the American people decide to take back their country nothing will change. Bureaucrats seem to multiply exponentially. Thank you