Kentucky Gun Co sends TTAG guns for review, as does Taurus. One way or another, we’ll get our ambidextrious [sic] mitts on one ASAP and give your the low-down on the $662.99 pistol-caliber long gun. All I’ve got to say at this point is that is not the most beautiful rifle I’ve ever seen. No sir.
Sweet this must mean Taurus found a magazine manufacture in the states, that was one of the biggest difficulties getting their carbine stateside. Taurus has cleaned up nicely in the last 10 year’s.
Didn’t I see that carbine on a straight to video action movie starring lorenzo lamas with fake muzzle flashes when it fired?
I kid. I kid. But seriously, don’t it look starship trooperish?
Just because its ugly doesn’t mean it won’t do the job. I enjoy seeing new toys hit the market, maybe keltec will have to pump out more carbines to compete.
Kel-Tec just needs to solve their exploding S2k issue before they crank out more stuff…
Literally never heard of a sub2k “exploding” and everyone I know who has one shoots the snot out of it. Sub2k’s are awesome.
True, ugly can do the job. I’m living proof of that. But I’d like my firearms to be better looking than me.
Honestly, the Cx4 looks a whole lot more sleek and has all the same features with better magazine availability. Mine weighs in at about 6 lbs with sights and a fore grip. Looks like Taurus is, again, a day late and a dollar short.
I agree. And I got my CX4 Carbine this year for only $759. Seems like not much more to pay for a weapon with a proven track life. At around $500 true shelf price I’d consider the Taurus. Beyond that there are just too many other preferable options.
My first thought was that this is a Cx4 clone. It is cheaper but I would pay more for Beretta quality.
Sadly, it’s not all that much cheaper.
As I posted in the forum days ago, make that goofy stock a standard pistol grip and 6 position, and ship with 30+ round mags and I would be a buyer.
Not gonna happen. Not made in the USA and they didn’t bother to make it 922(r). So you are stuck with a discount USC in 9mm with mags that will be cheaper than HK ones, but impossible to find for the next year.
Looks good to me! I mean… I prefer all my guns made out of wood and steel only… but i’ll be looking for this one to check out. Nice.
Finally – a match grade rifle that goes PEW PEW PEW!
Does it come with the shoulder thing that goes up?
In all seriousness, it looks like they stole a stock off the civilian version of the HK UMP and hot glued it to the ass of a… well, some sort of space-trooper AR-15.
Nice closeup of the gun(s) starting at 00:42.
Just had to get that off my chest. . .
At 3:35… Did she seriously just call that a “magazine clip”? Seriously?
Yup. she had me mesmerized right up until she grabbed her 10 round magazine clip…
That was right after she spent a few seconds pointing that firearm at the poor guy in the shipping dept… that lady is a dolt.
Taurus has missed the boat on features the typical US customer demands. I realize that its a Brazilian-made rifle and therefore is subject to 922r restrictions, but with Taurus’ manufacturing capabilities in the USA, you’d think they’d figure out a way to include more US-made parts so that it could ship with a smaller collapsible stock, 30-rnd magazine and threaded barrel. Disappointing.
Just found the Taurus SMT9 online; Google it. Clearly Taurus does make a smaller (better?) stock for this rifle. They need to manufacture one here and at the very least offer it as an after-market part. Hey – one more US-made part for compliance.
If I didnt already have a Cx4 and it didnt already take readily available and cheap large capacity magazines and it wasnt already within that same price range I might consider it.
Does the Cx4 sell well enough to warrant putting a nearly identical product on the market at a nearly identical price with less going for it?
“Am-be-dex-trus” not “Am-bah-dex-tree-us”
The word is complicated enough without adding random syllables to the end of it! Gaaa!
Nuk-u-lar, karry-oak-ee, cue-pon. Noone in this blasted land can speak worth a flip.
Hmm she said “magazine clip.”
I agree, it HAS to have a threaded barrel. What the heck. I’d rather have (and used to have) a Sub2000 though. Pistol caliber carbine that folds in half? Yes please. I don’t think I really get the point of having a pistol caliber carbine that’s as big and heavy as it would be in a full-on rifle caliber.
Beretta’s CX4 Storm (2003) and Taurus’ CT9 (2013) are both playing catch-up with the Hi Point 995 & 995TS. The only advantages I see the Taurus having over the Hi Point is the potential for hi-cap mags that aren’t jam-o-matics and the no-cost switch to lefty shooting. But are those advantages worth the $362 difference in firearm cost? Eh, we’ll see.
I was wondering the same thing. My father purchased a hi-point carbine a few years ago, and my brother-in-law and I kind of just looked at eacher and wondered why? Then we fired it and realized it was a fun range gun that has proven to be reliable. Its one draw back is that it is limited to 10-rounds. For the price it would make an excellent trunk gun; damaged in a car accident or stolen you would not be out to much money.
To make it competative the CT9 would need to have a price tag around $500, and large capacity (25+round) magazines.
i should have never sold mine….kinda miss the ugly bastard…sold it to buy an SKS
As someone who used to own a Hi-Point 995 and had to send it back three times (safety fell off, charging handle stripped out it’s threads in the zinc bolt, and finally the bolt guide rails started to peen and then crack) I can say the more expensive carbines DO offer a lot more. I had my warrantied replacement 995 sent to a store holding a used CX4 for me and traded it in for the Beretta on the spot, 5 years and thousands of round later I couldn’t be happier.
No more single-stack 15 round Promags that stuck way out of the grip and really only worked downloaded to 12 rounds, instead I could use 20 round flush-fit Mec-Gars or 32 round extended mags.
The accessory rail on the Beretta was almost three times as long and unlike the 995 I wasn’t forced to choose between having a red dot or a rear sight; both could live in co-witnessed harmony on the CX4.
The CX4 had a last-round BHO and the takedown is SO much easier- one single crosspin holds the CX4 together whereas the 995 is held together with a big leaf-spring clip and multiple hex-head bolts.
The CX4 has a very sold sonically-welded high-impact polymer stock with rail mounting points, adjustable LOP via a stock spacer system, an integrated extendable flashlight mount, a magazine well jet funnel, interchangeable magwell inserts for different types of mags, and the controls can be set up in several different ways as per user preference.
I definitely wouldn’t say that other manufacturers are playing catch-up with Hi-Point any more than a BMW X5 is trying to play catch-up with a Kia Sorento. The 995 certainly wasn’t the first 9mm carbine (it was beat to the market by the Camp Carbine and a lot of semiauto subgun clones in the 80s) and it’s certainly not the best in my experience.
HEY! I love my 2012 Kia Sorento!
Haha, okay. An _old_ Kia Sorento, from back before they actually sort of started trying. A new Kia is probably at least a Kel-Tec for whatever that’s worth
Recawl=Recoil. I like it.
Can you tell by the rocks on her fingers the gun industry is doing well? Good by me!
If it shot big bull-its, would that be total recawl…?
Well, yes. That was the idea.
I will stay with my Ruger PC40 for now if you all don’t mind…………….
If they make this in .357 Sig or 10mm and increase mag size to 20 rounds well sign me up.
I have no experience with the .357 sig but I understand that it’s equal to the .357 mag. A 30 round semi auto with that power would be a good urban gun. Might even be a good farm gun.
It already exists, is well-proven, has roughly three times the power and is inexpensive to feed.
It’s called an AK-47.
A phased plasma rifle, in the four watt range…
From the Harvard School of Business, a case study…LOL…Marlin basically OWNS the pistol carbine market for a decade with the Camp in 9mm and 45ACP. Then just as the whole tacticool thing takes off, the whole influx of newbies to shooting, they abandon the carbine. Yup, that is the way to run a business !!! Thanks guys !
About the only thing I buy new is food – for me or my metal buddies.
The last thing one needs is another gimmicky gun that looks silly just get a pistol upper for an AR if you want a pistol carbine or a sub 2000
+1 to that. If the weight is 7.2#’s why the heck wouldn’t you just do an AR format? Pistol carbine wanna-be makers just need to do one thing, make a keltec S2K that is even lighter than its 4.0#’s, with better native optics, and some rail add-on capability. It’s as simple as that and people will beat a path to your door.
wait a sec’…
hot chick with cool accent that shoots guns and you people STILL find stuff to complain about?
SNOB* “she called the magazine a ‘magazine clip’! BURN HER!!” LOLz the people who always have to correct the designation mag vs clip always strike me as anal retentive Type A’ers. It’s like, really?? In portuguese both are called ‘pente’ literal translation ‘comb’ Its like, really? does it matter that much that you have to have your Pavlov’s Dog automatic A-hole response?
Why not a 10mm? Why does every pistol caliber carbine come in rounds that can’t really take advantage of the longer barrel ? Could somebody make a M1 carbine in 10mm? Ideal weight, serious stopping power at 100-150 yards, and a classic look. I’d buy one of those!
serious question: why would a 10mm M1 make sense – is it that much diff than .30?
Good question, and the answer is it’s 99% b/c I like the look, feel, and light weight of the M1. Everything I’ve read says the .30 cal. round is equal to ,357 mag. but it doesn’t feed hollowpoints without gunsmithing. I imagine a .40 cal. bullet at ,357 velocity would be more effective. Cheaper to feed? No idea. I guess it’s just something I’d like to see(and own).
Weelll… A .39 is bigger than a .30 — but a rifle cartridge differs to a pistol cartridge.
The mouldy ouldie 30.06 kicks 10mm ’round the block, and my “block” is one mile on a side.
Yeah, you muzzle that shipping secretary you beautiful southern belle, you muzzle her reeeeal good…
I like the look of it and the idea but I will wait until they build one in the states with high cap magazines and a folding/collapsible stock…the stock on this just looks stupid.
Ontop of that given that this is not an AR with a buffer tube besides insane import restrictions there are no reason they can’t easily change it into a folding stock.
I think I’m the first to say this, but, “SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!”
And for the people with CX4s, that $100 difference is everything for people like me who it takes 2 years to buy a WASR 10/63. I like the reloading in front of the trigger anyways.
I want one in .45. The 9mm is a meh.
What if, like the cx-4, .45 only gave you 8 rounds? Makes the choice tougher, especially since 147 gr +p would be like nothing in a rifle like this.
Personally, I like the idea of a pistol carbine, but being in the Great State of Magazine Restrictions and AW bans, I have a feeling that this rifle is not saleable here under current laws, and completely banned if our senator Steinberg gets his fondest wish. (There is still a month on the legislative calendar, so this question is still up in the air.) I wish it were otherwise–I liked what I saw with the CX-4.
She’s pointing right at that poor girl at the computer.
If i’m going to buy a hideous carbine, i’ll save money and get a hi-point
I’ve been doing an internet binge on pistol caliber carbines since seeing this. This firearm could easily be very cool:
1) If someone comes out with a replacement side folding stock, or even a fixed HK style stock for this it would be really cool. It looks like ugly skeleton stock attaches via a receiver block, so this could be ripe for aftermarket parts.
2) Replaceable pistol grip options would also be cool. I can’t figure out if the receiver is compatible with AR grips, it looks like it could be.
3) 30-45 round mags would be nice
4) Availability in .40 S&W and .45 ACP would be cool.
This would be on par feature-wise with a USC converted to a UMP, which is even more prohibitively expensive now that the USC is discontinued.
Wonder if they told her to put her boob through the back of the stock…
Wayyyy too big and clunky for a pistol caliber carbine! Other non-starters: Magazine issue and lack of a true pistol-grip stock. Taurus should have built this in the US …. and trimmed it down a bit along the way. It would have been a home run. As it is…. eh.
Got a Taurus for Xmas, ( CTG2 carbine) I like it, no it is not My M1, or M1 carbine or my German rifle. But I wanted a lite fun to shoot rifle. No scope, no junk on it , just some clips and bullets. I would like more RDS in the mags, For a guy like me(ret US Army) the gun is well made and I hope it will be easy to take care of. Thanks for the listen g
Modifying the factory magazines is easy and simple. There are indentations in the sides of the factory CT9 magazines. I took a dremel and removed them in 15 mins per magazine. The 10 round mags now hold 16 and function perfectly with no problems of any kind. The indentations are lower on the CT40 magazines. My best guess would be 14 rounds in the CT40 mags after doing the same modification being the magazines from both are exactly the same size. Does 16 round 9mm magazines make it more appealing to some of you? I just finally picked up one a few days ago and now have 400 rounds through my new CT9 with the newly modified 16 round stock magazines and not a single issue of any kind. You can keep your damn Beretta! I’m good with my CT9 for $550 out the door with tax included.