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Daniel Defense is showing off (well, to those who get the super secret permission to take photos) a brand new 300 BLK rifle with a permanently attached silencer. The actual barrel is 10.3 inches long, but at that point the silencer tube starts and brings the length of the tube to the full required 16 inches. So what you’re getting is all the benefits of an SBR and a silencer with half the tax to the U.S. Government and something that is legal in those states where cans are cool but SBRs are still taboo.

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  1. I think this is going to be my first Black Rifle…. Once I have monies…

    Most ARs IMO are butt ugly… I only really like the ones with long barrels and the barrel shroud type forearm (IDK my EBR terminology, I’m more of a shotgun guy) but this one is pretty.

    An idea of price? Hopefully not more than my car….

      • Well… That’s not too terrible…. That’s like 2kish street…. Though I doubt the fudds I buy guns from will ever have them… I don’t think they have SOTs…. Might have to go to a bigger gun store.

  2. looks like Daniel defense is giving La’Rue a run for their money.
    superb rifle, would love to get my hands on one but oh wait…i live in Illinois(man tears)

  3. It might have a “short” barrel but, if it is 16″ “barrel length” then it’s not a SBR. It’s a rifle with a perminantly attached suppressor. You aren’t getting around the SBR stamp, it doesnt apply.

    • You’re getting around having to buy 2 stamps (one for SBR, the other for suppressor) by combining the suppressor and short barrel. They (and SIG) basically took what a person would ultimately do anyway and saved their buyers half the paperwork and money.

      • You are no more “getting around” a stamp as if you buy a 14.5″ barrel upper with a 1.5″ flash hider. Is barrel 16″ and OAL 26″ if yes then SBR. Unless we are gonna stop bitching about magazines vs clips, one is right the other is wrong.

        Also, if it is a .30 cal can, for an extra stamp + an adapter you could have a can that runs on multiple .30 cal and under rifles. This gun only makes sense if you live in a state that allows suppressors and not SBR’s or you are stupid cheapskate.

        • I never said it *was* an SBR, I said it saved you the step of having to get an SBR *AND* a suppressor by combining the two and making you only get one tax stamp and file one set of papers (as opposed to two).

          And yes, unless you live in Washington, I agree it makes much more sense to get a separate can. Considering that we’ve had two companies reveal this same basic setup today, though, I’m guessing there’s been enough demand to justify the R&D on this.

          Then again, it could just as easily have been one of those random “hey, wouldn’t it be cool if…” ideas.

  4. Downside : The lifetime of the silencer is probably significantly lower than the lifetime of the barrel. Does “permanently attached” mean not replaceable too? Or does it just mean “requires tools you don’t have at home”

    • Send it back to the manufacture, they can do the work to replace damaged parts, you cant. The BAFTE’s current stance is if you form 1 a suppressor you can’t legally replace baffles or other parts w/o another stamp.

  5. My question would be, IF they could pass the assault weapons ban, would this be banned? If registered as a Sbr (NFA item) from the get go does it bypass the assault weapon ban.

  6. The alternative here in Michigan is to get a rifle with full 16″ bbl, then hang a big can off the end of it. This lets you legally get a quiet rifle that’s not unwieldy. The only plusses I see in the Sig MPX’s favor is cheaper ammo, and the gun is legal to own while waiting for the stamp to clear.

    I’m so happy to see manufacturers addressing this issue, I’m sure they’ll do we’ll with them!


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