I really like the Avidity Arms PD10, reviewed HERE, but I must admit that in today’s CCW pistol market many of us have come to expect a higher round count. This is part of why Federal and Avidity Arms have just announced the PD10 chambered in 30 Super Carry, resulting in a 12-round capacity of this pistol round designed specifically for self defense. The press release follows:
Federal Ammunition Collaborates With Avidity Arms On Their New PD10 Handgun Chambered in 30 Super Carry
ANOKA, Minnesota – January 2024 – Federal Ammunition is proud to announce its collaboration with Avidity Arms on their new PD10 handgun chambered in 30 Super Carry (30SC). This new firearm will be showcased and on display at the 2024 SHOT Show (Booth No. 11838), January 23–26 at the Venetian Expo and Caesars Forum in Las Vegas, Nevada.
“The self-defense market is a driving force behind new gun ownership. When considering what the market is looking for when it comes to self-defense, our consumers have told us that concealability; comfort in carrying; ability to shoot; 9mm performance; and higher round-count capacity are what matters most,” said Nick Sachse, Federal’s Handgun Ammunition Product Director. “I’m excited about the 30SC PD10 collaboration because both products are explicitly designed for defense.”
Federal’s 30 Super Carry cartridge provides the power of the 9mm Luger with comparable felt recoil. The .312-inch diameter projectile carries the same energy as 9mm Luger at the muzzle and with much better ballistics than 380 Auto.
“It’s exciting for Avidity Arms to be working with Federal Ammunition on this project. I was never skeptical of the 30 Super Carry’s performance ever since it first came out, and it makes a lot of sense for these two products to come together,” said President of Avidity Arms Rob Pincus. “The performance and features of both the pistol and the round offers what people have been asking for, and what I think people need, in regard to armed personal defense. People who want to be prepared to defend themselves and those they care about with a handgun need to learn more about both the PD10 Pistol and 30 Super Carry Ammunition.”
Avidity Arms’ new 30 Super Carry Semi-automatic, striker-fired PD Pistol has a capacity of 12+1. It features a 4-inch barrel, has an overall length of 6.94-inches, an overall weight of 18.8-ounces and many impressive design features. It carries the tagline of ‘Designed for Defense’. Learn more at www.avidityarms.com/pd10-pistol.
With a higher capacity than the 9mm but with similar muzzle blast, recoil, and terminal performance, 30 Super Carry offers a decided advantage. Learn more at: https://www.federalpremium.com/30supercarry.html.
For more information on all products from Federal, visit www.federalpremium.com.
I haven’t ever saw the 9 mm in the wild..
So, higher round count by using smaller rounds – remarkable, stop the presses.
The .30 SC was engineered to deliver comparable energy to a 9mm. TTAG posted two articles on this one full year ago:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/federal-introduces-the-new-30-super-carry/
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/range-day-shooting-the-federal-30-super-carry/
I wasn’t commenting on power, just diameter.
Smaller, lighter recoil, higher capacity, same energy as 9mm.
Like 5.7×28 or 32 S&W +P
Lizzen up, if yer carry calber doesn’t start with a .5 then don’t carry at all. Gobless
There is no “32 S&W P.”
You’re probably thinking of .32 H&R Magnum or .327 Federal Magnum.
Even the tiny .32 ACP is more powerful than .32 S&W Long!
The .327 Magnum is similar power to .357 Magnum and more powerful than 9mm P.
A good analogy is that .30 Super Carry (.312 caliber) is to 9mm (.355 caliber) exactly what the .327 Magnum (.312 caliber) is to .357 Magnum (.357 caliber).
They are each similar energy to the larger cartridge, but in a smaller caliber so you can hold more rounds, for more total firepower. It’s a win-win situation (except on ammo price and availability, of course).
Just as the 327 Federal Magnum (.312 caliber) lets you hold more rounds in a revolver than 357 Magnum, with similar energy in each round, the .30 Super Carry (also .312 caliber) lets you hold more rounds in a pistol than 9mm, with similar energy in each round, for more total firepower. Again, a win-win situation (except for ammo price and availability), pardon my repetitiveness.
.357 Magnum is an anomaly, real pistol defense type cartridges start at .40.
7.62×25 fan here but it isn’t the killer a .357 is.
How is this better than a Shield Plus? If you’re a capacity snob, then you can get a MagGuts +3 conversion for 13+1 9mm with a smaller footprint. I might look into 30 Super Carry when it costs less than 9mm. Otherwise, it’s silly. It might have made sense in the pre-P365 era. It doesn’t make sense now.
I wish Federal would bring back their Fusion 6.8 ammo.
This has a 4″ barrel. Might be the longest tube 30SC has ever been launched out of. Also optics ready without an adapter plate, which is nice.
Pincus has a problem here because the Glock 48 stole his thunder just before he could start shipping in volume. Specs on the two are way too close for comfort. This is a way to differentiate himself.
Yes, you can run aftermarket mags in the 48 plus change the mag release to handle steel bodied mags, but the result is no longer Glock reliable.
I would cross shop this if I was in the market for a G48. The PD10 grip & ergos look better.
You can get the Shield Plus with a 4″ barrel. The shorter barrel version is available in 30SC. It’s tough to beat the Plus or the P365 for CC IMO.
With the 15rnd. psa mags you don’t have to change anything.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dagger-micro-9mm-15-round-slick-magazine.html
“How is this better than a Shield Plus?
So one can miss more, without needing a reload.
Another new cartridge that duplicates the ballistics of a cartridge that has been around since 1908. Yeah, I’m going to run out buy one of those because I want to complicate my logistics. This thing will be a footnote in shooting history. Soon.
32 h&r?
S&W is making another .32 H&R magnum. It looks really nice. It’s also available in .38 Special.
https://lipseysguns.com/smith-wesson-ultimate-carry-j-frame/
I carry a 5 shot NEF .32 H&R Mag. Nasty little round. And it’s the kind of Gun that can be used as a hammer.
I like that one, I’ll be waiting for vz to retail those grips for my model 60
sp101 6rd .327
“sp101 6rd .327”
Never fired one, like the feel of it in my hand.
Ruger also has it in their LCR line of revolvers…
Geoff can only speak to the 357 mag 3 inch sp101 but the review done for it on this site a few years back was spot on. Covers a lot of bases really well but not really exceptional unless you are into stupid levels of hand loading them…….yeah being able to regularly handle 158 grains at near proof loads of H110 is neat. If the 327 is similar in being overbuilt I could see it being fun but would look forward to a gp100 with a longer barrel first.
Attn Shot Show reporters:
How about covering the PWS UXR? It’s very interesting in 308 with the capability of adding a caliber change kit.
.308, blackout or wylde.
swaps to x39, creedmess, 8.6blk (never heard of that one), others. two and a half grand.
Nothing is interesting in 308.
Peace fam i mean no disrespect i just wanna make a new connection
Do you need a firearm to defend yourself or protect your family? I have what you need. Get all you need on this website: https://ammogunsshop.com
Offer postage service 🙌
So this is basically a big and slim single stack that tries to overcome single stack mag capacity issues by using smaller rounds, therefore more rounds in the same space.
What’s the width on this?
Just under an inch.
If felt recoil is about the same, you could train with 9MM anyway. Cost of ammo doesn’t figure into my choices in a carry gun either way. And it’s not like I don’t have 50+ chamberings in inventory already. I like the idea of .30SC myself.
Same bullet diameter as the .327 Federal/.32 H&R Magnum etc., just in a rimless semi-auto case.
BBTI has a good breakdown for barrel length for the .327 Federal not sure about this semi-auto flavor of .32
http://ballisticsbytheinch.com/327mag.html
An extra round when you only have five rounds is meaningful. When you’re adding an extra round at ten rounds, it doesn’t matter as much. When you look at the 30 SC guns, some of them also add extra height to the firearm vs the 9mm versions.
Exactly. .30SC is 14% smaller in diameter than 9×19 and cannot possibly have any more capacity advantage than this (one extra round for every 7). Any more, as you said, is due to extensions that would have the same benefit in 9×19. Its other claimed advantages don’t pass basic physics.
Exactly.
Hey Federal, start making 7.65×21 (aka; 30 Luger, aka; 7.65 Para) for the tens of thousands of firearms ALREADY in owners hands.
93gr, 1250fps is 325 ft lbs ME. The stepped case makes it feed more reliably then a straight wall case.
Given the choice between a Walther P5 7.65 Para (9 rds) and a 30 SC 11rd WHATEVER, I’ll carry the P5.
James Campbell,
But how would that help the people who virtue signal as “open minded” by unthinkingly praising anything that’s new and novel, while completely closing their minds to anything that isn’t?
I’ve given my opinion on 30SC AFTER looking into the ballistics and the size difference when compared to 30 Luger.
IMHO, the juice ISN’T worth the squeeze.
Thus, where’s the 30 Luger ammo Federal?
Right, and I agree with you.
More on that size difference, the mag base to top of sights measures 5″ on the P5.
That’s 5/8″ less then this 30 SC handgun.
I would argue it would’ve taken a major design flaw for it NOT to carry more rounds then a P5.
I like the idea of the .30SC but in reality, I’ll probably just stick with 9mm.
It works, ammo is everywhere and who knows if the .30SC will be around in 5 years. I guess to make a mouse gun like a Kel-tec p32 more potent but that gun would probably self destruct with the .30. Nice that people bring new stuff to the table though.
Kinda want to see it in a full sized pistol and a smg setup for the recoil sensitive and what can be done with load optimization. But it reminds me uncomfortably of 357 SIG.
One goldie has a trigger pin walking. It’s like searching the Glock line and saying here’s one they don’t make so we’ll make it. Did a nice job however if it does not eat what I have on hand it’s not eating.
And no one noticed Jeremy S. is back? No interest at all in this gat. Or Pincus. Ho hum🙄
30 SC still feels a lot like a solution in need of a problem.
I would buy conversion barrels for the G23 in .30 SC if anyone made them. But then I am a conversion solution and would buy conversion barrels in any caliber I don’t already have. Lone Wolf, I am talking to you 😉
conversion slut
I like this idea. I built a pistol that converts between 9mm/357 Sig/40 S&W with just barrel and mag swaps. I’d add a 30 SC barrel to the corral for a hondo, if mags were also available. But I don’t see myself buying a complete pistol just to get it.
Solution looking for a problem. Existing 9mm subcompacts are already very high capacity and plenty easy to shoot. And it’s not a small bonus that you don’t ghettoize yourself into a boutique cartridge.
So the FBI ued “Magic Beans” (advanced 9mm amm tec) to justify swapping to the 9mm as because it preformed almost or occasionally as well as 40 S&W. Using the same vague stretch of logic: the 30 Super Carry is “ALMOST” a 9mm equivalent (maybe with contact shot), pus you get a increased capacity. Next it will said the 30SC causes less wear and tear then the 9mm.
This Snake Oil sales pitch is too familiar. But the FBI lemmings might follow, they did several times before. Lol
The 30 super carry is going to fail like the 45 gap.
I think the products that could mainstream .30 SuperCarry are conversion barrels (threaded) and double-stack magazines for the Glock 43. As someone who cannot afford to lose any more hearing, I’d also wish for heavy subsonic loads and a suppressor the size of the Gemtech Aurora II or JK Armament’s JK105 CCX.
subsonic .30 Super Carry? You mean .32 ACP?
Hello to All
I’m one of the Design Engineers at Hi-Point Firearms in Mansfield Ohio. Since we introduced a 30 Super Carry Carbine at the 2023 shot show I’ve been putting in a lot of lightweight bullet
development for the 30 Super Carry round which actually goes back to April of 2022. With a 56grain truncated cone hollow point moving at 1,800 fps out of a 3.1 inch barrel of a S&W Shield Plus that’s a little over 400 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and expansion averaging .640″. Out of our 3095 carbine with it’s 16.5 inch barrel it’s moving at a frog hair over 2,400fps. It’s just physics folks. Also with this load I’m getting 13″ of gel penetration which is inside the good zone according to FBI guidelines. And the load for this bullet that I’ve developed runs between 43,000 and 46,000 psi which is 6,000 psi less than the SAAMI max.
of 52,000 psi.
I’ve now started on a second bullet design which will be approximately 70 grains in weight and get more penetration. With over 45 years of loading experience this little round has worked it’s way into my top ten favorites. With monolithic copper projectile from 50 to 70 grains in weight you can match just about any 9mm. Again just physics. With the velocity advantage it help cancel out the loss of bullet weight.
Federal has stated that practice ammo pricing will be coming down to match that of 9mm. Which should help.
Avidity Arms is introducing a new defensive pistol called the PD10 with a 4″ barrel and a 5″version to follow later in the spring.
Everyone has an opinion. Mine is that the little round is legit and from a loaders stand point it doesn’t eat much. From the door of my loading shop last year using our 3095 carbine in 30SC with both reloaded thin skinned 60 grain bullets, which were originally design for the 32acp, from speer and hornady I scored 16 ground hogs from 12 to nearly 70 yards.
My EDC is a Shield Plus with my 56 grain monolithic hollow point. I don’t feel at any disadvantage.
Good shooting All
Steve
Where can these bullets your talking about be bought and where could I find load data? Is there anyway to get Hi-Pointe to make larger capacity mags for the 3095? I own one and the 10 rounds is a bit of a bummer but I have always wanted a 32 semi auto and a Dryse isn’t in my budget.